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00:01 <@Dagmar> It would be like Bill Murray stealing that guy's fries and say "No one will ever believe you."
00:01 <@Dagmar> s/say/saying/
00:01 <@Dagmar> (except now we know he pulls shit like that because it's funny)
00:03 <@klixa> thats the thing, cute girls dont usually do that...its the kinda you dont want doing it that do it
00:03 <@Dagmar> ...because this is a shitty planet.
00:04 <@Dagmar> I'm not particularly into black girls, but still, they weren't horrifying.  I might have swatted some hands away, but i'd be unlikely to have called the police about it
00:13 <@Dagmar> Well, this is interesting
00:13 <@Dagmar> Despite me being slightly below the "minimum" requirements for Fallout 4, it runs fuckin' fine
00:14 <@Dagmar> Hell, I turned the settings up to the 'High' template last night
00:14 <@Dagmar> There's VATS.  You don't need 60+ fps to fuckin' play that
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00:47 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: https://twitter.com/peterkrupa/status/644606554315038721
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00:51 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: are you on a PC?
00:51 <@RangerZ> that's why
00:51 <@RangerZ> lol
00:51 <@RangerZ> apparently the console versions can drop to the point where 10 enemies are on the screen and your FPS is below that
00:58 <@Dagmar> Well, that's got to be embarrassing for PS4 users
01:03 <@RangerZ> "Ivy City. 1700 block of New York Ave NE"
01:03 <@RangerZ> dagmar someone answered
01:04 <@RangerZ> hehe
01:04 <@Dagmar> What?
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01:09 <@RangerZ> 'the bad areas of DC'
01:09 <@RangerZ> that they wanted to 'avoid'
01:09 <@RangerZ> lol
01:09 <@RangerZ> http://dcist.com/2015/11/twerking_victim_says_attack_continu.php
01:10 <@RangerZ> [D.C. Police Make Arrest in Twerking Attack; Victim Speaks Out]
01:21 <@Dagmar> Oh yeah I saw that.  hehe
01:33 < _NSAKEY> That's such a strange headline.
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02:17 < aestetix> uh
02:17 < aestetix> twerking attack?
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03:59 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: http://i.imgur.com/szoovPJ.gifv
04:16 < aestetix> nope
05:56 < fie> I can has admin in phreaks and geeks?
05:59 < fie> _NSAKEY, I dont' unterstund
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07:36 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:45  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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07:46 <@rattle> We are all Dagmar.
07:47 < aestetix> I'm Dagmar
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08:13 < aestetix> rattle: you'll be proud of me.
08:13 < aestetix> I just registered to vote absentee.
08:13 < aestetix> I'm not happy with how things are in the US, but I'll be damned if I won't at least try to change it.
08:15 <@klixa> im voting for trump
08:22 <@rattle> aestetix: I am proud to hear that my ranting about voter participation touched at least one person, even if it was you.  :)
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08:31 <@rattle> http://techcrunch.com/2014/12/23/amazon-web-services-will-give-you-1000-in-credit-for-completing-these-edx-courses/
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08:32 < aestetix> klixa: I'll likely be voting for Deez Nuts
08:32 <@klixa> is he still running? lol
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08:58 <@rattle> Good Veteran's Day reading..  This was a written account from a friend's grandfather.  http://revolution.typepad.com/files/alden-sherry-at-war.pdf
09:38 <@Dagmar> It's Veteran's Day?
09:38 <@Dagmar> Hrm... I guess it is
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09:44 <@rattle> Dagmar: I have not gotten details yet, but word has been passed that you are our new lord.  This is very unfortunate, and I'm not very happy about it.  However, I'm a good player.  All hail Dagmar.  Deliver us from evil.
09:45 <@rattle> I believe a makers group is drawing up plans to cast your likeness in gold.  They are in the process of melting down a golden calf, if my unserstanding is correct..
09:46 < Healix> All hail Dagmar.
09:50 < aestetix> Fuck yes.
09:50 < aestetix> I am now on German health insurance.
09:51 <@rattle> Gazuntite.
09:53 < aestetix> http://www.tk.de/tk/social-security-in-germany/your-health-insurance/main-benefits/576928
09:53 < aestetix> "If you need to stay in hospital, you will have to make a co-payment of 10 euros per day, a maximum however of 28 days per calendar year. "
10:02 <@rattle> So ~$70USD a day?  Not too bad.
10:03 <@rattle> I'm not sure what hotels cost around there, but I'm guessing that hurting yoursel is a pretty good deal..  Given that hospitals typically have good turndown service..
10:03 < aestetix> lol
10:04 < aestetix> I don't think the exchange rate is *that* bad
10:05 < aestetix> and if I need to go to the pharmacy for whatever, no copay
10:05 < aestetix> for example, I can visit a doctor about a possible carpal tunnel issue, and get treatment, all free
10:05 < aestetix> well, s/free/covered/
10:05 <@benthemeek> You guys see this? https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zy-Uvej-8COZghY12MCJNjM2u1yWiw-5v9oa0P-MqxU/edit
10:05 <@benthemeek> Some of the mayhem was recorded
10:05 < aestetix> rattle: why does the GOP insist that single payer will ruin America?
