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01:35 <@RangerZ> I'm pretty sure we do NOT
01:36 <@RangerZ> since ben isn't going to be going to any more 'stuff' until PN
03:23 < aestetix> how many pre-regss are there?
04:53 < aestetix> well that was smart
04:53 < aestetix> I just spent 20 minutes trying to figure out why a program wouldn't load
04:53 < aestetix> It turned out it was already running, just in the background :/
07:22 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:39  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
07:40 < aestetix> god damnoit
07:40 < aestetix> E: Package 'telnet' has no installation candidate
07:40 < aestetix> :/
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09:12 <@Dolemite> oddball: Ahem.  I don't think "being organized" is new.  Just something that hasn't been done for a while.
09:20 < aestetix> http://thefederalist.com/2015/10/19/3-problems-with-the-claim-men-dont-let-women-speak-clearly-in-meetings/
09:20 < PigBot> Title: 3 Problems With The Claim Men Dont Let Women Speak Clearly In Meetings (at thefederalist.com)
09:43 <@benthemeek> aestetix: 120 (that does count speakers though)
09:44 <@benthemeek> _NSAKEY: Elonka is speaking at GMX
09:45 <@benthemeek> Anyone ever gotten video/sound to work on linux in google hangouts? I have never tried but we had some technical difficulty for the meeting last night
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09:45 <@Mirage> never tried
09:45 < aestetix> benthemeek: wow
09:45 < aestetix> benthemeek: that's great
09:47 <@benthemeek> yes I think so, though I do have this apprehesion about "What if we build it, and they do not come?" Still even if just that number shows up it will still be pretty good though. I would love to pack all the speakers talks and make them feel appreaciated
09:50 <@Dolemite> If you have 120 pre-reg you'll likely have 225+ for the event.
09:50 < aestetix> I think the largest PN I went to was around 350
09:50 < aestetix> so that's damned good
09:51 <@Dolemite> Yeah, 350 was our high water mark
10:03 <@benthemeek> Well I think if we hit 250 there wont be much room left in the hotel
10:04 <@benthemeek> I dont think we will quite hit that though. Not this year. But if some of the things we are throwing at the wall stick I could see the reputation growing and the con growing
10:04 <@Dolemite> I think the Clarion could easily support 300 attendees
10:05 <@benthemeek> Something else we are doing is already announcing next years con at PhreakNIC this year, at the same hotel and first weekend of november. Hopefully with such huge advance notice people can already start thinking about it
10:05 <@Dolemite> Your problem will creep up when you have dual tracks (thereby halving your space) and one of them significantly more popular than the other
10:05 <@benthemeek> yeah there are ways to solve that I think
10:06 < aestetix> benthemeek: when do I get to interview Corydon?
10:07 < aestetix> I have a huge backlog of questions for him
10:09 <@benthemeek> aestetix: you should pm him and see if he will come back now that baghumbug is gone
10:10 < aestetix> he didn't like bahumbug?
10:14 <@benthemeek> I believe he left this channel because of a few things bahhumbug said to him, yes. Didn't want to deal with the negativity any more (can't blame him)
10:15 < aestetix> benthemeek: you should pm him :)
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10:52 <@oddball> Yeah... I'm not upset that we finally ran off bahhumbug.
10:52 <@Dolemite> That explains why it's so quiet in here
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11:38 <@Mirage> Heh, our security guy just got onto me for emailing a username/password to the group.
11:39 <@Mirage> The password in the email was "<redacted>"
11:43 <@Dolemite> attention span FTW!
11:44 <@oddball> That reminds me... I need to send a complaint to my mortgage company about their password requirements.
11:45 <@opticron> can you send one to t-mobile, too?
11:45 <@Dolemite> At least 17 characters, including a minimum of 3 Uppercase, 4 lowercase, 5 digits, and 2 special symbols that must be typed as Alt+NumPad?
11:45 <@oddball> 1. your password expires every 90 days, and you can't re-use your last 24 passwords.  I'm all for forcing people to change passwords, but that's damned fast for an account I log into exact once a month and can only pay my bill from.
11:46 <@opticron> t-mo keeps passwords in plaintext AND sets a maximum length of 15 characters
11:46 <@oddball> 2. They require special characters (ok, fine), but the system doesn't recognize - _ or . as special characters.
11:47 <@oddball> opticron: Hey, I used to have a dial up provider that required passwords to be between 6 and 8 characters.
