--- Log opened Wed Aug 19 00:00:33 2015 00:13 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Found a cheap trick in FS for the second column of elevators. Build them from the lowest level up. Each one comes with a free elevator for the floor below it if there's a room there. 00:20 -!- robogoat [~robogoat@c-24-126-240-124.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 00:26 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: bleh] 01:09 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@2601:282:701:bc3b:f436:8cca:3b4d:369] has joined #se2600 01:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 06:04 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@2601:282:701:bc3b:f436:8cca:3b4d:369] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:04 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@2601:282:701:bc3b:f436:8cca:3b4d:369] has joined #se2600 06:04 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 06:11 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 06:11 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 06:54 < NotLarry> ping 07:16 < aestetix> NotLarry: vagina 07:22 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:28 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 07:41 * aestetix hugs Dolemite 07:41 < aestetix> Dolemite: if you could have any toy, what would you get? 07:42 <@Dolemite> A 3d printer 07:43 < aestetix> what would you print? 07:50 < aestetix> I assume something besides a Donald Trump butt plug 07:50 <@Dolemite> I'm sure the first thing I'd print would be something simple, like a 6 sided die 08:12 < aestetix> Ok, I think I have an analogy. 08:13 < aestetix> The Ashley Madison hack is going to do to the private sector/citizenry what the OPM hack did to the intelligence community. 08:13 < aestetix> It is just as bad, if not worse. 08:14 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@192.170.136.170] has joined #se2600 08:14 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@192.170.136.170] has quit [Changing host] 08:14 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 08:14 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 08:16 <@Dolemite> Except that with the OPM breach, there was no option to enter fake data 08:16 < aestetix> Right. 08:16 <@Dolemite> Anybody who put real information into a cheating website is an idiot 08:16 <@Dolemite> Granted, the world is full of idiots 08:17 < aestetix> Agreed. 08:17 < aestetix> If I don't like my colleague Bill, why not enter him into that database? 08:17 < aestetix> He'll have a fun time with his wife now. 08:18 < aestetix> I'm just getting tired of these "hackers" playing God. Some things are best left unaired. 08:18 <@rattle> Haw haw haw --> "I'm just getting tired of these "hackers" playing God. Some things are best left unaired." 08:19 < aestetix> rattle: did an angel sing? 08:19 <@rattle> No script kiddies are getting their wings today. 08:19 < aestetix> heh 08:19 < aestetix> rattle: I'm just as unhappy about the OPM hack. 08:23 < aestetix> rattle: I hope the point was clear. 08:36 <@rattle> Yeah, your info is in there. Sucker. 08:39 -!- crashcart [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-epodlhrpvmgecgdo] has joined #se2600 08:45 <@Dagmar> aestetix: So far the Ashley Madison hack hasn't done much of anything 08:51 <@rattle> Give it another week. 08:51 <@Evilpig> give the tabloids time to really dig in and find the scandals 08:51 < aestetix> Well given that I only knew about Ashley Madison because of this hack.... then again I am not really their target demographic 08:51 <@Dagmar> in the meantime, it's Christmas for me 08:51 <@Evilpig> I heard about them on the radio alot 08:51 <@Dagmar> One of the things I've always wanted was a copy of the list of naughty little girls 08:52 <@rattle> Good luck there. The site is mostly male. It's a scam to hook up desperate dudes with escorts. 08:52 < aestetix> rattle: the issue I have is the same as with the OPM hack. It's exposure of people's private lives. 