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00:27 <@Dagmar> dahell
00:28 <@Dagmar> John McAfee is actually considering running for President?
00:28 <@Dagmar> I'd question his sobriety, but we already know he's into some strange-ass pharma
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01:42 <@northrup> John McAfee... LOL... that's rich
01:49 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking he'd probably sign on with the insane-o Republican ticket and fit in just fine
01:50 <@Dagmar> I also heard that Lawrence Lessig is considering running
01:50 <@Dagmar> I'd like to maybe see him as a VP.
01:50 <@Dagmar> He's absolutely smart enough
01:51 <@Dagmar> ...but at the moment I think we _desperately_ need Sanders if we're going to have any chance of avoiding economic meltdown.
01:51 <@northrup> Lessig said he wants to run and if elected he has an agenda - once agenda complete he resigns. Heh
01:52 <@Dagmar> Well, looking back at history, there's a good chance Sanders will get shot.
01:52 <@Dagmar> So... then we'd get two thinking presidents for the price of one.
01:52 <@northrup> Haha! True enough
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07:53 <@brimstone> when's the CFP close?
08:08 < Evilpig_> brimstone: you're asking the wrong people
08:08 < Evilpig_> Pretty sure it's still common thought that i'm undermining their planning
08:10 <@brimstone> then you of all people should know when it officially closes
08:17 < Evilpig_> in that case, it closed two weeks ago. sorry
08:25 < _NSAKEY> Hahaha.
08:25 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig_: I think that theory is now firmly out of fashion.
08:26 < _NSAKEY> brimstone: If you've got something you want to talk about, I'm the speaker director this year. Just send an e-mail to phreaknicburner@gmail.com.
08:28 <@brimstone> not speakers@nashville2600.org like the website instructs?
08:28 < _NSAKEY> You could do that, but that adds extra steps.
08:29 < _NSAKEY> Nobody's seen fit to give me access to that e-mail account.
08:29 <@brimstone> how goes the CFP so far?
08:29 < _NSAKEY> You could e-mail both if you want.
08:29 < _NSAKEY> We've got a little over 20 slots filled.
08:29 <@brimstone> i will, and Evilpig_ for good measure
08:29 < Evilpig_> email account.  pfffft. I made that thing a private list.  email that hit addresses like that went to several people
08:29 <@brimstone> how many total slots?
08:30 < _NSAKEY> brimstone: That's floated upward. Originally my magic number was 20, then 25, now "up to 40."
08:31 <@brimstone> ok good, so the longer i wait, the greater my chances of being accepted
08:31 < _NSAKEY> They want to do two tracks this year.
08:31 < _NSAKEY> This is PhreakNIC. As long as your talk isn't "drooling into the microphone by brimstone," you're good.
08:32  * brimstone crosses out that talk idea
08:32 < Evilpig_> I'd watch that
08:32 <@brimstone> "Now with heavy breathing!"
08:35 < Evilpig_> i'd need to go sans-pants for that
08:39 <@brimstone> _NSAKEY: add that to the description, pants not recommended
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12:12 < Evilpig_> damnit.  doesn't rangerz have internet at work?
12:12 < Evilpig_> did he piss them off too?
12:18 < _NSAKEY> Probably.
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13:16 < RangerZ> well comcast is still fucking psycho, but whatever, I gots me some stable internet (hopefully)
13:16 < RangerZ> some contractor put a series of splitters daisy chained in a row in the splitter box outside
13:16 < RangerZ> yeah... wonder why signal was bad... :/
13:26 < _NSAKEY> So that IronGeek drama from last week is still raging on.
13:27 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/HackingDave/status/641663720184266752
13:27 < PigBot`> Title: Dave Kennedy (ReL1K) on Twitter: "We sponsor BSIDES all over the country including CLE, LV, and countless others. That just came to a screeching halt today." (at twitter.com)
13:27 < _NSAKEY> This was after BSides LV announced that they would be getting a new videographer from now on.
13:31 < aestetix> what happened?
13:31 < aestetix> wait, over the mangina comment?
13:32 < _NSAKEY> Yes.
13:32 < _NSAKEY> Let me find the announcement.
13:32 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/BSidesLV/status/641634463877857281
13:32 < PigBot`> Title: BSides Las Vegas on Twitter: "Official Statement from the #BSidesLV BoD, regarding our (former) videographer. http://t.co/CKJbqpm1b0" (at twitter.com)
13:33 < aestetix> oh jesus
13:33 < RangerZ> I'm personally not a huge fan of his video practices
13:33 < RangerZ> putting his name plastered on every video, etc
13:34 < aestetix> RangerZ: because nobody else does that.
13:34 < aestetix> I'm guessing something beyond what I asw on twitter happened.
