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04:30 < aestetix> Never trust a fart :/
04:31 < aestetix> speaking of which, hi klixa
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06:48 <@rattle> As we enter another day in the killing fields of the cyberwar, praise Lord Dagmar, and prepared the scorpion pits for the lusers.
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07:21 < aestetix> rattle: so what do you think of liberals?
07:26 <@rattle> I think the finger pointing and jingoistic bullshit that typically is exchanged between liberal and conservatives in the US is pathetic.  Yet, I recognize that one of the great strengths of American culture is a very transparent dialog between factions with different intrests.  I simply thing we could do a better job at not being morons.
07:28 <@rattle> Typos aside..  I think the liberals are better with their facts than the conservatives.  Both have been letting their emotions get in the way.
07:28 <@rattle> I'm a victim of that too.
07:28 <@rattle> Acceptable answer?
06:54 <@Evilpig> ROFL
06:54 <@Evilpig> UPDATE: ALERT! After further investigation, and review of video evidence, VUPD has determined that the alleged robbery in Medical Center East Garage did not occur. Resume normal activity but stay vigilant and use standard safety precautions.
06:57 < aestetix> rattle: agreed.
06:58 < aestetix> rattle: there is no political discussion in the US right now. Just seething rabid anger all around.
07:02 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:02 < aestetix> rattle: also, I would disagree about the US having a transparent dialogue.
07:06 <@rattle> There is room for argument there.  I think we are fairly transparent.  It's just not obvious where to look.
07:07 < aestetix> Compared to Russia, sure.
07:07 < aestetix> rattle: here's an example of lack of transparency. Diebold voting systems.
07:09 < aestetix> The TPP I'm more mixed on, but it definitely shows the problem.
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07:15 < aestetix> rattle: the only person I know of with integrity in the democratic party is Bill Clinton
07:23 <@rattle> The lack of transparency regarding the TPP negotiations says more about the international system than the US domestic environment.
07:23 < aestetix> That's fair.
07:24 < aestetix> But our politicians could make that a bit more clear.
07:25 <@rattle> And I can say with first hand knowledge, there were a ton of espionage shenanigans taking place over the whole course of the TPP negotiations that was the main driver for all the secrecy.
07:25 < aestetix> espionage shenanigans?
07:26 < aestetix> rattle: and what about the secret laws? Like, under what authority does the TSA demand ID in order to get on an airplane?
07:26 <@rattle> Oh yeah, multiple orgs and individuals were compromised.  China was very agressive.
07:26 < aestetix> And FISA.
07:26 < aestetix> I don't mean to imply that Obama caused all of the issues, but he certainly hasn't helped.
07:27 <@rattle> I think assuring the identity of travelers between borders and on airplanes is sort of common sense.
07:27 < aestetix> You mean the same China that hacked OPM and nobody has been held accountable except for one person?
07:27 < aestetix> rattle: between borders? So states have borders now?
07:27 <@rattle> I'm not going to go on an OPM rant..
07:27 < aestetix> What about free travel in the US without needing to show papers?
07:28 <@rattle> "between borders and on airplanes" is two seperate situations.
07:28 < aestetix> Oh?
07:28 < aestetix> When you say "borders" I assume you mean international borders, which is fine.
07:29 < aestetix> But an airplane flight from Dallas to New York is different.
07:29 <@rattle> Yes.  Traveling on an airplane should require some vetting.  I see this as common sense, from a pure risk analysis perspective.
07:29 < aestetix> rattle: are you suggesting there was no vetting before the TSA existed?
07:30 < aestetix> Or that the TSA is in any way effective in their stated purpose?
07:30 <@rattle> It was inadaquate.  The facts of events that occured validate that.
07:30 <@rattle> The TSA is a shit show.
07:30 <@rattle> Don't read my comments as an argument that the TSA is doing a good job.
07:30 < aestetix> heh
07:31 < aestetix> I mean, the federal government could have taken the same approach they did with highways, and what they are trying to do with real id
07:31 < aestetix> "It's your turf, but if you don't do A B and C we'll deny you funding"
07:31 < aestetix> Instead they have basically taken over the airports.