08:52 < aestetix> It's the same way I am ok with seeing all the hacks Hacking Team was working on, but I am not ok with seeing their personal emails. 08:52 <@Dagmar> At this point, that means they're likely _employed_ naughty little girls 08:53 <@rattle> If they were employing enough naughty little girls, they wouldn't be signing up for the site. 08:53 < aestetix> I am not a moral judge, but I'm happily a judge of whether, as a public servant, you are doing your duties I elected you for. 08:53 < aestetix> Thus I don't care if Hillary gave Putin a blowjob, unless it was in a government office or on a taxpayer's dime. 08:53 <@rattle> That said, I don't believe in fucking in your chain of command. 08:54 < aestetix> and now I have to live with that mental image 08:54 < aestetix> rattle: that too 08:56 <@rattle> Also, the OPM hack is in its own category. Drawing analogies to it and anything is going to be flawed. 08:56 < aestetix> True. 08:56 <@rattle> What a clusterfuck. 08:56 <@rattle> I'm still awed by it. 08:56 < aestetix> I don't like what the NSA is doing, but I also don't like putting all the NSA employees on a crucifix. 08:58 <@rattle> I honestly still can't wrap my head around the ramifications of it. 08:58 <@Dagmar> loooool http://gaming.msi.com/features/afterburner 08:58 < PigBot> Title: Afterburner | MSI Gaming Series (at gaming.msi.com) 08:58 < aestetix> rattle: also, IMHO the OPM hack is 100x worse than anything Snowden could possibly have leaked. 08:58 <@Dagmar> Scroll all the way to tbe bottom of that 08:59 < aestetix> Even if Snowden had just dumped all his shit through wikileaks or something, it would not have been as bad. 08:59 < aestetix> This of course assumes the OPM stuff becomes public. 08:59 <@rattle> I doubt it's going to become public. 09:00 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: mobile app... are you shitting me? 09:00 <@Dagmar> heheheh 09:00 <@rattle> MSS is just going to have its never-ending field-day. 09:00 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I'm wondering if it's as "secure" as Logitech's Arx Control 09:01 <@Dagmar> I would really be amusedd to find someone put a utility out for Windows that lets you remotely melt viddy cards 09:01 <@rattle> And as best as I can tell, we're retaliating by fucking with their nocs, and that's about it. 09:01 < aestetix> rattle: but then there is the issue of anticipation, and wondering if it will become public. 09:01 < aestetix> I mean fuck. I have mixed feelings about what Snowden did, but at least they have redacted names. 09:03 <@rattle> All is fair in love and espionage. 09:03 <@rattle> Gotta love all the sex, drugs, and non-official cover. 09:03 <@Dagmar> ...until someone decides to escalate from just stealing info and drops some bombs or blows up some buildings 09:04 < aestetix> You mean like McVeigh? 09:04 <@rattle> I don't think we've got to worry about that in the case of the Chinese, at least. 09:04 <@Dagmar> No, more like Pearl Harbor. 09:05 <@Dagmar> If they want to escalate straight to attacking Merrill-Lynch and Bank of America, that's also fine with me. 09:05 < aestetix> Dagmar: or Fannie Mae 09:05 <@rattle> That happens on a daily basis. So, like, whatever. 09:05 <@Dagmar> No, I mean _take them out_ 09:05 <@Dagmar> A cyber attack to completely destroy them 09:06 <@Dagmar> Big Evil Corp goes boom, millions of Americans are now suddenly in the black for the first time ever in their lives, lessons are learned, everyone's happy 09:06 < aestetix> I'd also like to see the DHS just sort of go away. 09:06 <@rattle> Modern deterrence practice renders that whole concept basically the fodder of Hollywood movies rather than actual risks. 09:06 <@rattle> I'd like to see DHS be useful. 09:07 < aestetix> Or at the very least, the TSA. That sham serves absolutely no logical purpose except fearmongering. 09:07 <@rattle> Dagmar: Lehman Brothers? Yeah, that worked out great. 