11:47 <@opticron> wells fargo has an upper limit at 14 characters
11:51 <@oddball> This is so going into my presentation on 3d guns at PN: http://www.engadget.com/2015/10/19/3d-printed-handheld-railgun/
11:51 < PigBot> Title: Guy creates handheld railgun with a 3D-printer (at www.engadget.com)
11:51 <@opticron> yeah, I saw that
11:52 <@opticron> if he can build that, just imagine what someone with funding can build
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12:44 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: I'm still of the opinion that Google Hangouts needs to burn to the ground.
12:44 < _NSAKEY> I am NOT giving Google all my passwords etc on the small chance that they allow might Hangouts to work on Linux.
12:45 < _NSAKEY> Just for that alone, the entire team behind creating Hangouts can die of ebola as far as I'm concerned.
13:22 <@Mirage> Anyone used/tried one of these?  http://www.amazon.com/VIMVIP-Connection-Reader-Adapter-Mobile/dp/B00OEMZZNW/
13:46 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: Well, you want to set up a mumble server or something for the next time we do the conference call thing?
14:11 < frsilent> oddball: there's a new option, https://discordapp.com/ that is gaining popularity
14:11 < PigBot`> Title: Discord - Free Voice and Text Chat for Gamers (at discordapp.com)
14:11 < frsilent> looks like slack so far
14:11 <@benthemeek> _NSAKEY: I was thinking maybe of getting you that second old laptop and you could use it with some burner account or something if cuture
14:11 < frsilent> unfortunately no native linux client so far but it's "in development"
14:12 <@benthemeek> We will figure something out, but I am sure there is a way to let you on google hangouts with out giving out any real information
14:12 < _NSAKEY> oddball: I'd almost rather do that, yeah.
14:13 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: When you said burner, I thought you meant my phone.
14:13 < _NSAKEY> I don't know if I could make it work with the phreaknicburner account, but we could try that. I don't even have a chrome profile for it. That's how little I care about that account.
14:13 < _NSAKEY> Still, this amount of hoop-jumping is unacceptably annoying.
14:14 < _NSAKEY> The Hangouts team needs to be banished to the mail room, or janitorial duty.
14:14 < _NSAKEY> Let them scrub toilets until they quit and get a jobs at places like Burger King.
14:14  * opticron has no idea what the hangouts hullabaloo is all about
14:15 < _NSAKEY> opticron: A PhreakNIC planning meeting happened remotely last night, and it was done via Google Hangouts.
14:15 <@opticron> I assume that's an issue for those that refuse to have google accounts?
14:15 < _NSAKEY> The hangouts extension requires signing into chrome to work, and I am NOT doing that with an account I even remotely care about.
14:15 <@opticron> weird
14:16 < _NSAKEY> Well, it MIGHT work if I sign in. That part is unknown, but the voice and video stuff doesn't work on Linux.
14:16 < _NSAKEY> Since nobody was really typing except to paste links, it was a waste of time for me to be there, and I suspect it was probably a drag on the proceedings. So, I left.
14:18 < _NSAKEY> Like, if you just click on a hangouts link and you use Debian, you can only do typed messages.
14:18 < _NSAKEY> If the extension somehow magically allows everything to work, I wouldn't know.
14:19 < _NSAKEY> John E claimed he was using the extension and Linux, but he's probably using some distribution that's kinder to end users, like Ubuntu.
14:21 <@opticron> I had it working on debian last week
14:21 <@opticron> video and screen sharing and all
14:22 <@opticron> I'm also on sid
14:24 < aestetix> penis
14:27 < _NSAKEY> opticron: Did you have to do anything special?
14:27 <@opticron> nope
14:28 < _NSAKEY> I've never had a positive experience with anything involving microphones and linux.
14:29 < _NSAKEY> opticron: Do you apt-get purge pulseaudio like I do?
14:29 <@opticron> that's more on the device than anything else
14:29 < _NSAKEY> I refuse to deal with more of Poettering's code than I absolutely have to.
14:30 < _NSAKEY> Never had PulseAudio work 100%, so I purge it.
14:30 < _NSAKEY> The audio test that hangouts has played the sound just fine, but I still couldn't hear anyone.
14:36 < frsilent> _NSAKEY: I don't use pulseaudio either & firefox works with my mic phone
14:36 < frsilent> know it sounds basic too but I also had to explicitly enable my mic in alsamixer (archlinux)
14:37 < frsilent> that discordapp I linked earlier has been really useful for gaming with some friends & sharing files & text
14:40 < _NSAKEY> frsilent: I had zero interest in using my mic, but couldn't hear other people.
14:40 < _NSAKEY> I can type faster than I can talk, so that wasn't even a concern.