10:06 <@benthemeek> I didnt hear about an actual cop showing up telling someone to put down the bullhorn though
10:06 <@rattle> Because too many people are making money off the waste.
10:06 <@benthemeek> that was cnwave's bull horn I believe
10:06 <@rattle> We should go single payer here.  It's sort of a no brainer.
10:06 < aestetix> I mean
10:06 < aestetix> Honestly, if the US went single payer, or at least passed a law stating all health insurance companies had to be non-profit
10:06 < aestetix> the country would improve overnight
10:07 < aestetix> (that is the law in belgium, they have to be non-profit)
10:07 <@rattle> Like, if there was a single payer health care system out there that was failing, that someone could point at..  That might be something..  But there isn't..
10:08 < aestetix> The debt issues, the lack of accountability of government, etc..... all that becomes much easier when you aren't terrified of getting sick
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10:09 <@rattle> Health care in the United States should be socalized.  Some people have very deep emotional reactions to saying something like that, but it's true.
10:10 < aestetix> I mean, America would have a chance at being a first world nation again with a decent health care system.
10:10 <@rattle> Wait..  When we did we stop being first world?
10:10 <@rattle> No one told me..
10:10 < aestetix> rattle: well, how do you define things?
10:10 < aestetix> I'm going by wealth inequality
10:11 <@rattle> That's a fun metric..  I get where you're going, and I agree with your principal, but I'd like to know how you define the bottom of your scale.
10:12 < aestetix> You mean what makes a nation third world?
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10:12 < aestetix> How about "what happens when the US stops sending it money"? :p
10:14 <@rattle> As in, if you were going to compile metrics on the quality of life of someone in Louisiana versus South Sudan, how would you go about it?
10:14 < aestetix> rattle: but.... things like social mobility, life expectancy, employment rate, etc
10:14 < Synx|hm> what antivirus should i be running on win10/8.1 deployments? ESET?
10:14 < aestetix> Synx|hm: linux
10:14 < Synx|hm> ive been relying on ms defender
10:14 < Synx|hm> aestetix: for my wife and media/house machines
10:14 < aestetix> Synx|hm: oh. In that case, BeOS
10:15 < Synx|hm> haha
10:15 < Synx|hm> sure
10:15 <@rattle> Synx|hm: Your doomed if AV is what you're thinking about.  Just deploy SCEP/EMET, then find an ETDR solution to help you detect and respond to breaches.
10:15 < Synx|hm> wasn't there a project to open up BeOS about 10 years ago
10:15 <@opticron> haiku
10:15 < Synx|hm> rattle: umm i dont know what any of that is but ill research it, i do run network level (at the WAN link) IDS with Snort
10:15 < aestetix> rattle: well, I think you're trying to join a vector with a scalar there. I don't think you can quantify quality ;)
10:16 <@opticron> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haiku_%28operating_system%29
10:16 < Synx|hm> and ms defender on all my systems
10:16 < aestetix> That said, the metrics I just gave are a good start
10:16 < aestetix> I would say education, but judging from the Yale protests, university degrees are worthless now
10:17 < Synx|hm> rattle: ahh system center, that doable without AD?
10:17 < Synx|hm> i ditched the domain controller setup a few years back
10:18 <@rattle> Synx|hm: If you've got windows systems, you want a domain infrastructure.  You can do alot with GPO, regardless of infrastructure size.
10:18 < aestetix> rattle: here's an interesting metric. If you took someone from Sudan and put them in Louisiana, would they survive? And vise-versa.
10:18 <@klixa> aestetix: the sudanese would get welfare... the luisiannaian would die
10:18 < aestetix> lol
10:18 <@rattle> aestetix: That has acutally been tested.
10:18 < Synx|hm> rattle: i hated having a DC wasting my ESXi host resources, and i dont want DHCP and DNS in windows hands
10:18 < Synx|hm> :(
10:19 < aestetix> I think welfare actually hurts the US a lot
10:19 < Synx|hm> but i see your point
10:19 <@klixa> aestetix: welfare abuse does...welfare itself does not imo
10:19 < aestetix> I would abolish it and replace it with a basic income
10:19 <@klixa> aestetix: also, people who have never had welfare have these ridciluous notions about the amounts
10:19 <@klixa> like in TN, family of 3 gets like $150 cash
10:20 < aestetix> oh yeah. there are many reasons why it's a bad system
10:20 < Synx|hm> rattle: oh and i dont have technet anymore
10:22 < Synx|hm> i was thinking maybe running snort still (it mostly blocks sniffing inbound but its stoped a few odd exe/msi downloads) and maybe nod32, i realize this will likely not catch things like cryptowall
10:22 < Synx|hm> but i also run adblocking locally though i guess i could impliment that at the network level too
10:23 <@rattle> Any "welfare" like system cannot be based on a national strategy, beyond a commitment to not let people fall through the cracks.  What's necessarly to susatain someone in New York City is very different from Flint.
10:24 <@klixa> welfare doesnt really help people not fall thorugh the cracks
10:24 < aestetix> rattle: agreed.
10:24 <@rattle> Synx|hm: Remember your key security functions..  Prevention, Detection, Response.  You've got to plan for all three.  I know that sounds like a platitude, but it's worth thinking about..
