--- Log opened Tue Aug 04 00:00:16 2015
00:35 <@northrup> Evilpig: when does the new batman animated movie drop?
00:41 <@Dagmar> http://www.dsurreal.org/pope_cards.svg
00:42 <@Dagmar> Should be self-explanatory
00:42 <@Evilpig> northrup: another week or two, but it's out if you know where to look
00:43 <@northrup> Evilpig: awesome ;)
00:43 <@northrup> This is the one where we're back to Mark Hammil as the joker again right?
00:44 <@Evilpig> he isn't listed on my thing, but yeah I think so
00:45 <@Evilpig> Batman Unlimited: Monster Mayhem
00:45 <@Evilpig> negative
00:45 <@Evilpig> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4729754/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1
00:45 < PigBot`> Title: Batman Unlimited: Monster Mayhem (Video 2015) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
00:46 <@Evilpig> hamill is listed on the one slated for next year. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4853102/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_1
00:46 < PigBot`> Title: Batman: The Killing Joke (Video 2016) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
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04:39 < aestetix> I hope Mark Hammil plays Darth Vader in the new star wars movie
05:01 <@Dagmar> So he can be his own father?
05:01 < aestetix> lol
05:01 < aestetix> ok so, correct me if I'm wrong, but most places in the US I have worked for care more if you *look* busy, than if you actually do stuff
05:02 <@Dagmar> It does seem like it
05:02 < aestetix> IE sending lots of emails, having meetings, etc
05:02 < aestetix> Where I'm at in Berlin, they don't give a shit about that. I could watch youtube all day long, as long as I get my work done.
05:03 <@Dagmar> I have been lucky to have a _few_ bosses in the past that understood that once they've gotten me interested in a problem, all they need to do is step back and let me do my thing
05:03 < aestetix> "We are not your parents. If you say you will do something, we expect you will get it done. If I do not hear from you, I assume everything is going fine."
05:03 <@Dagmar> It _might_ involve staring into open air or a blank wall for 20 minutes.  It might involve scribbling frantically on a whiteboard.
05:04 < aestetix> You mean the whole being left alone to just make stuff work?
05:04 <@Dagmar> Sometimes it involves rushing through Facebook to shut up the part of my brain that thinks I'm missing my friends because  I'm spending too much time worrying about work
05:05 < aestetix> It is quite nice. The bit where I work at night because otherwise everyone is nagging me all the time... does not exist here.
05:05 < aestetix> Perhaps I just found the one place that is reasonalbe.
05:05 <@Dagmar> Occasionally it involves searching a dozen websites for some little bit of toolery so that I can eliminate a problem that's not obviously related to the one I'm wokrin gon
05:05 < aestetix> right
05:06 <@Dagmar> It *frequently* involves being almost exclusively "anti-social" at the office because of the number of bloody interruptions
05:07 < aestetix> but but but open workspaces are the best!
05:07 <@Dagmar> pfft.  Not for anyone who solves complex and deep problems
05:07 < aestetix> This is why I'm amused by facebook
05:07 < aestetix> they brag about having the largest fully open workspace in the world
05:08 <@Dagmar> ...and mostly they're just pushing paper around.
05:08 <@Dagmar> THey're not innovating.  They're just treading water waiting for an adult to tell them what to do.
05:08 < aestetix> yep
05:10 <@Dagmar> If I weren't a motivated serial killed of technical problems, I would have had literally nothing to do all day long at Vanderbilt under Hogan
05:10 <@Dagmar> s/killed/killer/
05:10 <@Dagmar> He literally never gave us any instruction, probably because he didn't have damn clue what was going on with the users and network
05:11 <@Dagmar> So... in _that_ he was a "good boss".
05:11 <@Dagmar> It was literally his only redeeming quality as a manager.
05:11 <@Dagmar> That he fervently hoped if he ignored us, we'd just go away.
05:11 <@Dagmar> Meanwhile, if i ran out of tickets, I'd go cruising for malware and infestations.
