--- Log opened Mon Nov 23 00:00:04 2015
00:21 < aestetix_> uh
00:21 < aestetix_> RangerZ1: that sounds like a bad thing
00:53 < RangerZ1> aestetix_: huh?
00:54 < aestetix_> RangerZ1> also... [Pfizer and Allergan Reach $150 Billion Merger Deal]
00:54 < RangerZ1> the paying of ransomware? yeah, it is, but they are being realistic
00:54 < RangerZ1> ohh
00:54 < RangerZ1> yeah, both are bad
00:57 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ1: I just scrolled up. By saying you think MS should only be responsible for AV, are you implying that they should quit doing security updates?
02:17 < RangerZ1> not what I said/meant at all
02:18 < RangerZ1> I mean that instead of integrating IM, cortana, etc, they should be focusing on AV/Firewall for their TCP/IP Stack, etc
02:20 < RangerZ1> the fact that AV exists means that there is problems with the OS (inherent and/or implementation, and with MS's permissions system, it is inherent IMHO)
02:47 < RangerZ1> doesn't matter all that much, because within 10 years, Windows will copy a lot (more) of android's security/application model, and that will help things a lot (each program in its own PID, unable to read/write to other program's disc/memory , etc.) and the inclusion of content-provider like mechanisms and 'app permissions'
02:50 < RangerZ1> but AV and Firewall will still need to exist even then
03:24 < RangerZ1> http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2015/11/22/nashville-property-values-increasing-historic-clip/76111386/
03:29 < aestetix_> I think there is a law that all german teachers must be young hot women
03:36 < RangerZ1> do german teachers make a good living wage?
03:36 < RangerZ1> treated with respect?
03:37 < RangerZ1> and get the summer off?
03:38 < RangerZ1> plus you might be forgetting to account for women just be skinnier there than US on avg, lol
03:48 < RangerZ1> I'm going to guess that they go to the doctor more regularly b/c of universal healthcare too
03:49 < RangerZ1> so healthier + lots more -> generally prettier
04:03 < aestetix_> RangerZ1: everyone here does
04:15 < aestetix_> man I would love to be a german doctor
04:15 < aestetix_> "ok we need to run some tests. please take off your pants"
05:40 < aestetix_> huh
05:40 < aestetix_> Trump is being attacked on the one thing he's damned good at: the economy
05:41 < aestetix_> I mean, he is a multimillionare who got rich off business deals. I suspect he knows how the economy works.
05:44 <@rattle> He's also filed for bankruptcy 13 times before, so his ideas about the way to create wealth are a little screwy, and typically only benifit folks like himself.
05:47 < aestetix_> rattle: I thought it was 3 times, and was for businesses, not him personally.
05:47 < aestetix_> Also, not arguing with that at all.
05:47 < aestetix_> Just saying he knows how the economy works.
06:23 < aestetix_> https://sites.google.com/site/forgottenemployee/
06:23 < aestetix_> this is pulitzer level writing
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07:21 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:22  * aestetix_ hugs Dolemite 
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07:44 < aestetix_> It seems like "devops" is less about setting up systems and more about using puppet/chef.
07:44 < aestetix_> I find this extremely disappointing.
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08:45 < Healix> I love that story aestetix, i share it with every coworker. Hilarious
08:46 <@Dolemite> That's because we've gotten to the point that if you can't fix something immediately, the protocol is often to wipe and restore from image
08:47 <@Dolemite> Especially true in clustered environments
08:47 < _NSAKEY> Dolemite: Sounds like the age-old strategy for Windows users.
08:48 <@Dolemite> except that it has become trivial for Linux systems with puppet/chef
08:48 < _NSAKEY> Except that's generally, "Pay some guy in a funny shirt who pretends he knows what he's talking about to wipe and restore."
08:48 <@Dagmar> Hah.  Comcast "detected" unauthorized attempts to access my account
08:48 <@Dagmar> I suppose that's better than admitting outright that they had a massive breach.
08:50 < Healix> well it was mostly through phishing ...r ..right guys?