09:07 <@Dagmar> In response, the US's only option is to ban the importation of eCogs and the Hipster population takes a 30% dive 09:08 < aestetix> rattle: that is a great alternative. At the moment the DHS does nothing except waste taxpayer dollars and make up fake terrorist scares to justify its existence. 09:08 <@Dagmar> Don't be silly. 09:08 <@Dagmar> They didn't have all their records destroyed. 09:08 < aestetix> I have said this point blank to people who work for DHS. 09:08 <@Dagmar> All they did was walk away from their _own_ debt. Everyone who still owed them money continue to be held accountable 09:09 < aestetix> They could accomplish the same mission TSA serves by ending TSA and just setting a basic income, since TSA is basically a welfare occupation anyways. 09:10 <@rattle> TSA is another org that could be useful if it wasn't run like a shit show. 09:10 < aestetix> I'd also like to see McCain retire before he becomes any more of a crank. He is a war hero and I'd prefer to remember him as such. 09:11 <@rattle> Just make the fucking lines move, don't cause unnecessary inconvenience, and leverage good intelligence when you've got it. Pretty simple. 09:11 <@Evilpig> still say we should replace all their uniforms at the airports with kimono's and put them in kabuki masks so the security theater experince is complete 09:11 < aestetix> rattle: and not operate on secret laws, violate civil liberties, and change procedure all the time. 09:11 <@rattle> The changing procedures thing is about the only smart thing they do. 09:11 < aestetix> rattle: or can someone please point me to the law that allows them to demand government ID to fly? and do NOT cite the commerce clause 09:12 <@Evilpig> the tsa makes no fucking sense on half the shit they do 09:12 < aestetix> rattle: in principle it makes sense, but not the way they do it 09:12 <@Evilpig> lines are long, then they shunt people over to the prescanned queues 09:12 <@rattle> As I said, it's a shit show. 09:12 <@Evilpig> laptop in, laptop out? no fucking difference 09:12 <@Evilpig> same equipment both sides... 09:12 <@Dagmar> The difference is if they want to rifle through someone's shit, they just have to wait for them to try to take a flight 09:12 <@Evilpig> leave you laptop in and go through the schmuck lines and you get to stop while they swab all yoru shit for explosives 09:13 <@rattle> I have seen demos of what the X-ray analysts see.. And it does actually speed things up to pull out the laptops. For what that's worth.. 09:13 < aestetix> Like, how about having a light that turns on with algorithmic randomness, and that is what prompts a search? 09:13 <@Evilpig> aestetix: that could be done by marking the ticket when it prints 09:13 < aestetix> rattle: perhaps they could issue transparency reports about what they do instead of this "just trust us" bullshit 09:13 <@rattle> Of course, instructions like "take all devices with batteries and lay them flat" is too hard for people to understand, so it's impractical. 09:14 < aestetix> If they can use facts to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that TSA works, I would shut up. 09:14 <@rattle> It doesn't work. 09:14 < aestetix> There you go. 09:14 <@rattle> The TSA Red Team exercises are comedy from what I've heard. 09:14 < aestetix> The only actual useful thing I have seen is the barcode scan. 09:14 < aestetix> IE when you hand your ticket to the agent and they scan to make sure it's a valid ticket. 09:14 <@rattle> "Thanks Chris(tm)" 09:14 <@Evilpig> rattle: there's also the shit if I took everythign I was carrying with me that had a battery and laid it flat i'd be spending 5+ minutes loading and unloading my bag 09:15 <@Evilpig> +1 minute for them to take extra on x-raying beats that 09:15 < aestetix> Although you could easily do that at the airplane itself, prevent the guy with a bomb from getting on, and let grandparents meet their kids at the terminal like you could in 1999 09:15 <@Evilpig> and then you can go off on the shoes... 