--- Log opened Sun Sep 06 00:00:53 2015 01:14 < RangerZ> well lets see if I go home and magically have internet :/ 01:14 < RangerZ> otherwise night 01:15 <@northrup> ummm 01:15 <@northrup> are we taking bets? 01:15 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: I bet comcast would speed up their service of your ticket if you smashed your local office up with a hammer, like that elderly granny did several years back. 01:16 <@northrup> I like where _NSAKEY's head is at! 01:19 -!- RangerZ [~mike@DHCP-129-59-122-54.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:34 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 01:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 01:35 <@RangerZ> those sons of bitches 01:35 <@northrup> is that a "those sons of bitches, I have internet" 01:35 <@northrup> or a "those sons of bitches, I'm on my hot spot because I don't have internet" 01:36 <@RangerZ> that I have internet 01:36 <@RangerZ> and "its not our equipment, it might be the line" 01:36 <@northrup> So you brought your own modem to Comcast, right? which they allow - where did the problem come in? 01:37 <@northrup> (sorry - I haven't followed the whole story) 01:37 <@RangerZ> no clue 01:37 <@RangerZ> its definitely upstream from my modem 01:37 <@RangerZ> since its been running fine except for when I reboot it to 'try' to get online 01:37 <@northrup> So as it stands now, you've still got your own modem, service is working, and... did they finally fuck you up and push their docsis profile down? 01:38 <@RangerZ> at this point I don't know, I'm just pissed that I've had to wait, and that their techs have been fucking asshats 01:39 <@RangerZ> the one yesterday was like "well sir that's interesting, why did your equipment work before and it isn't now" 01:39 <@RangerZ> I might have literally twitched in the neck when he said that 01:39 <@RangerZ> I replied "you know.... that's a REALLY good question, why don't YOU tell ME the answer to that one" 01:41 <@northrup> Comcast techs are next to worthless man 01:42 < _NSAKEY> They're almost as worthless as the "EasyTechs" at Staples. 01:42 <@northrup> for having a network THAT big, the techs that interface with the customers just push the 'go' button on the pre-developed widgets for them to push configs, etc. 01:42 <@northrup> they don't actually KNOW anything 01:42 <@RangerZ> that's fine, but don't be fucking asshole to me, when I was specifically going out of my way to be a nice caller 01:43 <@northrup> RangerZ: I've gotten that before, it's the quickest way to PISS me off. I've called up to report things with packet dumps, etc. and been treated like *I* was the problem. 01:44 <@northrup> "well how did you get that information?!" - "what do you mean? I connected my laptop directly to the cable modem and did a passive packet capture." - "who allowed you to do that?" 01:44 <@RangerZ> oddball: Evilpig_ http://www.gamepur.com/news/20250-nintendo-nx-rumors-its-wii-u-new-home-console-portable-system-platform-too.html 01:44 < PigBot> Title: Nintendo NX Rumors: Its A Wii U + New Home Console + Portable System "Platform", "Too Old" 3DS Being Replaced (at www.gamepur.com) 01:45 <@RangerZ> "who allowed you" 01:45 <@RangerZ> the FCC 01:45 <@RangerZ> and hear the silence on the other end of the line 01:45 <@northrup> Pretty much 01:45 <@northrup> in that case I said "nobody had to ALLOW me you ass, that's how a network and routing works" 01:47 <@RangerZ> buy the network+ book an learn something 01:48 <@RangerZ> I bought that and the A+ book back when I was looking for a job, and a friend got me an interview at the tech support company I worked for 01:48 <@RangerZ> less than 1month I was probably able to pass both tests 01:48 <@RangerZ> from _0_ knowledge about either 01:50 <@northrup> That's one of my largest gripes today man.. 01:50 <@northrup> the "READ A FUCKING BOOK" gripe... 01:50 <@northrup> oh - you don't know? Tell you what, why don't you figure it the fuck out 01:51 <@northrup> and not in a "go fuck yourself way"... I'm willing to help and mentor and answer questions, etc... but you have GOT to be willing to learn and discover, instead of just shrug and pass the buck. 01:51 <@RangerZ> I'm honestly amazed when I talk to people and they say "yeah I don't read books" 01:52 <@RangerZ> ....you're going to one of the most expensive colleges in the world.... and you don't read books? 