05:11 <@Dagmar> If I didn't manage to do it at least once a month I *made* time
05:12 <@Dagmar> Motherfuckers aren't allowed to run amok on shit I'm responsible for
05:12 <@Dagmar> If they were careful and respectful, they were probably evading us pretty well
05:13 <@Dagmar> HOWEVER, hackers who are not a problem for the admins are not something the admins need to give a fig about
05:13 <@Dagmar> It was damn _easy_ to find the webshells and so forth the idiots were putting in
05:14 <@Dagmar> Getting someone to tell me who the fuck was responsible for the _rest_ of the files in the directory always made gave me headaches tho
05:15 <@Dagmar> ...and god forbid you had to tell a middle manager "Hey we need to contact these people and tell them we're going to change their precious striped polliwog collator."
05:15 <@Dagmar> Dude, I shit you not, one of the student "customers" was actually doing research on the common mysql server
05:15 <@Dagmar> An insect genome, running from a set of python scripts
05:16 <@Dagmar> I think Mirage and I both went above and beyond to make sure her stuff worked because of the sheer bravado of that
05:19 <@Dagmar> So, despite the fact that you are 135% sure that the obfuscated piece of ENCRYPTED PHP CODE you just came across is very much not supposed to be there, it might as well be a collection of millions of identical precious dragon eggs as far as management was concerned, because they had no bloody idea
05:19 <@Dagmar> Seriously, four fuckin' months to rollout something to fix a critical security vulnerability, in stages, because... SHIT MIGHT ACTUALLY WORK
05:20 <@Dagmar> The program I was replacing was _deeply_ flawed, and so unreliable people were treating it like the angry volcano god
05:21 <@Dagmar> I just needed to tell the users that any malfunctions they may have been having before which were not actually cured by throwing numbers into sacrificial files will now permanently work correctly and without fail."
05:21 <@Dagmar> Not in that _way_ of course, but the reason was the same
05:22 <@Dagmar> The idea that things might suddenly _start working reliably_ panicked managers.
05:22 <@Dagmar> The next time I see an ITIL trainer, we're going to have a discussion about that
05:23 <@Dagmar> "What do you do when management is stupid?"
05:25 <@Dagmar> ...because they really don't mention much about what happens when you are basically rolling out a sweeping _breakfix_
05:29 <@Dagmar> Damnit.   I keep missing RangerZ
05:29 <@Dagmar> I wanted to ask him something about java that I don't have a damn clue how to search for
05:30 <@Dagmar> Basically, I want to be able to stick classes in that are only checked for at runtime without making the whole thing explode
05:30 <@Dagmar> My use case is stupidly lazy, but I can think of a few other cases where it would be more useful
05:31 <@Dagmar> Every time Niantic holds an anomaly event, I have to set up a table of a whole bunch of numbers.
05:32 <@Dagmar> Each successive event I have to _delete_ the old set and replace it with a new set
05:32 <@Dagmar> ...but I think I should be able to just drop in a class with extra data and have the program _look_ for it abstractly
05:33 <@Dagmar> Seems like java has something against using wildcards for package/class names.  ;)
05:36 <@Dagmar> Perl you can make self-modify.  Java, I'm not so sure about
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07:27 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:57 < aestetix> hi Dolemite
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07:59 <@Dolemite> hi aestetix
08:01  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
08:19 <@Evilpig> damned foreigners
08:25 <@Dolemite> which ones, now?
08:26 <@Dolemite> Ah, ze French
08:30 <@Evilpig> this could explain some of the reports we've had about the reports kicking back stuff twice.
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09:09 < aestetix> ugh
09:09 < aestetix> with all the visa issues I am having now.... I am so glad I'm not in the US on an hib
09:09 < aestetix> h1b
09:10 <@rattle> Um..  You need a visa to be in the US?
09:10 < aestetix> No.
09:11 < aestetix> Well, to work in the US
09:11 < aestetix> If you are not a US citizen.
09:18 <@Evilpig> rattle: we've petitioned a few senators but none of them seem willing to expatriate him
09:27 <@rattle> You're not a US citizen?
