--- Log opened Sat Aug 29 00:00:42 2015 01:07 <@Evilpig> Mirage, Dagmar: mrtg... pos... trying to get it to read and graph an environment probe that I have. 01:07 <@Evilpig> [wilbur@hosting openDCIM]$ snmpwalk -v 1 -c pig 10.0.0.92 1.3.6.1.4.1.534.6.6.7.7.1.1.4.0 01:07 <@Evilpig> SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.534.6.6.7.7.1.1.4.0.1 = INTEGER: 755 01:07 <@Evilpig> this is what I put into mrtg... Target[intsens_2]: 1.3.6.1.4.1.534.6.6.7.7.1.1.4.0&1.3.6.1.4.1.534.6.6.7.7.1.1.4.0:pig@10.0.0.92:::::2 01:08 <@Evilpig> 2015-08-29 01:04:55 -- 2015-08-29 01:04:54: ERROR: Target[intsens_2][_IN_] ' $target->[3]{$mode} ' did not eval into defined data 01:08 <@Evilpig> 2015-08-29 01:04:55 -- 2015-08-29 01:04:54: ERROR: Target[intsens_2][_OUT_] ' $target->[3]{$mode} ' did not eval into defined data 01:08 <@Evilpig> but it's giving me this shit. any ideas? 01:08 <@Evilpig> I've tried upping the maxbytes parameter for that sensor, tried with leading decimals on the oid and without 01:12 <@Evilpig> also tried snmp v1 and 2c 01:17 <@Dagmar> Query it with snmpget and see what it's actually saying back 01:18 <@Dagmar> That message looks to me like it's rather emphatically stating the remote snmpd claimed to know nothing about a value at that location 01:18 <@Evilpig> yeah that looks to be the problem. it doesn't like the oid 01:19 <@Evilpig> [root@firewall mrtg]# snmpget -v 1 -c pig 10.0.0.92 .1.3.6.1.4.1.534.6.6.7.7.1.1.4.0 01:19 <@Evilpig> Error in packet 01:19 <@Evilpig> Reason: (noSuchName) There is no such variable name in this MIB. 01:19 <@Evilpig> Failed object: SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.534.6.6.7.7.1.1.4.0 01:20 <@Evilpig> hrmm. it's there with walk but not get. I rememeber seeing a setting to force mrtg to walk 01:20 <@Dagmar> How about with v2c 01:20 <@Dagmar> ...cuz as far as I know if it comes back in a walk it should come back in a get 01:21 <@Evilpig> it doesn't support 2c. just 1 and 3 01:21 <@Dagmar> ouch. 01:21 <@Dagmar> I'd double-check the OID then 01:21 <@Evilpig> SnmpWalk 01:21 <@Evilpig> It may be that you want to monitor an snmp object that is only reachable by 'walking'. You can get mrtg to walk by prepending the OID with the string WaLK or if you want a particular entry from the table returned by the walk you can use WaLKx where x is a number starting from 0 (!). 01:22 <@Dagmar> Interesting 01:22 <@Evilpig> I'm sure the OID is right cause I get back SNMPv2-SMI::enterprises.534.6.6.7.7.1.1.4.0.1 = INTEGER: 755 01:22 <@Evilpig> from it 01:23 <@Evilpig> no errors from it starting that time. I think that got it. thanks dag 01:23 <@Dagmar> k 01:23 <@Evilpig> [root@firewall mrtg]# head /var/www/mrtg/intsens_2.log 01:23 <@Evilpig> 1440825781 755 755 01:23 <@Evilpig> 1440825781 0 0 0 0 01:24 <@Evilpig> winner winner chicken dinner 01:25 <@Evilpig> might have to fark with the scale later but if this is working then I can dick with that tomorrow 01:41 < _NSAKEY> That was a lot of fun. 01:41 < _NSAKEY> oddball: NES had a power outage on this side of the lake. 06:10 -!- rattle [~Rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 06:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 08:55 -!- Guest43739 [~USER@67.215.220.196] has joined #se2600 09:00 < Guest43739> gerd 09:02 < Guest43739> PhreakNIC needs to be in Nashville, dammit. 09:04 < Guest43739> I want to be able to drive a short distance and eat Prince's Hot Chicken. 09:09 -!- Guest43739 [~USER@67.215.220.196] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:25 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: _NSAKEY, @sync350, Vyrus001 09:25 -!- Netsplit over, joins: _NSAKEY, Vyrus001 09:25 -!- Netsplit over, joins: sync350 09:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sync350] by ChanServ 09:48 -!- rattle [~Rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:58 -!- rattle [~Rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 10:58 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 11:41 -!- rattle [~Rattle@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 11:42 < _NSAKEY> ... And Skynet gets a little stronger: https://github.com/systemd/systemd/pull/1022 11:42 < PigBot`> Title: Add new "machinectl shell" command for su(1)-like behaviour by poettering · Pull Request #1022 · systemd/systemd · GitHub (at github.com) 13:02 <@brimstone> systemd is the new busybox 13:05 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@c-73-181-12-187.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06 < aestetix> god 13:06 < aestetix> have any of you had the fun of trying to learn a language with gendered objects? 