13:34 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Wesley McGrew has had problems with some of the DerbyCon people for a while. No clue what it's actually about.
13:34 < RangerZ> he's got a personality like aestetix's to some degree, I'm SURE that no one has any issues with him
13:34 < _NSAKEY> I just know that him and @purehate_ dislike each other strongly.
13:36 < RangerZ> so the only reason I have the twitter name I do is b/c 'righteousindignation' is too long of a name for twitter, lol
13:36 < RangerZ> hehe
13:37 < Evilpig_> oh sheesh
13:38 < _NSAKEY> I would say this qualifies as bigger drama than PN18, simply because of the domino effect it's going to have across the country.
13:38 < RangerZ> yeah
13:38 < RangerZ> PN18 was just localized to mid TN
13:38 < _NSAKEY> This could actually mess up BSides Nashville next year, because they use IronGeek for videography.
13:39 < Evilpig_> several cons use him for that.  I personally didn't like him branding the pn videos the year he helped out
13:39 < _NSAKEY> Several? A LOT of cons use him for that.
13:39 < RangerZ> Evilpig_: thats what I just said , lol
13:39 < Evilpig_> RangerZ: you motherfucker
13:40 < Evilpig_> where the fuck have you been?
13:40 < Evilpig_> god damn.
13:40 < RangerZ> internet has been out
13:40 < Evilpig_> fix it
13:40 < RangerZ> some fucking twat contractor fucked up the comcast box outside
13:40 < Evilpig_> https://goo.gl/photos/uzB1dkxdUNMoCL6AA
13:40 < RangerZ> put a 'series of splitters in daisy chain'
13:41 < RangerZ> its fixed now
13:41 < RangerZ> you got your FTP fixed?
13:41 < Evilpig_> no.  I should do that
13:43 < RangerZ> just let me know when it is
13:44 < aestetix> What happens to Derby con?
13:44 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Nothing.
13:44 < Evilpig_> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/k4957vj7gs0rbiq/AAAP2MxnKUDcbU9n49vn8CSXa?dl=0
13:44 < Evilpig_> RangerZ: ^
13:44 < _NSAKEY> The drama centers around Wes McGrew and some DerbyCon people, including IronGeek.
13:44 < _NSAKEY> Their videography needs will continue to be met, I'm sure.
13:45 < RangerZ> Evilpig_: the file I was trying to upload has _every_ amiibo data
13:45 < Evilpig_> ahh.  these are mine
13:45 < RangerZ> sorted by series, etc
13:46 < RangerZ> other than shovel night, and the huge 8bit marios which aren't out anywhere in the world yet
13:46 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Other than that, I guess DerbyCon will not be known as a "safe space" or whatever.
13:46 < Evilpig_> i'll see about fixing that upload later
13:47 < aestetix> I gotta say
13:47 < aestetix> It seems that Irongeek failed PR 101
13:48 < Evilpig_> don't engage the public, ever?
13:48 < _NSAKEY> Apologizing is pretty much admitting failure, but definition.
13:48 < _NSAKEY> s/but/by/
13:49 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: not really, you just have to then say "i found christ" and all is forgiven
13:50 < RangerZ> it can -literally- be a "get out of jail free" card
13:50 < _NSAKEY> Hahahahaha, but you can only hide behind Jesus so many times in that exact capacity before having to switch tactics.
13:50 < _NSAKEY> Maybe changing to, "I have sinned in the eyes of our savior" or some permutation thereof would work, I don't know.
13:50 < RangerZ> mohamad
13:50 < RangerZ> ?
13:50 < RangerZ> vishnu?
13:50 < _NSAKEY> I think that would make the situation worse in the bible belt.
13:50 < RangerZ> ju ju on the mountain?
13:50 < RangerZ> lol
13:51 < RangerZ> Flying Spaghetti Monster?
13:51 < _NSAKEY> FSM is what you break out when you want to say "sorry not sorry" in more words.
13:52 < RangerZ> reminds me of when I was like 9 and my mom told me to "apologize" to my aunt for calling her stupid
13:52 < RangerZ> apparently I said "I'm sorry that you are stupid"
13:53 < RangerZ> my mom later told me that she almost started crying from holding back her laughter so hard
13:53 < RangerZ> I don't remember this at all, but ehh
13:53 < aestetix> lol
13:54 < _NSAKEY> It's really the only correct response in that situation.