09:15 <@rattle> The size of the battery matters. Laptops do sorta go over the line. Very hard to determine what they are looking at. They do have a legit problem there. 09:15 <@Evilpig> come the fuck on 09:16 <@rattle> The shoes thing is complete bullshit. 09:16 < aestetix> rattle: until I see figures on how many bombs are built into laptops, I disagree. 09:16 <@oddball> rattle: Have I told you about the time that I accidentally flew to NYC and back with live ammo in my carry on? 09:17 <@oddball> Didn't realize it until I was looking for something a week later. 09:17 <@rattle> oddball: I made the same fuckup on a flight to Shanghai and got caught. That was awkward. 09:17 <@oddball> Oh shit 09:17 <@rattle> Yep.. Had a few rounds of 7.62 in my bag that must have fallen out of a clip. 09:17 <@rattle> Awkward. 09:17 <@oddball> One of my buddies knows a guy that had the same thing happen to him in India. 09:18 <@rattle> I was sorta impressed they found it. 09:18 <@Evilpig> rattle: identify the bomb in this picture. https://goo.gl/photos/ZXaFWtK2mdwVh2Qw8 09:18 <@Evilpig> contents of my laptop bag, today 09:18 <@oddball> Other countries tend to not understand "fuck, these things happen" when it comes to ammo. 09:18 <@opticron> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2010/11/adam-savage-tsa-saw-my-junk-missed-12-razor-blades/ 09:18 < PigBot> Title: Adam Savage: TSA saw my junk, missed 12 razor blades | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) 09:18 <@rattle> One of the things about their bullshit procedures, is you can't tell when they are actually doing a good job and when they are not. The smoke and mirrors obscure it. 09:18 <@Evilpig> I agree my bag is a security nightmare, potentially 09:19 < aestetix> rattle: basically, I am unconvinced that TSA does anything that airport security pre-9/11 did, except more slowly and incompetently. 09:19 <@oddball> Oh, and a few years back, I flew with a large CD case full of CDs. The guy running the x-ray looked real hard at the picture, asked me if they were CDs and then let me go. 09:19 < aestetix> It seems that after 9/11 the Federal government basically abandoned using facts and logic when making policy. 09:20 <@rattle> No disagreement there. 09:21 <@rattle> TSA is a shit show. They service only as a deterrence, but based on the fact their are unpredictable, rather than effective. You're more likely to be caught doing something wrong because you wound up being pointlessly hassled and it came out, than because they did something strategically or tactically right. 09:21 < aestetix> CBP is just as bad. 09:21 < aestetix> And ICE. 09:22 < aestetix> You know I have friends here who were tracked by the Stasi, who will not go to the US because it is too oppressive? 09:22 <@rattle> Don't even get me started on CBP. I was detained at the Canadian border recently for like two hours for no fucking reason.. Just simply because they couldn't make sense of what was coming out of their queries against my ID. 09:22 < aestetix> heh 09:23 <@Evilpig> I'll likely be having that fun middle of next month 09:23 <@rattle> Traveling to and from Canada is like a lesson in how fucked up our border security is. 09:23 <@Evilpig> I'm being summoned to y!'s buffalo datacenter for two weeks 09:23 < aestetix> It reminds me of when 3ric Johnson got his passport updated with that name, and it broke all the airport terminals 09:23 <@rattle> Going into Canada, wonderful. Great experience. Really made to feel welcome, yet they effectively question you.. 09:23 <@Evilpig> since i'm right there, there's almost no possibilty that I don't go into canada just for the hell of it 09:24 <@rattle> Coming back into the US.. Holy fuck. 09:24 < aestetix> rattle: Germany is awesome. You come in, and they smile at you and tell jokes. 09:24 < aestetix> We came in with our cats, and they "searched" the cats by petting them and playing with them. 09:25 <@rattle> The US is the least pleasurable country to enter. Everywhere else I've been has been fairly awesome, even if a bit stodgy. 