13:06 < aestetix> a window.... a television.... a ball... they all have genders 13:06 < aestetix> wtf 13:07 <@brimstone> ja 13:07 <@northrup> Oui, French 13:07 < aestetix> and the best part is, languages differ in what objects are gendered 13:07 <@brimstone> yes 13:07 < aestetix> I studied french in school, german is totally fucking different 13:07 <@brimstone> spanish is different from french and german too 13:07 <@brimstone> dutch is even different from german 13:07 < aestetix> so I've heard 13:08 < aestetix> I mean I have been in cities that are mostly dutch, and it looks sort of like german, but not quite 13:08 < aestetix> and dutch has the double vowels everwher 13:08 < aestetix> like straat, whereas in german it's strasse with the funny s letter 13:08 < aestetix> (street to us) 13:09 < aestetix> and of course french has like 20 words for street, complete with letters that are never pronounced :p 13:09 <@brimstone> ß 13:10 < aestetix> I'm doing a german lesson (rosetta stone) and had to take a break because too much "wait wtf?" 13:10 <@brimstone> at least with german, 98% of the letters are pronounced 13:11 <@brimstone> where are you based now? 13:11 < aestetix> berlin 13:11 <@brimstone> didn't you move to germany at some point? 13:11 < aestetix> yes 13:11 <@brimstone> ah 13:11 < aestetix> I've been in berlin since basically april 13:11 <@brimstone> i found the Goethe institute super helpful 13:11 < aestetix> what is that? 13:11 <@brimstone> a language school 13:11 < aestetix> wait, is Goethe the author of faust? 13:12 <@brimstone> i don't know 13:12 < aestetix> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goethe's_Faust 13:12 < PigBot`> Title: Goethe's Faust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org) 13:12 < aestetix> one of them 13:12 <@brimstone> http://www.goethe.de/ins/de/ort/ber/enindex.htm 13:12 < PigBot`> Title: Goethe.de | Learning German - Course locations - Berlin - Goethe-Institut (at www.goethe.de) 13:12 < aestetix> faust == the story where a guy named faust sells his soul to the devil 13:19 <@Dagmar> Fuck poettering 13:20 <@Dagmar> Now he's fixing su becuase his understanding of su is broken 13:24 <@northrup> what's his take on su? 13:24 < aestetix> uh 13:24 < aestetix> how does one "fix" su? 13:25 <@Dagmar> https://tlhp.cf/lennart-poettering-su/ 13:25 <@Dagmar> Fucking idiocy 13:26 <@Dagmar> I've never heard of or seen any requirement that su is supposed to do the stuff he's talking about 13:26 <@Dagmar> Nor was it meant to be used to spawn new fuckin' sessions 13:26 < aestetix> I don't undestand what he's trying to do 13:27 <@Dagmar> He doesn't either. 13:27 < aestetix> I find su very useful 13:27 < aestetix> Especially when sudo doesn't cut it 13:27 <@Dagmar> He's trying to "fix" su based on his inexperience and incomplete knowledge of the tool. 13:27 <@Dagmar> I'd like to see him cute the standards docs where it's supposedly defined that it should do these things he thinks it does 13:27 < aestetix> example, trying to use sudo with pipes 13:27 <@Dagmar> s/cute/cite/ 13:28 < aestetix> With this pull request systemd now support a su command functional and can create privileged sessions, that are fully isolated from the original session. 13:28 < aestetix> Isn't the whole point of su that it is NOT isolated? 13:28 <@Dagmar> It's just supposed to be a quick uid change 13:28 < aestetix> well sure 13:28 <@Dagmar> Also, ther'es fucking sg for changing to another group 13:29 <@Dagmar> He has definitely fucking come up with his own interpretation of what su is supposed to be doign 13:29 < aestetix> I mean I typically do "sudo su" 13:30 <@Dagmar> Fuckin' why 13:30 * aestetix shrugs 13:30 < aestetix> force of habit I guess 13:30 < aestetix> it doesn't hurt anything 13:31 < aestetix> I could also do sudo bash 13:31 < aestetix> Dagmar: I think the issue at hand is there are dozens of ways to do things, and these annoying pontificants are trying to promote the one true way 13:32 < aestetix> It's similar to the habit of "cat file | less" instead of just "less file" 13:32 <@brimstone> but sudo has a -s and -i options 13:33 <@brimstone> i never sudo su 13:39 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: This is why I've moved to FreeBSD on all the boxes I care about except my desktop. 13:39 <@brimstone> i just blacklisted systemd on my systems 13:39 < _NSAKEY> There are only two things holding me back there: 1. hashcat support 2. I don't have anywhere to migrate my files. 