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00:36 <@Dagmar> Mit audio!  http://www.vgtv.no/#!/video/115251/tom-daniel-skremmer-kompisen-med-en-ond-plan
00:37 <@Dagmar> Watch it to the end.
00:37 <@Dagmar> You'll know why by the time 35 seconds have passed
00:48 < aestetix_> huh
00:48 < aestetix_> I just realized that "Java" is a possible interpretation of the name of God
00:48 < aestetix_> YHWH where the Y becomes the J and the W is pronounced as a V
00:55 <@Dagmar> Possible but unlikely
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01:16 < aestetix_> wow
01:16 < aestetix_> I just saw the steam exploit
01:16 < aestetix_> how the FUCK did that pass QA
01:17 <@Dagmar> Daaaayum
01:29 <@Dagmar> I'm shocked it was even possible
01:30 <@Dagmar> Why the fuck was it even possible to issue that kind of change at that level in the API stack
01:31 <@Dagmar> Code the user can _touch_ should not be able to directly write to that
01:31 <@Dagmar> Still... *miles* away from the Shit Sony was failing at
01:37 <@Dagmar> Seriously.  I don't get why you'd architect something that large and make it flat
01:38 < aestetix_> what are you talking about?
01:38 <@Dagmar> Security domains.
01:38 < aestetix_> I'm referring to the thing where you could enter an empty string for the token and it would reset the password
01:38 <@Dagmar> Given that it's a large enough database, the credentials database should be _separate_ with only brokered access
01:39 <@Dagmar> It has nothing to do with billing informtion
01:39 <@Dagmar> Doesn't need to be kept with it, shoudlnt' be kept with it
01:39 <@Dagmar> Brokered access would make this sort of fuckup impossible
01:39 <@Dagmar> Instead of writing _to_ the goddamn database, the user initiated process on the webserver should be talking to another _service_
01:40 <@Dagmar> ...one that will of course, require the old password to come along _in the request_ to update it
01:40 <@Dagmar> At the very least a fuckin' stored procedure
01:41 <@Dagmar> Separating the security domains makes it a requirement
01:41 <@Dagmar> Let's say someone _compromises_ the server that's taking your password change requests
01:41 <@Dagmar> ...and it's just fucking allowed to do whatever the hell it wants.
01:41 <@Dagmar> What has just happened to your shit?
01:42 <@Dagmar> ....and you know, the users can _touch it_ because they're _using it_
01:42 <@Dagmar> Despite thousands of hours of scrutiny, there could be a fuckup and someone might actually gain elevated access to it
01:43 < aestetix_> From what I saw, you do the forgot password, and click to have it email you a token, and the next screen has a field where you can enter the token it emailed you. If you just click enter insead of entering anything, it automatically approves it.
01:43 < aestetix_> Or am I missing something?
01:43 <@Dagmar> 'cuz what's the forward-facing code exposure, and _what's the code exposure internally_
01:43 <@Dagmar> Rather _larger_ surface
01:43 <@Dagmar> Yes.
01:44 <@Dagmar> It should *not* *ever* allow password changes without the credential necessary
01:44 <@Dagmar> Never, ever
01:44 < aestetix_> I agree.
01:44 < aestetix_> You mean, without the token.
01:44 <@Dagmar> I'll make it simpler
01:44 <@Dagmar> The "right" way to throw it together is have another server, separate from the webserver, which hosts the database of user credentials
01:45 <@Dagmar> The *only* access to it would be through a simplified HTTP interface over TLS
01:45 <@Dagmar> *It* would enforce security criteria
01:45 < aestetix_> Ah. So that a fuckup on the application side would not also nuke the security on the credentials system?
01:45 <@Dagmar> So if you sent a request to it to change user 13816's password, unless you could provide it with a _valid_ and _relevant_ token as a credential, it should just tell you to fuck off
01:46 <@Dagmar> Yes
01:46 <@Dagmar> At the moment, the server hosting the application the users are talking to to do the reset _clearly_ has no restrictions on what it's allowed to do
01:47 <@Dagmar> With a stored procedure in MySQL even you could probably do this
01:47 <@Dagmar> It's sort of the reason stored procedures _exist_.
