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00:00 <@klixa> i just really dont care about that tho
00:00 < _NSAKEY> Phones can't be taken seriously from a security standopint anyway.
00:02 <@RangerZ> if the battery is in the phone, and the phone isn't in a sound proof faraday cage, then it -can- be spying on you
00:03 <@Dagmar> Also, tinfoil hats can be stylish and attractive
00:03 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: There's nothing tinfoil about cellphones as roving bugs.
00:03 <@RangerZ> 'can' be
00:04 <@RangerZ> not 'is'
00:04 <@klixa> i do keep a black sticker over my macbook camera
00:04 <@klixa> i need to keep one on the fornt camera of my phone too
00:04 <@Dagmar> No, but there's definitely lots of tinfoil about being in _doubt_ about it.
00:04 <@Dagmar> Make a decision.
00:04 < _NSAKEY> klixa: I've been thinking of getting these https://supporters.eff.org/shop/laptop-camera-cover-set
00:04 <@Dagmar> Either it's possible, or it's not.
00:05 <@Dagmar> If it's possible, and relatively undetectable, behave as if it's doing so _all the time_
00:05 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I have zero doubts about it being possible.
00:05 <@Dagmar> Don't just witter on about it and then pretend it's _not_
00:05 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: the super 'tough book' HP tablet I saw reviewed actually had a plastic 'slide' to cover the camera when not in use
00:05 <@Dagmar> I'm quite damn sure it's possible, because I've seen the featureset enabled accidentally on at least one phone
00:06 <@RangerZ> dell* not HP, but still
00:06 <@Dagmar> We had Motorola i2000's at iAsiaworks.
00:06 <@RangerZ> I'd quite like to see that on a consumer laptop
00:06 <@Dagmar> Rattle (IIRC) managed to get his sim-locked by entering the unlock code wrong enough times
00:06 <@Dagmar> The phone _appeared_ to be _off_.
00:06 <@oddball> RangerZ: There's always the peice of tape.
00:06 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: http://www.cnet.com/news/fbi-taps-cell-phone-mic-as-eavesdropping-tool/
00:07 <@Dagmar> We had dialed the number and I don't remember exactly why, but we dialed the phone to see if it would ring anyway
00:07 <@RangerZ> oddball: my work laptop -has- a piece of electrical tape with a courtesy tab covering the webcam
00:07 <@Dagmar> It rang once, and without being touched or showing _any_ sign that anything was going on... went into a silent speakerphone mode
00:07 <@Dagmar> It literally became a GPS-enabled eavesdropping grenade, just from being sim-locked
00:08 <@Dagmar> Simlock phone, discard in inconspicuous place as if lost, then dial phone and merrily listen in for as long as the battery lasts
00:08 < _NSAKEY> The only way to stop a phone from being a roving bug is to take the battery out.
00:08 < _NSAKEY> They can even turn the mic on if it's off.
00:10 <@klixa> _NSAKEY: my stickers ar ejust some black paws... its the only stickers i could find that were plastic instead of paper an that were the right size
00:10 <@klixa> got like a sheet of 100 for a buck...i have used 4 of them in the past 3 yeas so far
00:11 <@Dagmar> klixa: Find some old 5.25 floppy disks for sale somewhere
00:11 < _NSAKEY> I used a torn corner of a post-it, that I went over with a black sharpie after Dagmar shamed me about it at a 2600 meeting.
00:11 <@klixa> my bf's computer had a cover built in on his cam that you could slide open and shut
00:11 <@klixa> Dagmar: ? why
00:11 <@Dagmar> ...even if it's a junk shop.  If the box is sealed, they typically came with several small black stickers, about 1/4" by 1/2"
00:12 <@klixa> oh
00:12 <@Dagmar> You'd use them to cover the write protect notch on the disks edge.