13:40 < _NSAKEY> brimstone: I'm using Debian's half measure implementation on Jessie. It's not terrible, because you can largely ignore the feature creep. 13:40 < _NSAKEY> Debian's glacial pace is actually a good thing in this case. 13:40 <@Dagmar> Ah... a longer command that's "easier to type" 13:40 <@Dagmar> idiocy from ##linux 13:41 < _NSAKEY> Someone needs to lock Poettering in a small room with nothing but a children's nap mat and a stack of books that instill the unix philosophy. 13:41 < _NSAKEY> Once he's properly re-educated himself, he should then be permitted to rejoin society. 13:54 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I'm reading that su blog and already need an advil or three. 14:26 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: what do you really expect out of him? he started on a project to replace sysv that now has a firewall... 14:37 <@Dagmar> What I expect out of him is arterial spray. 14:51 < aestetix> vagina 15:18 <@Evilpig> from your mouth to god's ears 15:32 <@oddball> Oh, I guess if I'm going to go to this PN planning meeting, I should head out in a bit. 15:32 <@Dagmar> Actual weather.com headline: "Eriks'a Cone Shits East. Here's What That Means For Millions In The Southeast" 15:32 <@Dagmar> I'm about to head out to meet the girlie 15:33 <@Dagmar> 'cuz prioriteez 15:33 <@oddball> Dagmar: I've already heard/read many "a literal shit storm?!" jokes. 15:33 <@oddball> understood. You have to go play Ingress with her. 15:33 <@Dagmar> Yeees... Ingress... Sure. 15:39 <@oddball> actually, the sky just openned up here. I'm going to wait a couple minutes. 15:43 -!- rhia [~rhia@50.125.19.33] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:49 < RangerZ1> you know what... I really enjoy sleeping my 8hrs last night... then waking up... and after a few hours saying fuck it.... and going back to sleep for a few hours... 15:51 < aestetix> RangerZ1: got fired? 15:52 < RangerZ1> no, its Saturday 15:52 < aestetix> oh 15:52 <@northrup> RangerZ1: I did the exact same thing! 15:53 < RangerZ1> I only do that maybe once per work week 15:54 * RangerZ1 takes full benefit of not having scheduled work hours 15:54 < aestetix> so RangerZ1 oracle fount of knowledge.... I seek thine answer 15:54 < aestetix> Did the US have any concept of classified information before WW1? 15:55 <@northrup> Mwahaha... those moments generally come for me in the form of "looks at phone, has anything blown up? When is my first meeting of the day?... 10:30? Well... let's seel for another 2 hours" 15:55 < RangerZ1> yes, at least in 'notion' 15:55 <@northrup> s/seel/sleep/ 15:55 < RangerZ1> leaking military info was treason, etc 15:55 < RangerZ1> treason is built into original draft of constition 15:55 < aestetix> oh come on 15:55 < aestetix> you didn't give me a "yes/no" 15:56 < aestetix> I was sure that question would get one 15:56 < RangerZ1> I don't know when the term 'classified' came into use though 15:56 < RangerZ1> so yes/no 15:56 < RangerZ1> happy? 15:56 < aestetix> but I forced it out of you 15:57 < RangerZ1> northrup: pretty much 15:57 < aestetix> ok so besides the Daughters of Liberty or whatever it was called 15:57 < aestetix> are there adocumentated cases of leaking military info? 15:58 < RangerZ1> northrup: if I sleep past noon any day, I generally tend to just not even bother going in that day, and work from home 15:58 <@northrup> RangerZ1: Yep... which some tiems works in my favor, but more often works in their favor as I start late and work into the night, more than eight hours. 15:59 <@northrup> aestetix: I'm not sure what you're after - there have always been stories of leaking information. Are you talking about 'one side leaking to another' or are you talking about in US history 'leaking for the sake of the publiic' ? 16:02 < RangerZ1> The term whistle-blower comes from the whistle a referee uses to indicate an illegal or foul play.[5][6] US civic activist Ralph Nader coined the phrase in the early 1970s to avoid the negative connotations found in other words such as "informers" and "snitches". 16:02 < RangerZ1> so... there is that 16:02 < RangerZ1> fucking Ralph Nader 16:05 < RangerZ1> I swear anything having to do with the 70s/80s and safety of the public, doesn't matter how tangential .... he's involved, lol 16:05 < RangerZ1> also I posted this, but it might have been too early in the morning https://imgur.com/gallery/dmzXqAa 16:05 < PigBot`> Title: The things you see on Craigslist when you live in Nashville. - Imgur (at imgur.com) 16:13 <@northrup> damn! 16:18 < aestetix> heh 16:18 < aestetix> RangerZ1: have you seen videos where Milton Friedman shares his "opinion" on Ralph Nader? 