07:31 < aestetix> And fucked everything up as a result.
07:32 <@rattle> Bureaucracy is often moronic.  Very sad.
07:32 < aestetix> In terms of transparency, how about some documents demonstrating the terror attacks the surveillance has prevented, instead of these sob speeches we get every time another revelation comes out?
07:33 <@rattle> "Sources and methods" -- get used to disinformation anytime that's an issue.  That's not gonna change.
07:33 <@rattle> Good reason for it too.
07:33 < aestetix> Because Americans care more about blame than fixing things.
07:33 <@rattle> Sadly, sometimes it masks bad pratices and incompetence.
07:33 < aestetix> Or the alternative... if I want to find out the truth, I trade away my freedom for a clearance.
07:34 < aestetix> rattle: how about when the CIA torture report was released, and Feinstein/etc gave us a long sob story about 9/11?
07:34 <@rattle> You know which side of that I fall on..  And I've usually been able to find out what I need to know, and by virtue of the fact I'm talking to you, you know my clearance status.
07:34 < aestetix> Seriously, how much fucking longer are they going to milk a terror attack that 1. happened 15 years ago 2. happens every day in Lebanon?
07:34 < aestetix> heh
07:35 < aestetix> rattle: I hope you don't think I'm yelling at you. I'm mostly projecting anger that I can't voice anywhere else.
07:35 <@rattle> I completely understand.
07:35 <@rattle> No worries.
07:36 < aestetix> In all honesty, I think the bigger problem is the tabloid excuse for media we have.
07:36 <@rattle> Nod.
07:37 < aestetix> rattle: so, do you think there are ways to change the shitshow besides shoving a vote into a Diebold machine that will randomly delete its memory contents?
07:37 <@rattle> Eyes equate to dollars.  Many media outlets have no qualms about providing bullshit that makes people think they are smarter about an issue simply to get those eyes, while not providing any sort of enlightenment.  I'm not sure how to approach the problem, but it's a big one..
07:38 < aestetix> Meh, I think media outlets have always been corrupt.
07:38 <@rattle> Active involvement in the system?  Rather than sitting back and pointing at it using they term "they" to reference it?
07:38 < aestetix> But I think that they have a shorter delay on impacting political decisions than they used to
07:38 < aestetix> rattle: you did see the DAC privacy policy I helped write?
07:39 < aestetix> (don't even get me started on how useless the activists response to that policy has been)
07:40 < aestetix> I remember mentioning to someone in NSTIC that I wanted to know if we had jurisdiction over TSA
07:40 <@rattle> Nope..  I'm not focused on identity issues right now.  It's not that I don't think it's important, I just don't have enough bandwidth.
07:40 < aestetix> the reply was along the lines of "you do not want to touch that mess"
07:41 < aestetix> DAC is not identity related, we wrote the first anti-surveillance privacy policy in the country.
07:43 <@rattle> Interesting.
07:43 < aestetix> The fact that you didn't hear about it sustains my point.
07:43 < aestetix> Not against you, but that the media coverage with activists is terrible.
07:43 <@rattle> Blame Occupy.
07:43 < aestetix> rattle: I can link you to it if you want. I have been trying to find a conference that would accept a talk about it.
07:43 <@rattle> Send it my way..
07:44 <@rattle> Not sure what I'll do with it, but no reason not to..
07:44 < aestetix> ok
07:44 < aestetix> lemme find it
07:44 < aestetix> I am very proud of it.
07:45 < aestetix> We spent over a year on it.
07:45 < aestetix> And the entire activist community fucking ignored it.
07:45 <@rattle> To digress..  I think one thing that is lacking in general in regard to privacy, is a set of guidelines and best pratices for organizations in regard to privacy of employees.  There is no good thought on that problem I've seen.
07:46 < aestetix> That is what I have been working on with NSTIC
07:46 <@rattle> Nice.
07:46 < aestetix> I'm trying to get basic transparency and accountability policies included in the NSTIC framework
07:46 <@rattle> Big gap there..  And no GC wants to touch it.  The status quo is preferred..