09:27 <@rattle> Oh..  Not reading.
09:28 <@rattle> The hell folks go through for H1B's has more to do with who they work for then who they are.  The system is completely fucked.
09:49 < aestetix> Germany is having some really fucked up scaling issues right now.
09:49 < aestetix> Like you need to get a schufa to establish credit so you can apply for a place to live.
09:49 < aestetix> Except that the one place that was selling schufas went out of business.
09:49 < aestetix> So there is literally one place in all of Berlin where you can get your schufa.
09:50 < aestetix> It went out of business because it was a german equivalent to short term loan shark companies
09:52 < aestetix> rattle: do you think immigration law would relax if they abolished welfare?
09:52 <@rattle> No
09:53 < aestetix> I thought that was the reason the GOP is opposed to making immigration easier
09:53 < aestetix> Or are they just assholes
09:55 <@rattle> Assholes.
09:55 < aestetix> My reason at least makes logical sense. But it sounds like they are just bigoted.
10:04 <@Evilpig> wtf is a schufas?
10:08 < aestetix> Evilpig: it's the german version of credit
10:08 < aestetix> you have to register and pay a fee to get a credit score
10:08 < aestetix> and if you have no credit, your shcufa score is automatically 100%
10:09 < aestetix> which is fucking aweosme
10:09 < aestetix> except for that part where you can't fucking get it because the place selling it went out of business
10:10 <@Evilpig> this is NOT an acceptable contact page.  http://www.arctic.ac/us_en/contacts/
10:10 < PigBot`> Title: Contact Us (at www.arctic.ac)
10:10 <@rattle> So, here's a joke.  A Canadian, a Cuban, and a white supremacist walk into a bar..
10:10 <@rattle> The bartender says, "Senator Cruz, what can I get ya'?"
10:11 < aestetix> hahaha
10:13 < aestetix> rattle: it's pretty astonishing how the GOP makes Hillary look reasonable.
10:15 < aestetix> I hate Hillary, but I *fucking* hate all the GOP idiots.
10:17 <@Evilpig> this isn't helping my stock price.  http://www.engadget.com/2015/08/04/yahoo-ad-network-malware-attack/
10:17 < PigBot`> Title: Huge malware campaign used Yahoos ad network (at www.engadget.com)
10:17 < aestetix> Evilpig: neither is having the name "Yahoo" on your stock
10:20 <@Evilpig> it was up for quite a while
10:26 <@Evilpig> this is from when I was hired to now.  https://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=maximized&chdeh=0&chfdeh=0&chdet=1438718400000&chddm=183328&chls=IntervalBasedLine&q=NASDAQ:YHOO&ntsp=0&ei=I8vAVfG8Jc67e92Li-AF
10:26 < PigBot`> Title: Yahoo! Inc.: NASDAQ:YHOO quotes & news - Google Finance (at www.google.com)
10:26 <@Evilpig> I probably should have sold off what I could at the 50 range
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11:58 < aestetix> vagina
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12:05 <@jb7od> LOL
12:05 <@jb7od> never gets old.
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12:15 <@Dagmar> Wow.
12:15 <@Dagmar> Looks like I won't be putting my stuff on Github anytime soon
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12:28 <@rattle> What's the problem with GitHub now?
12:36 <@Dagmar> In their Code of Conduct:
12:36 <@Dagmar> Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people's safety over privileged people's comfort.  We will not act on complaints regarding:
12:36 <@Dagmar>  * 'Reverse'-isms, including 'reverse racism', 'reverse sexism', and 'cisphobia'
12:37 <@oddball> Why should a site like that give a shit about either side of that coin?  Do your fucking job and let the SJWs go wank in the corner.
12:37 <@Dagmar> That's pretty much my take on it.
12:38 <@Dagmar> While that crap is in their CoC I won't even consider using them
12:45 <@benthemeek> OMG... I have used linux for 15 years and never ran an strace until today... the sheer beauty..