17:00 <@northrup> man... it is moments like this where I wish there was a good "public nap service" ... I'd so pay 20 busk to take an hour - hour and a half nap right about now.... 17:00 <@northrup> .. some place comfortable, without driving back home 17:12 < RangerZ1> NotLarry: wtf 17:12 * RangerZ1 hugs NotLarry 17:12 * RangerZ1 wipes off all the hand sanitizer that for some reason is coating NotLarry 17:27 < NotLarry> What? 17:46 < RangerZ1> just glad to see ya back in here, lol 18:02 * oddball returns for the PN organizational meeting. 18:37 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-174-49-9-94.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:38 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-174-49-14-188.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:47 -!- NoFault1 [~NoFault@c-174-49-14-188.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:49 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-174-49-14-188.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:50 < RangerZ1> oddball: question for ya 18:50 < RangerZ1> how did dru get The Yellow Porch to stay open past 3pm ? 18:51 <@oddball> Elonka did that. 18:51 * RangerZ1 completely innocent question, not that I was just told that the meeting place dru picked out closes at 3pm and requries reservations on fridays 18:51 < RangerZ1> ;) 18:51 <@oddball> Dru and I showed up right at 3 and sat on the porch waiting for folks until I read my email. 18:52 <@oddball> Yeah, I don't think it will work for our normal meetings. Glad we found out now. 18:52 <@oddball> They *used* to be a coffe house. Not so much anymore. 18:52 -!- NoFault1 [~NoFault@c-174-49-14-188.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:54 < RangerZ1> gentrification at its best 18:54 < RangerZ1> too expensive for 'real' people 18:54 <@oddball> pfft. That area hasn't gotten to that point yet. 18:54 < RangerZ1> all of Greater Nashville basically has 18:54 <@oddball> I used to practically live at Bongo's in the heart of the Belmont area. 18:55 < RangerZ1> its just been raising mostly in rent prices, etc 18:55 < RangerZ1> my apt is almost 200$ more expensive _per month_ to rent (for new people) than what I'm paying 18:55 <@oddball> true 18:56 < RangerZ1> from ~600$/mo when I moved in, to ~780$/mo now (for me) and its still a TON cheaper than any other reasonable place 18:56 <@oddball> Hell, the apartment I was renting before buying my house went up by $100/month a couple times while I was there. 18:56 <@oddball> We ended up buying because it was going to be cheaper than renting. 18:56 < RangerZ1> if I was planning on staying, I'd consider the same 18:57 < RangerZ1> and if I do end up staying, I'll be buying a house in Franklin or something 18:57 < RangerZ1> not somewhere where I can "afford" now 18:57 < _NSAKEY> oddball: That's how Smyrna's gotten. 18:58 < _NSAKEY> There's a months-long waiting list for apartments, and the rent keeps going up. 18:58 < _NSAKEY> I know a guy who did the math and decided it was a few hundred a month cheaper to just buy a house in the older part of town. 18:58 < RangerZ1> East Nashville is like that 18:58 < _NSAKEY> East Nashville is hilarious. 18:58 <@oddball> If you act this week. 18:59 <@oddball> The houses will be $10k higher next week. 18:59 < _NSAKEY> I can remember when all those little houses over there were dirt cheap. 18:59 < RangerZ1> the very TOP of East Nashville next to Madison is actually sensible, but south of broadmore is a joke 19:01 < RangerZ1> https://gaming.youtube.com : [ 404.Lorem ipsum other castle, arrow to the knee set up us the bomb. ] 19:01 < PigBot`> Title: YouTube Gaming (at gaming.youtube.com) 19:04 < RangerZ1> that's amusing 19:05 < RangerZ1> brb 19:05 -!- RangerZ1 [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 19:06 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-98-240-43-56.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:06 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ 19:08 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lE06CYOTqOU so (ignoring your political stances) I think everyone would back this, to found a constitutional convention to pass an amendment to make corporations not 'people' and to help get money out of politics 19:11 -!- cyberanger [cyberanger@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe18:7dfe] has quit [Changing host] 19:11 -!