09:25 < aestetix> rattle: the US is worse than Russia. 09:25 <@rattle> Even China is friendly in comparison. 09:25 < aestetix> I mean maybe North Korea is worse. 09:25 <@rattle> You've been to the DPRK?! 09:25 < aestetix> maybe 09:25 < aestetix> and no I have not 09:25 < aestetix> I have been to Russia though. 09:26 * rattle looks at aestetix's SF86. 09:26 < aestetix> Russia basically checked that papers were in order, and let me through 09:26 <@rattle> That's most countries... 09:26 <@rattle> China actually has a feedback box. You're asked to rate your experience at the border on a 1-5 scale. 09:26 < aestetix> Most countries are not the former Soviet Union. 09:26 < aestetix> Actually, given the balkans, that's not entire true.... 09:27 <@rattle> Happy face on one side, frown face on the other. Nice color scale. 09:28 <@rattle> They've also got laser temperature checkers and shit.. If you are running a fever, they will detain your ass before you're more than a hundred feet off the plane. 09:28 < aestetix> Although given that I plan to visit Lebanon in the near future... 09:29 < aestetix> I wonder if having a Cuba stamp will get you an "interview" now 09:32 <@oddball> So... this would be the reason why my A/C failed this go around: https://www.reddit.com/r/HVAC/comments/2fike4/update_r410a_txv_failings_across_many_brands/ 09:32 < PigBot> Title: UPDATE: R410A TXV failings across many brands : HVAC (at www.reddit.com) 09:36 <@rattle> I'm starting a new gig on Monday, and I can't fucking wait.. 09:36 <@Evilpig> male stripper? 09:36 < aestetix> rattle: have you relaxed your jaw enough yet? 09:36 <@rattle> No. I've got my work ahead of me. 09:36 <@Evilpig> Dolemite has a birthday coming up. what kinda rates are you looking at? 09:37 < aestetix> Evilpig: maybe he can sing "happy birthday to you" 09:37 <@rattle> I typically start at $250/hr. 09:37 <@Dolemite> rattle: Yeah, I hear that it can be tough to mop the goop off the floor at the porn shop if you let it dry 09:37 < aestetix> "hear" 09:38 <@rattle> Dolemite: That's why I require a 40hr minimum. 09:38 <@Evilpig> I'll start one of those go fund me campaigns to get rattle to oak ridge for a dolemite birthday strip-o-gram 09:38 < aestetix> Dolemite: that sounds like a health alternative to super glue 09:38 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Yeah, I never stick around long enough to know 09:38 <@rattle> It doesn't take much to get me to strip down to by boxers. Ask anyone at Defcon. 09:38 <@Dolemite> 1/5 of liquor is cheap 09:38 < aestetix> rattle: you and Corydon must make good company 09:39 <@rattle> Nope, need at least a pint. 09:39 <@Dolemite> 1/5 of liquor == 750 ml > 1 pint 09:39 <@rattle> aestetix: Depends on your alignment. 09:39 <@rattle> I stand corrected. 09:39 <@Evilpig> http://wilpig.org/temp/skydog/manlove.jpg 09:39 < aestetix> rattle: horizontal or vertical? 09:39 <@rattle> I would prefer if that went away. 09:40 <@Evilpig> fine. I've had my fun with it 09:40 <@Evilpig> gone 09:41 < aestetix> wait 09:41 < aestetix> I didn't see the picture 09:41 < aestetix> what was it of 09:42 <@Dolemite> skydog wrestling rattle to teh ground 09:42 <@Evilpig> it was a bad night for rattle, way back when 09:42 < aestetix> Were aliens involved? 09:42 <@Dolemite> I think it was the same night people saw me breakdancing over the PN Hotel TV channel 09:42 -!- cyberanger [cyberanger@2600:3c00::f03c:91ff:fe18:7dfe] has joined #se2600 09:42 < aestetix> So aliens were involved. 09:42 <@rattle> What can I say.. Alcoholism is a bitch. Thanks in part to naltrexone, I'm happy to say I've gotten a handle on my past issues binge drinking. I'm not ashamed to admit I had a problem. 09:44 < aestetix> rattle: wait, do you have a beer gut now? 09:44 <@rattle> Actually, I've lost almost 40b in the past 6-8 months.. 09:44 < aestetix> Did you have a beer gut at some point? 