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00:44 <@Dagmar> Okay, now i'm impressed that Wilbur managed to get any damn streams to show up in the list at all.
00:45 <@Dagmar> Twitch definitely needs to step back and take a long look at how nonsensical their workflow through the site is.
00:45 <@Dagmar> Gotta go see some goths about some darkness and then I'll be back to take another poke at Twitch (with Googling)
00:56 <@Dagmar> Found the damn setting
00:59 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: https://twitter.com/GillanGeorge/status/665747276388696064
00:59 <@Dagmar> Yeah heard about it earlier tonight
01:02 < _NSAKEY> I'm curious to see how much of a disaster this leads to.
01:06 <@Dagmar> Well, it doesn't appear to be exploitable... yet.
01:10 <@Dagmar> Considering that once again, everyone who matters uses libpng as a shared lib, upgrading this should be fuckin' easy mode
01:12 < _NSAKEY> Some Gentoo users on HN were whining.
01:20 <@Dagmar> That's because they're idiots who think they need to recompile everything that was compiled to link against something else, even when the API didn't fuckin' change
01:21 <@Dagmar> "I'm a gentoo user and before preserved libs came in, updates to libpng required recompilation of almost everything on a system." <--- because this guy is a fuckin' moron.
01:21 <@Dagmar> Moooooron.
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01:55 < RangerZ|work> although honestly I never really bothered with gentoo, so I'm just going to blame both of the distro for not explaining how to do it properly... and the user
02:24 <@ShadowHntr> i never got into gentoo
02:24 <@ShadowHntr> i like the idea
02:24 <@ShadowHntr> but never used it myself
02:24 <@ShadowHntr> compiling it myself adds a sense of accomplishment
02:31 <@RangerZ> I got freebsd/pc-bsd to run pretty fucking solid back in the day
02:32 <@RangerZ> but gentoo had such a shitty installer that I couldn't get it to -install-
02:32 <@RangerZ> let alone -customize- it
02:32 <@RangerZ> this was back when I still learning *nix stuff, and I just gave up on gentoo at that point
02:44 < aestetix> I really need to pick my battles better.
02:44 < aestetix> I am currently upset that Candy Crush has removed the ability to play a few games to get to the next episode faster
02:51 <@RangerZ> candy crush was fun... for a little while
02:52 <@RangerZ> but once I hit the 'pay wall' (where they want you to 'pay to advance' ) it became apparent that the -entire- game was designed to make my wallet cry
02:53 <@RangerZ> plus at the time I was watching google IO or another google conf. about mobile and almost -every- section was about how to improve retention and improve players returning to the game
02:53 <@RangerZ> to -pay money-, not about how to ... you know... make better games, make more efficient games/apps
02:54 <@RangerZ> I just got pissed
02:54 < aestetix> I'm almost to level 300 :/
02:55 < aestetix> and no, haven't paid a cent
02:55 < aestetix> That said, if you just wait three days, the paywall goes away
02:56 <@RangerZ> I meant more of the level design being 'fuck you'
02:56 <@RangerZ> levels designed to make it just 'chance' that you can win
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12:47 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Installing gentoo is a good learning experience, but I wouldn't personally consider it useful for much else.
12:47 < _NSAKEY> The few times I've messed with it, it's gone in a virtual machine.
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17:13 < _NSAKEY> This looks fun: https://twitter.com/doctorow/status/666005331986784259/photo/1
17:15 < RangerZ|work> _NSAKEY: yeah that has been known for a while
17:15 < RangerZ|work> they were using blind drops to give out polling data
17:16 < _NSAKEY> It's just interesting to see how far they'll go to break the law.
17:19 < RangerZ|work> yeah
17:20 < _NSAKEY> I mean, if what they were doing was legal... They wouldn't be emulating Cuba with its numbers station.
17:20 < RangerZ|work> thats the thing
17:20 < RangerZ|work> it 'might' be legal
17:20 < RangerZ|work> but just because something is legal doesn't mean they want it public
17:21 < RangerZ|work> that polling data is among the most expensive thing a campaign can get
17:21 < RangerZ|work> GOOD polling data is really expensive and really hard/time consuming to get
17:26 <@Dagmar> Uhhh... It absolutely wasn't legal.