07:46 < aestetix> Because that way, that stuff will have NIST's backing.
07:47 <@rattle> And the vast majority of companies actually do respect the privacy of their staff, while retaining abilities necessary to address their own security...  But there's little in the way of widely accepted and shared principal.
07:48 <@rattle> .. that's been documented somewhere
07:48 < aestetix> https://www.aclunc.org/blog/dac-vote-oakland-shows-how-surveillance-reform-begins-home
07:48 < aestetix> there's an easy to read story about it
07:49 < aestetix> So you can maybe understand why I am tired of hearing lawyers and activists going to conferences and making speeches about what should be done, and then not doing anything.
07:50 < aestetix> Seriously, I say something on twitter, and some idiot "activists" accuses me of microaggressions or some shit
07:53 < aestetix> I'm tempted to submit this irc backlog as a rant for PhreakNIC 20 :p
07:53 < aestetix> provided that I would be able to give such a rant OTR with no video
08:10 <@rattle> Well, I'll happily continue to be part of the problem while saying I want to solve the problem.  Wheeee...
08:10 < aestetix> lol
08:11 <@rattle> My saving grace is my sense of humor..
08:11 <@rattle> Praise Lord Dagmar.
08:11 <@rattle> Sudo.
08:11 < aestetix> vagina
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08:13 <@rattle> xoxoxoxoxoxo
08:14 < aestetix> nc -l | grep /[x|o]/ | nc Dolemite
08:17 < aestetix> Because even Dolemite needs a big wet kiss from rattle
08:25 <@rattle> Sudo.
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08:27 < aestetix> penis
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08:33 < aestetix> hi PigBot
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08:51 < Healix> what does the bot do?
08:52 <@Evilpig> not much
08:52 <@Evilpig> mainly just gives link previews
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08:57 < Healix> i think i might make a little irc bot for fun, i havent done one, what did you write him in?
08:57 < aestetix> pig latin, obviously
08:58 < Healix> ah  ayok
08:58 < Healix> wait its okayyay
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09:43 <@Evilpig> FUUUUUUUUU
09:44 <@Evilpig> told the moving company the largest truck they could get up in here is a 28' so what do they send?
09:44 <@Evilpig> full truck and trailer
09:44 < Healix> open?
09:44 <@Evilpig> i'm watching the guy try to navigate now.  he might be hauling my shit on a dolly for a block from the truck to my apt
09:45 <@Evilpig> I'm neither helping nor paying extra for that.  I told them in advance this was the situation
09:49 < aestetix> ugh
09:49 < aestetix> I just saw this on twitter
09:49 < aestetix> "History...or, HERstory."
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09:58 < Healix> hey Evilpig , how's it going now?
10:00 <@Evilpig> fucking fucks
10:00 <@Evilpig> I swear to god
10:04 < aestetix> rattle: actually the more I think about it, being a lawyer in the US is a trap
10:04 <@rattle> It totally is..  Decius has a great rant about this.
10:05 < aestetix> Well the thing is.... they have to play by the rules, else they get disbarred
10:05 < aestetix> In the meantime, the people they fight against, break the rules
10:05 < aestetix> What happens if you practice law in the US without being part of a bar association?
10:15 <@Evilpig> iirc nothing if you aren't representing anyone else
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10:16 < aestetix> hmm
10:16 < aestetix> interesting
10:16 < aestetix> what happens if you do?
