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04:39 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: They got the TOR exploit close enough
04:40 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: ...and I'm pretty sure they're looking to not get yelled at by subtly changing a key detai about every security violation
04:40 <@Dagmar> The password cracking is hilarious in how it stays legit right until the very end, where it makes a hard left into "poetic licence"
04:49 <@Dagmar> Finally watching the finale now
04:51 <@Dagmar> I am unimpressed with their hard drive destruction speed
05:43 < k3ymkr> I generally consider everyone on the show to be VERY vulnerable and Elliot to be VERY good and that gets me over a lot of things.  You're right though, you couldn't sniff (unencrypted traffic) on an "internal" tor connection.
05:44 < k3ymkr> Even if he controlled some exit nodes, it's higly unlikely that Ron's traffic would leave via the ones Elliot controlled.
05:46 < k3ymkr> If that happened though, he could be injecting js into everyone's PC (Everyone's that vulnerable) and finding out what Ron's doing (by finding Ron from everyone who's used his exist node) by exploiting his browser.
05:46 < k3ymkr> IE: Beef
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10:06 <@Evilpig> http://blog.dennys.com/
10:06 < PigBot`> Title: Denny's Diner (at blog.dennys.com)
10:07 <@Evilpig> I will say this about the mr robot finale, or whatever,  they got times square empty.  that's impressive
11:26 < _NSAKEY> k3ymkr: Hidden services, like the one Ron ran, do not even deal with exit nodes. By definition, HS traffic never leaves the network, and thus exits don't come into play.
11:27 < _NSAKEY> A real Elliot would probably sniff the traffic, see that all the traffic for one IP is connecting to Tor nodes, and then work on some way to pop the box on the local network.
11:28 < _NSAKEY> Anyway, in spite of that slightly sour first impression, I'm hooked.
11:28 < _NSAKEY> Got up to episode 4 last night before going to bed.
11:28 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: The password cracking thing was hilarious, because of how targeted the attacks were.
11:29 < _NSAKEY> I also laughed really hard when he went after his shrink's boyfriend and mentioned that he had an Ashley Madison profile.
11:30 < _NSAKEY> That part is almost certainly  a hell of a lot funnier now than it was when it first aired.
11:33 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: they touch on the ashley madison thing again later
11:45 < _NSAKEY> Probably the biggest laugh I got from that show was when they were making fun of Hackers in the motel room.
13:19 < aestetix> oh boy
13:19 < aestetix> Yeah, constitutional clusterfuck in kentucky
13:20 < aestetix> http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/09/03/3698419/breaking-kim-davis-held-in-contempt-of-court-now-in-us-marshals-custody/
13:20 < PigBot`> Title: BREAKING: Kim Davis Held In Contempt Of Court, Now In U.S. Marshals Custody | ThinkProgress (at thinkprogress.org)
13:23 < _NSAKEY> They were just saying on NPR about 20 minutes ago that she may have gone in the back entrance.
13:23 < aestetix> Basically, I both agree and disagree with her.
13:24 < aestetix> I do not agree in denying marriage to gay people, but I also do not agree taht the federal government should get involved.
13:25 < _NSAKEY> I get why she's going what she's doing, but it's kind of too late to take a meaningful stand against it.
13:26 < _NSAKEY> That article is pretty much right in that I don't think they'll ever compel her to give marriage licenses to gay couples.
13:26 < _NSAKEY> What I want to know is if the county's executive judge or whatever is going to take the same stance as her.
13:26 < aestetix> Oh I disagree.
13:26 < _NSAKEY> With what?
13:27 < aestetix> I think she just became a symbol resistance.
13:27 < _NSAKEY> Someone who buys into Christianity that deeply is like damage that has to be routed around.
13:27 < _NSAKEY> Well, yeah. That much is obvious.
13:27 < aestetix> I actually stand with her although I totally disagree on the christianity crap
13:27 < aestetix> Mostly because I'm sick of the federal government making decisions for me.
13:27 < _NSAKEY> But that resistance is pointless. The Supreme Court already weighed in, and it's pretty much over because of that.
13:28 < aestetix> Totally untrue.
13:28 < aestetix> It can be changed by another Supreme Court ruling, which is what I suspect she is trying to do.
13:28 < aestetix> Remember all the fears that the GOP want to overturn Roe V Wade?
13:29 < _NSAKEY> Unless a bunch of Republicans agree to pass a constitional amendment explicitly banning gay marriage, or the almost equal longshot of another Supreme Court decision, it's over.
13:29 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: that's what we told black people after Plessy v Ferguson, too
13:29 < aestetix> It took 50 years, but they overruled it.
13:30 < _NSAKEY> Yeah... And how many gay couples are going to get married in that time?