17:27 < _NSAKEY> It's about like the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 and Room 641A.
17:28 < _NSAKEY> There's no way on earth that what they did was even remotely legal, which is why Congress gave out retroactive immunity during a Presidential election year.
17:28 < _NSAKEY> In this case, if what they were doing was even close to being legal, they wouldn't be running "numbers stations" on twitter.
17:29 < _NSAKEY> I think that analogy is funny, because it lends itself to trolling Republicans about how PACs supporting their party are adopting the tactics of Fidel Castro.
17:32 <@oddball> oh for fuck's sake: http://www.dailydot.com/politics/paris-attack-encryption-snowden/
17:33 < RangerZ|work> oddball: I can do you one better
17:33 < RangerZ|work> http://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2015/11/14/why-the-paris-isis-terrorists-used-ps4-to-plan-attacks/
17:35 < RangerZ|work> b/c PSN is 'hard to monitor'
17:35 <@oddball> Yeah... I saw that one.
17:36 < _NSAKEY> oddball: https://theintercept.com/2015/11/15/exploiting-emotions-about-paris-to-blame-snowden-distract-from-actual-culprits-who-empowered-isis/
17:38 <@oddball> Seems like everyone has said that their pet cause is involved in the attacks.
17:38 < _NSAKEY> Pretty much.
17:38 <@oddball> Moms Demanding Action seem to have blamed lack of proper gun control as the cause.
17:39 <@oddball> Which.... what the fuck?
17:40 < _NSAKEY> It's Europe... Not the US.
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17:41 <@oddball> Right.  France has pretty hefty gun control on the books.
17:41 < _NSAKEY> Personally, if I'm stuck in a situation like that, I'm going to hope there are plenty of people with carry permits hanging around.
17:41 <@oddball> And.. uh... those full auto AKs?  Yeah... not exactly legal.
17:42 < RangerZ|work> _NSAKEY: I would agree with you... IF everyone with carry permits had to have weekly training
17:42 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, the gun control laws really stopped that one! Oh, wait...
17:43 < RangerZ|work> without weekly training carry permits are more dangerous in a crisis than people no having the guns at all
17:43 < RangerZ|work> hence why we "have cops train"
17:43 < RangerZ|work> supposedly
17:43 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, but look at all the good the cops did during Columbine.
17:43 < _NSAKEY> There were hundreds of them, with better hardware, and all of them were too chickenshit to go into the school.
17:44 < _NSAKEY> Actually, I remember reading that one of them was going to go in, but he was ordered to stand down.
17:44 < RangerZ|work> columbine was an outlier b/c of more of 'what' training they recieved
17:44 < _NSAKEY> Columbine is an example of the militarization of cops being more about control than about the stated goal of taking out criminals in weird situations.
17:44 < RangerZ|work> the idea that they had was that "the person is obviously trying to hold hostages and wants to escape, so let us prevent his escape"
17:45 < RangerZ|work> which is obviously the wrong starting thesis
17:45 <@oddball> RangerZ|work: Yes.  Thank god that those people in that theater didn't have to worry about carry permit holders.
17:49 < RangerZ|work> maybe that is correct, hypotheticals like that aren't necessarily very useful, but the statistics show that the person carrying would have been just as likely to hurt themselves and others rather than the assailants, which DOES mean that we should be thankful that they weren't carrying
17:50 <@oddball> Also, the folks that stopped the armed group shooting up the Westgate Mall in Kenya were civilians that had happened to be carrying after an IDPA match that morning.
17:50 < RangerZ|work> which means they had weekly training
17:50 < RangerZ|work> which again, bolsters my POV
17:51 <@oddball> If by "Weekly training" you mean "like going to range often."
17:51 < RangerZ|work> no
17:51 < RangerZ|work> i mean training on how to assess the situation, etc
17:51 <@oddball> Oh, and maybe going to monthly matches.
17:51 < RangerZ|work> but 'those guys(girls)' who go to that kind of thing at least think about it more than most civilans
17:52 <@oddball> So... since I shoot IDPA matches, you'd consider that I have weekly training?
17:52 < RangerZ|work> perhaps, if you can demonstrate not being able to freak the fuck out in a crisis, b/c that is honestly the #1 issue with most people thinking they will be john wayne if "something goes down"
17:53 < RangerZ|work> note that I've never once mentioned people's accuracy
17:53 <@oddball> And I'd like to see your statistics, because there's a lot out there that disagree with that statement.