14:42 < frsilent> ah gotcha, well the voice quality for me (again without installing anything else) was very good on that discordapp
14:43 < frsilent> I don't have a vested interest in it but just wanted to vouch for them since it worked so well
14:43 < frsilent> didn't look at what codec it was using but I think it was speex or something similar like mumble/ts
14:43 < _NSAKEY> I've gotten mumble to work before, but had to mess with the settings after any reboot.
14:43 < _NSAKEY> Then again, that was back in the Debian Squeeze days.
14:46 < frsilent> I also liked about discord was that somebody sent me a link for a chatroom & no auth was required
14:50 <@Dagmar> Mumble works _really_ well when the clients are behaving properly
14:50 <@Dagmar> The Windows build of it used to be really bad about picking the wrong damn devices to listen to
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14:51 <@Dagmar> Way superiour to TS/Vent when it works tho
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14:58 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I had to change the audio device and mess with alsa settings every time back in the squeeze days.
14:58 < _NSAKEY> It got to the point where I screencapped alsamixer so I knew where to set everything.
14:58 <@Dagmar> That was pretty much the same for everything that used alsa tho
14:59 <@Dagmar> What pissed me off was that the default install of Win7 literally had it listening to the wrong damn virtual devices.  I'd get a _feedback howl_ in a heartbeat
14:59 < _NSAKEY> Can't remember if I had to do that with PulseAudio, but it didn't matter since PulseAudio didn't work correctly no matter how I set things.
15:00 < _NSAKEY> That was around the time I added "apt-get purge pulseaudio" as one of the first lines to my "upgrade and install all my packages after a fresh install" script.
15:01 <@benthemeek> ls
15:07 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: How creeped out would you be if I started pasting the ls output of your /home dir right now?
15:07 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/TroutAmbush/status/655936207944192000
15:07 < PigBot`> Title: TroutAmboosh on Twitter: "this is a pretty good three-tweet story http://t.co/ZeaCItZOKw" (at twitter.com)
15:08 <@Dagmar> Lol who would have thought they couldn't be trusted?!?! http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/10/19/164218/despite-promises-china-still-targeting-us-firms
15:08 < PigBot`> Title: Despite Promises, China Still Targeting US Firms - Slashdot (at yro.slashdot.org)
15:09 < frsilent> lol just saw that
15:10 < frsilent> _NSAKEY: I resisted the urge myself to respond with some fake files/dirs myself
15:13 < _NSAKEY> Oh, I could have given him something real.
15:13 < _NSAKEY> I have ssh access to the raspberry pi at his house.
15:13 < _NSAKEY> It was tempting.
15:16 < frsilent> so I've spent this entire day waiting to hear on a PR review
15:17 < frsilent> exciting =\
15:20 <@Mirage> http://www.lowes.com/pd_670235-80668-37709_1z0vjd3Z1z0vwbf__?productId=999915099
15:20 < PigBot`> Title: Shop Gemmy 3.97-ft Animatronic Lighted Musical Fish Christmas Inflatable at Lowes.com (at www.lowes.com)
15:26 <@benthemeek> _NSAKEY: very freaked out
15:26 <@benthemeek> too many windows open here :P
15:28 < aestetix> vagina
15:29 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: You should come to PhreakNIC this year.
15:34 < aestetix> why?
15:36 <@benthemeek> heh, make that 138 attendees so far ;)
15:37 < aestetix> benthemeek: how long until PN happens?
15:39 <@Dagmar> Nov 6
15:41 < aestetix> wow the PN lineup looks great
15:44 <@benthemeek> I think the hotel just sold out ;)
15:44 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: So why aren't you booking a plane ticket?
15:44 <@benthemeek> still waiting on that. But there are 7 hotels on the same street in walking distance
15:44 <@Dagmar> I'll believe it when I see it
15:45 <@Dagmar> Unless we have an event collision, it's highly unlikely
15:45 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: send me money and I will
15:45 <@benthemeek> Dagmar, there probaly is alot of other booking for other events
15:45 <@Dagmar> 'cuz we've certainly never had a hotel mistakenly tell people they're out of rooms before.
15:46 < _NSAKEY> Holy shit.
15:46 <@benthemeek> Tilghman just called and they said they are out of rooms, but we dont know why that is. Might be other events in town
15:46 <@benthemeek> still there are lots of hotels in walking distance
15:46 < _NSAKEY> I just realized how long it's been since I looked at the attendees spreadsheet.