10:19 < aestetix> hmmm
10:19 < aestetix> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/charlielyne/make-the-censors-watch-paint-drying
10:19 < aestetix> I wonder what other stupid things we could send them films of
10:20 < aestetix> Maybe I should reach out to the guy and see if I can get him to sneak in a short video of a dog pooping halfway through the film
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10:47 <@Evilpig> http://paint.ginnter.net/
10:47 < PigBot> Title: How long will 'Paint Drying' be? (at paint.ginnter.net)
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13:29 <@Evilpig> now taking repair suggestions.  https://goo.gl/photos/n33L3PErQqLhFYSV8
13:37 < crash1801> wood glue and after it dries, some nails
13:37 < crash1801> dries and sets
13:38 <@opticron> or just pull the caster out and find a modern replacement that can be made to fit in the hole
13:38 <@Evilpig> it was even packed in styrofoam for fucks sake!!!! https://goo.gl/photos/xWzYRxDQyVS6LKsCA
13:39 < crash1801> forget the nail. Did not zoom into the picture
13:40 < crash1801> I would say the wood glue and clamp it around the rod with a rubber band
13:40 < crash1801> or a clamp
13:40 <@Evilpig> not sure wood glue would hold
13:40 <@Evilpig> it's a heavy fuckin' table
13:40 < aestetix> penis
13:41 < crash1801> gorilla glue?
13:41 < crash1801> You would have to sand off the excess after it dried though
13:41 <@Evilpig> i'll try it but not sure.  it was originally a solid chunk for sure
13:41 <@Evilpig> the break on it is pretty jagged but that could be more surface for glue
13:42 < crash1801> Just make sure on side is damp, while the other side should have the gorilla glue on it.
13:42 < crash1801> Gorilla glue has done well for the most part for me
13:42 < crash1801> only really messed up when I did not wet the other side of what I was applying it to
13:47 < crash1801> Hope it works for you
13:48 < crash1801> or, you can do what opticron suggested and get a modern replacement
13:51 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Gorilla Glue will hold it if you clamp it until it's completely dry
13:52 <@Dolemite> I'd sand the edges that fit together first, just to rough it up enough to let the glue seep in
13:56 < aestetix> http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/
13:56 < PigBot> Title: People Of Walmart - Funny Pictures of People Shopping at Walmart : People Of Walmart (at www.peopleofwalmart.com)
13:56 < aestetix> god some of these pictures are ugly
13:58 < aestetix> ok this wins
13:58 < aestetix> http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/1061.jpg
13:58 < aestetix> this is fucking scary
14:12 < crash1801> That is pretty scary, I must admit
14:38 <@RangerZ> lets see how well THIS bluff works
14:40 <@RangerZ> "hi comcast business rep, I'm very interested in your service .... and now since google fiber just got announced for my apartment complex, will you be offering a price/service match? Because I'd prefer to stay with comcast."
14:40 <@RangerZ> hehe
14:40 <@RangerZ> << no info on g-fiber yet :/
16:00 < Healix> ah ok, i'd switch out of princible
16:00 < Healix> principle*
16:06 < crash1801> done for the day. g'night all
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16:56 < _NSAKEY> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/11/georgia-sent-out-cds-of-data-from-6-million-voters-containing-ssns-birth-dates/
16:56 < PigBot> Title: Georgia sent out CDs of data from 6 million voters containing SSNs, birth dates | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com)
16:57 <@dasunt> Meh, it's the season of giving.  The state is trying to make life easier - now Georgians can give gifts without even trying.
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19:16 <@Dagmar> It's a shame they'll have to be sued in order to fire whoever did somethign that dumb
19:54 <@Dagmar> ...because that was absolutely _multiple_ someones who were too poorly trained, too lazy, and too stupid to know that SSNs are PII and should _not_ just be handed out, ever
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20:20 <@rattle> Great Lord Dagmar . . . I thank you for the power to kill my users, and the wisdom and restraint required to let them to live.
20:20 <@rattle> Sudo.
20:20 <@Dagmar> You seem to have mistaken me for a supernatural deity
20:21 <@rattle> (They're actually not that bad.  I just needed to raise praise towards the lord.)
20:21 <@rattle> SHUTUP.  YOU'RE THE BEST WE GOT!
20:21 <@Dagmar> Yeah but I cant make users be secure
20:21  * Evilpig lights a candle and places it at Dagmar's holy feet
20:21 <@Dagmar> ....at least, not without a long winnowing process being involved.
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20:22 <@Evilpig> haha
20:22 <@rattle> Seriously, you've gotta find this funny Dag..
20:23  * rattle just broke the forth wall.