08:50 < Healix> do what you do best comcast, blame the consumer's
08:50 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Don't rule out the possibilityy that you pissed off some teenager who tried to get your personal info by tricking your ISP.
08:51 < _NSAKEY> *possibility
08:51 <@Dagmar> No, I mean they had a breach, and I've _yet_ to see a major media splash about it
08:51 <@Dagmar> Probably because Comcast was willing to _lie_ about it
08:52 <@Evilpig> or because comcast is the media and wont' out themselves
08:57 <@Evilpig> mike tyson mysteries might be one of the best shows on the air right now
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09:30 < aestetix_> one annoying thing about vim
09:30 < aestetix_> now that I've mastered the hjkl, I try to use those keys on everything
09:31 <@benthemeek> vim is never annoying, their are only annoying users
09:31 <@benthemeek> :P
09:31 <@oddball> Evilpig: Mike Tyson Mysteries?  Mike Tyson hunts down killers and punches them in the face?
09:31 <@Dolemite> It's an animated show
09:31 <@benthemeek> I actually liberally sprinke :w :q through out my scripts alot just for fun!
09:32 < aestetix_> lol
09:32 < aestetix_> benthemeek: thank god for vimperator
09:32 <@benthemeek> A lot of super users use caps lock instead of escape. do you?
09:32 < aestetix_> It makes it way easier for me to user firefox
09:32 < aestetix_> benthemeek: I've debated that, but I have the escape key pretty engrained
09:33 <@benthemeek> aestetix_:I try to use ctrl- [ but it requres more cordination
09:33 <@oddball> aestetix_: vim should understand the arrow keys.
09:33 < aestetix_> oddball: it does.
09:33 < aestetix_> the problem is, I kept fat fingering the arrow keys. the hjkl is way easier to control
09:33 <@benthemeek> oddball: but then you are moving your hands and defeating the purpose
09:33 < aestetix_> that too
09:34 <@oddball> I just have the issue that I can never remember whether j is up or k is.
09:34 < aestetix_> oddball: vim-adventures.com helped me fix that
09:34 <@benthemeek> I watched "Revolutionary OS" not long ago and almost I was pursuaded to try emacs just for Stallman's sake
09:35 <@benthemeek> But vim just has become ingrained with how I am thinking to the point I install it on any windows box i am editing on now
09:35 < aestetix_> benthemeek: I can't even use windows anymore
09:35 <@oddball> heh
09:35 < aestetix_> I can't use emacs either, for that matter....
09:36 <@oddball> I tend to get annoyed when I run accross a machine that actually has old school vi on it.  My first thought tends to be "why would you even?"
09:36 < RangerZ1> aestetix_: trump is actually worse off for having touched his money
09:36 < RangerZ1> he would have made more money with a mutual fund
09:36 < aestetix_> oddball: as opposed to vim?
09:37 <@oddball> right
09:37 < RangerZ1> he inherited millions back in... (late 60s or early 70s)
09:37 < aestetix_> RangerZ1: I didn't say he is totally self made
09:37 <@benthemeek> aestetix: I resent more and more when I am forced to use Linux, but to stay employable and to keep skills sharp I think it is probaly a necessary thing
09:37 < RangerZ1> but he only did "as good as, or worse than 'average' "
09:37 < aestetix_> forced to use linux?
09:37 <@benthemeek> sorry windows
09:38 < aestetix_> lol
09:38 <@benthemeek> I run linux as my desktop
09:38 <@benthemeek> desktops*
09:38 < aestetix_> I guess macs haven't made an impact in Nashville?
09:38 <@benthemeek> One of these days I will get around to playing computer games again and boot my windows gaming machine back up, but I am just too busy right now
09:38 <@oddball> Only in education and art.
09:38 < aestetix_> huh
09:39 < aestetix_> Every fucking bay area startup uses macbooks
09:39 <@benthemeek> well I am surprised at how many macs I see at phreaknic and skydogcon
09:39 <@oddball> Remember that bit where I kept telling you that the bay area is its own little world? :p
09:39 < aestetix_> lol
09:39 <@benthemeek> It makes me think that if I could get one second hand I might actually like it, but I cant justify dropping the money on one of them
09:40 < aestetix_> benthemeek: it's not worth it IMHO.