12:45 <@oddball> heh
12:46 <@benthemeek> I have a coworker that has written literally 1000s of scripts in usr/local/bin
12:46 <@benthemeek> I now have a way to take just one script find out what it is calling and what those are calling and untangle the chaos
12:46 <@benthemeek> Its like winning the lottery
12:46 <@Dagmar> "beauty" is not a word commonly applied to strace ourput
12:47 <@Dagmar> er output
12:47 <@benthemeek> heh
12:47 <@benthemeek> Well I am piping it through some awk to get at the chocolate delicious nuggets I need, but still
12:49 <@benthemeek> You all done understand! I have worked here for 8 years dealing with the spagettiness of this mess.. This will change my life!
12:50 <@benthemeek> s/done/don't
13:03 < aestetix> .....
13:03 < aestetix> github put out a code of conduct?
13:03 < aestetix> are you kidding me?
13:06 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: but it says they will _NOT_ act on those
13:08 <@Dagmar> yeah, meaning if someone wants to tear into someone else for being cis, it's fair game
13:08 <@Dagmar> Two wrongs don't make a right.
13:09 < aestetix> Dagmar: link?
13:10 <@Evilpig> yeah link.  I can't find that phrase.
13:10 <@oddball> Or possibly someone responses that they're being reported is because they're gay/black/whatever.
13:11 <@Evilpig> http://todogroup.org/opencodeofconduct/
13:11 < PigBot`> Title: Open Code of Conduct (at todogroup.org)
13:11 < aestetix> ugh
13:11 <@Evilpig> https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/3fpnuw/githubs_new_code_of_conduct_says_our_open_source/
13:11 < PigBot`> Title: Github's new Code of Conduct says "Our open source community prioritizes marginalized people’s safety over privileged people’s comfort." and will not act on "reverse" racism, sexism, etc. : technology (at www.reddit.com)
13:11 < aestetix> Why does source code need a code of conduct?
13:11 <@Evilpig> but i'm not seeing this actually tied to github anywhere
13:11 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Because SJWs
13:12 <@Evilpig> I see a shitpost, but I still see no tie to github.  +1 trolling
13:13 <@Dagmar> They've literally just enshrined hypocrisy in their CoC
13:13 <@Dagmar> The lynchpin -> https://github.com/blog/2039-adopting-the-open-code-of-conduct
13:13 < PigBot`> Title: Adopting the Open Code of Conduct · GitHub (at github.com)
13:14 <@Evilpig> http://todogroup.org/members/
13:14 < PigBot`> Title: Members // TODO: Talk openly, develop openly (at todogroup.org)
13:14 <@Dagmar> ...unless you're a white cis-male.
13:14 <@Dagmar> ...and then it's open-season on you.
13:15 <@Evilpig> alright.  i'm on board.  this is fucking retarded
13:16 < aestetix> I still don't understand why code needs a coc
13:16 < aestetix> it's a computer program.
13:17 <@Dagmar> Because if you don't, SJWs will demonize your business and try to harm your company's good faith value until you do
13:17 <@Dagmar> It's important to point out that this is _far_ more harm than the nonexistant White's Only Linux project
13:18 <@Dagmar> Not even the Debian variant "Lesbian Linux" made more than minor ripples
13:18 <@jb7od> HAHA tell me there's no such thing...
13:18 <@Dagmar> There is, or rather was
13:18  * jb7od spits coffee spray on monitor
13:19 <@Dagmar> Basically, it was a pron-centric distribution
13:19 <@jb7od> actually, that's slightly awesome. I'm gonna troll that up for sure.
13:20 < aestetix> I am still trying to figure out how a piece of source code could be offensive to someone.
13:21 <@Dagmar> Don't you remember the kerfluffle about mysql?
13:21 < aestetix> ugh
13:21 <@Dagmar> Have "master" and "slave" mode for database replication?
13:21 < aestetix> the master/slave bullshit?yes
13:21 <@Dagmar> Someone actually forked an entire database package over that
13:21 < aestetix> lol
13:21 <@Dagmar> ...because it's "racist".