20:25 <@rattle> Blessings to all, and goodnight.
20:25 <@rattle> SUdo.
20:51 <@Dagmar> enh?  I was busy getting burritos
20:52 <@Dagmar> 'cuz Taco Bell is dumb enough to let me have Kickstart in 64oz cups
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21:39 < Healix> dagmar  is it in fountains?
21:40 <@Dagmar> Yes it is.  :)
21:40 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Did you read my PM from earlier?
21:40 <@Dagmar> Probably not
21:40 < _NSAKEY> I think you'd remember it if you had.
21:40 <@Dagmar> lol I just had to dump a Fallout video
21:41 < Healix> your filling it up with like a 711 megacup? cause i gotta get in on this shit
21:41 <@Dagmar> Healix: Basically, _yes_.  :)
21:41 <@Dagmar> "Makes me happy" levels of caffienation: acquired
21:42 <@Dagmar> Granted it's only about 1/3 more caffiene than soda normally is, but it's the extra effort that makes all the difference
21:43 < Healix> and the reward of ...getting away with it.
21:45 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: Oh I see the log message now
21:45 <@Dagmar> ...and yeah, if someone of his size were allowed 240mg of caffiene, his mother would kill us all
21:45 < _NSAKEY> Hahahaha.
21:46 < _NSAKEY> He would definitely be printed on the side of milk cartons, after evaporating from time-space.
21:47 <@Dagmar> That picture might itself be a little blurry
22:01 <@Dagmar> Anyway, I had to dump the twitch stream because I forgot the damn high-res textures usually omit underwear
22:02 <@Dagmar> First set of people I eliminated, I stripped their gear and started tossing the bodies into the water... then realized... nearly an all-female group of mercs.
22:02 <@Dagmar> I'm not even answering questions about that. just flushing the video and removing the mods until I can find the time to refactor them a bit
22:03 < Healix> what were you playing?
22:03 <@Dagmar> Fallout 4
22:03 < Healix> ah whats your twitch?
22:03 <@Dagmar> Bethesda makes weird decisions about what gets highres textures and what doesn't
22:04 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: So you're a Fallout serial killer, with a thing for murdering women.
22:04 < _NSAKEY> This sounds like fodder for your budding cult.
22:04 <@Dagmar> twitch.tv/evilDagmar
22:04 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: Well, normally there's some underwear on them
22:04 <@Dagmar> These were just bare-ass naked people I was tossing in the bay
22:04 <@Dagmar> ...or sometimes piling on the nearest fire
22:04 < _NSAKEY> ... Sacrifices.
22:05 <@Dagmar> That way if they're still there if/when I come back through I won't waste time checking them for loot
22:05 <@Dagmar> If you thought people were bad about hoarding "all teh things" with Skyrim, it's way worse with Fallout 4.
22:05 <@Dagmar> Now, _all_ that crap can be recycled and used to build fortresses
22:07 <@Dagmar> I'm snatching up coffee mugs, people's alarm clocks, old tin cans, occasionally stuffed animals...
22:09 <@Dagmar> ...but my gear is modded up, my settler's gear is also modded up, and I've got enough automated cannons around some of these settlements that only a really determined group of supermutants is going to stand a chance
22:10 <@Dagmar> I had to put Cait away because she doesn't like it when you're nice to people for no money up front, because I'm building out my settlements so they'll just automatically generate caps and glue.
22:11 <@Dagmar> ...which basically means, lots of raider murdering.
22:11 <@Dagmar> These farmhands could be lying to me about someone threatening them for all I know
22:17 < _NSAKEY> Heh. https://twitter.com/CthulhuSec/status/667555913478311936
22:35 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: When's the Nashville infoseci thing again?  next Thursday?
22:35 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: You mean NashSec? That was tonight.
22:35 <@Dagmar> God damn it
22:35 < _NSAKEY> If I had remembered that you were interested, I would have PMed you, at least.
22:36 < _NSAKEY> They changed the location, then changed it back to the original location.
22:36 < _NSAKEY> It was moderately confusing.