10:24 < aestetix> rattle: what if you have state level basic income?
10:25 <@rattle> Best advice, is in the absence of sophisticated security infrastructure, focus on logging..  If you don't have visibility, you can't do shit.
10:25 <@rattle> aestetix: COMMUNIST!
10:26 < Synx|hm> rattle: that is quite helpful thank you! step back and think about the big picture :
10:27 < aestetix> rattle: I take it you're not a Milton Friedman fan
10:27 <@rattle> Synx|hm: Prevention will eventually fail.  You still invest in it..  But you've got to have things in place that can do detection and facilitate investivation, and be ready to respond.
10:27 <@rattle> aestetix: No, I'm all about free markets and dog fighting.
10:28 < aestetix> So the GOP assholes who claim to be free market and yet keep the american health care industry intact?
10:29 <@rattle> I think you already classified them as assholes.  Need I say anything more?
10:29 < aestetix> actually
10:29 < aestetix> s/GOP//
10:29 <@rattle> I said earlier, I think we should socalize health care in the United States.
10:30 <@rattle> I am rarely in support of socializing anything, but, there are some exceptions.
10:31 <@rattle> I don't think it makes sense for the free market to build and maintain the roads I drive on..
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10:31 <@rattle> Or to have the free market determine who is going to come to my house when it's on fire.
10:32 <@rattle> I'm willing to let the free market take a chop at who takes my trash away, with some oversight..
10:33 <@rattle> And none of that is all that radical of an idea, since that's basically what we've reached consensus on, based on what people are doing and not rioting over..
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10:37 <@rattle> If I'm going to troll, and I am..  Let me ask this question..  Do you think public security should be privatized?  Would that solve any problems we are currently seeing?
10:44 < aestetix> rattle: what rights are we entitled to?
10:48 <@Mirage> Dagmar: ping
10:49 <@Mirage> who else in here is familiar w/ perl besides Dag?
10:49 <@Dagmar> Peeng
10:50 <@Mirage> there you are.
10:50 <@rattle> aestetix: In my opinion, all of them, as best as we can define them.  And we should be thoughtful as a group, to determine which ones we cede for the better good.
10:51 <@rattle> Mirage: I am quite familar with Perl, and fairly certain I'm going to regret making that known.
10:51 <@Dagmar> Mirage: I assume you're typing a more specific problem
10:51 <@Mirage> trying to run "sudo -l" on a set of remote hosts to see what commands are allowed and keep getting the "requires tty" error
10:51 <@Mirage> Tried: my $ssh = Net::SSH::Perl->new($host, options => [ "RequestTTY yes"]);
10:52 <@Mirage> And: my $ssh = Net::SSH::Perl->new($host, use_pty => 1);
10:52 <@Mirage> And: $ssh->login($user,$pass,0);
10:52 <@Mirage> In an attempt to force allocation of a TTY, but all fail
10:53 <@Mirage> I really don't wanna have to login to ~1000 hosts manually to check this
10:53 <@rattle> Yeah, my old-school as is out classed already.  I was going to ask if you were using Net::SSH::Perl.  Sounds like a platform specific issue regarding the context the script is called in.
10:53 <@rattle> s/as/ass/
10:54 <@Mirage> Supposedly Net::OpenSSH can handle this better, but I didn't get any love from it either.
10:54 <@Dagmar> Did you try options =>[ "RequestTTY force" ]
10:55 <@Mirage> Same
10:55 <@Dagmar> Looks like that's _probably_ bugged then
10:56 <@Mirage> I can see why running "sudo <cmd>" would require a TTY, but wtf does running "sudo -l" require it.
10:56 < aestetix> why not use bash?
10:57 < aestetix> that said...
10:57 <@Mirage> aestetix: using what...expect?
10:57 <@rattle> Not a bad question..  Invoking a specific shell in addition to the command might address some output handling issues.
10:57 <@Dagmar> Why are you trying to invoke a login session anyway
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10:58 < aestetix> Actually this is something ansible is really good at.
10:58 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Please explain how it makes ttys happen
10:58 < aestetix> but, you can do ssh whatever "sudo ls"
10:58 <@Mirage> Dagmar: um, because to run the command on the remote host over ssh you kinda need to login?
10:58 <@Dagmar> Since when
10:59 < aestetix> that is, there is a way to run sudo with ssh remote commands
10:59 < aestetix> trying to remember how to do it
10:59 <@Dagmar> requiretty is supposed to be off by default according to my man page
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10:59 <@Mirage> aestetix: if the customer was using ssh keys instead of passwords then it would be very easy.
10:59 < aestetix> I assume the password is the same on all the systems?
11:00 <@Mirage> aestetix: and i personally would rather not have my password logged a few hundred times using stdin for the password login
11:00 < aestetix> I'm trying to remember if there's a way to get ssh to cache your password
11:00 < aestetix> I don't think there is :/
11:00 <@rattle> Nope
11:01 <@Dagmar> Mirage: Not sure if the sudo -l is what's causing it, but unless you need the user's path constructed for some reason, leave out the -l
11:01 <@Mirage> -l is to list the allowed commands
11:02 <@Mirage> I need to identify the ones that have ALL=(ALL) NOPASSWD:ALL vs the ones that are ALL=(ALL) ALL
11:02 <@Dagmar> Ahh... I need to clean my contacts.  I was looking at the -i section
11:02 <@rattle> aestetix might have made a valid point, did you try putting a shell in front of the command?  As in, "sh sudo -l" instead of "sudo -l"?  Humor me..