15:46 < aestetix> benthemeek: call him back and tell him to come into IRC
15:46 < aestetix> he can confirm it
15:46 <@benthemeek> lol
15:47 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: That place was 179 rooms total. It was a ghost town when we did the walkthrough. That's more rooms than registered attendees.
15:47 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: apparently not by much
15:47 <@benthemeek> okay clarification: there are 13 rooms left but they are being held only for people who use our code by voice
15:47 <@Dagmar> Toldja
15:47 <@benthemeek> so if you try and book online like some have it wont work
15:48 < aestetix> benthemeek: you should post a news update that the hotel is almost sold out, it will generate frenzy.
15:48 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: Listen to aestetix.
15:48 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: Want me to tweet that?
15:48 < frsilent> still sad I can't make it :(
15:48 <@benthemeek> Yeah we probaly will, let me check the wording on that with the group
15:48 < aestetix> Oh also....
15:48 < frsilent> will they upload most talks to youtube at least?
15:49 <@Dagmar> Don't tweet it ebcause my lazy ass won't get around to making a reservation until this wekeend
15:49 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: The last time I looked at this spreadsheet, there were 100 fewer names on it.
15:49 <@benthemeek> yes, all talks recorded and put on youtube
15:49 < aestetix> I recommend picking a date and announcing you'll cut off online presales then
15:50 <@benthemeek> If we hit 250 we run out of our cool swag item. That would be more than I expected
15:50 < _NSAKEY> I think this year's cool swag item is going to be the root cause of a lot of mayhem this year.
15:50 < aestetix> Maybe a couple weeks before the con, you should "close" presales on the website, but have a blip saying that there are limited tickets available at the door and by request, and give them an email to request tickets at.
15:51 < aestetix> It creates a sense of scarcity and will make them feel special ;)
15:51 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I said this like 3 planning meetings ago, except in more Machiavellian terms.
15:51 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: "What's a screwdriver look like, officer?  I've never used one before."
15:52 <@Dagmar> Just say it over and over until you can do it without giggling
15:52 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: a few years ago the CCC put out a news item saying that all non-EU passports would be guranteed admission.
15:52 < aestetix> After they put that out, they wound up selling out.
15:53 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I'm going to stick to avoiding things like elevators and other areas at a high risk for unauthorized experimentation.
16:33 < _NSAKEY> http://nypost.com/2015/10/18/stoner-high-school-student-says-he-hacked-the-cia/
16:33 < PigBot`> Title: Teen says he hacked CIA directors AOL account | New York Post (at nypost.com)
16:54 < aestetix> ...
16:54 < aestetix> I hope he means John Brennan
16:58 < aestetix> oh boy
16:58 < aestetix> who wants to play with a loaded gun?
16:58 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/hashtag/BoycottStarWarsVII?src=tren
16:58 < PigBot`> Title: #BoycottStarWarsVII hashtag on Twitter (at twitter.com)
17:00 < aestetix> http://www.gossipcop.com/star-wars-boycott-episode-7-anti-white-twitter-trend-force-awakens/
17:01 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: What if we want to boycott the new Star Wars movie because we never cared that much for the series to begin with?
17:01 < aestetix> I think this is a troll.
17:01 < aestetix> If so, it is fucking hilarious.
17:02 < _NSAKEY> It's hilarious anyway.
17:02 < _NSAKEY> I don't get why a movie series that prominently features non-human characters is getting flak from anyone because it has non-white actors.
17:02 < _NSAKEY> It's so utterly stupid that it pretty much has to be a troll.
17:03 < aestetix> it's great watching these SJWs foam at the mouth
17:04 < aestetix> I just sent that link to weev
17:05 < aestetix> this is gonna be fun
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17:51 <@oddball> Why do I have a feeling that there are more folks decrying the boycott than those actually calling for it?
17:58 <@ShadowHntr> ?
18:00 < _NSAKEY> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-34556644
18:00 < PigBot`> Title: Target stores attacked by pornographic pranksters - BBC News (at www.bbc.com)
18:00 < _NSAKEY> This would have been a lot better if they had announced steep discounts over the PA, instead of playing porn audio.
18:02 <@oddball> ShadowHntr: Apparently there are folks calling for a boycott of the new Star Wars flicks because there are black people in it.
18:03 <@oddball> I'm guessing the number of folks doing so total to 3.
18:11 <@ShadowHntr> oddball: 3 people boycotting? i don't think they're going to get anywhere :P
18:11 <@oddball> but they've got a lot of press due to the outrage that they're outraged.
