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07:28 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:09 <@Dagmar> Wow
08:09 <@Dagmar> The /. article on the Hugo Awards has a complete shitshow of cluelessness going on in the comments.
08:13 <@Evilpig> you expected insight?
08:13 <@Dagmar> It's just pissy that of the lot of them, any given five morons can upvote something to 5:Informative even if it's dead wrong
08:14 <@Dagmar> There are dumbasses CONVINCED that the SJW's didn't actually push for No Award votes simply because there was an author nominated in the category that people not obsessed with genitalia liked.
08:14 <@Dagmar> Yet...
08:14 <@Dagmar> http://deirdre.net/the-puppy-free-hugo-award-voters-guide/
08:25 <@Dagmar> Whoa
08:26 <@Dagmar> GO AMC!
08:26 <@Dagmar> I completely forgot the Fear The Walking Dead was premiering last night
08:26 <@Dagmar> ...started to hit up The Pirate Bay.
08:26 <@Dagmar> ...but wait!  First episode is on their website for streaming with no login required or anything.
08:26 <@Dagmar> PIRACY STOPPED.
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08:42 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: https://www.dropbox.com/s/gpbtftp1g13kl9o/Screen%20Shot%202015-08-24%20at%208.42.33%20AM.png?dl=0
08:43 <@Dagmar> Damnit.  Except their website is malfunctioning
08:43 <@Dagmar> Go go gadget uTorrent!
08:43 <@Evilpig> sometimes shit is just for convenience
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08:49 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: have I asked you if you are watching rick and morty?
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09:13 <@Dagmar> Nope, and nope
09:13 <@Evilpig> seriously check it out.
09:14 <@Evilpig> seen it referenced a few places now as one of the truly original sci-fi series right now
09:15 <@Evilpig> http://nerdist.com/guess-what-rick-and-morty-is-the-best-sci-fi-show-on-tv/
09:16 <@Evilpig> Rick and Morty - S02E04   went dark... so dark.
09:20 <@Dolemite> What did you think of this week's Dark Matter?
09:20 <@Evilpig> it was better than most of the rest of the series
09:20 <@Dolemite> yeah, starting to get a bit more interesting
09:21 <@Evilpig> they've shown that an android in that universe doesn't have to shut its eyes to do shit so they should stop the one from making it all garbage
09:49 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: have you checked out rick and morty?
09:50 <@Dolemite> Nope, notyet
09:50 <@Dolemite> same with halt and catch fire
09:51 <@Dolemite> and shameless
09:51 <@Evilpig> hehe shameless
09:52 <@oddball> I kind of gave up on Shameless.  It stopped being "stupid people doing whcky things" and got serious and depressing.
09:53 <@Evilpig> it still has its moments
09:53 <@Evilpig> but yeah they went down the mental road pretty heavily
10:03 <@oddball> Ok... so... someone recommended watching Wet Hot Summer on Netflix.  So far, it's stupid.
10:03 <@Dagmar> You couldn't tell that from the boxart?
10:05 <@Evilpig> I'm gonna have to side with Dagmar on this one
10:06 <@Evilpig> oh god they made a second one 
10:06 <@Evilpig> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4341500/?ref_=nv_sr_1
10:06 < PigBot`> Title: Wet Hot American Summer: First Day of Camp (TV Series 2015– ) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
10:07 <@Evilpig> my bad. they made a series out of it.  even worse
10:07 <@oddball> Dagmar: Yeah... that's why I hadn't tried watching it until now.
10:07 <@oddball> And yeah, I'm talking about the TV show.
10:11 <@oddball> ok.  Half way through the first episode, and enough of that crap.
10:13  * oddball tries Z Nation instead.
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10:52 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: You expect slashdot to have good comments?
10:53 <@Dagmar> No more than any site that allows users to talk
10:53 <@Dagmar> It's just that Slashdot's granularity is very _weak_ with all it requiring is _five_ votes
10:53 <@Dagmar> Reddit is a bit more flexible in that respect
10:53 <@Dagmar> Also, people can be downvoted to oblivion, so there's at least _some_ impetus to not say incredibly stupid shit
10:54 <@oddball> never read the comments.
10:54 < _NSAKEY> Amen.
10:54 < _NSAKEY> Comments are the bane of all websites that allow them.