11:02 < aestetix> Mirage: wait, so some will prompt for a password, and some won't?
11:03 <@Mirage> aestetix: for running a command via sudo, yes...but if sudo is requiring allocation of a TTY and Net::SSH::Perl is failing to do so, then it's a moot point
11:04 < aestetix> I'm pretty sure you can set up ssh to autodrop a connection if prompted for a password
11:04 < aestetix> iirc a batchmode option or something
11:04 <@Mirage> Initially I was just trying to run "sudo hostname" remotely
11:04 <@Mirage> aestetix: um, ssh will always prompt for a password.
11:05 < aestetix> http://www.thegeekstuff.com/2009/10/how-to-execute-ssh-and-scp-in-batch-mode-only-when-passwordless-login-is-enabled/
11:05 <@Mirage> unless of course you disable password auth
11:05 < aestetix> ohhhh
11:05 < aestetix> I misunderstood.
11:05 < aestetix> So there are two password prompts, one for the server, and one for sudo
11:06 <@Mirage> sudo doesn't always require one..they "fixed the glitch" on the newer machines and I need to identify the ones that need to be fixed so that I can provide a list to our L2 team and make them go fix it.
11:06 < aestetix> Looks like there is a tool called sshpass
11:07 < aestetix> Sshpass is a tool for non-interactivly performing password authentication with SSH's so called "interactive keyboard password authentication". Most user should use SSH's more secure public key authentiaction instead.
11:07 <@Mirage> aestetix: logging in via ssh is not the issue, running sudo is an issue because i need to have a TTY allocated for the session
11:10 < aestetix> btw
11:10 < aestetix> http://store.2600.com/products/tickets-to-the-eleventh-hope-first-batch?variant=8211035265
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11:13 <@rattle> Well, that worked out almost as well as any given Shmoo ticket run..
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11:19 < aestetix> rattle: did you get one?
11:20 <@rattle> Nope.
11:22 <@rattle> I should be given one.  I am the great rattle!  Champion of hackers!  Cxxx at the [redacted]!!  I fight for great justice, peace, and to prevent armed confrontation between nations!
11:22  * rattle had a ton of bricks fall on his head.
11:23 <@rattle> Ou..  Next round I guess.
11:23 < aestetix> rattle: well, submit a talkl
11:23 < dfused> sounds more like you've been eating lead paint again
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11:26 <@rattle> When does CFP close?
11:26 < aestetix> rattle: well it hasn't opened yet :p
11:26 <@rattle> If I spoke, it would probably result in a shit storm..  Regardless of what I spoke about.  The god damn conspiracy theories are so abound..
11:32 <@rattle> I'll probably regret making this joke..  But here's a potential talk title:  "What we learned from masterminding the NWO and 911. (J/K! Your mentally ill!)"
11:49 < _NSAKEY> JET STREAMS CAN'T MELT STEEL BEAMS.
11:56 <@rattle> We weakened the steel beams with contrails.
11:57 <@Dolemite> and flouride
11:57 <@rattle> Dolemite: SHHHHHH!
11:57 <@Dolemite> don't forget the flouride in our water sources
11:57 < _NSAKEY> Dolemite beat me to it.
11:57 <@rattle> Dolemite: Damnit!  That was not public knowledge!
11:57 <@Mirage> it's not as pretty as using Net::SSH, but I finally got Net::OpenSSH to do what I need.
12:00 <@rattle> All hail Dagmar!
12:03 < aestetix> vagina
12:04 <@rattle> All hail Dagmar's vagina!
12:05 < aestetix> you mean anarchival?
12:06 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I did some trolling at PN that you would be proud of.
12:06 < _NSAKEY> I made a comment to Wilpig about how he took the "long distance" out of his long distance relationship with anarchival.
12:06 < aestetix> that reminds me, klixa and I still need to have sex
12:07 <@Dolemite> you'd best start working on your dream, because that's the only place it'll ever happen
12:07 <@rattle> I'm not familar with any of these people, so I abstain from any association with comments.
12:07 < _NSAKEY> rattle: A good stance to take.
12:08 <@NotLarry> oh fucking just kill me now.
12:08 < aestetix> Dolemite: didn't you and Dagmar have sex at one point?
12:09 <@Dolemite> Not with each other
12:09 < dfused> lol
12:10 <@Dolemite> I can't attest that Dagmar either has or has not engaged in sexual intercourse
12:10 <@Dolemite> But given his age and amount of time spent with live-in girlfriends, odds are that it happened.
12:11 < _NSAKEY> Blasphemy! Do not soil our church leader's good name that way!