13:21 <@Dagmar> ...despite the fact that slavery has very little to do with race.
13:21 <@Evilpig> how about sex slavery?
13:22 <@Dagmar> The US is about the only place I've heard of that ever codified it as a race issue, and even that was a very short period of history
13:22 < aestetix> because you konw, the US invented slavery
13:22 <@Dagmar> Both before and after, you can be a slave no matter what your skin color
13:23 <@jb7od> they should change every master slave iteration to dom and sub. that'd offend less people.
13:24 <@Dagmar> There would be plenty of SJWs ready to argue that point on behalf of the asexuals (who basically wouldn't give a shit)
13:26 <@Dagmar> Personally, I find equivocation fallacies to be incredibly offensive
13:27 <@Dagmar> ...and when you fork a package over such a thing, I question your sanity as well as your ability to code
13:27 <@Dagmar> ...and that is _exactly_ what getting bent out of shape about master/slave relationships in database and IDE disk configurations is.
13:27 < aestetix> I wonder how the mysql fork handles updates
13:29 <@Dagmar> Ah sorry, django not mysql
13:29 <@Dagmar> Or maybe it was drupal
13:30 <@Dagmar> Either way, it's a waste of fucking time
13:30 < aestetix> I think tumblr porn blogs actually contribute more to the world.
13:30 <@Dagmar> There's no need for a master-slave relationship to be oppressive, and plenty of reasons for it not to be that way.  Many people are just dicks.
13:31 <@Dagmar> Being that computers are demonstratably lacking in personal motivation, there shoudln't even be a problem there
13:43 <@rattle> No matter how hard I pull, I cannot yank my current client's head out of their ass.  It's up there soooooo good.
13:44 <@Evilpig> rattle: I know that feeling
13:45 <@rattle> I make a recommendation, they nod, agree, then go off and do the exact opposite.  It's sort of mind boggling.
13:45 < aestetix> rattle: I didn't know you were doing work for Jeb Bush
13:45 <@rattle> Heh.
13:46 <@rattle> I have a feeling I'm going to be firing this client very soon.
13:46 <@Evilpig> use actual fire
13:46 < aestetix> rattle: just make them a tumblr porn blog and send them a $50,000 bill
13:54 <@oddball> I just realized something.  Wouldn't going to another site to harrass you/tell others to shun you/actually get the site to do bad things to you the definition of cyber stalking and cyber bullying?
14:01 <@Dagmar> Yes.
14:08 <@oddball> I remember some folks pushing for anti-cyber bullying laws a while back.  Did anything come from those?
14:08 <@Dagmar> In some places
14:09  * oddball is being helpful.
14:09 <@oddball> because cyber bullying is a terrible thing.
14:09 <@Dagmar> So is absentee parenting
14:12 <@oddball> I wouldn't say that sicking cyber bullying laws on the SJW crowd is the right thing to do... but I would probably laugh.
14:16 <@Evilpig> I just learned that I eat "white people ketchup"
14:17 <@opticron> there are different kinds of ketchup?
14:18 <@opticron> well now, aren't I uncultured?
14:18 <@Evilpig> I gave him a very funny look when he told me that in his house there is white people ketchup and brown people ketchup
14:19 <@opticron> is it curried or something?
14:19 <@oddball> Is the other just hot sauce or something?
14:21 <@opticron> Evilpig, we need to know
14:22 <@oddball> Inquiring minds want to know.
14:23 <@Evilpig> all he said is "it's just spicy"
14:23 <@Evilpig> oh it's ketchup and white people ketchup
14:25 <@Dagmar> heheh
14:25 <@Dagmar> There's definitely a difference
14:25 <@Dagmar> I watched in *horror* a few months back as this girl I know practically _drowned_ her hash browns in cock sauce at Bongo
14:26 <@Dagmar> She looked over at me and just said, "What?  I'm Indian."