- cyberanger [cyberanger@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has joined #se2600 19:14 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Without even clicking, I agree with the idea. 19:15 < _NSAKEY> Corporate personhood should be abolished. 19:15 < _NSAKEY> I'm also in favor of the death penalty for public corruption cases. e.g. John Ford. 19:16 < _NSAKEY> Good luck getting any politicians to go along with either of those. 19:16 < _NSAKEY> Executing corrupt politicians would probably get abused, which is the only real downside to that idea. 19:18 < _NSAKEY> Maybe banishing them to Antarctica would work. I'm sure the research scienctists need janitors. 19:23 <@Dagmar> THat's why it need to be performed by the "hobby enthusiast" 19:24 < _NSAKEY> If we could somehow pair the openly dirty politicians with the mass shooter types, it would all solve itself. 19:35 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-174-49-14-188.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 19:45 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: that's the thing though, 3 states have already passed resolutions calling for it, and more are in the process 19:45 <@RangerZ> problem is that most state legislations are only 'in order' for a couple of months every (sometimes ...other..) year 19:46 <@RangerZ> and if you spin the talking points to include the GOP boogieman "george sorros(sp?)" then they are all for it 19:46 <@RangerZ> "you don't want bloomberg or sorros coming in here and paying for anti-gun laws now do you?" 19:46 <@RangerZ> cha.......ching..... republicans sign on 19:46 <@RangerZ> lol 20:38 -!- NoFault1 [~NoFault@c-174-49-14-188.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 20:40 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-174-49-14-188.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 21:02 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-174-49-14-188.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:05 -!- NoFault1 [~NoFault@c-174-49-14-188.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:07 <@eryc> https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=grubhub&src=typd 21:07 < PigBot`> Title: grubhub - Twitter Search (at twitter.com) 21:07 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-174-49-14-188.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:08 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-174-49-14-188.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:14 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-174-49-14-188.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:14 -!- NoFault1 [~NoFault@c-174-49-14-188.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:24 -!- NoFault1 [~NoFault@c-174-49-14-188.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:26 -!- NoFault [~NoFault@c-174-49-14-188.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:29 <@northrup> has anyone tried the 'Signal' app from Open Whisper Systems? 21:33 <@RangerZ> no, I don't try new apps 21:33 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: I orded one of those amiiqo devices 21:33 <@RangerZ> 50$ to have access to every amiibo 21:34 <@RangerZ> and if it doesn't work, I'll just tell VISA to retract the payment 21:35 <@RangerZ> northrup: I did look into it at once point a few months ago by chance actually 21:35 <@RangerZ> I don't have an iphone, but my friend is doing her phd in mobile security, and that's 'sorta' what mine is 21:35 <@RangerZ> ....sorta.... 21:36 <@northrup> it looks interesting - the code is available, and they're not charging a monthy "service fee" like others.. 21:37 <@RangerZ> honestly its not 'hard' to setup an app like that 21:37 <@RangerZ> the problem is the handshake server 21:38 <@RangerZ> you need a 3rd server somewhere in the wild, that allows NAT Traversal for apps like this to work 21:38 <@northrup> ... and there in comes the 'trust' with all things "secure"... 21:38 <@northrup> 'no, really, trust us that this third party server that you need to transit through is secure" 21:39 <@RangerZ> actually my bigger issue is with the crytpo library usage 21:39 <@RangerZ> actually the 'data' shouldn't be sent through the server 21:39 <@RangerZ> BUT 21:39 <@northrup> Things that I need to actually be secure, I encrypt myself and send via e-mail 21:39 <@RangerZ> a 'call log' will be created on their server 21:40 <@RangerZ> one way to solve this would be to have a completely anonymous lookup server, that only had records that were encrypted 21:40 <@RangerZ> you could still do 'logs' of "this person" calling "this person" but you'd have no idea who each is 21:41 <@RangerZ> ALL KINDS of legal issues with that 21:42 < _NSAKEY> northrup: I've used TextSecure, which is the Android equivalent. 