18:00 < RangerZ|work> offhand, I don't keep links to those kinds of things, but it doesn't really matter, because you'd have stuff that contradicts it.
18:00 < RangerZ|work> good idea... we should have the CDC do studies and statistics on gun incidents
18:00 < RangerZ|work> ohh wait... that is illegal
18:00 <@oddball> They have.
18:00 <@oddball> They did recently
18:00 < RangerZ|work> not with significant data
18:01 < RangerZ|work> because the fed. gov't doesn't have good data for that, and we all know htat
18:01 < RangerZ|work> that*
18:02 < RangerZ|work> http://www.forbes.com/sites/janetstemwedel/2015/10/01/congress-still-bans-cdc-scientists-from-studying-gun-violence/
18:02 <@oddball> Every estimate of defensive gun use vs criminal gun use shows that the number of defensive gun use far, far outways criminal.
18:03 < RangerZ|work> I've never said it didn't.
18:03 < RangerZ|work> I'm just saying that I don't trust most human beings
18:03 < RangerZ|work> lol
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20:16 < aestetix> oddball: but you don't need that study. We have the 2nd amendment.
20:17 < aestetix> That should make all this stupidity moot.
20:17 < aestetix> Burden should be on the gun opponents to say why the law should change
20:18 < aestetix> aaaand france just dropped bombs
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20:23 <@oddball> and yet
20:23 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: The 000webhost users got leaked, finally.
20:23 < _NSAKEY> That's my distraction from all the Paris news right now.
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21:49 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: https://twitter.com/asdizzle_/status/665933815420989440
21:49 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: If you happen to find out WTF 'yfdbufnjh' is supposed to mean, be sure and let me know
21:52 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I retweeted that earlier.
21:52 < _NSAKEY> Some of those are pretty suspect.
21:53 < _NSAKEY> The list points to a little password complexity being forced.
21:53 <@Dagmar> Yeah at first I was thinking it was a bot with a shitload of accounts, but searching the text brings up it's appearance in a shitload of things all in Cyrillic
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21:55 <@Dagmar> I'm _guessing_ maybe it's in volapuk
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22:14 < RangerZ|work> jesus fucking christ ticketmaster
22:14 < RangerZ|work> I can't get the damn site to load
22:14 < RangerZ|work> like 30 separate tracking cookies, 30 tracking scripts, flash
22:16 <@Dagmar> Because despite the fact that there's a "handling fee" which demonstrates that their servers run on generators powered by human virgin blood, and kept in solid platinum decanters, YOU STILL NEED TO SEE SOME ADS SO THEY CAN PAY THEIR BILLS
22:19 < RangerZ|work> i just gave up
22:19 < RangerZ|work> apparently they don't want my money
22:19 <@Dagmar> Annastasia seems to think yfdbufnjh is some russian word typed while the keyboard is still in English mode
22:19 <@Dagmar> From the way it's appearing in Google, I suspect she's right
22:25 < RangerZ|work> the [008hotboy] strikes me as odd too
22:25 < RangerZ|work> makes me wonder if that is some default PW that someone's bot uses too
22:27 < RangerZ|work> actually a lot of these are probably dead drops that likely have 'common' passwords so that they can be used as a place for people to make use of them
22:28 <@Dagmar> Almost certainly
22:36 < aestetix> penis
22:36 < aestetix> RangerZ|work: I'm amazed at how much of the internet breaks when you have adblock and javascript block
22:39 <@RangerZ> I use ghostry, which still allows JS to 'run'
22:39 <@RangerZ> unless it is form certain known bad hosts
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22:51 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: It's only gotten worse.
22:51 < _NSAKEY> Web 2.0 really made the internet an unbearable cesspool, when using plugins like NoScript.
22:55 < _NSAKEY> Now Javascript is the most popular language on GitHub, and it makes me feel like the world needs to end.
22:58 <@RangerZ> but a LOT of that is backend stuff
22:58 <@RangerZ> which makes me want to cry
22:58 <@Dagmar> A lot of people watch reality TV.
22:59 <@Dagmar> That doesn't mean it's not shit.