01:52 <@northrup> me too! but it's becoming more and more common man 01:52 <@RangerZ> I mean .... fine... don't read 'dead tree' books 01:52 <@RangerZ> but ebooks are -fine- 01:52 <@RangerZ> nope 01:53 <@RangerZ> OHH FYI 01:53 <@RangerZ> PSA to netflix watchers 01:54 <@RangerZ> netflix is losing its subscription with STARZ 01:54 <@RangerZ> so its losing over 1000 shows/movies 01:55 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Do they even read ebooks? 01:55 <@northrup> FUCK 01:56 < _NSAKEY> Or do they just go to foxnews.com and twitter for their literary needs? 01:56 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: no 01:56 <@RangerZ> I don't know, I kinda got quiet at that point and stopped talking to them 01:56 <@RangerZ> http://news.investors.com/technology/083115-768862-netflix-drops-epix-hulu-comcast-new-streaming-partners.htm 01:56 < PigBot> Title: Netflix Now Without Epix And Starz, As Hulu Jumps In NFLX - Investors.com (at news.investors.com) 01:57 <@northrup> what the hell is Netflix thinking? 01:58 <@RangerZ> can't afford it 01:58 <@RangerZ> STARZ wanted to raise price like 30X what they were paying before like 6 years ago 01:58 <@RangerZ> and like 4x from 3 years ago 01:58 < _NSAKEY> Does Starz even have anything worth watching now? 01:58 <@northrup> Jesus.. for Starz?! 01:58 < _NSAKEY> Other than Black Sails, I mean. 01:58 <@RangerZ> they own the -streaming rights- to a LOT of movies 01:59 <@northrup> Starz original content themselves, no - but Starz holds the.. 01:59 <@RangerZ> movies they don't own otherwise 01:59 <@northrup> fuck RangerZ beat me to it 01:59 <@northrup> Starz has made money for itself being a license holder for broadcast of lots of movies. 01:59 <@RangerZ> AFAIK that's the MORE profitable side of startz now 02:00 < _NSAKEY> See, this is one reason I still cling to piracy. 02:00 < _NSAKEY> As far as I know, their original content was always a joke until Spartacus, and then has been hit or miss since then. 02:00 < _NSAKEY> By stubbornly clinging to piracy, I don't have to worry about who is doing what and for how much money. 02:01 <@RangerZ> I don't know, I haven't really watched most american TV in the last ~10 years 02:01 < _NSAKEY> So, deals like that going sour don't affect me in any way. 02:01 <@RangerZ> I only really watched some SyFy (fuck that name) shows even when I -had- cable 02:01 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: You've missed out on some good shows. I would argue that American TV has only been worth watching in the last 10 or 15 years. 02:01 < _NSAKEY> I type that as someone who grew up on Nick at Nite. 02:02 <@RangerZ> yeah I'm -aware- of a lot of the shows 02:02 <@RangerZ> but I'm not one to do 'watercooler talk' about shows 02:02 < _NSAKEY> Most older shows are a waste of time, because they were written to be largely self-contained and not as one coherent story. 02:02 <@RangerZ> and I'm not a moron so I don't use twatter daily 02:03 <@northrup> twatter.. heh 02:03 <@RangerZ> hell, my YouTube videos are going to default to not showing comments 02:03 < _NSAKEY> The whole "People can watch shows on their own terms" thing that the internet brought on is the only reason TV doesn't suck right now. 02:03 <@RangerZ> because I don't feel having public viewable comments -actually helps- my videos, etc. 02:03 < _NSAKEY> It enables binge watching, which means writers can make one long multi-part movie that constitutes a season for a TV series. 02:04 <@RangerZ> one of the reasons I got into Anime back in the day, was the stories 02:04 <@RangerZ> because it has always promoted binge watching (well reading first of manga, but still) 02:05 <@northrup> I'm not sure how much longer broadcast television can continue... 02:05 <@northrup> I mean I'm sure I'm out of touch with 'most people' 02:05 <@RangerZ> over the air, probably a long time 02:05 <@RangerZ> since they have monopoly rights 02:05 <@RangerZ> but most cable channels... I don't know 02:05 <@northrup> but I don't give a shit what order the station wants to program it to me in, I'm not watching it that way, nor am I watching it with commericals 02:06 <@RangerZ> the real DeathNail was TIVO 02:06 <@RangerZ> got people used to the idea that they can watch 'on their time' 02:06 <@RangerZ> well 'real _first_ deathnail' 02:06 < _NSAKEY> Plus, there was the time shifting. 02:06 <@RangerZ> assuming multiple possible ones , lol 02:06 <@northrup> Right 02:06 < _NSAKEY> I can't speak for most people, but I've always just assumed that nobody ever actually WANTS to see ads of any kind. 02:06 < _NSAKEY> It's just something that's tolerated due to a lack of choice in the matter. 