21:42 < _NSAKEY> They recently changed it to not use SMS as the transport for messages. 21:42 <@northrup> RangerZ: we can't actually HAVE nice things... haven't you heard, this cryptography mumbo-jumbo is RUINING 'Murica! 21:43 <@RangerZ> Ok UK Prime Minister 21:43 <@RangerZ> David Cameron 21:43 <@RangerZ> I was gonna say Gordon Brown, but I knew that wasn't right 21:43 <@RangerZ> had to look it up, then feel stupid at my brain fart 21:44 <@northrup> Heh. I was more thinking Jeb Bush on that one, as he was the most recent dolt I heard speak on it 21:45 <@RangerZ> he's just pupetting Cameron 21:45 <@RangerZ> b/c UK has no written Constitution 21:45 <@RangerZ> so therefore they have the rights that are given to them by the current parliament 21:46 <@RangerZ> (not like OURS really matters for a whole lot either... a lot of the time :/ ) 21:46 <@northrup> Dude - I have to go over to London for weeks at a time for work, I'll be heading there again mid September. It's creepy all of the damn cameras. 21:46 <@RangerZ> buy the paint that messes with camersa 21:46 <@RangerZ> camersa* 21:46 <@RangerZ> nvm 21:46 <@northrup> I mean - it's one thing to 'know' it, it's another to walk around and cound 40+ cameras in the span of 20 steps after stepping off the tube. 21:47 <@oddball> Ah... the land that doesn't trust its subjects with sharp pointy objects. 21:47 <@RangerZ> best part is, London hasn't had a crime drop that's any higher % than any other western city 21:47 <@RangerZ> << Still a believer in the Lead theory of crime 21:48 <@oddball> but remember that it's the leading example of why we should ban guns! 21:48 <@northrup> that's the one that shows the HIGH corollary between when we stop using lead in fuel and when violent crime went down? 21:49 <@RangerZ> northrup: that's part of it 21:49 <@oddball> I had forgotten about that theory. 21:49 <@RangerZ> but just as much important is stopping lead paint 21:49 <@northrup> Right... 21:50 <@RangerZ> http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasoline 21:50 <@RangerZ> http://www.twitch.tv/pax2 FYI 21:50 < PigBot`> Title: Twitch (at www.twitch.tv) 21:50 <@northrup> just looked up a graph that has Gasoline lead tonnes per 3,000 population / violent crimes per 100,000 population and they lay on top of each other, curve for curve mighty nice. 21:51 <@RangerZ> the Castlevania creator showing off his work on his current kickstarted 'metroid-vania' game 21:52 <@RangerZ> that link is one of the best condensed versions explaining it 21:52 <@eryc> what link 21:53 <@RangerZ> first link, http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasoline 21:54 <@RangerZ> JUST from lead in blood levels, the average IQ has gone up by 5pts in 15 years 21:58 <@eryc> i was more interested in the castlevania thing 21:58 <@RangerZ> the twitch link then ;) 21:58 -!- NoFault-M [~AndChat45@50.153.166.162] has joined #se2600 21:58 <@eryc> i think a video is less than condensed 21:59 < NoFault-M> Evening all 21:59 <@RangerZ> I backed it, and am excited about it, but haven't really been 'following' it 21:59 <@RangerZ> I've found that just waiting for the game to come out gives a better experience than all these 'early access' 22:00 <@RangerZ> eryc: the video is NOT condensed 22:01 <@RangerZ> I thought you were talking about the lead theory of crime 22:01 <@RangerZ> so ignore what I said before that, lol 22:01 <@northrup> greeting NoFault-M 22:12 <@RangerZ> NoFault-M: You just missed SegFault-M 22:12 <@northrup> Heh 22:12 < NoFault-M> Hm? 22:13 < NoFault-M> How long has he been around? 22:13 < NoFault-M> Or she? 22:13 <@RangerZ> mid 70s 22:13 < NoFault-M> That makes me the newcomer -_- 22:14 <@RangerZ> I don't think there is anyone old enough in here to be able to 'remember' the 70s 22:14 <@RangerZ> either we were born later, or they did enough drugs in the 70s/80s to forget the 70s 22:15 < NoFault-M> I wasn't even a twinkle in my folks eyes then 22:15 <@RangerZ> same 22:16 < NoFault-M> So are you doing a talk this year at pn RangerZ? 22:17 <@RangerZ> haven't really thought about it 22:17 <@RangerZ> been doing a lot of work on MOOCs 22:17 <@RangerZ> haven't really done much 'research' 22:17 < NoFault-M> Stanford MIT or something else? 22:18 <@RangerZ> Coursera courses taught by Univ. of Maryland and Vanderbilt 22:18 <@RangerZ> I've been working on the Vandy courses 22:18 < NoFault-M> I'm looking at an analyst position at work I've been approached about and looking for courses related to data science 22:19 <@RangerZ> https://www.coursera.org/specialization/mobilecloudcomputing2/36 22:19 <@RangerZ> coursera and the other platforms have TONSSSSSSSSSSSSS of those 22:19 <@northrup> Yeah, Coursera has some nice once that I've taken. 