14:26 <@Evilpig> hehe cock sauce
14:26 <@Dagmar> Well, there's a giant cock right on the bottle.
14:26 <@Evilpig> I know the sauce of which you speak.  just funny
14:27 <@Dagmar> Meanwhile, I'm thinking that after she eats that, if she breathes in my face my contact lenses will melt
14:36 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I'm still at a loss as to why source code needs a code of conduct.
14:37 <@Dagmar> because otherwise SJWs will sabotage your business
14:37 < _NSAKEY> Can we get all the people pushing for this kind of stupidity some one way tickets on Malaysian Airlines and be done with it?
14:38 < _NSAKEY> There are more important things to bitch about than whether a proper  and well-cultured SJW or an evil cishet shitlord wrote a project's code.
14:40 < _NSAKEY> As for including others in work, this is the internet. I don't care what anyone looks like or what their politics are as long as whatever they're doing isn't stupid.
14:41 < _NSAKEY> Why can't the so-called SJW crowd keep it that simple?
14:41 < _NSAKEY> Oh, wait. They need an excuse.
14:41 <@Dagmar> Precisely.
14:41 <@Dagmar> They've just skipped two steps ahead of everyone else into stupid land
14:41 < _NSAKEY> We had a similar thing going on around here, until the hurricane decided to breeze through and blew that shit away.
14:42 <@Dagmar> The Law is Write Good Code and That Shall Be The Whole Of The Law
14:43 <@Dagmar> Just because someone can invent a very complex _fallacy_ in order to make a bunch of unproductive noise doesn't mean they need to be granted special privileges beyond perhaps the octane rating of the gasoline used to burn them out
14:54 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: because then they'd have no one to look down on.
15:06 <@Dagmar> This is basically why more CoCs should have a "Don't be a jerk" stanza.
15:06 <@Dagmar> When SJWs start to clutter things up with their trollery and noise, you just point it at them and engage the banhammer
15:06 < aestetix> penis
15:06 <@oddball> yep
15:08 < aestetix> speaking of which where is RangerZ
15:08 <@Evilpig> sold into slavery.
15:08 <@Evilpig> he's servicing a saudi prince
15:08 < aestetix> I didn't know jonnyx was saudi
15:14 <@rattle> FYI, I'm getting into Vegas mid-day Thursday.  Anyone else here going to be in theatre?
15:26 <@Evilpig> I've got some folks that will be out there but not me this year
15:26 <@Evilpig> I think I saw that decius is already out there?
15:26 <@Dolemite> yeah he's at Blackhat
16:05 <@Evilpig> shit like this apple....
16:05 <@Evilpig> so I want to mount an iso
16:06 <@Evilpig> mount -o loop blahblah.iso wherever/
16:06 <@Evilpig> everyone knows this, it's magical and happy covered in glitter 
16:06 <@Evilpig> not on osx
16:11 <@dasunt> I know FTP was a cesspool of unecrypted usernames, passwords, and data transfer, but damn I miss it.
16:12 <@dasunt> I have to support all this B2B file transfer crap, 90% of it through web browsers, and it's driving me up the wall.
16:13 <@dasunt> How many times can we reinvent a webapp for file transfer?  Let me count the ways...  Can they all suck?  Yes, oh gawd, yes!
16:15 <@Evilpig> dasunt: and how many of those support resuming upload?
16:16 <@dasunt> Evilpig: That answer is part of the "this is why I drink" pile.
16:20 <@dasunt> I spend two hours last week getting access to one system.
16:20 <@dasunt> The first tech support guy hung up on me at exactly 3pm.  I called back, just to learn he left for the day.
16:20 <@dasunt> WTF?\
16:39 <@dasunt> Let's just write off this whole "webapp" thing as a very bad idea.
17:09 <@jb7od> Here, here.
17:13 <@oddball> Huh... someone hacked into our Netflix account so they can watch Barbie Dreamhouse cartoons.
17:17 < _NSAKEY> oddball: Sounds like an technical update to the time 10 years ago when the next door neighbors spliced into my cable to get pay per view porn.