02:06 <@RangerZ> here is the thing 02:07 <@northrup> between the Tivo Time shifting, and now Netflix dropping seasons of original content on people in one shot JUST for the binge reason. 02:07 <@RangerZ> if they embedded ads into the files of shows I watch, I might actually watch them 02:07 <@RangerZ> if they were only at start/end 02:07 <@northrup> and people saying that they purposefully won't start a show until the end of the season so that they can binge watch it online. 02:09 <@RangerZ> hell the ONLY reason I started using ad-block was because ads started to auto-play audio on tabs that I had open 02:09 <@RangerZ> and I couldn't find the tab quickly 02:09 < _NSAKEY> That reminds me... 02:09 <@RangerZ> but the BITCH of it was .... the ad wouldn't -start- when the tab just opened 02:09 < _NSAKEY> I read some Mozilla study from 2013 or so, and the 16 lusers they talked to all wanted autoplay for Flash. 02:09 <@RangerZ> it would wait 02:09 <@northrup> oh - internet wise, fuck a bunch of ads on pages... I loathe that shit 02:09 < _NSAKEY> One actually claimed that he liked the ads, which made me think someone paid him to say that. 02:10 <@northrup> how could you say that ad NOT be paid 02:10 < _NSAKEY> I'm trying to find the study now. It was pretty terrible. 02:10 <@RangerZ> nice typo 02:10 < _NSAKEY> They talked to 16 people and acted like it was representative somehow. 02:11 < _NSAKEY> Representative of 16 homeless people standing in line at a soup kitchen, maybe. 02:11 <@RangerZ> anything below 30 isn't even close 02:11 < _NSAKEY> "We'll give you an extra $5 if you say you love advertising." 02:11 <@RangerZ> especially for 'internet users' of all god things 02:11 <@RangerZ> I understand that ads pay for content 02:11 <@RangerZ> and that now only 20% of youtube views get ads played 02:12 <@RangerZ> which is why youtubers have 'had' to go to _sponsored_ deals, etc. 02:12 <@RangerZ> and YT cracking down on it b/c YT doesn't get their cut of videos like that 02:13 <@RangerZ> apparently YT has a player that is HTML5 based, that doesn't make use of ads the way the current player does 02:14 <@RangerZ> and the ad is actually -appended- to the video 02:14 <@RangerZ> so you can't block it 02:14 <@RangerZ> but YT is afraid of consumer backlash 02:15 < _NSAKEY> That's how it works. 02:15 < _NSAKEY> I used to hate youtube because I thought all the content was garbage. 02:16 < _NSAKEY> Now, YouTube is only tolerable with an ad blocker. 02:16 < _NSAKEY> If they start appending ads to videos, I can easily see myself not going to YouTube anymore. 02:31 <@northrup> RangerZ: What comcast speeds to do you get? 02:34 <@RangerZ> 50/10 ish 02:34 <@RangerZ> mbit/s 02:35 <@RangerZ> been thinking of boosting up to 50/10 business 02:35 <@RangerZ> so I don't get hit with monthly caps 02:35 <@RangerZ> _perhaps_ more 02:35 <@northrup> I've go the 50/10 business for that reason 02:35 <@RangerZ> if I get the actual -teacher- position with these new MOOCs I'm helping make 02:36 <@RangerZ> Then I'll go 100/20 or 75/15 02:37 <@northrup> DAMN... I've ben thinking about going up to the 100/20, just haven't pulled the trigger on it 02:38 <@RangerZ> they are itchy about google fiber 02:38 <@RangerZ> now they want to offer 2gbps down (not sure up, might be same) 02:38 <@RangerZ> but its like 500$/mo or something IIRC 02:39 <@RangerZ> sorry 300$/mo after 1k installation and activation 02:39 <@RangerZ> http://www.wired.com/2015/07/comcasts-gigabitpro-pricing/ 02:39 < PigBot> Title: Comcasts Google Fiber Rival Will Be Laughably Expensive | WIRED (at www.wired.com) 02:39 <@RangerZ> they don't want people to -actually- get it 02:39 <@RangerZ> they want it to show regulators that no one wants it 02:39 <@RangerZ> but they 'are' offering it 02:40 <@RangerZ> I'm trying to talk my mang. group into trying to get google fiber up here in east nashville 02:40 <@RangerZ> they could get a HUGE boost to potential rent 02:53 <@RangerZ> so I have a question 02:54 <@RangerZ> anyone read all the harry potter books/seen all the movies? 02:54 <@RangerZ> how much better are the books? (never read them ) 02:56 < _NSAKEY> There's only one case I can think of in which the movie was better than the book: Casino. 02:56 < _NSAKEY> The book was a waste of paper, but the movie was very good by comparison. 02:57 < _NSAKEY> Usually, books > movies in almost every case. 02:58 < _NSAKEY> There's also The Two Towers, which was made better than the book because Tolkien put the boring half in the front half of the book, whereas the movie spliced it all together. 