18:23 <@benthemeek> outraged people are outraged
18:35 <@ShadowHntr> yeah sounds like typical nutjobs to me
18:45 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: You better get unlazy NOW. The stuff about the hotel got tweeted out, and not by me.
18:45 <@oddball> The hotel?
18:52 < _NSAKEY> Yup.
18:52 < _NSAKEY> Less than 10 rooms.
18:52 < _NSAKEY> If you guys haven't gotten a room, now's the time to get off your asses and do so.
18:53 <@oddball> ah
18:54 <@oddball> yeah... I was complaining to my mom the other day that a very large percentage of our members just show up expecting to get a room.
18:56 < _NSAKEY> They're going to be in for a rude awakening this year. PhreakNIC's not formless anarchy this year.
18:57 < _NSAKEY> The sheer number of tracks is going to create some logistical burdens.
18:57 <@oddball> Yeah... I've told people we're trying this new thing called "being organized" this year.
18:57 < _NSAKEY> It's not going to be perfect.
18:58 < _NSAKEY> Especially since this is, at the very least, the first year in a long time PhreakNIC has had things like organization and planning.
18:58 <@oddball> Oh, those running a con should be working their asses off at the con.
18:58 < _NSAKEY> I'm not trying to throw rocks at previous organizers who aren't named SkyDog, but Elonka is an excellent cat herder.
18:59 <@oddball> yep
19:17 <@oddball> Ok... so less than 10 rooms left at the hotel?  Here's hoping it's us that's filling it up.  That would be awesome.
19:18 <@oddball> If nothing else, not sharing the hotel with a teen soccer team would be nice.
19:21 < _NSAKEY> oddball: My understanding is that the rooms that were left were being held only for people using our group code.
19:21 < _NSAKEY> There are 179 rooms at that place, so I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that a good portion of them will be populated by normals.
19:22 < _NSAKEY> Also, the Clarion is about the last place I would expect to see a soccer mom, unless she was carrying out an affair in one of the rooms.
19:22 <@benthemeek> *smh*
19:22 <@benthemeek> Its a mid range hotel.
19:23 < _NSAKEY> It looks a lot worse on the outside than on the inside.
19:23 <@benthemeek> of the 9 on that little road it and the holiday inn are considered the better options
19:24 <@benthemeek> I thought that was interesting
19:24 < _NSAKEY> You're not going to have nice hotels in murfreesboro unless you go around exit 76.
19:25 <@benthemeek> I think some other in town event sold some rooms, but that just means who ever is at the registration desk needs to ask people as they check in if they got a room and in which hotel
19:25 < _NSAKEY> The further from Nashville you go, the worse they are.
19:25 <@benthemeek> we will know if we need bigger room blocks next year
19:25 < _NSAKEY> You can go to the exit at 231 and find places that need to be burned and never rebuilt, like the Safari Inn.
19:25 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: Last year that we were at that hotel, there was a soccer team there.
19:26 <@benthemeek>  I wish we could of sold out the courtyard
19:26 <@oddball> Yeah... that would be nice.
19:26 <@benthemeek> the fact that it IS sold out will probaly mean we will need to keep the noise down in the main atrium after 10
19:26 <@oddball> Unfortunately, step 1 is getting folks to actually reserve rooms.
19:26 <@benthemeek> so everything will definitly need to be in the ball room
19:27 <@benthemeek> I am actually surposed we sold so many rooms. so many are locals I just figured they would drive
19:28 <@oddball> Well, I think, just based on the pre-reg's, that we've got a lot of the out of towners that decided to skip last year.
19:31 <@benthemeek> I hope that means NAGA will have steady group.
19:35 <@oddball> It would be nice to have people actually play the games.
19:35 <@oddball> That's why I haven't been real enthused about actually setting up gaming stuff.  Nobody ever seems to actually play them.
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19:51 <@oddball> Oh, so I guess I should mention here that I'd be interested in going to the range with folks the weekend of con.
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20:05 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: https://twitter.com/ErrataRob/status/656258211561926656
20:05 < PigBot`> Title: Rob Zombie Graham on Twitter: "Id estimate that for every serious #BoycottStarWarsVII tweet there are 1000 tweets outraged over it." (at twitter.com)
20:07 <@oddball> Sounds about right.
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21:53 < wsmith> knock knock
22:00 <@ShadowHntr> moo
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23:16 <@Dagmar> Strykar: You'll also need to boot from a liveCD or something because you can't resize a filesystem you currently have mounted
23:16 <@Dagmar> !@#$@$
23:27 <@oddball> Seems to happen at least once a day.
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