10:54 <@Dolemite> Absolutely
10:54 <@Dagmar> Well, mainly I check the comments when the story itself is deranged
10:54 < _NSAKEY> Also, they're called "lusers" for a very good reason, and should always be regarded as such.
10:54 <@Dagmar> ...and don't act like that doesn't happen literally all over the web.
10:55 < _NSAKEY> It does.
10:55 <@Dagmar> Of all the stories that could have made it up onto Slashdot about the Hugo Awards debacle, one of the worst made it in first
10:55 <@Dolemite> Wow, October is about 5 weeks early this year - at least, that Stock Market thinks so
10:55 < _NSAKEY> Part of slashdot's better commenters broke off when the forced beta happened last year and went to Soylent News. It's small, and largely free of stupid, but it has some people.
10:55 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: That's usually how Slashdot goes. The worst possible summary makes it to the front page.
10:56 < _NSAKEY> I registered a Slashdot account back in 2009 for one simple reason: Block all stories approved by kdawson.
10:56 <@Dagmar> lol
10:57 < _NSAKEY> That guy was psychologically incapable of doing anything right.
10:57 < _NSAKEY> Everyone called the stories "kdawson FUD" with good reason.
10:57 <@Dagmar> For all I know the person who approved the article might be some goddamn SJW trying to muddy the waters
10:58 <@Dagmar> Having some SMEs might help /. quite a bit
10:58 < _NSAKEY> SMEs?
10:58 <@Dagmar> Subject Matter Experts
10:58 <@Dagmar> In this case, someone who actually pays attention to Science Fiction literature as a field, rather than someone who just watches BSG
10:58 < _NSAKEY> SMEs wouldn't help the tsunami of stupid that is slashdot.
10:59 < _NSAKEY> Dice appears to be actively trying to destroy it, with as stupid as they ar.
10:59 <@Dagmar> No, but it would help keep stories like the one in question being the one they rebroadcast
10:59 <@Dolemite> It's gotten to the point where I have to ignore all "Ask Slashdot" posts.  The stupid hurts too much, even without reading the comments.
11:00 < _NSAKEY> Hahaha.
11:00 < _NSAKEY> Dolemite: There was a time in your life when Ask Slashdot didn't cause you pain?
11:00 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Can you sum up this Hugo Award thing? I haven't really kept up with it.
11:00 <@Dolemite> It used to ask for factual answers.  Now it seems to be blatant troll bait by asking opinions.
11:00 < _NSAKEY> This Wired piece makes it sound like the two feuding factions got overruled by random fans.
11:01 <@Dagmar> Yeah no problem
11:01 < _NSAKEY> Dolemite: That's been going on for a few years. It seems to have gotten worse, like everything else on Slashdot, right after taco retired.
11:01 <@Dagmar> Initially some SJW decided for some reason that Science Fiction has too long been predominantly the realm of the geeky white male
11:01 <@Dagmar> They decided that this was the real reason so many geeky white males won awards for it
11:02 < _NSAKEY> If Slashdot's quality could be graphed over time, there would be a huge drop in the line around the time he quit.
11:02 <@Dolemite> * or stories about geeky white males
11:02 <@Dagmar> They decided that what needs to happen is that some transgender people of color desperately needed to win a bunch of awards
11:02 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Sounds suspiciously like what they do about... Virtually everything.
11:02 <@Dagmar> So they found a bunch and then started trying to vote stuff to get them nominated
11:02 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: The Wired peace was a bit... mmm... incomplete.
11:03 <@Dagmar> A bunch of of the aforementioned geeky white males who grew up on science fiction saw this happening and said, "No, we're not those people.  We actually don't care if you have a penis or not.  These awards are for _good fiction_."
11:03 <@Dagmar> ...an argument ensued with much mudslinging on the part of the SJWs
11:04 <@Dagmar> What eventually happened was the SJWs got together and made a list of all the categories in which there were non-SJW authors nominated, and told all their people to vote "No award" for the category.
11:04 < _NSAKEY> oddball: That's why I closed the tab without finishing.
11:04 <@oddball> couple examples: Sarah Hoyt is one of the organizers of the Sad Puppies, but people keep forgetting that because she's a woman and that doesn't jive with the "they just hate women/minorities" message.
11:04 <@Dagmar> Basically, fuck those people
11:04 < _NSAKEY> So did the SJWs win?