12:14 <@Dolemite> Church leader?  lol
12:15 <@NotLarry> Dolemite: you misspelled cult
12:15 <@Dolemite> NotLarry: Thanks, my mistake
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12:15 < fie> Activity
12:17 <@Dolemite> You want to talk about soiling the name, go read Howard Chaykin's comic series, "Black Kiss"...   or for the TL;DR, go here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Kiss
12:17 <@Dolemite> First sentence of Plot Synopsis
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12:18 <@benthemeek> Dolemite: A new religous movement formed around Dagmar when he got stuck in traffic and was late for his talk
12:18 <@benthemeek> there is this secret facebook group where various pictures are being posted with his name in memes
12:18 <@Dolemite> Well all I know is that whenever I see the name Dagmar, I think of the main character in Black Kiss, as that was the first time I'd ever heard the name
12:18 < dfused> ewll it WAS secret
12:19 <@benthemeek> It has 145 member already (supposed to be about forming a new atlanta con) but people just keep posting dagmar comments
12:19 <@Dolemite> benthemeek: Yes, I've seen the memes
12:19 < _NSAKEY> Dolemite: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1zy-Uvej-8COZghY12MCJNjM2u1yWiw-5v9oa0P-MqxU/edit
12:19 <@brimstone> what's this about an atlanta con?
12:19 <@Dolemite> I've been wondering what the real purpose of the group was
12:19 < dfused> wait ....what?
12:19 < _NSAKEY> Bits about the new Dagmar-based religion can be found there.
12:20 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: Is this group public enough that a non-facebook user can read some of the comments?
12:20 <@benthemeek> So long-haired dagmar went back to Atlanta after PhreakNIC and made a facebook group to talk about creating an Atlanta Con. Then several of our group started adding anyone who is part of the community to the group on facebook
12:21 <@benthemeek> _NSAKEY: No its a secret group (privacy setting)
12:21 <@benthemeek> you would have to create a fake alias
12:22 < _NSAKEY> You know what's funny about this?
12:22 <@benthemeek> A whole lot, but what did you mean?
12:22 < _NSAKEY> At around 2 AM on Saturday, Dagmar was telling me, oddball, and NoFault that next year for netkoth, we should create an elaborate storyline.
12:22 < _NSAKEY> He said something like, "It worked for Niantec."
12:23 < _NSAKEY> I also have that markov bot with his chats that I never deployed on the IRC server...
12:24 <@rattle> Can you name the bot Dagmore and tweak it to argue with him?
12:26 < _NSAKEY> rattle: Heh. I don't think this markov script will let you do that, but I could totally join it to this channel if nobody objects.
12:26  * rattle looks around.
12:26 <@rattle> Really?
12:26 <@rattle> Oh, hell yeah.  Some folks just want to see the world burn.
12:27  * rattle holds up a lighter.
12:28 < dfused> uhhhhhhh heheh  FIRE!
12:29 < _NSAKEY> rattle: I also suggested that since Dagmar was late both times he was supposed to appear in public, we should get Wilbur to pay entirely too much for a Dagmar stand-up.
12:29 < _NSAKEY> Wilbur just laughed at that idea.
12:29 < _NSAKEY> With all the Dagmar religion going on, we could probably get some nutty people in Atlanta to pay for it.
12:30 <@rattle> I wasn't at PhreaNIC, so I'm sorta just latching on to these jokes..
12:30 <@benthemeek> actually ... you were
12:30 <@benthemeek> I have you in several pictures
12:30 < _NSAKEY> The stand-up of you is missing an arm, by the way.
12:30 <@rattle> But, how can I not accept that Dagmar is our lord and savior?
12:30 < _NSAKEY> That didn't stop it from watching over the track 1 room.
12:30 <@rattle> Pictures, or it didn't happen.
12:31 <@benthemeek> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10153435507738509&set=pcb.10153435508863509&type=3&theater
12:31 <@benthemeek> from hacking101
12:31 <@benthemeek> There you are standing by the screen
12:31 <@rattle> I'm pretty sure I still have that hoodie somewhere.  I could potentially reprise the role.
12:31 <@rattle> Only I'm not fat anymore.  I lost alot of weight.
12:31 <@benthemeek> You are in every shot I got that day of Track1
12:32 < _NSAKEY> The only complaint we got re: stand-ups was in track 2.
12:32 <@benthemeek> Someone must of moved you in track2
12:32 < _NSAKEY> Laughing Boy's stand-up creeped out one of the speakers, and I was asked to turn it around.
12:32 <@benthemeek> haha, yeah poor kim
12:33 <@rattle> I could not possibly judge someone for being bothered by having a standup of me around while they were trying to give a talk.
12:33 <@rattle> .. or even simply take up space, breathe, etc..
12:34 < _NSAKEY> rattle: https://twitter.com/Nashville2600/status/662767278862241796
12:34 < _NSAKEY> Here's Laughing Boy: https://twitter.com/Nashville2600/status/662830077483343873
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12:36 <@rattle> I think Laughing Boy is more creapy than I am.
12:37 < _NSAKEY> Definitely.
12:37 <@rattle> I am genuinely bummed out I haven't been able to hit up any of the Nashville area hacking events in awhile.
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12:37 < _NSAKEY> There's no shortage of them these days.
12:38 < _NSAKEY> There seems to be an endless appetite for that sort of thing around here, these days.
12:38 < _NSAKEY> A lot of the ones I've been to sell out of otherwise exceed expectations, in terms of number of attendees.
12:39 < _NSAKEY> BSides sold out last year, and probably the year before that, with 250 people.