17:17 < _NSAKEY> Comcast was fine-grained enough at the time that it would show the total time spent watching on the bill.
17:17 < _NSAKEY> It was kind of hilarious to see all these borderline softcore porn films that had only been watched for 5 minutes.
17:18 < _NSAKEY> They were told a variation of, "These charges aren't mine. Check the line."
17:18 < _NSAKEY> When they finally got around to it, there wasn't a problem after that. Not like afterwards, the neighbors had an install van from some satellite provider in front of their house.
17:19 <@oddball> Oh, they watched 9 episodes of that, a couple SpyKids movies, a couple other "clearly you're a 5 year old girl" shows...
17:19 < _NSAKEY> Maybe you actually got hacked by a 5 year old girl?
17:19 < _NSAKEY> How funny would that be?
17:20 <@oddball> Then netflix needs to seriously update their security.
17:20 < _NSAKEY> Steam had that pathetically stupid password reset bug recently.
17:20 <@oddball> true
17:20 < _NSAKEY> It wouldn't be shocking if another big name service did something just as brain-damaged.
17:21 <@oddball> And actually, our password was randomly reset to something else a while ago.
17:21 <@oddball> Fortunately, one of us was still signed in and changed it back.
17:22 <@oddball> I also love that Netflix has an option to kick everyone signed into your account, but... uh... "it can take up to 8 hours."
17:22 < _NSAKEY> Password reset requests that you didn't ask for are always funny.
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18:06 <@Evilpig> who wants to see two of the new cards against humanity from the designer expansion?
18:06 <@Evilpig> https://goo.gl/photos/16i9uzieab6BrUzE9
18:13 <@oddball> ooo...
18:14 <@Evilpig> I'm really excited about the cunt card
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18:39 < RangerZ> This weekend, the drive-in 30min north of Nashville http://www.franklindrive-in.com/ is playing Ant-Man and Fantastic 4
18:39 < PigBot`> Title: Franklin Drive-In Theatre (at www.franklindrive-in.com)
18:40 < RangerZ> 15$ per car (18$ for 4+ people), and only 8$ if you go by yourself (but thats not 'official', just something they do to not charge 'too much' to people who are going solo)
18:42 < RangerZ> considering its over that much for single film in 3d/Imax/smellovisiion at REGAL ...
18:42 < RangerZ> just my PSA for the channel
18:42 < RangerZ> ;)
18:46 <@Evilpig> you're still a dick
18:48 < RangerZ> why?
18:48 < RangerZ> because you're in NJ?
18:48 <@Evilpig> good a reason as any
18:49 < RangerZ> https://imgur.com/gallery/TfCg0yQ
18:49 < PigBot`> Title: Graceful racing pig - GIF on Imgur (at imgur.com)
18:49 < RangerZ> better reason
18:50 < RangerZ> b/c I really don't even need to make a joke about that... b/c everyone else will already do it within their own heads
18:50 < RangerZ> but... http://www.pcworld.com/article/2956567/components-graphics/amd-is-working-on-a-new-linux-graphics-driver-to-catch-up-with-nvidia.html I'm glad to see this
18:50 < PigBot`> Title: AMD is working on a new Linux graphics driver to catch up with Nvidia | PCWorld (at www.pcworld.com)
18:50 < RangerZ> I knew it was coming
18:51 < RangerZ> AMD said they were GOING to do it, but they wanted to change the driver to be more user-space and less kernel, b/c their long-term legal agreements are stifling the driver b/c they prevent GPL interoperability
18:52 < _NSAKEY> AMD doesn't stand a chance anyway.
18:52 < _NSAKEY> All the GPGPU types I know are walking from AMD like they have leprosy because of power consumption.
18:52 < _NSAKEY> Plus, AMD's drivers are a bigger pain to set up than NVIDIA's.
18:53 < _NSAKEY> On the power consumption note, Kore Logic had 4 7990s in a server a few years back and it actually caught fire.