22:39 < _NSAKEY> Next Thursday is Thanksgiving, by the way.
22:44 <@oddball> Speaking of locations... there's serious talk of moving the nashville2600 location.
22:44 <@Dagmar> Heh.  Finally I think I can get back to FO4
22:45 <@oddball> One of the main ideas was a meeting space in the Hickory Hollow mall.
22:45 <@oddball> I really don't want to have to shoot/stab a mother fucker.
22:45 <@Dagmar> hahah
22:46 <@Dagmar> We should probably sort of sight-see that for ourselves before jumping to a decision on it
22:46 <@oddball> I was told by just about everyone that I was over reacting.
22:46 < _NSAKEY> oddball: If we move there, I need to figure out what extra implement to take, aside from my usual pocket knife.
22:46 <@Dagmar> they probably hadn't been down there in awhile
22:46 < _NSAKEY> The only plus side to that move is that it's a much shorter drive for me.
22:46 <@oddball> I just looked at the crime maps.  The crime has gone down.  There's only been 3 assaults reported in the mall parking lot in the past week.
22:47 < _NSAKEY> But hey, the mall core is basically dead, so at least we can hear ourselves talking to each other.
22:47 <@Dagmar> The mall _did_ finally address the problem of being filled with gangster kids, but how effective those measures have been is still up for debate
22:47 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: The mall core itself is dead.
22:47 <@Dagmar> That's why the drop in crime.  :)
22:47 <@Dagmar> We might once again represent the bulk of "criminal activity" in an area
22:47 < _NSAKEY> The group who bought the center portion of the mall basically fucked the immigrant population with a roll of sandpaper on the leases.
22:47 <@Dagmar> ...which is not exactly a bad thing since we're not generally up to much
22:48 < _NSAKEY> There were "COMING SOON" signs in windows, and they promised them the moon in terms of business...
22:48 < _NSAKEY> Got then stuck on these expensive leases... And then nothing happened.
22:48 <@Dagmar> Yeah the place is basically shut down
22:48 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: Problem is that I know the entire property is posted as an unarmed victim zone, and the fact that there's a school there now raises the stakes of getting spotted with one.
22:48 <@Dagmar> They might be operating partially in "community center" mode tho, so we might be able to actually schedule a free meeting space
22:48 < _NSAKEY> oddball: Does that only apply to guns?
22:49 < _NSAKEY> I had a retractable baton or a taser in mind.
22:49 <@oddball> Normally, yes, but there's more things listed as weapons when dealing with school grounds.
22:49 <@oddball> You got a baton permit?
22:49 <@Dagmar> Hence we'll need to sight-see and evaluate
22:49 < _NSAKEY> oddball: There's such a thing as a baton permit?
22:50 <@Dagmar> Frankly I'd still rather be aiming for something inside the 440 loop
22:50 <@oddball> Yep... and you need one in the state of TN to carry one legally.
22:50 <@Dagmar> It's relatively _easy_ to go in _towards_ Nashville at the appropriate time
22:50 < _NSAKEY> Well, shit. I guess it's a good thing that mine stays in a drawer, then.
22:50 <@Dagmar> Certianly better than the traffic still leaving Nashville then
22:50 <@oddball> Yes... if a cop decides that you're carrying a stick with the intent to go armed, you need a permit for it.
22:51 < _NSAKEY> When did that bit of fascism hit the books?
22:51 <@oddball> I think the '60's.  That's when most of those types of laws hit the books.
22:51 <@oddball> Because, well, they didn't want black people to actually be able to fight back.
22:54 <@oddball> And I've found that getting the baton license is actually harder to get than a permit to carry a gun, since only security guard schools have the classes... and a good chunk of them require you to take other classes before they'll let you take that one.
22:56 <@Dagmar> Heh.  FO4 turns off the phone integration when it resets your graphics config.  Grrr..
23:03 <@oddball> Oh, here's a fun bit of TN law: if the cops find out that you're carrying a weapons that you're not supposed to because you used it in a self defense situation, they're not allowed to arrest/charge you.
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