12:39 < _NSAKEY> Infosec Nashville kept adding tickets until they sold out 500.
12:40 < _NSAKEY> Can't remember any event names, but I've seen other local cons talk about selling all their available tickets.
12:45 <@rattle> What was the headcount for PhreakNIC this year?
12:48 < _NSAKEY> I've seen numbers ranging from 210 to 230.
12:49 < _NSAKEY> I was one of the people who was thinking a month ago that if we got 200, it would be a huge success.
12:49 < _NSAKEY> The thing with PN is, the old attendees are so used to things being done late that they didn't start registering until later.
12:51 < _NSAKEY> Less than 50 people registered before October.
12:51 < _NSAKEY> There are 171 line items in the attendees spreadsheet.
12:51 < _NSAKEY> Some of those people didn't show, of course. That happens.
12:51 < _NSAKEY> Still, 40 pre-reg on Friday was nice.
12:52 < _NSAKEY> People actually showed up early because we had content early on Friday.
12:52 < fie> telcobob?
12:52 < _NSAKEY> I didn't meet telco bob.
12:53 <@opticron> he was there
12:53 <@opticron> no groove machine, though
12:54 < _NSAKEY> I heard he was, but know nothing about him.
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12:55 <@opticron> he was greatly lacking in hair this year
12:55 < _NSAKEY> Then again, PN was so nuts that I needed all of the overrun badges Corydon made for me, just so I could be in multiple places at once.
12:55 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: alot of people didn't show til friday night because they don't want to take off work early
12:55 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: That's totally reasonable, but we still had people show up on Friday.
12:56 <@Evilpig> off to play some fallout now.  later
12:56 < _NSAKEY> My hashcat talk at 4 was standing room only in the back.
12:56 < _NSAKEY> I even had the "DRINK!" guy hand me a 40 during my talk.
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12:58 < _NSAKEY> Another subjective but also important metric is that people I talked to at both 18 and 19 seemed to have a lot more fun at 19.
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12:58 < _NSAKEY> That's not to say that everything went perfectly. We had speed bumps, and spent about 2 hours on Sunday talking about them before everything got loaded up and taken to Elonka's garage.
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12:59 < Healix|> I was impressed by the turn out will definatly attend next year
12:59 < _NSAKEY> Things went in the right direction, and that's what's important.
12:59 < _NSAKEY> Healix|: Are you one of the people who was told about this channel at the con?
13:00 < _NSAKEY> I know a few of us were telling people about this channel.
13:00 < Healix|> Yes. I beleive no fault told me. He was the guy who automated the windows box right?
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13:01 <@brimstone> Healix|: yup
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13:01 < _NSAKEY> His internet connection is like RangerZ's.
13:03 < Healix|> Bad?
13:04 < _NSAKEY> Healix|: Yup. NoFault automated the XP box, which fell into Jesse's rule of "If you get to a point of writing scripts... You're in danger of being asked not to play and to be on the blue team next year."
13:04 < _NSAKEY> That's a paraphrase of his drunken proclamation, anyway.
13:05 < Healix|> I enjoyed those drunken proclamations. I didn't understand the rules completely. For each defacement you got a point. Soo if your automating it very 6 minutes like no fault and it reset. Was he getting a point each time?
13:06 < _NSAKEY> The scoring box would ping each box every 60 seconds and add a point if someone's name was in the <team> tags.
13:06 < _NSAKEY> I don't know why he did 6 minutes. Probably the alcohol.
13:07 < _NSAKEY> brimstone reset the boxes every 5 minutes automatically, because he is a true BOFH.
13:07 < _NSAKEY> If you popped and defaced a box, then left it alone... You'd get 5 points, max, before it got reset.
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13:08 < _NSAKEY> If you looked at the score page, it had rules below, expressed in slightly more detail.
13:08 < Healix|> Ok got it. That's why he ran his script every 6 minutes. Because it would restart him getting points each reset.
13:09 < _NSAKEY> They were a mash-up of Irongeek's Network King of the Hill rules, and rootwarz rules from very early PhreakNICs.
13:09 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, but he would have been better off running the cron job more frequently.
13:10 < _NSAKEY> He probably missed enough points to make the difference in winning and losing by not running it more often.
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14:07 <@rattle> Dolemite: That CLERICS thing.  Yeah..  In awe.  Perfect.
14:07 <@rattle> All hail Dagmar.
14:10  * Dolemite pops open a sacramental beer
14:11 <@rattle> As I walk through the valley of security controls, I have no fear, as Dagmar is with me.
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14:14 <@rattle> As I pass the precipice of delivery in the kill chain, I know that I will see my way past explotation and instillation, experience the communion of command and control, and be able to act on my objectives in his good name.
14:14 <@rattle> Sudo.
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14:14 <@Dolemite> fork; fork -u
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14:56 <@rattle> Dagmar, please steady my hand as I inject your word into the stack at the memory location I have come to understand because of your good graces.
14:56 <@rattle> Sudo.
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15:36 <@benthemeek> rattle: I had a good belly laugh at you last
16:16 <@rattle> In my moment of latency, Dagmar, please preserve my UDP syslog traffic from being dropped, as I will need it to reconstruct adversary activity.
16:16 <@rattle> Sudo.