18:54 < _NSAKEY> Their solution was to dunk in mineral oil just to keep things cool enough.
18:55 < _NSAKEY> More recently, it's been discovered that a tyan barebones that's geared for GPGPU-related fun WILL have PCI-E slots start burning out after a year or so, if your card of choice is the  R9 290X.
18:56 < _NSAKEY> AMD's cards are probably still alright for a gaming workload, but that's not really saying a lot that's worth saying.
18:58 < _NSAKEY> if they want to get serious about linux support, they should open source all but the blobs and give documentation on how those blobs work.
18:58 < _NSAKEY> That's not going to solve the fact that they've warmed over the same architecture more times than Intel warmed the Pentium architecture over in the 90s.
19:01 < RangerZ> you realize that most servers run AMD gpus if they run GPUs right?
19:02 < RangerZ> I understand that AMD has been losing market share in both the CPU and GPU arenas, but they still hold ~30% in both
19:04 < RangerZ> "its too late for them" is a very shortsighted outlook, because AMD is one of the key companies in producing the standards and tech that are going into new hardware: Heterogeneous Arch. , HBM, DX12, Vulkan(essentially a 90% subset of Mantle), etc.
19:10 < RangerZ> plus... AMD already has contracts with Sony for the PS5, the next next Nintendo console is going into early alpha run this fall, and most likely next xbox will be AMD too, AMD might not make the top tier gaming machine hardware, but they DO make the top tier scientific computing cards (FirePro)
19:11 < RangerZ> I personally own a NVidia card right now, so I'm not fan-boying, but a balanced approach needs to be taken
19:20 < _NSAKEY> I'm running an FX-8350 in the box I'm typing on, and just about everything I own that was made after the year 2000 features an AMD processor.
19:21 < _NSAKEY> I like supporting the little guy when possible, but buying their high end GPUs right now, with the arch differences, is just a bad idea in 2015.
19:21 < _NSAKEY> NVIDIA fixed the shortcomings that made their cards suck for things like bitcoin mining when they rolled out Maxwell last year.
19:22 < _NSAKEY> Before that, it was AMD's game for that specific kind of niche.
19:22 < _NSAKEY> Now, if you were given a choice between two cards with the main difference being that one consumes half the power of the other, which would you take?
19:22 < _NSAKEY> Especially if you're going to build out at any sort of scale.
19:23 < _NSAKEY> NVIDIA's slogan right now might as well be something along the lines of: 100% of the performance, 50% of the electricity.
19:25 < _NSAKEY> The Fury cards are such dogs for HPC on paper that none of the hashcat people are even buying one to benchmark it. If one has, I haven't heard about it.
19:26 < _NSAKEY> For their specific kind of workload, it offers nothing new
19:30 < _NSAKEY> Meanwhile, someone in #hashcat as saying things like "I would rather deploy an embedded intel chipset than deploy another amd node again" and "I would rather buy chinese made FPGA's than buy another AMD board"
19:30 < _NSAKEY> *was
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21:42 < RangerZ> rattle you'll love the new proposal to have the gov't collect all user data from any company that has a network breach
21:43  * RangerZ knows that 'nothing bad' will come from that
21:45 <@jb7od> OH I'm sure there's gonna be a lot of folks lining up to report that right away!
21:46 <@jb7od> "What this country needs is an Administrator!" owtf... /facepalm
21:50 <@jb7od> Can you imagine that though? I mean- you could find out about a breach, snag up a log, and go blackmail crazay.
21:51 < _NSAKEY> The Ashley Madison dump in the hands of the FBI and the NSA would be an endless source of comedy.
21:52 <@jb7od> That would out sooooo many people I bet-
21:52 < _NSAKEY> 37 million accounts. All of them can't be fake.
23:20 <@jb7od> My son and his friends went on my world on the fam craftbukkit and I found all my cows in the nether... >_<
23:20 <@jb7od> ugh.... dix!
23:27 <@jb7od> the point of doing the multiworld plugin was so they could grief each other (or not) and let mine be old and boring and tranquil
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