09:40 < aestetix_> It's great hardware, but you can only install what Apple lets you.
09:40 <@oddball> Well, you can always install Windows or linux on them, but....
09:40 <@benthemeek> I cringe using windows CLI though
09:40 < aestetix_> Does that powershell even remotely touch bash?
09:40 <@benthemeek> I just lost the idea of having a *nix shell
09:40 <@benthemeek> love*
09:41 <@benthemeek> powershell is weird...
09:41 < RangerZ1> benthemeek: 10's is suppose to be better , but haven't played with it yet
09:41 < aestetix_> benthemeek: cygwin then?
09:41 <@benthemeek> I am trying to learn more about it but everything is an object and its big and complicated
09:42 <@benthemeek> its based off of .NET or something. So I havent really wrapped my head around powershell. Mirage said he played with it some
09:42 <@oddball> benthemeek: You can see if you can get a good deal on an older mac mini.  I was happy to see that Apple decided to put out a machine that didn't cost $1k+, but then they decided "fuck it, we won't update the hardware for 3-4 years."
09:43 <@benthemeek> Yeah, my problem is I havent bought a new computer other than a chromebook for my daughter in about 8 years
09:43 <@oddball> I have one of the original MacMinis running on my desk so I have a clue when it comes to supporting osX.
09:43 <@benthemeek> I just take hand me downs and make do pretty much
09:43 < _NSAKEY> oddball: Are you encountering regular vi on newer stuff, or just old boxes?
09:43 <@oddball> Yeah... you just buy 20 $100 laptops at a time. :p
09:44 <@benthemeek> still plenty of good life on 3 and 4 year old laptops and machines espeacilly running linux
09:44 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: There's a couple distros that default to installing regular vi, last I looked.
09:44 <@oddball> I think Fedora is one of them.
09:44 < _NSAKEY> I didn't know anyone did that.
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09:44 <@benthemeek> vi comes on all *nix. Its just not default anymore I thought
09:44 < _NSAKEY> vi is one of those things I never bothered learning, even though I should since some form of it can safely be assumed to be installed on anything.
09:45 <@benthemeek> but vim is much improved and worth instalimg imho
09:45 <@oddball> Of course, then there's Mint that doesn't install either by default, but it doesn't seem to install much of anything by default.
09:45 < _NSAKEY> I had the problem with the CTF VMs where I was installing OSes so old that getting nano via packages was actually an adventure.
09:45 < _NSAKEY> But, I had echo and sed, and that turned out to be enough.
09:45 < RangerZ1> aestetix_: that Pfizer merger... its even worse than I said originally, it's a -tax inversion- Pfizer is merging with a small Irish company so that way the corp. tax can be lower
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09:47 <@Dagmar> Time to roll out some laws increasing tax rates for corporations who are headquartered outside the US but do business here.
09:47 < aestetix_> benthemeek: I hope it is default
09:47 < aestetix_> benthemeek: wait, what do you mean by default
09:47 < aestetix_> oh, I think I misread. yeah, a lot of systems have fucking nano as default now
09:48 <@Dagmar> "default" for _what_
09:48 <@Dagmar> It's not like it matters what the fuck is run when someone types "edit"
09:48 <@Dagmar> ...because only lamers try to run "edit"
09:48 <@benthemeek> _nsakey: what is the editor you use again?
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09:49 <@oddball> Dagmar: A lot of distros don't have package selection as an option during install anymore.
09:49 <@benthemeek> Its on the tip of my tounge but it is the default on almost everything now
09:49 < aestetix_> Dagmar: you mean ed?
09:49 <@oddball> OR if they do, they hide it well.
09:49 <@benthemeek> no, its sort of WYSIWYG with ctrl- keys to save and stuff
09:49 < aestetix_> benthemeek: so emacs
09:49 <@benthemeek> nano!
09:50 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Why the fuck would I mean ed?