13:55 < RangerZ> the only headache I've ever had that wasn't caused by sinus pressure was when I was like 12 and I had to spend the day over her house, because the idiocy of everything literally wore on my mind
13:55 < aestetix> I saw FSM and thought finite state machinee
13:55 < RangerZ> aestetix: thats why I didn't abbreviate it, lol
13:58 <@oddball> bwahaha! http://gizmodo.com/this-cisco-design-flaw-is-so-bad-its-almost-unbelievab-1729556726
13:58 < PigBot`> Title: This Cisco Design Flaw Is So Bad, Its Almost Unbelievable (at gizmodo.com)
14:06 <@sasquatc4> wow tivo at it again, same dvr patents, going after samsung and cellphones now
14:12 < RangerZ> I swear to god... if I ever run for congress... thats the first shit i'd fix
14:13 < RangerZ> i'd move to have almost a tech patents confiscated by the fed. gov't and make them unenforceable
14:13 < RangerZ> just like the patents on airplanes
14:13 < RangerZ> the ONLY reason Boeing, locked martin, etc... exists
14:14 < RangerZ> US had 0 military aircraft in during ww1 while every other country did, b/c the wright brothers' patents prevented any competition
14:15 < RangerZ> so gov't said (until 1970s) that all patents related to airplanes are 'nadda' for now
14:28 < Evilpig_> RangerZ: try now.  it should be fixed
14:28 < Evilpig_> had a file locking problem
14:38 < RangerZ> when I get home and my desktop re-setup I'll upload it
14:49 < Evilpig_> RangerZ: what's the point in the locking / unlocking?
14:50 < RangerZ> honestly, I'm not quite sure
14:50 < Evilpig_> fwiw I have all 21 of mine loaded in now
14:51 < Evilpig_> I wish there was a way to see which one is actually queued up to be active
14:51 < RangerZ> problem is cycling through them in order
14:51 < RangerZ> yeah
14:51 < Evilpig_> ike is the one that I'd use the most mobile and he's in position #1 so that will help
15:03 < _NSAKEY> Hahaha. I just realized that the guy pulling funding from BSides cons across the country (@HackingDave) owns TrustedSec, which employs IronGeek.
15:04 < _NSAKEY> That just made the shitshow funnier.
15:25 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/irongeek_adc/status/640695915368554497
15:25 < PigBot`> Title: Nͣͥͬͩͣ̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂ on Twitter: "I am admittedly an asshole, but I work for free to help those who want to learn. Bring on your political grievances bitches." (at twitter.com)
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15:51 < Evilpig_> a....mazing..
15:51 < Evilpig_> useless fucking fucks
15:52 < Evilpig_> I swear.  you want to be taken seriously and tell me you know how to do this job but you can't figure out how to set the IP address for an oob management controller?
15:52 < Evilpig_> did you even look in the bios you dumb cunt?!
15:52 < Evilpig_> do you know what the fuck an ip is?
15:52 < Evilpig_> jesus!
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16:24 < RangerZ> hahaha
16:24 < RangerZ> comcast lost my modem info agian
16:24 < RangerZ> again*
16:25 < RangerZ> so no worries about going over the 'cap'
16:30 <@Dagmar> Hey, you're back online!
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17:40 < RangerZ> 1080$ USD for ipad pro with 128GB w/cellular
17:40 < RangerZ> haha
17:41 < RangerZ> they are basically just saying "companies should buy this" (and not care about the price)
17:54 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: What's the display resolution?
17:55 < _NSAKEY> I could see some weird marketing that consists of something like "1080p ipad for $1080!!!"
17:55 < RangerZ> 2.5kx2k or so
17:55 < RangerZ> yeah 1080$ was an odd choice
17:55 < _NSAKEY> I said this in another channel.
17:56 < _NSAKEY> Whenever Apple does these events, tech savvy people tend to make fun of them.
17:56 < _NSAKEY> Then, Apple proceeds to count pallets of unmarked $100 bills.
17:56 < RangerZ> nah, not making fun, just saying how they obviously know their market
17:58 < RangerZ> aestetix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAWXPt42M1U you'll appreciate this, about FDR and his 4 freedoms which were his guiding principles, which led ended up guiding both the liberal and conservative paths for the .... well until now still.... (conservative fear of the 4 principles, leading to the idea of 'business being required' for society)
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19:21 < aestetix> Evilpig_: do you use puppet at all?
19:22 < Evilpig_> personally, no
19:22 < Evilpig_> our infrastructure is heavily using puppet
19:29 < aestetix> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COenroJWEAAjLoi.jpg:large
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19:52 < aestetix> Hmm. I have to say, after talking with Meredith, I agree with their decision to cut Irongeek loose.
19:52 < aestetix> Not because I think he said anything bad, but because the drama involved a video from BSides, it was tarnishing their brand.
19:56 < aestetix> They didn't ban him from the event or anything. Or mention him by name. I respect that.
20:02 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: What actually happened with the video?
20:02 < _NSAKEY> I didn't catch that part.
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20:55 <@brimstone> i didn't catch that this comic is 3 years old http://hijinksensue.com/comic/surface-tension/
21:08 <@Dagmar> ...and the sad truth remains, that no one who matters uses a keyboard that is totally flat unless they have no other choice at all.