02:58 < _NSAKEY> That doesn't answer your question about Harry Potter at all (I haven't read the books or seen the movies, and have no desire to), but "books > movies" will rarely lead you astray. 03:18 <@RangerZ> yeah I know, I just remember when the first book came out and it was talked about as nothing but 'gross stuff in it' 03:18 <@RangerZ> and I never started reading it 03:31 <@northrup> I'd also have to say that as much as I liked the story, reading the Stieg Larsson Millennium series (Girl with a Dragon Tattoo, etc) was tedius as he is a VERY verbose writers about shit that doesn't furhter the plot... 03:31 <@northrup> the origional produced movies of that are just as good as reading the books if not better because you don't have to read his tedious details 03:48 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:51 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 03:51 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 04:10 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:16 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 05:16 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 05:19 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@c-73-181-12-187.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:19 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@c-73-181-12-187.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 05:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 06:50 -!- rattle [~Rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 06:50 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 08:12 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 08:12 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 09:08 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: bleh] 09:32 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:58 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 09:58 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 10:27 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:34 < aestetix> I have read all the harry potter books 10:34 < aestetix> I barely remember a word of them though 10:34 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: Jaws is another movie like that. Apparently the book sucked. 11:03 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 11:03 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 11:10 <@sasquatc4> the woman read jaws, apparently its not completely different but they took alot out to make it movie friendly, there was a whole plot about the main guys wife having an affair with one of the other main characters and all sorts of other stuff 11:11 <@sasquatc4> dont think she said it sucked though 11:39 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:08 -!- rattle [~Rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 13:15 -!- rattle [~Rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 13:15 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 13:25 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 13:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 13:34 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:19 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 16:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 16:35 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:59 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 17:00 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 17:06 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:06 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 17:19 -!- rattle [~Rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:34 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 17:42 <@Dagmar> lol the 701 club got padlocked again 17:45 < _NSAKEY> 701 club? 18:35 -!- doctane [uid82442@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jwmwacqsuihrbnap] has joined #se2600 18:43 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 21:10 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 21:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 21:14 <@northrup> Ghaa I hate comcast so much... http://i.imgur.com/sB258er.png 21:49 < Evilpig_> well I survived philly again 21:52 <@jb7od> wit or widdout? 22:01 <@Dagmar> northrup: The place is a perfect example of a cursed location 22:02 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: But what IS it? 22:03 <@Dagmar> eh? 22:03 < _NSAKEY> Oh, nevermind. I thought we were still taling about "the 701 club" for a minute. 