22:59 <@Dagmar> Don't confuse popularity with value.
23:00 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I don't think anyone who has said anything about JS so far is actually for JS being used everywhere.
23:00 < _NSAKEY> Personally, I want the pre-JS-is-everywhere-and-we-can't-stop-it Internet back.
23:02 <@Dagmar> Give it time for jquery to just be rolled into CSS 6 as attributes
23:04 <@Dagmar> LOL @ tweaked-out space marines encountering The Doctor & Clara behaving like tourists
23:08 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: as 'bad' as the current JS mess is... it could be worse
23:09 <@RangerZ> non-x-site hosting of JS/ads,
23:09 <@RangerZ> would make it a lot harder to target specific things to kill
23:10 <@RangerZ> but the 'problem' with that is that it would TOO EASY to hosts to 'fake' traffic
23:10 <@RangerZ> which is why I don't expect to see it any time soon
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23:26 < aestetix> lol
23:26 < aestetix> non-x-site sounds like an http header
23:27 <@RangerZ> yeah, you know what I mean
23:27 < aestetix> That said, I do wish people didn't abuse javascript so much.
23:27 < aestetix> Namely because all the fucking ad trackers use it, and you have to do a lot of work to block them while letting sites be usable
23:28 < aestetix> btw, who actualyl clicks on those "share on facebook" buttons?
23:29 <@RangerZ> bloggers/etc
23:33 <@RangerZ> but what amuses me more is when they are on porn sites
23:33 <@RangerZ> like who EVER was like...  "ohh yeah, I loved this video, let me share this with my family and coworkers"
23:35 < _NSAKEY> That's right up there with Amazon and co deciding that after you've bought a widget, that you must be served with more targeted ads for that widget.
23:36 < _NSAKEY> Not the accessories, but the widget itself.
23:36 < _NSAKEY> So, how many of you have done the codex thing?
23:42 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Do you have any American credit cards left?
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23:52 <@Dagmar> OKay, apparently that russian-english word is 'navigator'
23:53 < _NSAKEY> Probably some Russian group with a bot.
23:54 < aestetix> no
23:54 < aestetix> well, I've never actually had a credit card
23:55 < _NSAKEY> I used a greendot that hasn't been loaded in about a year, but which doesn't expire for a couple of months, to game the codex trial.
23:56 <@klixa> you have to give all your info for a greendot tho?
23:56 <@RangerZ> not if you don't want to
23:56 <@RangerZ> same with visa CCs that you buy at the mall as 'gift certificates'
23:57 <@RangerZ> you have to give them 'some' info
23:57 <@klixa> green dots require ssn to activate it says
23:57 < _NSAKEY> I did for mine.
23:57 <@RangerZ> ahh ok
23:57 <@RangerZ> FYI Visa CCs at the malls don't require that
23:57 < _NSAKEY> klixa: You can use the initial card without an SSN, but to get one you can use regularly, you have to cough up info.
23:57 <@RangerZ> or at least, they didn't
23:57 < _NSAKEY> I only got one so I could do online ordering without having to swipe a credit card anywhere.
23:57 <@klixa> yeah _NSAKEY
23:58 < _NSAKEY> Then they changed that, because scammers were using them to get paid.
23:58 < _NSAKEY> You have to physically swipe the card at the register to load it, to stop "fraud."
23:58 <@klixa> RangerZ: that might not be the case anymore cause homeland secutity or nsa or whatever it is that doesnt let us be anonymous
23:58 <@klixa> i dont even think you can have burn phones anymore
23:58 < _NSAKEY> ... Yet the entire purpose of the card, for me, was so that I could load it without doing business with the next Target or Home Depot.
23:59 < _NSAKEY> klixa: You can get burners without info.
23:59 < _NSAKEY> That's still doable in the US.
23:59 <@klixa> ok
23:59 <@klixa> well, i dont need to
23:59 < _NSAKEY> You just... Never supply info when activating.
23:59 < _NSAKEY> Also, you never pay with anything but cash.
23:59 <@klixa> as for cards, i have a Bluebird card... its a prepaid card like a greendot kinda...same principle
23:59 <@klixa> no fees
23:59 < _NSAKEY> That leaves cell tower geolocation and camera feeds at the stores.
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