13:30 < aestetix> I think you missed my point.
13:31 < _NSAKEY> How much societal change is also going to happen between now and whenever Kim Davis gets to the supreme court?
13:31 < k3ymkr> _NSAKEY: Yes, I meant while he was on tor and checked google.com as well
13:32 < k3ymkr> Sorry, was afk
13:32 <@Dolemite> The Supreme Court isn't going to take her case
13:32 < _NSAKEY> Dolemite: It MIGHT happen, but I'm inclined to agree with you.
13:32 <@Dolemite> I don't think it has even a snowball's chance in hell of happening
13:33 < _NSAKEY> Either way I have to wonder if she's going to rot in jail the entire time.
13:33 < aestetix> Dolemite: not disagreeing.
13:33 < aestetix> Dolemite: I'm just saying that there *are* options.
13:33 < aestetix> I do not think the Supreme Court is going to roll back on itself.
13:33 < aestetix> Even though the GOP would LOVE that
13:33 < k3ymkr> _NSAKEY: (Still catching up) I loved the line: "Right now some writer in hollywood is fucking up the next generation of hacker culture."
13:33 <@Dolemite> The law is pretty clear.  The Supreme Court ruled that you can't deny a marriage license based upon sexual orientation.  KY State Law says that an elected official can be prosecuted for failing to do their job as defined by the law.
13:34 < _NSAKEY> k3ymkr: Yeah, this show is so meta. The fourth wall breaks are flawlessly done.
13:34 <@Dolemite> The Supreme Court is not in a habit of re-hearing the same issues unless something substantial has changed.  Nothing has.
13:35 < aestetix> Dolemite: so she's going to become a martytr.
13:36 < k3ymkr> aestetix: Don't you have to kind of respect martyrs?
13:36 <@Dolemite> Only to a very small set of idiots.  Even conservative pundits are calling her a dumb ass.
13:36 <@Dolemite> But I do have to somewhat agree with Dan Savage's blog post...  she's trying to cash in.
13:37 <@Dolemite> She'll get paid to travel to West Bumfuckery, MO, to speak to a group of blue haired church ladies about her persecution and will sell a few copies of her ghost written book.
13:37 <@Dolemite> My mother would be right there at the plate, writing out a check for her love offering.
13:38 < aestetix> ok
13:38 < aestetix> https://hypothes.is/a/FoqhVNtITwusd0cTsMIpYg
13:38 < PigBot`> Title: Hypothesis (at hypothes.is)
13:39 < aestetix> can you view that?
13:39 < aestetix> k3ymkr: not at all
13:39 < aestetix> if someone is a suicide bomber for allah, I'm not going to respect taht
13:39 < k3ymkr> But then they wouldn't be a martyr.
13:39 < k3ymkr> Kind of like what Dolemite said
13:40 <@Dolemite> Fortunately there's a limit to the amount of fame you can get from an event like this.
13:41 < aestetix> Dolemite: the brighter the flame burns, the faster it burns out.
13:41 <@Dolemite> Sarah Palin's star is nearly out at this point and she had a lot more to build from.
13:41 < aestetix> Dolemite: it would have lasted longer if she didn't talk.
13:41 <@Dolemite> aestetix: In Kim Davis' case, I think it's her gonnorhea that burns
13:41 < aestetix> lol
13:42 <@Dolemite> Have you seen the whitehouse.gov petition that Kim Davis be stoned for adultery since she's closely adhering to Biblical law?
13:43 < aestetix> ....
13:43 < aestetix> lolz
13:45 < _NSAKEY> Dolemite: Are you referring to this? http://www.huffingtonpost\.com/entry/dan-savage-kim-davis_55e72786e4b0aec9f355722b
13:46 <@Dolemite> That's a much shorter article than the one I read
13:47 < k3ymkr> Anyone watching the Irongeek/Aloria mess?
13:47 < _NSAKEY> I watched the Irongeek/Wes McGrew mess yesterday.
13:47 <@Dolemite> What Irongeek/Aloria mess?
13:47 < k3ymkr> Maybe that's the same
13:47 < k3ymkr> He was blocking MSU
13:47 < k3ymkr> Got called sexist.
13:48 < _NSAKEY> He isn't blocking it now, but...
13:48 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/McGrewSecurity/status/639435344908288001
13:48 < k3ymkr> Was curious what the beef with MSU was about.