22:20 <@RangerZ> Doug and Biswas's one on big data is interesting 22:20 < NoFault-M> Cost reasonable? 22:20 <@RangerZ> free, unless you want certification of accomplishment 22:20 <@RangerZ> that's 40$~100$ ish 22:20 < NoFault-M> I work for McKesson so big data is relevant lol 22:20 < NoFault-M> < Welcome to the club 22:22 <@RangerZ> what do you call it working for 25k/yr when you get 125k job offers? 22:22 <@northrup> Actually - my awakening was at the hands of a dick director in acaedmia and the shifting winds.. so my thought was "If I'm going to get treated this way, I'm damn sure going to get paid well for it" 22:22 < NoFault-M> Charity 22:22 <@RangerZ> grad school 22:23 <@northrup> RangerZ: indeed ;) 22:23 < NoFault-M> I'm looking at a 90k ish offer so not quite that good yet RangerZ 22:23 <@RangerZ> I did the math, the DoD and NSF have spent somewhere over 350k to fund my schooling 22:23 <@RangerZ> thanks those of you who pay taxes ;) 22:23 < NoFault-M> Your welcome ;-) 22:24 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Do you ever have to pay that back? 22:24 <@RangerZ> not 'that' no 22:24 <@RangerZ> my student loans on top of those, yes 22:26 <@RangerZ> mostly from my undergrad, when I needed student loans to be able to afford my first 3 years of undergrad, and housing the 5 years I took (b/c of working full time first 3 years) 22:27 <@RangerZ> http://www.doleta.gov/usworkforce/wia/act.cfm This program will pay for 2 years of training (full tuition, books, etc.) for any US citizen 22:27 < PigBot`> Title: WIA Information and Tools, Employment & Training Administration (ETA) - U.S. Department of Labor (at www.doleta.gov) 22:27 <@RangerZ> WIA = Workforce Investment Act 22:27 <@northrup> for most thigs... especially in STEM, if you're paying for your advanced degree, you're doing it wrong. 22:27 <@RangerZ> there is just a waiting line 22:28 <@RangerZ> vandy just happens to pay 3~4x more for stipends than most other univ. 22:28 <@RangerZ> which is why I'm able to afford an apartment on my own, etc 22:29 <@RangerZ> my friend had a 6 why/o daughter and had to give up full ride to Univ. of Pitt. b/c he couldn't live off the 8k/yr stipend they were giving him 22:30 -!- AndChat|450569 [~AndChat45@c-174-49-14-188.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:31 <@northrup> ouch :( 22:31 <@northrup> man that sucks 22:32 <@RangerZ> that's for grad school for PhD mind you 22:32 <@RangerZ> 7 years 22:33 -!- cyberanger [cyberanger@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.in] 22:33 -!- NoFault-M [~AndChat45@50.153.166.162] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 22:34 <@northrup> How long until you're fully piled higher RangerZ ? 22:35 <@RangerZ> got my masters 22:35 <@RangerZ> and this is my 5th year 22:35 -!- NoFault-M [~AndChat45@50.153.165.39] has joined #se2600 22:35 <@RangerZ> most vandy grad get phd in 5 years 22:35 <@RangerZ> mine will 'hopefully' be 6 22:35 <@RangerZ> b/c I switched advisers/focus areas after my masters 22:35 <@RangerZ> so a bit of non-overlap 22:36 <@northrup> ahh, man it seems like there's a lot of change up over in EECS these days 22:36 <@RangerZ> once I get my PhD, if I can't find a good teaching position, I might take a TON of MOOC MBA stuff 22:37 <@RangerZ> since I already have a bunch of mang. exp. from when I was younger in retail 22:37 <@RangerZ> try to become the PHB ;) 22:37 -!- AndChat|450569 [~AndChat45@c-174-49-14-188.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:37 <@northrup> Everyone needs a hobby ;) 22:37 <@RangerZ> "why are you spending all day sitting in meetings and not doing anything productive?" 22:38 <@RangerZ> "because it pays more for now" 22:38 <@RangerZ> lol 22:38 <@northrup> LOL 22:38 -!- cyberanger [cyberanger@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fec8:613b] has joined #se2600 22:39 <@northrup> on an off hand to that, I can't tell you the number of times I've been in meetings looking around thinking "I know how much I make if you run it down to a per hour rate... these other folks have to be close... this meeting, with this many people, for this long, just cost of 10k and nothing got done" 22:44 < NoFault-M> Lol 22:44 < NoFault-M> I know that feeling 22:44 < NoFault-M> 32 person 1hr meeting and all everyone did was complain about the new phone system 22:45 <@northrup> Aye! Or how something didn't get done the way someone THOUGHT it should have... 22:45 < NoFault-M> Despite the fact that it was made clear that xyz want was out of scope 22:46 < NoFault-M> Gives me time to catch up on my recreational reading though so personal net gain 22:46 -!