00:12 <@Dagmar> Quite frequently they were very thin vinyl, and always quite opaque
00:12 <@klixa> _NSAKEY: give me you name, phone number, adress and ssn and i will send you some of my stickers! :P
00:13 < _NSAKEY> klixa:
00:13 < _NSAKEY> Neal F. Randle
00:13 < _NSAKEY> 598 Forest Ridge Dr La Vergne, TN
00:13 <@Dagmar> 078-...
00:13 <@klixa> https://img0.etsystatic.com/004/0/5422988/il_570xN.384908546_38kk.jpg those are ideintical to my stickers
00:13 < _NSAKEY> SSN: 567-68-0515
00:14 <@klixa> i wonder who neal is :P
00:14 < _NSAKEY> Your guess is as good as mine.
00:14 <@Dagmar> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B1ZQHxmCQAADiLJ.jpg
00:14 <@klixa> lol
00:14 < _NSAKEY> The address is a foundation, mailbox, and part of a fence.
00:14 < _NSAKEY> The SSN belonged to Richard Nixon.
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00:16 < _NSAKEY> I used to have that string of digits memorized for situations where some shady company was demanding an SSN from me but had zero legal reason to have it.
00:16 < _NSAKEY> Even got to use it a couple of times.
00:16 < _NSAKEY> That was fun.
00:17 < Healix> finally after a weekend of (slight) struggle i got my irc box setup _NSAKEY
00:18 <@klixa> i spent all day packing...soon i will be in seattle
00:18 < _NSAKEY> Healix: Did you go with a cheap VPS and tmux/screen + irssi/weechat?
00:19 < Healix> i went with screen + weechat, i could not get irssi to work right in some areas
00:20 < Healix> which is no big deal, cause now that im using it it'll be the same for me
00:20 < _NSAKEY> You can get things like the nick list to display in irssi, but it requires work.
00:21 < _NSAKEY> A lot of irssi users customize the default layout a bit. Personally, I add second timestamps and use a customized theme, load a few scripts, and set a few aliases.
00:21 < _NSAKEY> By contrast, weechat is set up pretty nicely out of the box.
00:21 <@klixa> i like weechat better
00:22 <@klixa> i like the *idea* of irssi beter cause its older, etc... but weechat is way more user friendly
00:22 < _NSAKEY> The only reason I'm not a weechat user is because I got too used to irssi before discovering it.
00:22 <@klixa> irssi is more l33t :P
00:22 < Healix> that's what i ran into. I fought with irssi for like 2 hours over the last couple days, but weechat 5 minutes
00:22 < _NSAKEY> klixa: There's also that.
00:22 < Healix> but mostly that...
00:23 < _NSAKEY> I did my fighting with irssi in 2009 or so, and haven't changed my set-up since.
00:23 <@klixa> i used irssi back when there was a mac version of it (it was some kinda gui hting wrapped around it)...anyway, you could click links and stuff
00:24 < _NSAKEY> klixa: That sounds like an abonimination.
00:24 < Healix> [Healix(i)]
00:24 < Healix> [Healix(i)]
00:24 < Healix> idk wtf that was but sorry
00:24 <@klixa> _NSAKEY: yeah, how dare they let you CLICK links
00:25 < _NSAKEY> Exactly. That's heresy.
00:25 <@oddball> I click links in irssi... of course, it depends on the ssh client I'm using at the time. :p
00:25 <@klixa> _NSAKEY: ive ised irssi in a terminal too...
00:25 < _NSAKEY> Link clicking is broken for me, but right-clicking isn't.
00:25 < Healix> [Healix(i)]
00:26 < _NSAKEY> Considering I hang in channels like this one, with people like aestetix, it's a good thing.
00:26 <@klixa> i just use textual now
00:26 <@klixa> i like being able to click to get to other chans too
00:27 < Healix> its pay for
00:27 < Healix> sort of $5 for 5 license is almost free
00:28 < Healix> oh nvm, not 5 licenses
00:28 <@klixa> i compiled mine
00:28 <@klixa> the source code is on github
00:28 < Healix> ah ok
00:29 < _NSAKEY> klixa gets +1 l33t bonus.