09:44 < aestetix> I can't imagine you with a gut 09:44 <@Evilpig> omg rattle has a tape worm 09:44 < aestetix> lol 09:44 <@rattle> Yeah. I got sorta bad. 09:45 < aestetix> Evilpig: maybe he's been drinking soylent 09:45 <@rattle> Too much sitting at a desk drinking soda and eating chips. 09:45 < aestetix> Did you at least break to stretch? 09:45 <@rattle> Got disciplined about my diet, and started rapidly loosing weight. Pretty happy about it. I feel better than I have in years. 09:46 <@Evilpig> how about rapidly losing some O's in that loosing 09:46 < aestetix> rattle: do you get more sex now? 09:46 <@rattle> How about wrapppping your lips around my cock while humming the national anthem? 09:46 <@Evilpig> i'm an american. you know I don't know the anthem. 09:47 <@rattle> aestetix: Actually, yes! 09:47 < aestetix> how often? like weekly? 09:48 <@rattle> TMpI. You can ask Evilpig in private chat. 09:48 < aestetix> I can ask Evilpig about your sex life? 09:48 <@Evilpig> you answered him, I didn't poke the bear. 09:48 < aestetix> maybe that is tmi 09:49 <@rattle> My wife is hot, and I've got two kids. What more do I need to say? 09:50 < aestetix> I hope they look like you. 09:50 <@rattle> Yes, my kids look like me. Jackass. 10:04 < aestetix> So did your wife refuse the bed when you were fat, or could you not get it up? 10:04 <@oddball> Evilpig: Yeah... but you've seen enough sporting events to hum along. 10:04 <@rattle> Neither, thank you. 10:06 <@Evilpig> stop answering him. 10:07 <@northrup> rattle: too early to be feeding the trolls... I'm still working on the second cup of coffee 10:37 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has joined #se2600 10:47 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 10:59 < NotLarry> rattle: a little touchy on that whole "hope they look like you thing." 11:05 <@Dagmar> It's almost a shame, really. 11:06 <@Dagmar> Thankfully the resemblance is more towards their mother. 11:08 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600 11:42 <@Evilpig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62-4v20pYTw 11:45 -!- Genphlux [~Genphlux@adsl-98-66-37-191.mem.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 11:52 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Regarding John McCain... http://gotnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/photo-13.png 11:52 < _NSAKEY> [/trollface] 12:22 <@Dagmar> Oh god 12:22 <@Dagmar> "Every access point has a wired mac address. If you add a wireless network, the mac address gets incremented and that is broadcast and used for communication in the air over wireless." 12:22 <@Dagmar> THis is from someone identifying themselves as "Aruba Customer Engineering" 12:26 <@Evilpig> special 12:31 <@oddball> The MAC gets incremented.... I... wut? 12:36 -!- Genphlux [~Genphlux@adsl-98-66-37-191.mem.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 12:40 <@Dagmar> Yeah that's almost as good as "Keep cat steady for about five minutes to let the cap set properly" 12:40 <@Dagmar> If I could get the cat to hold still for five minutes I could actually trim his nails properly. 12:40 <@Evilpig> why are you putting a cap on a cat? 12:40 <@Dagmar> "Kitty Caps" 12:40 <@Evilpig> ahhh. I can get mine to sit still so I can trim their nails 12:41 <@Dagmar> I bleed when this little guy just reaches up to get my attention. 12:41 <@Dagmar> Well, not-so-little guy 12:41 <@Evilpig> https://goo.gl/photos/zPM51Ls6Qz2Edjwx7 12:43 <@Dagmar> Yeah this guy wouldn't stop trying to play with the emory board 12:43 <@Dagmar> Same story with his brush 12:43 <@Dagmar> Try to brush anything past about his ribcage and he wants to bite it 12:43 <@Evilpig> I just hold them both like that and take the clippers to em 12:44 <@Dagmar> I was thinking about buying a bottle of "Thunder Spray" and just pouring it into his water dish. 12:51 <@Evilpig> try catnip instead. 12:51 <@Evilpig> this is still the neighbor's cat right? 12:53 <@Evilpig> FUCK!!!! 12:53 <@Evilpig> how hard is this. if $version < X do upgrade 12:54 <@Evilpig> some god damned fucking dumbshit fuck set the check as if $version != X do upgrade 12:54 <@Evilpig> it's fucking downgrading firmware... 