22:03 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: I was. 22:04 <@Dagmar> It's at 701 4th Ave 22:04 <@Dagmar> The place has _always_ been shifty 22:04 <@Dagmar> EVen when ravers were trying to hold events there the neighborhood was sketch as hell 22:04 <@Dagmar> Then it became The Panama Club for about a month, and the 701 Club, and now it's Dream City 22:05 <@Dagmar> Mainly the only difference between 701 and Dream City is that the girls are black and chunky instead of pale and apparently starving 22:06 <@Dagmar> They were specializing in smoking hollowed-out blunts, staying open until dawn, down-low 40oz sales, and general thuggery 22:07 <@Dagmar> I got the longer screwes I need to mount that display on the side of the case 22:07 < _NSAKEY> http://wkrn.com/2015/09/06/metro-police-raid-downtown-after-hours-club/ 22:07 < PigBot> Title: Downtown after-hours club padlocked, deemed public nuisance | WKRN News 2 (at wkrn.com) 22:07 < _NSAKEY> "More than 17 pounds of marijuana and $43,321 were found in the club." 22:07 <@Dagmar> Yep. 22:07 < Evilpig_> 17lbs.... lol 22:07 <@Dagmar> Sane people wouldn't have kept that on-site 22:07 < _NSAKEY> This guy in the mugshot looks kind of like Suge Knight. 22:08 < Evilpig_> did y'all see the video of the jim beam fire tornado? 22:08 <@Dagmar> Did they have another fire? 22:09 <@Dagmar> Oh damn 22:09 < Evilpig_> big one 22:09 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig_: I thought I linked that in here last night. 22:09 <@Dagmar> Well, it's a building filled with flammable liquids 22:09 < Evilpig_> not sure. I saw it on facebook, I htink 22:09 <@Dagmar> There's no such thing as a "small fire" 22:09 -!- ladymerl1n [ladymerlin@mail.bbis.us] has joined #se2600 22:09 < _NSAKEY> I did. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3222526/Streams-whiskey-Lightning-destroys-Jim-Beam-factory-Kentucky-releasing-800-000-gallons-bourbon-lake-catches-fire-struck-Firenado.html 22:09 < PigBot> Title: Jim Beam factory hit by lightning releases 800k gallons of fire whiskey | Daily Mail Online (at www.dailymail.co.uk) 22:10 <@Dagmar> Their insurance people will be pissed 22:10 <@Dagmar> It wasn't even ten years ago they burned down the last time 22:10 < Evilpig_> I think the $70,000 fine for killing the fish is hilarious 22:10 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, they got hit by lightning. It isn't like they did it on purpose. 22:10 <@Dagmar> THe fun thing about that place burning is that the cleanup is pretty easy 22:11 <@Dagmar> The fire burns so hot it melts everything to slag 22:11 <@Dagmar> You just bulldoze the remains off and start over clean. :) 22:11 < _NSAKEY> That's chump change though. The real money loss is going to come from the downtime of having to rebuild. 22:11 < Evilpig_> Dagmar: two words. "fire tornado" 22:13 <@Dagmar> That's just icing on the cake, man 22:13 <@Dagmar> The last tiem the fire department couldn't get near it 22:13 <@Dagmar> They _tried_ and realized they were instantly at a state where if they could have gotten close enough, the water would have immediately separated into hydrogen and oxygen and just fed the fire more 22:14 <@Dagmar> ...because mothafuckin' _alcohol fire_ 22:14 <@Dagmar> At least this time I'm not seeing anything about having to turn off the municipal water supply because of booze in it 22:14 <@Dagmar> (yes, very watery booze was coming out of taps the last time) 22:15 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ladymerlin 22:16 < _NSAKEY> Probably because it all got burned away. 22:16 <@jb7od> that's how I wanna go... whikky firenado. mhm. 22:19 <@jb7od> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsZEtsZ6okQ <- firenado (is badass) 22:29 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: My Mac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 22:32 -!- PigBot` [~pigbot@wilpig.org] has joined #se2600 22:34 -!- PigBot [~pigbot@wilpig.org] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:37 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 22:37 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 22:55 < aestetix> vagina 22:57 <@northrup> Has Ladar Levison's 'DIME' made any public process? 23:05 < _NSAKEY> Probably not. 23:06 < _NSAKEY> I always wondered if their scheme would use forward secrecy. If not, I consider it dead on arrival. 