00:29 <@klixa> lol
00:43 < aestetix> what
00:43 < aestetix> wht did I do wrong
00:44 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: You're still breathing?
00:44 < _NSAKEY> Actually, you didn't do anything this time.
00:47 < RangerZ|work> 'this time'
00:47 <@oddball> Heh... that reminds me.  I was actually mentioning aestetix to my mom the other day.  I was telling her about how he moved to Berlin from the bay area and has discovered this thing called "the real world."
00:47 <@oddball> My mom stated that Berlin was also in it's own little make believe world, but not as bad as the bay area.
00:47 <@oddball> :)
00:48 < RangerZ|work> What... berlin only invaded Greece this time monetarily
00:48 < RangerZ|work> not militarily
00:48 <@klixa> nashville is in its own bubble too
00:49 < RangerZ|work> I don't know if 'bubble' is the right term, but definitely a housing bubble at least.
00:49 <@oddball> true.  It has a tendency to think that it's the only thing that exists in the state.
00:49 < RangerZ|work> oddball: only thing other than oak ridge that is worth visiting
00:49 < RangerZ|work> chat if you want day trip
00:49 < RangerZ|work> lol
00:50 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ|work: If you're going there, the aquarium is a required stop.
00:50 < _NSAKEY> I went twice as a kid, and loved it both times.
00:50 < RangerZ|work> never been there
00:50 < RangerZ|work> I grew up near Geauga Lake/Sea world which was the world's largest theme park after it merged in 2004 or something
00:51 <@klixa> my brothers wife grabbed 2 kids out of their mothers car the other day (in nashville) and took them inside the store to yell at the mother baout how her kids could get kidnapped.... i dont think i would ever see that in cali or something
00:51 < RangerZ|work> klixa: you in town?
00:51 <@oddball> I would disagree.  Chattanooga is a nice place to visit, and there are some awesome state parks... including a lake that was created by a fucking earthquake.
00:51 <@klixa> RangerZ|work: no...i heard about it
00:51 < RangerZ|work> ahh
00:52 <@klixa> RangerZ|work: but, i mean, its how people are there... they get in other people's business qithout much provocation
00:52 <@klixa> and shes like an upper middle class soccer mom type
00:52 <@klixa> without*
00:53 < RangerZ|work> I would consider -that- pretty normal personally
00:53 <@oddball> That's called "the south."
00:53 < RangerZ|work> depending on the kids' ages
00:53 < RangerZ|work> if 15 and 16 the a little odd
00:53 < RangerZ|work> 5 and 6... I'd say legally justifiable
00:53 <@klixa> they were way too young...3 and an infant
00:53 < RangerZ|work> ohh
00:53 <@klixa> but that is NOT the way you handle it
00:54 < RangerZ|work> ?
00:54 <@klixa> you dont kidnap someones kids to show they can get kidnapped basically
00:54 <@oddball> If the kids were above 8, and the lady didn't have serious trouble dragging them into the store, they were taught wrong.
00:54 < RangerZ|work> only two options are (3 if you are NotLarry, and you just kidnap them) is to call the police and or do what she did
00:55 <@klixa> RangerZ|work: see, you are poisned by the south
00:55 <@klixa> you live there...you are part of it
00:55 < RangerZ|work> nope, thats how we would have handled that shit in ohio too
00:55 < RangerZ|work> and that is a northern border state
00:55 <@klixa> ohio isnt much different
00:55 <@klixa> i have lived in ohio
00:55 <@oddball> Sorry, that shit happens in the "fly over" states.
00:56 < RangerZ|work> taking the kids into the store is -not- kidnapping, legally if they were that young
00:56 <@klixa> RangerZ|work: its messed up
00:57 <@klixa> its braking and entering into the car
00:57 < RangerZ|work> I don't see any problem with it
00:57 <@klixa> its ...kinda like kidnapping
00:57 < RangerZ|work> if nothing else, it could be saving the children if the car was locked like that
00:57 < RangerZ|work> its the same idea of 'good Samaritan' laws,
00:58 < RangerZ|work> I know for a -fact- that it is legal to do that in ohio
00:58 <@oddball> Although, I keep being tempted to park the cars that are left running in front of a store.