12:54 <@Dolemite> derp derp! 12:58 <@Evilpig> anyone in here know ruby well enough to quickly do a test for me? 12:59 <@Evilpig> or know how ruby does string comparisons? 12:59 < aestetix> lol 13:00 < aestetix> even rattle fell for it. start off with innocent questions to lure them in, and then morph into the questionable, and then trap them when they are in the habit of answering the questions :p 13:00 < aestetix> Throw in a few logical fallacies and you are good to go 13:01 <@rattle> Fell for what? 13:01 < aestetix> Evilpig: to be fair, the "!=" are on the same keyboard as "<" most of the time 13:02 <@Evilpig> I just want to know how ruby will interpret 2.15.10.10 < 1.66.66.10 13:05 <@Dolemite> the problem is that if versions aren't zero filled it will fail 13:06 <@Dolemite> 2.2.1 < 2.20.1, but most languages would do a character by character comparison and think that . < 0 13:08 <@Evilpig> that's essentially roy's argument 13:08 <@Evilpig> dell is fairly regular on their naming convention 13:09 <@Evilpig> 2.10.10.10,A00 05 Apr 201510:23:36 PM 13:09 <@Evilpig> 1.57.57,A00 17 Dec 20143:39:54 PM 13:09 <@Evilpig> 1.66.65,A00 02 Dec 20144:51:39 PM 13:09 <@Evilpig> 1.46.45,A00 31 Mar 20147:19:40 PM 13:22 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has joined #se2600 13:31 <@Evilpig> okay. I just gave them my answer 13:31 <@Evilpig> regex the version with ^([0-9])*\.([0-9]) 13:32 <@Evilpig> then we'll get major and minor version as a simple decimal that can be easily compared 13:41 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 14:30 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: Did your answer include a component which consisted of "Transfer the dev who did this to me to the mail room?" If not, I would consider it an incomplete answer. 14:36 <@benthemeek> rattle: You are no longer with bit9? 14:36 <@rattle> Yeah. I left back in May. 14:38 <@benthemeek> Still recommend the product? 14:38 <@rattle> Totally. The product is solid. 14:39 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.2] 14:39 <@benthemeek> I remember your talk 4 years ago. I have to confess I thought most anti-virus would be jumping on the application white listing bandwagon now 14:39 <@rattle> The Bit9+CarbonBlack+SCEP+EMET combo of endpoint security technology is the best ride out there. It's what I recommend to people. 14:39 <@Dagmar> That would require them to address the subject of blacklisting being broken 14:40 <@Dagmar> ...and explain why people are paying them a support contract for frequent blacklist updates 14:40 <@rattle> Application whitelisting is hard. Hard to implement. Hard to develop. Most orgs are taking the ETDR approach for the bulk of their systems, then doing app whitelisting where they can. 14:40 <@rattle> Rather, most orgs with clue.. 14:40 <@Dagmar> Moonlightning: You jsut specify the new set of options 14:40 <@Dagmar> @#$ 14:40 < PigBot> Dagmar: Error: "#$" is not a valid command. 14:41 <@rattle> Heh.. If you're doing app whitelisting, you're still paying for a support contract to get reputation data relating to what's good software.. And probably also paying for some sort of detonation technology. 14:41 <@rattle> It's actually more expensive. 14:41 <@rattle> But, it actually works.. Unlike AV. 14:42 <@rattle> Red Canary is pretty badass, btw.. 14:42 <@rattle> https://www.redcanary.co/ == These guys have an MSSP service built on top of CarbonBlack, which is the fucking bomb. 14:42 < PigBot> Title: Advanced Endpoint Security - Threat Detection - Red Canary (at www.redcanary.co) 14:49 <@benthemeek> Is that where you headed Monday? 14:51 <@rattle> No. 14:52 <@rattle> I'm leaving the vendor space. 14:54 -!- jb7od [jb7od@link.8bitwizard.net] has quit [Changing host] 14:54 -!- jb7od [jb7od@unaffiliated/jb7od] has joined #se2600 14:54 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o jb7od] by ChanServ 15:10 <@northrup> rattle: where are you going? 