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21:32 <@rattle> I've actually been using a Surface recently as one of my burners and I like it.
21:33 < aestetix> rattle: what's your new job?
21:33 <@rattle> Senior Cybersecurity Advisor, Council on Foreign Relations.  I'm acting in the capacity of CISO.
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21:34 < aestetix> Wait, which counscil?
21:34 < aestetix> er, council
21:34 <@rattle> THE Council on Foreign Relations.
21:34 < aestetix> Interesting.
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21:35 < aestetix> In that case I should link you to the conference in Vienna I'm helping with. Lemme grab the URL
21:36 < aestetix> http://www.identityworkshop.eu/
21:36 < PigBot`> Title: European Workshop for Trust & Identity - Overview (at www.identityworkshop.eu)
21:38 <@rattle> Neat.
21:38 < aestetix> You should come :)
21:40 <@rattle> Unlikely, unfortunately.  However, if you want to pay my way I might be able to bend some schedules.. :)
21:40 < aestetix> Since you know, it is foreign relations
21:41 <@rattle> Vienna does sound fun.
21:41 < aestetix> If it goes well, we're planning for one in the spring in Brussels.
21:42 <@rattle> I don't have any identity policy related stuff even remotely on my plate right now, and a ton of core mission stuff to be focusing on.
21:42 <@rattle> I was going to be at ArchCon this week but had to blow that off..
21:43 < aestetix> Isn't trust a big part of cybersecurity?
21:43 <@rattle> Of course.
21:44 <@rattle> But at the moment, I'm barely involved with the US-China relations stuff, and that's sorta my thang.  Can't spread too thin.
21:44 < aestetix> Oh fun. Are you dealing with the OPM hack at all?
21:45 <@rattle> No directly involvement in that.
21:45 <@rattle> Following, but I don't have any inside visibility or anything like that.  Mostly just cursing from the sidelines.
21:45 < aestetix> When did you start?
21:46 <@rattle> I'm in week three.  Just transitioning now from full-time firehose drinking to making new initiatives move.
21:47 < _NSAKEY> rattle: When will you get to talk about that job at PhreakNIC?
21:48 <@rattle> I would like to make it to PhreakNIC this year.  In terms of talking about my job, unlikely on-the-record.  Over beers maybe.
21:48 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, I totally understand that.
21:48 <@rattle> We've got all sorts of rules..  All well thought out.
21:49 < aestetix> How the hell did you get that gig?
21:49 <@rattle> They called me.
21:49 <@rattle> No joke.
21:50 < aestetix> Maybe you can also help to unfuck US computer crime law
21:50 <@rattle> I've worked with CFR on cyber related stuff for years.  They heard I left Bit9, and rang me up and offered me a position.
21:51 < aestetix> So are you moving back to DC?
21:52 <@rattle> There is a group of security industry folks working on cyber crime law reform..  Rapid7 is the one sorta running lead, but there are many folks involved.
21:52 < aestetix> Yeah, I'm on the wassener list
21:52 <@rattle> No.  I'm staying in the Boston area.  Currently, I'm bouncing back and forth between Boston/NYC/DC as necessary.  Mostly NYC.
21:54 < aestetix> Maybe you can help get me off watch lists
21:55 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I don't think anything short of a solar storm over the United States is going to fix that for you.
21:56 < aestetix> Well maybe rattle can put in a handjob for me in the right place or something
21:56 <@rattle> You've got to be kidding me.. :)
21:56 <@rattle> Dealing with me gets you _on_ watchlists, not off.. :)
21:58 <@northrup> Bwahahaha
21:59 <@rattle> I am really loving my job.  First time I've walked into an org that wasn't a complete security shitshow.
21:59 <@rattle> On both a physical and cyber level, CFR is pretty god damn tight.  My job is to take it to the next level, rather than unfuck a clusterfuck.
21:59 < aestetix> rattle: just wait for Putin to decide to poke China.
22:00 <@rattle> He did last week, but more in the Facebook teehee sorta way.
22:01 < aestetix> Or maybe he'll encourage Germany to kick Greece out of the EU, and while things are unstable pick up a balkan country or two
22:01 <@rattle> You've been playing Risk too much. :)
22:02 < aestetix> Well life in Berlin feels like Risk sometimes.
22:02 < aestetix> For obvious reasons.
22:03 < aestetix> The US has it wrong. It's not just blacks vs whites. It's germans vs poland vs france vs russia vs the us
22:03 <@rattle> Ok, I stand corrected, you've been playing Civilization too much.  :)
22:03 < aestetix> Everyone seems to hate each other.
22:04 <@rattle> Spent some time traveling around Asia sometime...  Heh.
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