09:50 < aestetix_> so emacs light
09:50 < aestetix_> Dagmar: because ed is the original editor
09:50 < dfused> lol
09:50 <@benthemeek> its called nano. I hate it, but I know several who use it and never bothered learning vi
09:50 <@Dagmar> aestetix_: Again, why the fuck would I mean ed?
09:51 <@Dagmar> Noob-asses wouldn't know to type `ed`, and they certainly wouldn't be likely to be able to use it
09:51 < RangerZ1> nano is the evolution of pico
09:52 <@benthemeek> I dont think it has a way to record macros and column mode so it just frustrates me to no end
09:52 < RangerZ1> and honestly, it's a lot easier to teach, which is why it is still taught in a lot of places
09:52 < aestetix_> RangerZ1: vim is quite easy to teach, if you can get past the first 10 minutes.
09:53 <@benthemeek> Its just thinking of different modes that people have trouble with at first with vi IMHO
09:53 < RangerZ1> I purposely am avoiding VIM in my git tutorials
09:53 < RangerZ1> "Ohh look, this is how you set gitbash to open notepad for you...>"
09:53 < RangerZ1> "just fucking do it"
09:53 <@oddball> Step 1 to teaching vi(m): hand your students a cheat sheet of the commands.
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09:54 <@benthemeek> Thats probaly a good thing RangerZ. Most would get frustrated with vi and not learn whatever it is you are trying to teach
09:54 < RangerZ1> exactly
09:54 < RangerZ1> esp. since most won't even be native English speakers
09:54 < aestetix_> RangerZ1: is vanderbilt flooded with asians now too?
09:54 < RangerZ1> I'm not going to make VIM instructional videos, or support it in any way
09:55 < RangerZ1> online course
09:55 <@benthemeek> maybe of the course was on it
09:55 <@benthemeek> if*
09:55 < aestetix_> (Berkely is now more than 50% asian, it's really changed the culture of the city)
09:55 <@benthemeek> but I can understand, because of the learning curve.
09:56 <@oddball> See... the general UNIX/LINUX classes I took had vi as part of the course.
09:56 < RangerZ1> hell, I'm having enough trouble making "how to use git" videos
09:56 < RangerZ1> let alone "press these 12 buttons at once to do something in VIM"
09:56 < aestetix_> RangerZ1: vim never uses 12 buttons. you're thinking of emacs
09:56 < RangerZ1> "yes, you have to use your chin and your tongue at the same time"
09:57 < RangerZ1> doug fucking uses emacs in his videos
09:57 <@oddball> I've seen a lot of "open the editor of your choice, and change line x to..."
09:57 < RangerZ1> learners are like "what is this black magic"
09:57 < RangerZ1> lol
09:58 < aestetix_> RangerZ1: just tell them they can use sublime and settle for a B
09:59 < RangerZ1> aestetix_: http://zedshaw.com/2015/09/20/facebook-identity-is-extortion-and-slander/ you'll appreciate this
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10:00 < aestetix_> RangerZ1: you should let me be a teaching assistant
10:00 < RangerZ1> I'd rather let amber, at least I know how she'll screw things up
10:00 < RangerZ1> you... no fucking clue
10:01 < RangerZ1> though it -would- involve the word 'penis' a lot
10:01 < dfused> something about random penis comments
10:01 < dfused> HAH
10:01 < aestetix_> no no no
10:01 < aestetix_> I don't say penis for academic talks
10:01 < aestetix_> that's all fuck
10:01 <@Evilpig> he'd hit on a student
10:01 <@Evilpig> offer her an A for some A
10:01 < aestetix_> RangerZ1: do you have any hot students?
10:01 <@Evilpig> I would too though
10:02 < RangerZ1> aestetix_: no comment , and I've already turned in a female student for offering that once
10:02 < aestetix_> just make her sign a consent form like in south park
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10:03 < aestetix_> RangerZ1: did she offer it several times., and you had to turn her in because it was hard to turn it down?