15:17 <@rattle> Council on Foreign Relations 15:35 <@Evilpig> that is a really weird name for male stripper 15:36 <@Evilpig> I guess it could work... "coming up next to the stage.... councilman rattle...." 16:57 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:08 <@Dagmar> Oooo so close 17:08 <@Dagmar> They _almost_ had me there. 17:08 <@Dagmar> I was looking at Steam and seeing that Zombi is basically ZombiU done over 17:08 <@Dagmar> I look a little closer... requires Uplay 17:08 <@Dagmar> NOPE 17:11 <@Dagmar> Oh holy shit 17:12 <@Dagmar> The most annoying thing ever has somehow become enabled on my desktop 17:14 <@Dagmar> Some kind of pointer attraction to clickable areas 18:01 < aestetix> I think I am going to read all three volumes of Kapital 18:02 < aestetix> Just so I can use Marx's own words to troll the SJWs 18:07 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: install logitech pointer software? 18:09 <@Evilpig> http://concerts.livenation.com/event/02004E77F7EE5DB6?c=EML_LN_738470&camefrom=EMLN_738470 18:09 < PigBot> Title: Tickets | Pokémon: Symphonic Evolutions - Holmdel NJ at Live Nation Concerts (at concerts.livenation.com) 18:13 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Nope 18:13 <@Evilpig> is it only in browsers? 18:13 <@Dagmar> Yep 18:13 <@Dagmar> Killing Chrome made it stop 18:14 <@Evilpig> accessibility option? 18:14 <@Dagmar> No idea. Don't care now that it's gone 18:14 <@Evilpig> might be a fun one to know what it was so you can do it to someone else 18:14 <@Dagmar> I just thought my mouse was malfunctioning at first 18:16 < aestetix> http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/251502-cruz-absolutely-backs-ending-birthright-citizenship 18:26 -!- opticron [~opticron@75.76.201.152] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:45 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-76-22-246-47.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:46 -!- crashcart [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-epodlhrpvmgecgdo] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:44 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@2601:282:701:bc3b:f436:8cca:3b4d:369] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:49 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:06 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 21:13 <@Evilpig> from my buddy jason 21:13 <@Evilpig> http://www.fox17.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/Write-In-Presidential-Candidate-Deez-Nuts-Polling-Well-in-Three-States-187901.shtml 21:13 < PigBot> Title: Write-In Presidential Candidate Deez Nuts Polling Well in Three States - WZTV FOX 17 - Top Stories (at www.fox17.com) 21:16 <@eryc> Evilpig: heh i just screen -r'd to share the same 21:19 -!- opticron [~opticron@75.76.201.152] has joined #se2600 21:19 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o opticron] by ChanServ 21:21 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 21:22 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Client Quit] 22:20 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-76-22-246-47.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 22:20 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o oddball] by ChanServ 22:21 <@oddball> stupid NES 22:38 <@Evilpig> oddball: that thing is at least 20 years old. it's doing the best it can with what it was 22:40 <@Dagmar> Oh god 22:40 <@Dagmar> That 15-year-old is now a god among his peers 22:42 <@Evilpig> ? 22:43 <@oddball> Evilpig: And yet we rely on it to power the city. 22:44 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: This is something you would do. http://hackaday.com/2014/12/25/student-trolls-anti-arduino-prof-with-parasite-mcu/ 22:44 < PigBot> Title: Student Trolls Anti-Arduino Prof With Parasite MCU | Hackaday (at hackaday.com) 22:48 -!- hobbes615 [~hobbes@unaffiliated/hobbes615] has joined #se2600 23:50 -!- oddball [~oddball@c-76-22-246-47.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] --- Log closed Thu Aug 20 00:00:34 2015