11:05 <@Dagmar> Teh Scifi fandom is literally the _last_ place you're going to find bullshit like racism and so on, because there are soooo many stories that are in large part centered on the idea that such things are _wrong_
11:05 <@Dagmar> Some of the fiction is rather unhinged about that, in fact
11:05 <@oddball> Also, Vox's "Rabid Puppies" campaign was completely a "me too!" operation from an asshat and really had nothing to do with the Sad Puppies.
11:05 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: they always will until we reverse this PC culture
11:06 <@Dagmar> oddball: Mainly, troll or not, I think it was Vox's influence that made it clear the SJWs were more interested in everyone adhering to the beat of their drum, rather than seeing genuinely good fiction win anything
11:06 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: In that they got more "no award given" this year than there have been handed out... ever? yes.
11:06 <@Dagmar> If they hadn't had him to focus on we'd have no way of knowing for sure how much of an unhealthy influence they were
11:06 <@oddball> Dagmar: I disagree, but whatever.
11:06 <@Dagmar> They might not have freaked out and started ballot stuffing with No Award
11:07 <@oddball> Oh, and one of the categories that was given a "no award" was the "best editor" category... where 2nd and 3rd place were women... but they were the wrong types of people.
11:07 <@Dagmar> I would personally rather see "No Award" win, rather than see fiction of questionable merit get a Hugo just because the author has gender identity issues
11:08 <@oddball> (the chief editor for Baen, who's conservative, and another lady that the Sad Puppies endorsed)
11:08 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: Probably the quickest way to change that is to vote for Donald Trump and damn the torpedos.
11:08 <@Dagmar> If you are black or gay or hispanic or have three vaginas, I DO NOT GIVE ONE SINGLE DAMN
11:08 <@Evilpig> if he were for digging a big pit for the undesirables and shoving them in, i'd be down
11:08 <@Dagmar> What I care about is whether an author can write a good book
11:09 <@Dagmar> If these books had to be written with a penis, I'd probably be wanting mainly male authors tho
11:09 <@oddball> Dagmar: The folks that were campaigning for the no awards were the SJW types... because Sad Puppy endorsed folks *were on the ballet for that category.*
11:09 <@Dagmar> Yep
11:09 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: There are probably plenty of abandoned strip mining operations that would make a good start.
11:10 <@Dagmar> It makes it very clear just how much impact they _would_ have had, were they not explictly looking to suborn the vonting process
11:10 <@Dagmar> So... going forward, no one can deny that this kind of idiocy is a threat
11:10 <@Evilpig> the town that was lost to the coal fire would be a good one
11:10 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: Do you mean the one where the fire is still burning?
11:11 <@Evilpig> exactly
11:11 <@Evilpig> just open it up a bit and start shoving them down
11:11 <@oddball> Dagmar: Honestly? Scifi fandom is completely overrun with the "tolerant" types.  SJWs everywhere.
11:11 < _NSAKEY> That certainly helps from a space efficiency standpoint...
11:11 <@Dagmar> Maybe drum it into people's heads with psychdelics and a loudspeaker "THE RULE IS THAT OF GOOD FICTION AND THAT IS THE WHOLE OF THE RULE"
11:11 <@Dagmar> oddball: That sort of makes us especially vulnerable to wooly-headed bullshit
11:11 <@Evilpig> that or the "hell hole" over in russia?  the one that was full of methane and someone thought it'd be a bright idea to burn it off and that shit's still burning
11:12 <@Dagmar> ...and they can get traction with us, because so many of us are used to being in isolated little groupos.
11:12 <@oddball> I'm used to probably being the most conservative person at a scifi con... unless I'm at LibertyCon.
11:12 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: Some time getting re-educated by Vladimir Putin might do a few of them some good, but that's a good idea.
11:12 < _NSAKEY> Make them Russia's problem.
11:12 <@Dagmar> If enough people are screaming "OH MY GOD!  MILLIONS OF RACISTS EVERYWHERE!" it's easy to suspect there _might_ be a bunch of racists if you really only talk to 20-30 people
11:13 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: this is the problem with social media
11:13 <@Evilpig> it's allowed the crazies to congregate and gain critical mass where before they'd have been stuck in their basements
11:13 <@Dagmar> I thought the problem was that it lacked a "Destroy" button next to the "Like" and "Share" buttons
11:14 <@Evilpig> there can't be a destroy button because I alone would have made the US full of craters from dumbshits
11:14 <@oddball> Hell, I think you saw the uproar on my FaceBook when I said that I read books that I like, and don't give a shit about the race/gender/etc of the author.