- cyberanger [cyberanger@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fec8:613b] has quit [Changing host] 22:46 -!- cyberanger [cyberanger@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has joined #se2600 22:46 <@northrup> My favorite is a meetig where all that gets done is assign tasks, followed up next week by another hour long meeting where they talk about the STATUS of the tasks... 22:47 <@northrup> meanwhile, no WORK is actually being done. 22:47 <@northrup> NoFault-M: Right on - me too... I sometimes use that time to patch my personal home machines and systems so that I can play at night... 22:47 <@northrup> LOL 22:48 < NoFault-M> My favorite is the 5hr sev1 call that takes a site down because at&t went down and took it out because the business didn't want to pay for a redundant ISP wan link 22:49 < NoFault-M> 18 senior engineers/architects 9 svps and an ops drone 22:50 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 22:50 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 22:50 < NoFault-M> Estimated business impact 3.7 mil 22:51 < NoFault-M> Does the site have a redundant ISP now? Nope 22:52 <@northrup> HAHA... I know you said McKessen, but I'll be damned if it doesn't sound like we work for the same place. 22:52 <@northrup> had that EXACT same thing happen at a Toronto site last Friday... 23:03 < NoFault-M> Lol 23:04 < NoFault-M> At&T lost a backbone router which took down that hub in Nashville due to a hardware failure 23:04 < NoFault-M> My response wtf 23:12 <@RangerZ> so... did other people realize that Amazon delivers on Sunday now? 23:12 <@RangerZ> via the USPS 23:13 <@klixa> RangerZ: yes 23:13 <@klixa> i got a package 2 sundays ago 23:13 <@klixa> thats when i lesrned 23:21 <@RangerZ> yeah I got a relative humidity sensor coming to see what the rel. hum. is inside my apartment, I'm thinking its way too high 23:22 <@RangerZ> ordered it for 9.99 and was like " sure, whenever the soonest free shipping is"... wait... Sunday.... 23:23 < NoFault-M> Klixa til today when my sister in law stored by and said she had to work tomorrow I was like but you work for the post office and she explained 23:23 < NoFault-M> Stopped by* 23:25 <@klixa> kinda sucks for your sister in law NoFault-M 23:25 <@klixa> after i learned iw as getting it on a sunday, i googled some stuff, and a lot of postal employees were working weeks at a time wiht no days off cause of amazon 23:26 < NoFault-M> Yep 23:26 < NoFault-M> It was a deal they brokered due to operating in the red 23:26 -!- cyberanger [cyberanger@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:27 < NoFault-M> From my understanding USPS went to Amazon 23:28 <@RangerZ> to be honest it makes PERFECT sense 23:28 <@RangerZ> USPS should cancel service on tue/thur 23:28 <@RangerZ> and be done with it 23:28 <@RangerZ> offer sat/sun delivery 23:29 <@klixa> RangerZ: they do have saturday already 23:29 <@klixa> always have 23:30 <@klixa> the usps also has deals with fedex or ups, maybe both... but i order from Carter's/Osh Kosh alot, and the final leg of the journey is passed to the usps 23:30 <@klixa> i think it starts with ups... 23:30 -!- cyberanger [cyberanger@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fec8:613b] has joined #se2600 23:30 <@RangerZ> congress wants USPS to cancel sat. delievery 23:30 <@RangerZ> as that was one of the Post Master General's 'possible ideas' 23:31 <@RangerZ> for how they could run in the black ....after congress made them pre-fund the retirement funds of employees who aren't yet born 23:31 <@RangerZ> I'd like to see ANY company do that 23:33 <@klixa> luckily we have fed ex, ups, dsl, and some other ones 23:33 -!- sync350 [~sync@c-24-99-250-250.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Screw you guys, I'm goin home] 23:33 <@klixa> and email/facebook for everything else 23:37 < NoFault-M> Still messed up 23:41 <@klixa> yeah 23:44 <@klixa> RangerZ: soooo...whats next? a demudifier? :P 23:44 <@klixa> dehumidifier* 23:56 -!- cyberanger [cyberanger@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fec8:613b] has quit [Changing host] 23:56 -!- cyberanger [cyberanger@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has joined #se2600 --- Log closed Sun Aug 30 00:00:33 2015