10:04 <@Evilpig> RangerZ1: damnit.  you didn't turn her in to me, ass
10:04 <@Evilpig> I'd have disciplined her
10:05 < RangerZ1> "your punishment shall be to ride the pig, like invader zim"
10:05 <@Dagmar> We should talk with him about proxy transactions.
10:06 < RangerZ1> funniest part was it was a girl from another univ. offering to 'pay physically'(I never got into specifics of which actions) for me to do her assignments for her
10:06 < dfused> ride the pig gir!
10:06 < aestetix_> wait RangerZ1 was she hot?
10:06 < RangerZ1> I got her to email me the assignment and then figured out which univ. she was at, and forwarded it her professor... with a note.
10:07 < RangerZ1> wasn't ugly
10:08 < RangerZ1> was about 6ft, super skinny, tattoos all up and down the arms, purple spiked hair, and claimed to be a nympho
10:08 < dfused> damn.
10:08 < RangerZ1> not that I just made -that- part up to screw with Dagmar at all or anything... nope... lol
10:11 < RangerZ1> ....and she was crazy.... b/c apparently -that- is also a pre-req for this S.O. for this channel...
10:11 < dfused> word
10:11 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: The Minuteman questline is a trap.
10:11 <@Dagmar> I'm sure of this now.
10:12 <@Dagmar> The amount of time I'm spending collecting tin cans, surgical trays, and alarm clocks so I can make a bunch of fucking turrets _everywhere_ is nuts
10:12 <@Dagmar> Otherwise, you just keep getting pounded with all these whiny little requests for help
10:13 <@Dagmar> "Help us these raiders are calling us names and taking our snacks!  We're too weak to stop them!"
10:13 < RangerZ1> also... who decided to wake up mother nature and tell her "ohh btw... winter is now, you should be cold"
10:13 <@Dagmar> "Then why the fuck did I give you people full combat armor and automatic laser rifles?"
10:14 <@Evilpig> hahaha.  I have turrets everywhere already anyway
10:14 < sandcrawler> Just wait till you get artillery though.  It kinda pays off
10:14 <@Dagmar> You have to make all the little triangles go away, all the time apparently.
10:14 <@Dagmar> I've got artillery
10:14 <@Evilpig> I laughed the first time I was in town and a raider attack hit.  I was all "WTF is that noise.  oh he died horribly"
10:14 <@Dagmar> I acutally postponed Greygarden's affinity mission until I could drop some artillery on them
10:15 <@Dagmar> _Fuck_ taking out an entire base full of super mutants
10:15 <@Dagmar> Strangely, a transmitter there will actually draw humans in
10:15 <@Evilpig> i just read about the artillery earlier.  I killed off the base full of mutants last night 
10:16 <@Evilpig> used my only two bottle cap mines taking out this one big motherfucker too
10:16 <@Evilpig> and easily 1000 rounds of minigun ammo
10:16 < RangerZ1> ohh so Steam Sale isn't going to have daily/every 8-hr sales, just one price the entire time
10:16 <@Dagmar> At some point I need to find the recipe for making cap mines
10:16 <@Dagmar> I have like 30-40 of those vault-tec lunchboxes
10:16 <@Evilpig> have you found the sniper rifle on the prydwin yet?
10:17 <@Evilpig> holy fuck that thing is bad ass
10:17 <@Dagmar> I haven't even heard of that place yet, but hopefully it can hit harder than the base modded model
10:17 <@Dagmar> I've unlocked almost all the armor and weapon mods
10:17 <@Dagmar> ...which is why I wanted the settlements churning out vegetables.
10:17 <@oddball> damn you people talking about Fallout 4.
10:17 <@Dagmar> ...so I could basically have an unlimited supply of glue.  :)
10:18 <@oddball> Naienko is still being mean and telling me I can't buy it.
10:18 < RangerZ1> oddball: have a PS4? I can let you borrow it
10:18 <@Evilpig> oddball: put your foot down.  :D
10:18 < RangerZ1> that isn't "buying"
10:18 < sandcrawler> The modded snipers are disappointing.  I've had better luck with a 5 crank musket at longer ranges
10:19 <@Dagmar> Yeah most of the time I'm using my .45 combat rifle with the dot reflex scope
10:19 <@oddball> Something about "her parents wanting to give me something they know I'd like..."