23:06 <@northrup> I'm watching his Defcon 22 talk on DIME: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWzvXaxR6us 23:07 < _NSAKEY> http://www.metzdowd.com/pipermail/cryptography/2015-March/025015.html 23:07 < PigBot`> Title: [Cryptography] DIME // Pending Questions // Seeking Your Input (at www.metzdowd.com) 23:07 < _NSAKEY> Assuming the user is operating in 23:07 < _NSAKEY> paranoid mode, then they could rotate their signet every day (or so) and 23:07 < _NSAKEY> delete their former private key when the expiry lapses. This would 23:07 < _NSAKEY> provide PFS for any messages protected by the previous public key. I 23:07 < _NSAKEY> don't expect many users to want this, but for those that do, its an 23:07 < _NSAKEY> option. See the spec. 23:07 < _NSAKEY> So in other words, they're not fixing PGP. 23:08 < _NSAKEY> What a complete waste of everyone's time. 23:08 -!- ladymerl1n [ladymerlin@mail.bbis.us] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:08 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-76-22-246-47.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:10 -!- Netsplit over, joins: ladymerlin 23:10 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-76-22-246-47.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:11 * northrup hangs head... 23:11 <@northrup> I had such higher hopes 23:12 < _NSAKEY> E-mail really needs something like OTR, where all the session key magic is handled automatically. 23:13 <@northrup> that was where they were supposed to be trying to take DIME based upon the Defcon 22 talk 23:14 < _NSAKEY> From refreshing my memory via Google, it sounds almost like they're trying to build their own tor-like network except for e-mail. 23:14 < _NSAKEY> I say tor-like because it sounds a lot like onion routing... Except without any forward secrecy. 23:14 <@northrup> Yeah, they took SMTP and created DMTP, complete with supporting TXT records that have to have a _DX.host.tld entry 23:17 < _NSAKEY> At least making XMPP not suck from a crypto standpoint isn't too difficult. 23:17 <@northrup> no - that's actually really simple 23:18 < _NSAKEY> The problem there is that it sucks to use on phones. 23:19 <@northrup> I was going to take a step back further and say that finding fellow users that actually use XMPP any more is the harder part 23:19 < _NSAKEY> That too. 23:19 < _NSAKEY> It's not that hard among the technical crowd, at least. 23:20 <@northrup> Right... I ran my own XMPP server for years for talking with google chat peoples and controlling OTR 23:20 <@northrup> then Google broke all their XMPP shit 23:20 <@northrup> after that - it became a waste of time 23:21 < _NSAKEY> I have people who I only talk to via XMPP. 23:21 <@klixa> i got an ssd. i should have got a traditional normal hdd. 23:21 <@northrup> who's XMPP are they using? 23:21 < Evilpig_> klixa: why? 23:21 <@northrup> klixa: you rarely hear people say that 23:21 < Evilpig_> you aren't needing the access times? or it just died on you? 23:21 <@northrup> unless it's for total space reasons 23:21 <@klixa> Evilpig_: im not really doing anything that takes advanatge of the speed 23:22 < _NSAKEY> northrup: A mix of random public servers. 23:22 < _NSAKEY> In one case, a friend has an account on my server, and in another case the guy used my github project to make an XMPP server that's as hardcore as mine. 23:22 < _NSAKEY> The rest use public servers. 23:23 < _NSAKEY> klixa: What did you buy? 23:23 <@klixa> samsung 850 EVO 250gb 23:24 < _NSAKEY> Nice. I was thinking of getting the smaller version of that one for this laptop I recently got. 23:25 <@klixa> smaller version? you mean less gugs? 23:25 <@klixa> gigs* 23:25 < _NSAKEY> Yeah. They make one that's either 120 or 128GB. 23:25 <@klixa> or smaller form factor...i doubt you mean that tho, cause i think this is as small as they come 23:25 <@klixa> nm 23:26 < _NSAKEY> I was telling people at the last 2600 meeting that I'm taking spare change and adding it to my Amazon account via CoinStar, and when I get enough for an SSD I like, I'm buying with credit. 23:26 <@northrup> klixa: was this for a mac? 23:26 <@klixa> _NSAKEY: yeah 23:26 <@klixa> northrup: yeah 23:26 <@klixa> oops 23:26 <@klixa> _NSAKEY: the 250gb is only $20 more than the 120gb 23:27 < _NSAKEY> I was actually thinking of getting this or something like it: http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-BX100-120GB-Internal-Solid/dp/B00RQA6LQY/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1441596373&sr=1-3&keywords=crucial+bx100 23:27 <@klixa> best buy has a few brands for $49 this wek 23:27 <@klixa> a 120gb 23:28 <@northrup> ok - so what made you have buyers remorse? 