00:58 < RangerZ|work> my mom has done it before, but mind you she was a CASA agent, but it would have been legal even when she wasn't
00:59 <@oddball> The other day, I spotted a car in front of a grocery store with the engine on, the windows down, and the lady's purse on the passenger seat.
00:59 <@oddball> CASA?
00:59 < RangerZ|work> court appointed special agent
00:59 < RangerZ|work> "the child's voice in court" is their tag line
00:59 <@oddball> ah
01:00 <@klixa> RangerZ|work: if someone touched my kids, id hurt them... i wouldnt leave my kids in the car tho
01:00 <@oddball> ++
01:00 < aestetix> RangerZ|work: how do you think politics would change if they banned cameras from the white house press room?
01:00 < RangerZ|work> basically she got to speak 'on behalf of' children in custody hearings, etc
01:00 <@klixa> RangerZ|work: calling the police is the proper thing if they are not in immediate danger.. you dont grab them and go insie making a sceene just for the hell of it
01:00 <@klixa> it accomplishes NOTHING
01:01 < RangerZ|work> actually it does. it shows the parent that 'shit can happen'
01:01 < aestetix> is "Good Samaritan" a euphamism for meddling in someone else's business?
01:01 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Pretty much, yeah.
01:01 <@oddball> And, like I said, (when I have kids) I will be upset if a stranger could do that to them without losing blood.
01:01 <@klixa> RangerZ|work: no it doesnt... because what kinda parent who cares leaves them in the car anyway?
01:01 < RangerZ|work> aestetix: historically  that is 'exactly' what it means, look up the history of the term
01:01 < _NSAKEY> I can see saying something to the parent, but jerking the kids out of the car just goes too far.
01:01 < RangerZ|work> klixa: a lot of parents don't know that you 'shouldnt' do that
01:01 < aestetix> reminds me of.... in Germany, they require you to state your religion on things like job applications
01:01 < RangerZ|work> I know it sounds stupid
01:01 < aestetix> My response is usually "none of your fucking business"
01:02 < RangerZ|work> but its true
01:02 <@klixa> RangerZ|work: well, then they need a cop to inform them
01:02 <@klixa> RangerZ|work: and again...tahts outhern/flyover state mentality
01:02 <@klixa> that southern*
01:02 <@oddball> aestetix: huh, did not know that.
01:02 <@klixa> cause you do that in a normal place, and they would all think you are trashy
01:02 < aestetix> oddball: yeah. It's because if you are Catholic the government collects a religion tax
01:02 <@oddball> Does Germany has a state sponsored religion?  Just curious.
01:02 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I thought of you while reading this. https://medium.com/@parkermolloy/5-things-the-media-does-to-manufacture-outrage-ba79125e1262
01:03 < RangerZ|work> oddball: catholic IIRC
01:03 <@oddball> ah
01:03 < aestetix> oddball: not really. I mean, Germany is where protestantism came from :p
01:03 < aestetix> So Germany is half catholic half protestant, except for the east, where the state religion was atheism
01:04 < aestetix> In some parts of Germany there is a catholic church basically every 3 blocks
01:05 <@oddball> If the state collects taxes for the Catholic church, I'm counting that as a state sponsored religion.
01:05 < RangerZ|work> and its funny evangelicals are basically extremist protestants, who want to roll back all the gains the protestants did with universal education
01:05 < aestetix> oddball: it sort of is, but it's not like you are forced to go to church
01:05 < RangerZ|work> oddball: I don't think it is "for" the church
01:05 <@oddball> Right, but that's basically the case in England as well, from what I understand.
01:05 < RangerZ|work> its how the church pays its taxes, isn't that right aestetix?