10:19 < RangerZ1> oddball: ahh
10:19 <@Dagmar> If someone's wearing so much as a plastic hardhat it's nearly impossible to get one-shot kills with a silenced sniper rifle
10:19 < dfused> kinky
10:19 < sandcrawler> Now that I've sunk way too much time into the minutemen I'm starting on the brothehood quests.  sounds like that other sniper is well worth it
10:19 < RangerZ1> oddball: good knews, -maybe- some of the bugs will be fixed by then ;)
10:20 < RangerZ1> b/c they said christmas in 3 years right?
10:20 <@oddball> pfft.  Fallout 3 still crashes on occassion.
10:20 <@Evilpig> sandcrawler: it made me happy in my pants
10:20 <@Dagmar> I did finally get around to building a special place in Sanctuary to keep all my suits of power armor
10:20 <@Dagmar> four bays.
10:20 <@Dagmar> ...so it makes complete sense that I promptly found a fifth armor frame
10:21 <@Dagmar> I'm now building a teleport device at the Drive in
10:21 <@Dagmar> Much flatness
10:21 <@Dagmar> ...also, possibly my most secure base of all of them so far
10:21 <@Evilpig> the drive in is nearly as big as sanctuary in mine
10:22 < sandcrawler> walls suck on uneven terrain...
10:22 <@Evilpig> truth
10:22 <@Dagmar> sandcrawler: Too right
10:22 <@Evilpig> try and build the big ass wooden shack. ugh
10:22 < sandcrawler> lots of individual fence posts to fill in gaps
10:22 <@Dagmar> The number of times I've had to put a wall down, see the gap, stick another wall next to it as a placeholder, then another against that one, remove the middle, reslect the first one to get it's height adjusted, etc etc
10:23 <@Dagmar> Sanctuary seems pretty much impossible to wall in
10:23 <@Dagmar> The drive-in tho... I have that giant-ass water purifier and generator in the middle, and I just said "screw it" and started building up _around_ it
10:24 <@Dagmar> Turns out the results are very _decisive_ when all your turrets are on one medium-sized structure
10:24 <@Dagmar> I _suspect_ the moment I activate the teleporter the place will be crawling with Synths so I kinda want the place to be super fucking lethal when that time comes
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10:25 <@Dagmar> I am hoping to maybe find some books that will unlock missing metal structures
10:25 <@Dagmar> Like, what the fuck do the round pieces connect to, at all?
10:25 <@Dagmar> sandcrawler: If you thought uneven ground was a problem for even a moment, you've not seen all the settlement locations yet
10:26 <@Dagmar> One of them literaally has some kind of giant monster hole right in the middle of it
10:26 < sandcrawler> I'm sure there's a few I've missed.  There are a couple I just said screw it and made lots of turrets
10:26 <@Dagmar> Yeah I'm just gonna bury this place in turrets
10:27 <@Evilpig> that's what I did to sanctuary.
10:28 <@Dagmar> frankyboy_: First you need to fix the disk.  Or obtain another disk.
10:28 <@Dagmar> Obtaining another disk will make things _far_ easier
10:28 <@Dagmar> @#$@#
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10:53 <@Dagmar> If you were wondering if there's anything more nasty than a Deathclaw... I just found one.
10:53 <@Dagmar> Yikes
10:55 <@oddball> It's mother?
10:56 <@oddball> Or there's always that giant fucking super mutant in New Vegas.
10:56 <@Dagmar> This isn't too far off from that
10:57 <@Dagmar> The damn thing is using a shopping cart as a backpack to hold _boulders_ to throw at you
10:57 <@oddball> heh
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11:00 <@Dagmar> Nick is probably the best all-around companion.
11:01 <@Dagmar> ...mainly because he will not use any custom armor, so he has the biggest carry capacity.  :)
11:04 <@Dagmar> I will also say that I don't know if it's a bug or just unexpected hilarity, but _never_ give your companion a Fat Man to carry
11:04 <@Dagmar> They occasionally switch to the weapons they're carrying, and they'll use that fucker indoors.