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17:08 <@rattle> As I move laterarly across systems, that only by his grace, I am able to access using phished credentials, I give the almighty Dagmar praise as I spread his word by leaving persistance mechanisms in my wake.
17:08 <@rattle> Sudo.
17:16 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar also scavenged a bunch of uneaten pizza from the group of kids whose parents kept going to the front desk and complaining about us. True story.
17:16 < _NSAKEY> That needs to make it into the budding parody religion surrounding him.
17:17 < _NSAKEY> They were godless heathens, who complained of our late-night merry-making.
17:17 < _NSAKEY> Their food was stolen in the black of night and given to the true believers.
17:17 < _NSAKEY> Sudo.
17:19 < Healix> I remember the day Dagmar saved the souls of pizza from the godless heathens.
17:19 < Healix> I'm so glad I can tell my children of the day
17:20 <@rattle> Sudo.
17:35 <@Mirage> i just love having to login and manually fix shit on almost 200 systems in an environment which uses puppet thanks to the the customer's development team writing shitty modules
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18:15 <@RangerZ> Mirage: 1 at a time?
18:15 < dfused> nice...mst3k may be coming back
18:15 <@RangerZ> dfused: yeah, problem is that they won't be MST3K'ing the GOP debates
18:15 <@RangerZ> -that- I would pay good money to see
18:15 < dfused> lol...now THAT would be pure awesome
18:15 < dfused> damn straight
18:16 <@RangerZ> though...
18:16 <@RangerZ> TYT did a pretty good job of making fun of them
18:16 <@RangerZ> their channel last night after the debate was funny
18:16 < dfused> yeah them and I think it was funny or die
18:16 <@RangerZ> they were laughing so hard some of them had tears in their eyes
18:17 <@RangerZ> apparently last night like 3 or 4 times they went off on ....
18:17 <@RangerZ> philosophers
18:17 < dfused> thems thining ppl are just dangerous
18:17 <@RangerZ> apparently someone tried to sell them all 'philosopher's stones'
18:17 < dfused> thinking
18:17 <@RangerZ> I like my joke better
18:17 <@RangerZ> lol
18:17 < dfused> heh
18:18 <@RangerZ> 2016 is the last possible year that Republicans could even -attempt- to win a national election
18:19 <@RangerZ> 50,000 hispanics (legal US born ones) turn 18 every month in the US
18:20 < dfused> deport em all
18:20 < dfused> taco loving commies
18:21 <@RangerZ> leave college students out of this you ass
18:21 <@RangerZ> lol
18:21 < dfused> hehe
18:23 < dfused> damn college kids.... bengazi is not a great guy
18:25 < dfused> oh damn!   just found an old drive that had some reallllly old backups on it.   found all sorts of albums I thought I'd lost
18:25 < dfused> jackpot
18:26 < dfused> time to drink massive quantities and play at ear piercing volumes
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20:15 < Healix> is it possible to be logged into irc from 2 locations? im using xchat
20:15 < Healix> google offered no help
20:20 <@oddball> Either use 2 user names, or use something like screen + irssi on a linux box and remote into that box for your irc needs.
20:21 < _NSAKEY> The second option is what I do.
20:21 <@oddball> Yep, same here
20:21 < _NSAKEY> Other people opt for setting up znc, but I never liked that.
20:21 < _NSAKEY> irssi or weechat + screen or tmux is nice.
20:23 <@oddball> Oh, and Dagmar failed to log out of his gmail account on my laptop,
20:23 <@opticron> yeah, screen+irssi for me
20:24 <@opticron> most of my friends have moved over to wechat
20:24 <@opticron> some to tmux instead of screen as well
20:24 < _NSAKEY> weechat vs irssi is just preference to me.
20:25 < _NSAKEY> weechat is perfectly fine, but I'm so used to the irssi workflow.
20:25 < _NSAKEY> The reason I like tmux over screen is because unless something's changed, screen is pretty stagnant as a project.
20:25 <@opticron> yeah
20:25 < _NSAKEY> One is just as easy to use as the other.
20:26 < _NSAKEY> I've been using tmux long enough that I'm not even sure I'd remember any screen commands without trial and error.
20:26 <@oddball> That's what man is for
20:27 < Healix> yea i'd like to move towards using irssi, just need to take the plunge, i've played with it for about 20 minutes or so, i really liked it. But i just got nix on my laptop and irssi was not the first thing that came to be xchat was
20:27 < Healix> but i'll play with irssi tomorrow, now for another dumb question
20:28 < _NSAKEY> Be sure to grab irssi-scripts, and look at themes.
20:28 < Healix> oddball you said ' remote into that box for your irc needs.' locally, remotely, and im assuming ssh. if its remotely that makes sense for loggin in from 2 locations (work  home etc)
20:28 < _NSAKEY> Healix: The idea is that you run irssi on a remote machine somewhere, inside a tmux or screen session.
20:29 < Healix> makes sense
20:29 < _NSAKEY> For example, my current IRC box is a very very low-end dedi in France. It gets used for other things, but IRC is one of them.
20:30 < Healix> i've clearly not been a long time linux user
20:30 <@oddball> Healix: Yeah... and it can be your local system for, say, home.  Just run irssi in a screen session, and you can connect to that session from wherever via ssh.