13:48 < PigBot`> Title: Wesley McGrew on Twitter: "So @irongeek_adc has backpedaled in the sense that he isnt blocking MSU anymore, but this is his message now http://t.co/0o63NFGwBN" (at twitter.com)
13:48 <@Dolemite> http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/09/01/22794191/kim-davis-is-defending-the-sacred-sanctity-of-marriage-from-the-gaysbut-who-will-defend-the-sacred-sanctity-of-marriage-from-kim-davis
13:48 < PigBot`> Title: Kim Davis Is Defending the Sacred Sanctity of Marriage From the Gays—But Who Will Defend the Sacred Sanctity of Marriage from Kim Davis? - Slog - The Stranger (at www.thestranger.com)
13:48 <@Dolemite> That's the blog entry I read
13:49 < k3ymkr> _NSAKEY: Know why the MSU hate?
13:49 < k3ymkr> Not that I go there, but it seems odd to pick on a whole university
13:49 < _NSAKEY> I don't know the root cause, but it has something to do with him and Wesley McGrew.
13:50 < _NSAKEY> ... Who also has a problem with purehate_, who is a buddy of IronGeek's.
13:50 < _NSAKEY> I'm just glad that Nashville 2600 isn't the only drama-infested circlejerk around.
13:51 <@Dolemite> If you guys could kiss and make up with the old Hacker Consortium folks then there wouldn't be any drama...   for at least 5 minutes
13:51 < _NSAKEY> Dolemite: Hahahaha.
13:51 < _NSAKEY> I was actually asked if I was interested in volunteering at SkyDogCon.
13:52 < _NSAKEY> I might... If I can pass out PhreakNIC 19 cards.
13:53 < _NSAKEY> As for the IronGeek thing, this is why I say it's about him and Wes McGrew: https://twitter.com/irongeek_adc/status/639306415417524225
13:53 < PigBot`> Title: Nͣͥͬͩͣ̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂ on Twitter: "@VinceintheBay just Wes and a few others" (at twitter.com)
13:54 <@Dolemite> Alright, I'm outta here.  Gotta run by the disaster recovery site.
14:05 < _NSAKEY> This is better than Dolemite described: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/force-kim-davis-accept-gods-law-and-be-stoned-adultery-unless-she-follows-mans-law-and-does-her-fucking-job
14:05 < PigBot`> Title: force Kim Davis to accept Gods Law and be stoned for adultery unless she follows mans law and does her fucking job. | We the People: Your Voice in Our Government (at petitions.whitehouse.gov)
14:17 <@Dagmar> Oh lewk... A little someone in Kentucky is goin' to _jail_
14:23 <@Evilpig> that trial was today wasn't it
14:36 <@Dagmar> There's no trial involved
14:37 <@Dagmar> This is a contempt of court charge, coming stright from a judge
14:37 < aestetix> Which is compltely valid
14:37 < aestetix> I agree with her taking her stance, but I also agree with the judge
14:37 <@Evilpig> her going into court was technically a hearing
14:37 <@Evilpig> which is a type of trial
14:37 <@Evilpig> it was a contempt hearing
14:39 <@Evilpig> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/04/us/kim-davis-same-sex-marriage.html
14:40 <@Evilpig> "“They’re taking rights away from Christians,” Danny Kinder, a 73-year-old retiree from Morehead, said of the courts. “They’ve overstepped their bounds.”"
14:40 <@Evilpig> that right there.  what rights do they think are being taken away?
14:53 <@Dagmar> THeir right to be judgemental, interfering, hypocritical pricks.
15:04 <@Evilpig> oh... then fuck them
15:04 <@Evilpig> they can keep that right as long as it doens't cause them to interfere with me
16:13 < aestetix> It is a right.
16:13 < aestetix> I agree they have that right. Even though they are bigots.
16:14 <@Dagmar> They can exercise that right from the privacy of their own homes
16:15 <@Dagmar> They can't take a job position where part of the oath of service is in conflict with it
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18:37 < aestetix> ohhh boy
18:37 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/McGrewSecurity/status/639160910490259460
18:37 < PigBot`> Title: Wesley McGrew on Twitter: "Conferences w/ @irongeek_adc recording:Blocks access,uses recordings of your speakers as amandate for sexism. http://t.co/kmS80Z4XI6" (at twitter.com)
18:41 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Yeah, this one isn't going away any time soon. I'm thinking of making a tweetdeck column just to catch all the drama in one spot.
18:43 < aestetix> I sent Adrian a message telling him I support him.
18:43 < aestetix> I think it was funny and these "professionals" need to get the fuck over themselves.
18:44 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/irongeek_adc/status/639498317450354688
18:44 < PigBot`> Title: Nͣͥͬͩͣ̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂̂ on Twitter: "Ill get one for @oncee and @jadedsecurity shortly, but youre in WV, so legally you still have to be brothers." (at twitter.com)
18:47 < _NSAKEY> You just know there's a rich backstory to all of this Twitter drama.
18:47 < aestetix> I'm sure there is.