11:05 <@Dagmar> That thing is so _not_ an "indoors weapon"
11:06 <@oddball> ha!
11:06 <@oddball> Well, the enemy is dead now....
11:07 <@oddball> You know... I'm not sure if I've fired that thing more than once in the previous games.
11:07 <@oddball> (because, well... you gotta try it at least once)
11:54 < aestetix_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6EDykuMDLpM
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12:56 < aestetix_> omfg
12:56 < aestetix_> https://np.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/3twmfv/dell_ships_laptops_with_rogue_root_ca_exactly/
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13:19 < Healix> I saw that aestetix_ early this morning, made me mad/happy
13:20 < Healix> mad that it's even occuring, happy that i passed my dell along to a coworker and kept my thinkpad
13:20 < Healix> a thinkpad prior to whenever lenevo started putting their crap on there
13:21 < phy1729> 1) Get laptop 2) Wipe 3) Install a real OS
13:21 <@opticron> I wonder if they install that on dell developer machines that run ubuntu
13:21 < Healix> exactly what i do, the issue is with the Lenovo one (idk about the Dell) is that theyre BIOS level
13:22 < phy1729> I thought superfish was just in the MS cert store
13:22 <@Evilpig> that's what you get for thinking
13:22  * Evilpig takes a victory lap
13:22 < _NSAKEY> s/lenovo/lolnovo/g
13:26 < phy1729> so how do they muck with the BIOS?
13:27 < Healix> excerpt from article
13:27 < Healix> Apparently, Lenovo's using a Windows function called Microsoft Windows Platform Binary Table (WPBT), originally designed to help simplify the installation of proprietary drivers and anti-theft software (obviously since any smart thief would do a clean install relatively quickly after theft). Except in this case, Lenovo's using it as a method to force the laptop to phone home to Lenovo servers so adware can be
13:27 < Healix> installed.
13:28 < Healix> the old 'for security' reasons of screwing people is getting a bit old
13:30 < phy1729> oh so if I'm not installing windows I don't have to care
13:35 < Healix> Im not real sure, its a https cert, so all browsers could be the issue.
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14:33 <@Evilpig> well here's some good news.  stubhub just sold my ticket for the trailer park boys theater show in december
14:33 < _NSAKEY> Well, someone just came out and said that Dell installed the bad cert on the laptops that shipped with Ubuntu.
14:33 <@Evilpig> I only lost $6 on that after all the fees and shit
14:35 <@Evilpig> They could easily sell out tpac if they'd come to nashville
14:35 <@Evilpig> http://rickyjulianbubbles.com/
14:37 < Healix> id go see them
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14:37 < Healix> i feel like i should listen to RMS more often then i do
14:40 < phy1729> personally I redirect RMS to /dev/null
14:47 <@Evilpig> https://patron.tpac.org/events/detail/alton-brown-2016-tpac
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14:58 < Healix> i can't see tpac, and not see 2pac
14:59 < Healix> or attempt to rad it that way
14:59 < Healix> read*
15:01 < aestetix_> penis
15:04 <@Evilpig> everytime I see Hiller Plumbing I read it Hitler Plumbing
15:05 <@Evilpig> http://www.hvacweblink.com/file/pic/user/59829.jpg
15:05 <@Evilpig> all it needs is to cross the first l and paint on a little mustache
15:07 <@Evilpig> Healix: https://www.dropbox.com/s/8yeskahcrzkklb4/Screen%20Shot%202015-11-23%20at%203.06.44%20PM.png?dl=0
15:07 <@Evilpig> gonna say you caused that to happen
15:12 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: You too?
15:12 < _NSAKEY> I'm glad to know I'm not the only one who sees "Hitler Plumbing" every single time.
15:12 <@Evilpig> I didn't figure I was the only one.  heh
15:20 <@Evilpig> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1372946489/luma-dice/
15:29 <@Dagmar> They're pretty but I don't know how much I'd trust some dice with screws in the side for _easy tampering_
15:30 <@Dagmar> ...or hell, just different density batteries
15:32 <@Evilpig> for $20 for a pair to fuck with.  why not?