01:05 < aestetix> But yeah, there have been cases where the government contacts churches in the place you're from to see if you were baptized
01:06 < aestetix> RangerZ|work: that I don't know
01:06 < RangerZ|work> I think it is, where as we just give 'religions' tax free real estate
01:06 < aestetix> Poland is also very, very catholic.
01:06 < RangerZ|work> well they 'got rid' of all the jews there...
01:07 < aestetix> lol
01:07 <@oddball> In fairness, the Polish weren't the ones that came up with the idea.
01:10 < aestetix> actually
01:10 < aestetix> I should put down Objectivist as my religion
01:11 < RangerZ|work> I just put Deist
01:11 < aestetix> I thought you were Catholic
01:11 < RangerZ|work> or tell people "I'm the same religion as most of our nation's founders"
01:12 < RangerZ|work> let the misinterpret that how they will
01:12 < RangerZ|work> lol
01:12 < RangerZ|work> baptized catholic
01:12 < RangerZ|work> despite the holy water hurting
01:12 < RangerZ|work> and me telling the priest beforehand that it was going to hurt
01:12 < aestetix> well that comes as no surprise
01:12 < RangerZ|work> being a 2 year old
01:12 < aestetix> is your mother's name Rosemary?
01:12 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ|work: Tell them you worship R'hllor, and they can go die in a fire.
01:13 < RangerZ|work> in EU you can put 'jedi
01:13 < RangerZ|work> and its an accepted religion IIRC
01:13 <@oddball> damn... I would continue in this conversation, but the wife is telling me to come to bed.  I should probably obey.
01:13 < aestetix> oddball: tell her I said hi
01:13 < RangerZ|work> is she telling you or cracking the whip?
01:14 < aestetix> s/wife/cat/
01:14 < aestetix> I wonder if this means oddball will get laid
01:15 < RangerZ|work> with the speed in which he left IRC after saying that...
01:15  * RangerZ|work shrugs noncommittally 
01:16 < aestetix> http://hotair.com/archives/2015/06/17/newest-campus-microaggression-i-believe-the-most-qualified-person-should-get-the-job/
01:16 < aestetix> so glad I'm not in university
01:18 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I'll have you know that the trigger warning slides got deployed at PhreakNIC.
01:19 < aestetix> oh?
01:21 < _NSAKEY> Yeah. Nobody tried to shout me down and I didn't hear about any complaints, so I think it's safe to say that the more toxic elements of PN's culture have removed themselves.
01:21 < RangerZ|work> actually that IS a dog-whistle term used by racists
01:22 < RangerZ|work> dog-whistle terms/phrases like that are specifically designed now a days to NOT be caught as easily as they used to be
01:22 < RangerZ|work> "America is the land of opportunity" is just a fucking lie
01:22 < RangerZ|work> lol
01:23 < RangerZ|work> America has at times had periods of more or less equal opportunity. We probably peaked in the late 90s
01:24 < RangerZ|work> aestetix: I'll have you know I straight up said said the 'why are you all so quiet' to a class with 40% asian 40% Indian
01:24 < RangerZ|work> last week
01:25 < RangerZ|work> but that was because they weren't answering my questions during lecture
01:26 < RangerZ|work> ./s/said said/said
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06:23 < aestetix> oh awesome
06:23 < aestetix> I just broke the sudoers file
06:28 <@NotLarry> that is a shame
06:30 < aestetix> indeed
06:30 < aestetix> not an important system
06:30 < aestetix> just the production database
06:31 <@NotLarry> you saved a backup before you broke it right?
06:31 <@NotLarry> That was stupid, of course you did.
06:31 < aestetix> it only broke sudo. doesn't actually hurt the system
06:52 < aestetix> and fixed
06:58 <@NotLarry> nice work
07:01 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/AmyStephen/status/665957251585343488
07:01 < aestetix> this is fucked up
07:22 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:22 <@Dolemite> I survived another revolution around the sun
07:33 <@rattle> aestetix: That's some serious persona assassination shit right there..  Very fucked up.