11:14 <@Dagmar> Yep.
11:15 <@Dagmar> I'll never capitulate to fuckers who want to put an obsession with genitals over the quality of the fiction tho
11:15 <@Evilpig> you could probably make a stink by getting an author to install a window through a book signing table so you can inspect their nethers to make sure you agree with them.
11:15 <@oddball> ha!
11:16 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm going to keep flogging that "obsession with genitalia" phrase, because it's appropriately offensive, and _entirely_ accurate
11:16 <@oddball> That reminds me... I need this "trigger warning" shirt: http://www.sharppointythings.com/tshirts-Trigger%20Warning.html
11:16 < PigBot`> Title: Trigger Warning - T-Shirts - SharpPointyThings.com (at www.sharppointythings.com)
11:17 <@Dagmar> It's not fair to ask me to argue with offensive logic and still maintain total politeness
11:17 <@Dagmar> Damnit.
11:17 <@Dagmar> I thought that was going to be like the "EXPLICIT LYRICS" warning label, but on a shirt
11:18 <@Dagmar> I may have to do something with Cafe Press finally
11:18 <@oddball> Oh, I think some folks have already done that.
11:18 <@oddball> yep: http://www.zazzle.com/trigger_warning_black_t_shirt-235871656040219523
11:18 < PigBot`> Title: Trigger Warning - Black T shirt | Zazzle (at www.zazzle.com)
11:19 <@oddball> Of course, I think this is more your style: http://www.sharppointythings.com/tshirts-World%20Burn.html
11:19 < PigBot`> Title: World Burn - T-Shirts - SharpPointyThings.com (at www.sharppointythings.com)
11:19 <@Dagmar> oddball: The "interesting content" is too far
11:19 <@Dagmar> I'll mock up the actual explicit lyrics sticker later
11:19 <@oddball> Mad Mike has some wonderful shirts for ticking off a certain crowd.
11:19 <@Dagmar> The byline should be saying "offensive content" or something like that
11:20 <@oddball> http://www.redbubble.com/people/rkandko/works/13073981-trigger-warning?body_color=white&country_code=US&p=t-shirt&print_location=front&size=medium&style=longsleeve&utm_campaign=shopping&utm_medium=google_products&utm_source=google&gclid=Cj0KEQjwgeuuBRCiwpD0hP3Cg4kBEiQAHflm1iKUNvHHna0nQr9-jn2i-RjpScrwmNqZdx7HMaaxrtQaAtty8P8HAQ
11:20 < PigBot`> Title: "Trigger Warning" T-Shirts & Hoodies by RKandKO | Redbubble (at www.redbubble.com)
11:20 <@oddball> Like that one?
11:20 <@Dagmar> I('m not reassembling that link
11:20 <@oddball> oops... sorry
11:21 <@Dagmar> I'll take a Google at it later
11:21 <@oddball> It has "explicit content" under it.
11:21 <@Dagmar> if I don't find anything appropriately done, I'll go over to Cafe Press
11:21 <@oddball> Yeah... those two were the top two hits off of google.
11:21 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Try this: http://www.redbubble.com/people/rkandko/works/13073981-trigger-warning
11:21 < PigBot`> Title: "Trigger Warning" T-Shirts & Hoodies by RKandKO | Redbubble (at www.redbubble.com)
11:22 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: yeah that's way more like what I had in mind
11:22 <@oddball> That was it.  _NSAKEY was faster than me going to TinyURL.
11:22 <@Dagmar> I also want to keep my options open to make a nasty joke about excess whitespace
11:22 <@Evilpig> space racist
11:22 < _NSAKEY> I learned a long time ago that you can usually drop stuff after an & in a URL without too much trouble.
11:23 <@Evilpig> why does it have to be white space?  what's wrong with padding?  just because you're white you think you're entitles to the extra space in my shit?!
11:24 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: yeah... I was just being lazy.
11:26 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/DPRK_News/status/635835316532813824
11:26 < PigBot`> Title: DPRK News Service on Twitter: "Supreme Peoples Assembly increases penalty for possession of Japanese imperialist pokemon devices from 5 years of labor reform to 20 years." (at twitter.com)
11:28 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: Thank you.  THat let me be one of the very first people to mouth off at the DPRK
11:29 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I'm still convinced that account is satire.