18:47 < aestetix> I sent Adrian another message requesting that he make more lulz
18:47 <@klixa> twitter makes no sense to me
18:48 < aestetix> "sexism.... it does not mean what you think it means"
18:48 < _NSAKEY> klixa: At least it isn't Facebook.
18:48 < aestetix> paying a woman 80% what you pay a man is sexism.
18:48 < aestetix> saying mangina in a funny contxt is not.
18:48 <@klixa> on facebook i actually have good exchanges between my friends...twitter is always people being all liberal-PC and weird
18:48 < aestetix> just saying, pick your battles
18:48 <@klixa> its like the tv show Girls
18:48 <@klixa> Twitter is the coed version of Girls
18:49 <@klixa> its a bunch of stupid hipsters who think they know stuff
18:49 < aestetix> I'm debating doing a talk at an event with a CoC, with a picture of a cartoon penis and vagina on every slide, to see if I get thrown out
18:50 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: The same cartoon penis and vagina, or different ones for each slide?
18:50 < aestetix> like will they actually interrupt a relevant talk because they can't handle penises
18:50 < aestetix> I don't know
18:50 < aestetix> the funnier, the better
18:50 < _NSAKEY> You could actually start light and ramp that up.
18:50 < aestetix> like penises with musctaches, etc
18:50 < _NSAKEY> Start off with some Renaissance art.
18:50 < aestetix> Oooh.
18:50 <@klixa> what if their coc allows penis and vagina pics?
18:50 < _NSAKEY> Then graduate to tentacle rape by the end.
18:50 < aestetix> Especially if i pretend I have no idea it's there.
18:50 < _NSAKEY> Or just don't acknowledge it.
18:51 < _NSAKEY> You could be talking about buffer overflows.
18:51 <@klixa> speaking of that aestetix , one time when my bf worked for a security alarm company, i made fake name basges for all the sales people, with a picture of a penis as their headshot and a rainbow flag as the background
18:51 < aestetix> and if someone says "dude why is ther a penis there" I'll be like "please keep questions within the scope of the topic"
18:51 < _NSAKEY> Meanwhile, a cartoon drawing of two furries yiffing is on the projector...
18:51 <@klixa> my bf then places one on each persons chair right before a meeting
18:51 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: It would be really hard to keep a straight face.
18:53 < aestetix> ugh I need to go to sleep
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19:39 < RangerZ1> Evilpig: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2015/09/03/rowan-county-ky-court-clerk-marriage-licenses-gays/71635794/ is this the county from KY you're from?
19:39 < RangerZ1> thankfully she's spending time in jail
19:40 < RangerZ1> b/c if it was only a fine, her attempt to become a martyr for the social conservatives would just pay that out via go-fund-me campaigns, etc
19:45 <@Evilpig> no.  that's the other end of the state and that's teh bullshit I kept having to hear about on facebook leading me to remove many people I went to high school with
19:45 <@Evilpig> told every last one of those fuckers "do your job, or get fired."
19:45 <@Evilpig> btw did that bin work that I sent you?
19:45 <@Evilpig> it should be fox or maybe marth or something
19:58 < RangerZ1> haven't tried it
19:58 < RangerZ1> gonna try it now actually
20:00 <@Evilpig> it's the one I had here at home for that project steam game
20:02 <@Evilpig> good deal.  dad's surgery went well and he's in recovery for another hour to hour and a half and then they are sending him up to a room
20:11 < RangerZ1> that's good to hear
20:11 < RangerZ1> I recognized marth
20:11 < RangerZ1> but I'm having issues getting it to 'work'
20:11 <@Evilpig> I know y'all don't care about my old man, but I wanted to tell someone.  heh
20:11 < RangerZ1> I gotta read the instructions again
20:11 <@Evilpig> all I did was scan it and hit download or whatever
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20:40 <@rattle> AC 800 fall down go boom.
20:40  * Evilpig eyes rattle cautiously
20:41 <@rattle> Go boom.
21:31 <@oddball> heh.  There's a panel at Dragoncon entitled "Systemd: the end of Linux as we know it?"
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22:04 < _NSAKEY> oddball: Are these things recorded?
22:05 <@oddball> Typically not.
22:05 < _NSAKEY> Are you going to that panel?
22:07 <@oddball> It's on my list.  Along with like 4 other things in that time slot.
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22:14 <@Evilpig> RangerZ1: where'd you get the wooly yoshi>
22:14 <@Evilpig> ?
22:15 < RangerZ1> no where
22:15 < RangerZ1> DL'd all those bins
22:15 < RangerZ1> but they have been out for ~6mo in EU and AU
22:15 < RangerZ1> let alone Japan
22:16 < RangerZ1> Evilpig: PM ping
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