07:45 < RangerZ|work> jesus that is fucked up
07:46 < RangerZ|work> that is to the level of inciting violence
08:08 < aestetix> agreed
08:08 < aestetix> As in someone should go to jail for that.
08:08 < aestetix> It is quite clearly libel.
08:08 <@rattle> Completely agree.
08:09 <@brimstone> congrats Dolemite!
08:09 < aestetix> Dolemite: you should take a selfie to celebrate
08:09 <@rattle> Dolemite: And praise Lord Dagmar.
08:09 <@Dolemite> My wife's goal is to kill me slowly.  So far she's sticking the to the plan (slowly).
08:10 <@Dolemite> sudo
08:10 <@rattle> Sudo.
08:10 < aestetix> I deny the authority of Dagmar. Anyone up for an Avignon?
08:11 < aestetix> speaking of drama
08:11 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/666217164798603264
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08:17 <@rattle> I'm such a dick.
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08:19 <@rattle> Peace brother, and sudo to you.
08:24 < RangerZ|work> only "billion dollar corruption " they are setting their targets low
08:24 < RangerZ|work> what was it 13 billion in cash on pallets went "missing" in iraq
08:24 < RangerZ|work> and then funded ISIS
08:26 <@rattle> There's almost 10 years difference between when that cash was stolen and the rise of daesh.  But of a stretch to link to two..
08:27 <@rattle> s/But/Bit/
08:27 <@Dolemite> Tried to watch Blackhat last night
08:28 <@Dolemite> There's just so much of the same CGI you can stand to watch over and over.  It was ok for the opening credits, but everytime the villain hit the Enter key they really didn't need to repeat their visualization of electrons flowing from the keyboard through the CPU to the network cable and into the router
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08:30 <@rattle> You mean, you don't immediately go into a trance and see those sort of visuals every time you hit the enter key?  I do.  About to do it now..
08:31  * rattle orgasms.
08:37 < RangerZ|work> thanks rattle
08:37 < RangerZ|work> ruining my appetite like that
08:37 < RangerZ|work> I call it the IRC DIET
08:37 < aestetix> RangerZ|work: you should think about Corydon and anal sex instead
08:38 < RangerZ|work> He already said if you were -that- interested he'd show you a good time... and might even be gentle at the start
08:39 <@rattle> You should thank me.  You've hit enter several times now, and you know you thought about it differently.
08:39 < aestetix> I'm not interested, I just want to shed light on things in the public interest.
08:42 < RangerZ|work> you know what... I shouldn't be -this- happy about something this stupid... but I just spelled [opaque] right on the first try, and it made me -really- happy
08:43  * RangerZ|work decides to go back to bed for the day. I've already had all the excitement I can take for one day
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09:11 < aestetix> https://wikileaks.org/sourceamerica-tapes/
09:14 <@klixa> Cable company sent me a notice saying they detected botnet activity on my network
09:15 <@klixa> what kinda things can show up like that?
09:18 < aestetix> botnets
09:20 <@opticron> depends on what software they use to "detect" that
09:21 <@opticron> I suspect some would flag any IRC traffic as a botnet
09:24 < aestetix> are there any lawyers who don't operate in good faith?
09:24 < aestetix> I think one of the failures of American lawyers (on the federal level) is that they play by the rules
09:24 < aestetix> while politicians and corporations don't
09:25 < aestetix> rattle: what do you think of that?
09:32 <@rattle> At least someone is playing by the rules.
09:33 <@rattle> Let it be the lawyers and the auditors..
09:34 <@oddball> heh... you guys remember that "smart" gun that was making headlines last year?  Some one actually got their hands on one for a review... and it's apparently a terrible gun.
09:34 < aestetix> rattle: the lawyers for one side.
09:34 < aestetix> I do not give the same courtesy to the Attorney General
09:36 <@oddball> aestetix: They're supposed to.  I believe demonstrably not doing so is one of those things that can get you in trouble with the bar association.