11:29 <@Dagmar> leeyaa: You pretty much have to tell it to send only one packet before you can use it for that
11:30 <@Dagmar> 2#$@#$
11:30 < _NSAKEY> http://newsbusters.org/blogs/pj-gladnick/2015/01/05/cnn-scammed-north-korean-parody-twitter-account
11:30 < PigBot`> Title: CNN Scammed by North Korean Parody Twitter Account (at newsbusters.org)
11:30 < _NSAKEY> I guess that solves that...
11:32 < _NSAKEY> Still, your tweet works as a joke.
11:34 <@Dagmar> The problem with that twitter account lies in the DPRK itself
11:34 <@Dagmar> it's hard to effectively spoof the insane
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11:52 <@Dagmar> So... I'm watching Fear The Walking Dead, and a cordless phone starts ringing
11:52 <@Dagmar> $husband and $wife begin looking at each other with concern and trepidation
11:53 <@Dagmar> Am I wrong in that my first thought was "THey're properly ashamed they still have a land-line phone."
11:53 <@Dagmar> Does that make me a bad person?
11:53 <@oddball> heh
11:54 <@oddball> I have thought about getting a land line... since there have been times where cell traffic was fucked, but you could still get out on a land line.
12:24 <@oddball> bwahahaha.... apparently there have been some nashville.gov email addys in the Ashley Madison leak.
12:24 <@Evilpig> that shouldn't be overly surprising
12:25 <@oddball> Not really no.  Just amusing.
13:12 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: ping
13:12 <@Evilpig> just provisioned 6 servers, 5 of them died
13:13 < aestetix> haha
13:13 <@Evilpig> dell's suggestion from this morning made the problem worse
13:13 < aestetix> Evilpig: what killed them?
13:13 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/7kjziiy94p4s1xw/Screen%20Shot%202015-08-24%20at%2012.36.56%20PM.png?dl=0
13:13 <@Evilpig> this
13:14 < aestetix> well that's five fewer servers hosting porn blogs
13:22 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: pong
13:23 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: Is there any way you can replicate this strategy tumblr-wide and solve that particular problem?
13:23 <@Evilpig> no
13:24 < _NSAKEY> What a travesty.
13:25 < aestetix> you know
13:25 < aestetix> if Evilpig gave a talk at phreaknic called "how to kill tumblr" but didn't actually do anything
13:25 < aestetix> I think that would be ok
13:41 < aestetix> boo I just came up with anotehr question for Corydon
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16:39 < _NSAKEY> oddball: http://www.timesfreepress.com/news/breakingnews/story/2015/aug/20/detroit-area-mayor-seeks-ban-personal-flamethrowers/320899/
16:39 < PigBot`> Title: Detroit-area mayor seeks ban on personal flamethrowers | Breaking News | Times Free Press (at www.timesfreepress.com)
16:49 <@Dagmar> Why not ban nukes while they're at it
16:50 <@Dagmar> If a man can't have a flamethrower, how the hell is he supposed to properly defend himself against a plague of locusts?
16:50 <@Dagmar> ...or clowns?
16:50 <@Evilpig> or hotdog wielding children
17:10 <@Dagmar> I'm definitely driving a certain SJW fangirl on Facebook nuts now
17:10 <@Dagmar> lol
17:10 <@Dagmar> Any way you spin it the SJWs fucked themselves
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17:35 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Do you have more than 1 of those?
17:36 <@Dagmar> No, ther'es just the one
17:36 <@Dagmar> She appears to be under the impression that the SJWs were doing the right thing.
18:05 <@Dagmar> o.O
18:05 <@Dagmar> https://plus.google.com/+LennartPoetteringTheOneAndOnly/posts/VUzeRLf5g5m
18:14 <@Evilpig> if that isn't proof that systemd has been overtaken by scope creep I don't think you will ever be able to be convinced
18:15 <@Evilpig> He might be trying to joke but that shit isn't
18:15 <@Dagmar> It's not the real Lennart account but it *is* funny as hell
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21:18 <@Evilpig> https://t.co/uAmIs6xkxe
21:18 < PigBot`> Title: Rob DenBleyker on Periscope (at t.co)
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22:03 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: It's just another step in the GNU/systemd treadmill.
22:04 < _NSAKEY> I won't be surprised if that actually happens.
22:30 <@Dagmar> Check it out... A jogger detection device http://i.imgur.com/hWkRuR8.jpg
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