23:28 <@klixa> i woudlnt say buyer's remorse... its more so "i paid twice as much for 1/4th the storage" 23:29 <@northrup> that would be the reason why I haven't upgraded my hdd in my personal MBP 23:29 <@klixa> and although its a little faster, its not fast enough to justify it i guess 23:29 <@klixa> my hard drive was failing, so i had to get something anyway 23:30 <@northrup> oh that sucks - upgrade by the forced hand of hardware failure :( That's how I have the Mikotik router that I have 23:32 <@klixa> im gonna get one of these http://www.amazon.com/Drive-Unibody-MacBook-SuperDrive-Replacement/dp/B0058AH2US and add a regular hdd to it 23:32 <@klixa> right now i have about 70 gigs free, but that wont last 23:33 < Evilpig_> klixa: be careful cause apple did that shit where they blackflagged non-apple approved drives 23:33 <@klixa> Evilpig_: what are you talking about 23:34 < Evilpig_> http://www.zdnet.com/article/os-x-yosemite-and-third-party-ssds-heres-what-you-need-to-know/ 23:34 < PigBot`> Title: OS X Yosemite and third-party SSDs: Here's what you need to know | ZDNet (at www.zdnet.com) 23:34 <@northrup> I was just typing that, yepp 23:34 < Evilpig_> I'd swear there was another where they refused to use certain drives as well 23:35 <@klixa> Evilpig_: i haev el capitan, and it now includes support for 3rd party drives and im using this https://www.cindori.org/software/disksensei/ 23:35 <@klixa> includes support wihtout disabling kext signing i mean 23:36 < Evilpig_> I just saw that. fuckin' apple though. 23:36 <@northrup> I have honestly thought of leaving apple and going to another platform... 23:36 <@northrup> for my laptop 23:36 < Evilpig_> I only have this one because of work 23:37 <@northrup> also due in part to their shit show on display resolution 23:37 < Evilpig_> the only thing I really like about this is the weight. damn this thing is super light 23:37 <@northrup> I have a 17" MBP that I am dreading the day it starts failing... 23:37 <@klixa> why dreading 23:37 <@northrup> as that size is just TOO BIG for apple, so 15" or 13" is the replacement 23:38 <@northrup> and the default DPI / resolution on the 15" is 2003 standards compared to what other non-apple laptops have for a 15" 23:38 <@klixa> i have a mid 2012 macbook pro ...the last pre-retina model (that they still sell new, but i actually got it in 2012)...so far i have upped the ram to 10gig, i replaced the keyboard 3 weeks ago due to a spill, and now the ssd 23:38 <@klixa> still need to fix glass that i cracked nearly 2 years ago, but its just cosemetic, so its low prioroty 23:39 <@klixa> northrup: if you *need* os x, just do a 17 inch hackintosh 23:40 <@northrup> not to mention that right now my MBP is a 2.4 Ghz Quad core i7... 23:40 <@northrup> good point - it's been a while since I've looked at the hackintosh.. 23:40 <@northrup> honestly, I don't need to do the hackintosh - i just want a laptop that will run a linux distro in a kick ass manner.. 23:40 <@klixa> right before i got this macbook, i got a 15 inch dell for $500 and it supported os x natively... i was trying to save money...but in the end i hated it cause i like macbooks 23:41 <@klixa> i do kinda like those alienware 13's with the rgb keyboards tho 23:42 < _NSAKEY> northrup: Do you deal with OS X's terminal app very much? 23:43 < _NSAKEY> If you don't care about changing GUIs but want to keep the particular userland tools that OS X uses, you might want to look at PC-BSD. It's essentially a newbie/desktop-friendly FreeBSD. 23:44 <@northrup> _NSAKEY: I use iTerm day in and day out 23:45 <@klixa> i use iterm too 23:45 <@northrup> iTerm & tmux, vim, sublime text... irssi 23:46 <@klixa> i use textual... but i was using weechat 23:46 <@klixa> i compiled textual myself at least tho :D 23:46 < _NSAKEY> irssi > all 23:46 <@klixa> eh 23:46 <@klixa> _NSAKEY: have you even used weechat? 23:46 < _NSAKEY> Yes, I have. 23:46 <@klixa> why do you like irssi better 23:46 < _NSAKEY> weechat isn't bad, but I just prefer irssi. 23:46 <@klixa> ive used both 23:47 <@klixa> weechat had better scripts for the things i wanted to do 23:47 < _NSAKEY> Probably because I came across irssi and used it for a good 3 years before giving weechat a shot. 23:47 < _NSAKEY> That being said, I used weechat exclusively for about 6 months, and finally just went back to irssi. 23:47 <@northrup> weechat is cool, I've just created SO many irssi scripts and customizations, and have the muscle memory on using it --- Log closed Mon Sep 07 00:00:07 2015