09:36 < aestetix> So Eric Holder is not subject to the bar association?
09:37 <@oddball> Not really, no.
09:38 < aestetix> So basically, federal and corporate employees are not subject to the bar, while normal lawyers are?
09:38 <@oddball> I mean, whatever bar association(s) he's a member of can strip him of membership and he probably can't practice law in those states.
09:39 <@oddball> Fuck it, Holder was the first active AG to be found in contempt of Congress, and that doesn't seem to phase him.
09:39 < aestetix> yep
09:40 < aestetix> Basically, activists are useless doing anything except talking about themselves, and lawyers are useless because they are forced to play by roles written to strangle them.
09:40 <@rattle> Nothing about a person's ability to practice law has anything to do with their ability to hold public office or be appointed by an official to do a job.
09:41 <@rattle> Yet, it would be pretty disgraceful if an AG was disbarred.
09:41 <@oddball> I'd be fairly surprised if he does any more work as an actual lawyer.  He'll probably just jump on the lecture circuits.
09:41 < aestetix> rattle: wouldn't it be more disgraceful if an AG committed a crime and nobody held them accountable?
09:41 <@rattle> Sure.  It's happened before.
09:43 < aestetix> rattle: what do you think of FDR and LBJ's legacies?
09:43 <@rattle> I'm not in a mood to write a book right now.
09:43 < aestetix> lol
09:44 < aestetix> The point: every president since FDR has expanded the federal government to the point that it is a cancer.
09:57 <@oddball> Damn.  I wish I had a picture of this monstrosity for my 3D printed guns and other home made firemarms presentation at PN: http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/nsw/deadly-diy-homemade-guns-hit-sydney-streets-in-record-numbers/story-fni0cx12-1227581151383
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11:43 < aestetix> ugh
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15:04 <@RangerZ> https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2015/11/16/governors-rush-to-slam-door-on-syrian-refugees/
15:04 <@RangerZ> fuck politicans
15:05 <@RangerZ> politicians* too
15:05 <@RangerZ> I grew up surrounded by politicians, but they taught me to be a 'statesman' ... not THIS bullshit
15:06 <@RangerZ> and it crosses party lines, b/c people want to be isolationist/xenophobic
15:16 <@Evilpig> I has laptop again.  at least a temporary one
15:16 <@Dolemite> woot
15:16 <@Dolemite> How was the first day hazing?
15:16 <@Evilpig> half the dept is out getting training
15:16 <@Evilpig> so... non-existant
15:17 <@Dolemite> they'll make it up soon enough
15:17 <@Evilpig> Oh i'm sure.  i'm in an office with chad wigal and next door to nathan casteel
15:18 <@Dolemite> At least you know them already
15:19 <@Evilpig> yup
15:19 <@Evilpig> jeff sublett is up here too
15:19 <@Evilpig> at least I saw his name on a door
15:20 <@Dolemite> Ok, time to head home and start playing taxi for the rest of the afternoon, then Cub Scouts toniht
15:20 <@Dolemite> tonight
15:20 <@Dolemite> later
15:20 <@Evilpig> later
15:23 <@RangerZ> later
15:34 <@Evilpig> have any of you seen the new show "Hunting Hitler" ?
15:47 <@RangerZ> no, but my great grandfather lived it
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15:53 <@Evilpig> this is a new show around the declassified cia/fbi/nsa docs about hitler sightings and information post war
15:54 <@Evilpig> I think most people believe that hitler didn't kill himself and did escape.  this is lookin at the "evidence" and they've made a pretty good argument so far
15:55 <@Evilpig> http://www.history.com/shows/hunting-hitler
15:57 <@Evilpig> I just realized
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15:59 <@Evilpig> well... hello. ipv6, wtf?
15:59 <@Evilpig> now that is very unexpected
16:06 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: You went to work for Vanderbilt?