15:33 < phy1729> just look at how it rolled to the 5 in that gif
15:55 <@crash180> Those are pretty cool
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16:24 <@Dagmar> Oh hell
16:24 <@Dagmar> https://t.co/UrpO32ODIf
16:26 < dfused> gonna be a fun ride to see how far this goes
16:27 <@Dagmar> How did Dell fuck it up so badly people are able to sign things as Dell using that cert?
16:27 < dfused> but then theres fun shit like this: https://threatpost.com/backdoor-in-a-backdoor-identified-in-600000-arris-modems/115459/
16:28 <@Dagmar> A bakcdoor in your backdoor, no less
16:29 < dfused> not in mine per se... though I'm on likely worse hardware.
16:30 < dfused> mine leaves certain ports open regardless of what you setup in its "firewal" so that they can force updates to it.
16:36 <@Dagmar> I can't believe they shipped out the fucking private key for the CA cert
16:37 < dfused> its not surprising
16:37 <@Dagmar> Yes it is
16:38 <@Dagmar> It's literally the first thing they tell you about certs
16:38 <@Dagmar> NO ONE should be allowed access to the private half, ever
16:38 < dfused> I'm not saying its not shameful and obscene..... but its not surprising
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17:42 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: People still butcher that all the time, especially with PGP.
17:42 < _NSAKEY> It's stupid, and you're not supposed to do it, but idiots find a way to do it all the time.
17:51 < phy1729> people commit their ssh keys too
17:53 < _NSAKEY> That's very true. Digital Ocean did some promo where if you did 4 pull requests last month you'd get a t-shirt...
17:53 < _NSAKEY> My pull requests were all to old repos where some idiot uploaded all of their dot files and didn't exclude .ssh.
17:54 < _NSAKEY> DO is only sending me stickers, even though I met the terms they set out...
17:59 < phy1729> lame
17:59 < phy1729> I'd send you more for helping people with security
18:33 <@NotLarry> anyone familiar with openvpn?
18:46 < dfused> never heard of it
18:46 < dfused> <.<
18:49 <@NotLarry> I
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19:00 < _NSAKEY> NotLarry: The one time I used it, there was some github project that made it dead simple to make a debian server run openvpn.
19:00 < _NSAKEY> Had all sorts of connection problems, but that was the cheap provider being cheap.
19:00 < dfused> theres a good walkthru on DO about installing it
19:01 < _NSAKEY> This might have been it. https://github.com/Nyr/openvpn-install
19:05 < dfused> NotLarry:  quit playing with your chicken soup and let us know what ya need sir
19:24 < _NSAKEY> Just checked my git folder. That's the project.
19:34 <@Evilpig> haha robot chicken... "miss frizzle is batshit crazy, does she even have a teaching degree?    miss frizzle:  it's honorary"
20:51 < Healix> how much bandwith would a irc vps use?
20:53 <@Evilpig> not much
20:53 <@Evilpig> I can tell you that 10 streams out of plex is using up about 2Mb/s right now
20:54 <@Evilpig> 2MB/s
20:54 < Healix> im looking at per month, i beleive i'd be hard pressed to hit 50gb
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22:07 <@Dagmar> Oh hell... Android Studio 2.0?
22:07 <@Dagmar> Looks like I'll have to be playin' with that tomorrow.
22:07 <@Dagmar> These new features look very appealing
22:09 <@Dagmar> "With this update, Google is introducing new emulators that, given modern hardware, should run faster than any physical device."
22:09 <@Dagmar> No more having to get that weird "other people" emulator?  Cool.
23:17 < _NSAKEY> Healix: You could reasonably get away with a VPS that costs dollars per year.
23:18 < _NSAKEY> The uptime probably won't be the best though.
23:18 < _NSAKEY> I've got one that I'm probably going to let expire at the end of the year, because the provider made me that mad. It was $8 a year or so.
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