20:31 < _NSAKEY> There's also that.
20:31 <@oddball> The "server" I use for irssi and centerim (IM client) is also my file server at home.
20:32 <@opticron> same here
20:32 < _NSAKEY> I've never even heard of centerim. I just run bitlbee + irssi locally for IMing.
20:32 < _NSAKEY> Don't trust random "cloud" providers with my OTR keys.
20:33 < Healix> i feel, hesitant to ask a lot of 'operational details' questions. Don't want to pry, annoy, or expose what other people tdo
20:33 < _NSAKEY> Healix: Did you see my XMPP talk at PhreakNIC?
20:34 < Healix> i did not, i only saw your other one
20:34 < Healix> or hashcat
20:34 < _NSAKEY> The XMPP talk was a last-minute fill-in.
20:34 < _NSAKEY> One person asked me, essentially, about endpoints.
20:35 < _NSAKEY> My memory is hazy, but the response was essentially:
20:35 < Healix> well now that you mention it, clearly i should've went :)
20:36 < _NSAKEY> Endpoints are always the weakest link. If the NSA or some other agency like that wants you, you're owned. About all you can do is run stripped-down software that's been built with something like hardening-wrapper and if possible, connect via a tor hidden service so they can't figure out where to inject exploits into the traffic.
20:39 < _NSAKEY> If you're at the point where you have to start worrying about exploits being injected into traffic streams, it's probably time to disconnect everything and move to a cave.
20:41 < Healix> yea you should defininetly dump all of it anyhow
20:42 < _NSAKEY> I had a fun little scare involving those sorry bastards (The NSA) recently, and I'm not THAT worried about them yet.
20:42 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: centerIM used to be centerICQ.  It's a local client.  Now... which IM servers you tell it to connect to...
20:42 <@oddball> And I find it a hell of a lot easier to use that bitl.be for that purpose.
20:43 < _NSAKEY> One of Elonka's friends works for them, and he had agreed to speak. That was fine until I e-mailed him as _NSAKEY from root@abigisp.com... Then his handlers flipped out and told him he couldn't come, and it was made clear to me that they were going to figure out who I am.
20:43 < _NSAKEY> That was whatever until I ordered a new SSD a few days later... And it shipped from Baltimore.
20:44 < Healix> good job /me pats _NSAKEY's back
20:44 < Healix> damn it
20:44  * Healix lol
20:44 < Healix> thats how that command works
20:44  * Healix pats _NSAKEY's back
20:44 < _NSAKEY> It was (rightly) pointed out to me by a friend in PMs that drives get doored at the factory, and they don't even have to bother interdicting.
20:45 < _NSAKEY> About all they accomplished was giving me a funny story to tell at hacker cons.
20:47 < _NSAKEY> oddball: Bitlbee is a bit weird, but now that I've got it set the way I want I can't see walking away from it.
20:47 < _NSAKEY> If they start acting as dumb as the libpurple devs about things like security bugs, then I'll consider switching to something else.
20:59 <@oddball> Fair enough
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21:09 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/did-fbi-pay-university-attack-tor-users
21:09 <@Dagmar> blech
21:09 < Healix> damn it
21:10 < Healix> i was looking for that earlier to post lol
21:10 <@oddball> Dagmar: Did you check you email?
21:10 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I saw that. It's not the only shady story of a .gov going entirely too far with dragnet evil.
21:10 < _NSAKEY> The US government is really becoming a comic book villain in a lot of ways.
21:10 < Healix> it is not surprising
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21:10 <@Dagmar> I think we should ask John Bucy to write a complain email to CMU as an alum
21:11 <@Dagmar> That's _not_ a thing they should have been getting up to.
21:11 <@oddball> Shit. I haven't heard from that guy in years.
21:13 < Healix> i can 'understand' the FBI doing that, that's not the scary part. It's that students or an educational insitute or a human being, was ok in doing that
21:13 < Healix> well im sure they were lied to in saying 'terrists!'
21:13 < _NSAKEY> I'm curious to know the order in which things happened, but it really doesn't make CMU look good.
21:14 < _NSAKEY> I'd like to know where arma gets the $1 million payment claim, but that's practically window dressing.
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23:26 < _NSAKEY> http://www.centralfloridastampclub.org/pages/pics3/022015insa.pdf
23:27 < dfused> so it wasnt a stork after all
23:32 <@Dagmar> I find it somewhat indicative of the Postal Service's focus on buisness requirements that they know the baby who was illegally transported weighed fourteen pounds, but not the baby's name.
23:32 <@Dagmar> "Who cares what it's name is... That's fourteen pounds of baby, so it'll cost thirty-eight cents to mail."
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23:46 <@Catonic> anyone awake?
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23:49 <@Catonic> evenin
23:53  * oddball waves
23:54  * Catonic waves back
23:54  * Evilpig pisses on Catonic's leg
23:57  * Catonic feels ... warmly recieved.
23:57 <@oddball> Evilpig: By the way, there's a couple board member elections coming up.  Interested? :p
23:57 <@Evilpig> not particularly. but i'll be around to set some shit straight
23:58 <@Evilpig> btw I was playing fallout 4 earlier on twitch.tv/wilpig
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