16:08 <@Evilpig> surprise
16:09 <@Dagmar> Good luck with that
16:09 <@Evilpig> I'm on the med center side.  they're paying me decent enough, I should be okay
16:10 <@Dagmar> Changing over to that side still didn't make them stop fucking around for me
16:10 <@Dagmar> They're really lucky I didn't just fuckin' sue them
16:11 <@Evilpig> for me.  job @ vandy > no job
16:11 <@Evilpig> also it allowed me to move back down here to be closer to you asshats
16:12 <@Evilpig> now that I know I have ipv6 connectivity.  I might just have to play with it and add in some aaaa records to test with
16:13 <@Evilpig> apparently I have a package at my apt too.  i wonder if that is my unicorn poo
16:15 <@Evilpig> oh thinkgeek. http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/imsj/
16:15 < PigBot> Title: Star Wars Chewbacca Can Cooler | ThinkGeek (at www.thinkgeek.com)
16:33 <@RangerZ> think geek...aka Gamestop now
16:33 <@RangerZ> if you go into a store now it is basically a -think geek- store that 'just so happens' to have video games too
16:35 <@Dagmar> Lies.
16:35 <@Dagmar> They don't actually sell video games.
16:35 <@Dagmar> They only sell pre-orders and used games.
16:39 <@Evilpig> the sell all the action figure shit too.  it was weird seeing legos in gamestop yesterday
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16:48 <@Evilpig> well it's nearly 4.  I think it's time for me to gtfo
17:21 <@RangerZ> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1659894998/failsafe/posts/1416714
17:21 < PigBot> Title: Failsafe by Game Over Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com)
17:22 <@RangerZ> kinda amusing that someone else is doing free running better than Mirror's edge 2 seems to want to do it
17:22 <@RangerZ> don't know if it'll get funded, but looks to be interesting
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19:39 <@Dagmar> Damniut
19:39 <@Dagmar> I made 10 quarts of kool aid earlier and added caffiene to all of them
19:40 <@Dagmar> I really meant to have at least one bottle of "unleaded" on hand
19:47 <@Dagmar> Yes I will drink all that.
19:47 <@Dagmar> Proabbly before the week is up
19:47 <@Dagmar> It's not without reason I had like 200,000 kool-aid points collected at one point
19:49 <@Dagmar> storge: Don't feel bad.  I set up a vm here just for using git with Android Studio.  It's been a week now and I still haven't bothered to finish setting that up
19:57 <@Dagmar> Damn those iRobot people
20:06 <@Dagmar> Their latest model apparently will just map your whole damn house, and make multiple runs, stopping to recharge and having another go, until it's all done
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21:29 < Healix> and theyll probably report the lay out to your house to the swat team so they can raid it w/o a warrant and know where your shits at
21:32 < aestetix> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/17/world/europe/paris-terror-attack.html
21:35 <@Dagmar> I hope they enjoy their new surveillance state
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21:50 <@Dagmar> ...so... I actually managed to buy replacement ink cartridges for my printer through Amazon for $37 instead of hte usual $60
21:51 <@Dagmar> They came with a small pack of microfiber cloths, and a note encouraging me to give them a good review.
21:51 <@Evilpig> heh
21:51 <@Dagmar> I'm half tempted to just say "Item was suspiciously cheap, but precisely as advertised.  great deal!"
21:51 <@Evilpig> bribery is good
21:51 <@Dagmar> I was going to give them a good review _anyway_ just for breaking ranks on the pricing
22:04 < aestetix> Evilpig: how is it being back?
22:07 <@Evilpig> first day, so it was boring
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22:38 < Healix> idk if anyone uses python, anyone got any good instruction for tkinter?
22:39 < Healix> i've watched a video series and read an introduction, but the 2 i found aren't finished
22:44 < Healix> well shit, i found'er
22:48 <@Evilpig> good good.  i'm counting that as me helping you so that's +1 in my support count
22:48 < Healix> sure you can have a +1
23:23 < aestetix> penis
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