01:47 <@Dagmar> ...so that you can deploy more granular controls on access to the database, conditional access states, and most importantly, prevent shit like that
01:48 <@Dagmar> "Normal" sql use just gives users the ability to do what the fuck ever with tables and rows, dig?
01:48 <@Dagmar> Storerd procedures work like a template.  You give the user account _only_ access to those, and they can only run _those_ procedures
01:49 <@Dagmar> You do make the stored procedure take one of those arguments and compare it to an existing entry before processing the update
01:50 <@Dagmar> It's also how you let, say, internal distribution _only_ submit changes to inventory levels, without being able to view them
01:50 <@Dagmar> ...or delete them en-masse accidentally.
01:50 <@Dagmar> This one of the ways you separate things into more granular security domains.
01:52 <@Dagmar> Man the billing system I put together at MIMS was more advanced and it was a quick hack job
01:52 <@Dagmar> Once we had the CC numbers, they went to a dedicated billing details server on it's own network and you no touchy
01:52 <@Dagmar> From the front-facing side, you could push new billing information into it, but never read the credit card number again
01:53 <@Dagmar> On the backside, every time a billing event happened, that event would be assigned a unique ID and be passed long with the amount, through to a windows fileshare (sadly, all that was available)
01:54 <@Dagmar> Once the entire batch had been written across that private VLAN it would throw a lock file in, which the server hosting that would wait for and see.
01:54 <@Dagmar> Once it had that, it knew it now has the entire file containing all the billing transactions it needed to process, which is why the CC numbers traveled along a private network link
01:55 <@Dagmar> It would run the transactons, get the validation codes, and put the unique IDs and the validation codes into a file back in that fileshare, and write it's own lockfile
01:56 <@Dagmar> The billing server polled for those when there were transactions pending, and would see the lock file, grab the results, write more logs and go note all the paid stuff in the billing database
01:56 <@Dagmar> Literally every step logged in detail, and absolutely no way for anyone to fuck up short of breaking into those servers with some exploits
01:57 <@Dagmar> ...and god help them because the reason a fileshare had to be used was that the fucking software we had to actually push the CC transactions out ran in fucking DOS
01:57 <@Dagmar> It was an unlovely hack, but it was pretty fucking secure
01:58 <@Dagmar> No data was allowed to be changed except under very controlled circumstances, and multiple security domains were in effect
01:59 <@Dagmar> Double-billing events weren't even possible because I made the damn thing disallow excess billing per cycle
01:59 <@Dagmar> The middle machine kept the user account ID and the date of the last transaction
02:00 <@Dagmar> Less than 28 days and it would simply reject the transaction from the batch and put that in it's output
02:00 <@Dagmar> So if you were thinking separating those security domains is a lot of work, I can assure you that it's not
02:00 <@Dagmar> It actually makes shit pretty easy
02:01 <@Dagmar> I am guessing people avoid it because it means you have to actually have someone on staff who can code their way out of a wet paper bag
02:01 <@Dagmar> ...cuz you're kind of laying down the iron hand of god with respect to restricting what can go on
02:01 <@Dagmar> hehe
02:04 <@Dagmar> Is any part of this still confusing you?
02:20 < aestetix_> you know
02:20 < aestetix_> the bill cosby drama is both interesting and terrifying
02:20 <@Dagmar> Yes and just think of all those chocolate Jell-o pudding pops
02:21 < aestetix_> well, I make no conclusions until I see the facts
02:21 <@Dagmar> I just don't care that much
02:21 <@Dagmar> ...because all of it happened a very long time ago
02:22 < aestetix_> I do wonder how much of it is fauxminists recontextualizing things from a very different time, to serve and agenda
02:22 <@Dagmar> It's not something that the public at large really has any say in at this point
02:22 < aestetix_> yep
02:22 < aestetix_> There's also that whole statute of limitations thing
02:23 < aestetix_> What is bothering me though is how many univrsities are dropping all their relations with him
02:23 <@Dagmar> That's because the internet hate machine knows no limits
02:23 < aestetix_> As it seems American universities no longer have any guts.
02:23 <@Dagmar> There's precisely _no_ point at which they will go, "Okay, that's enough"
02:23 <@Dagmar> This is why it's _bad_ for this to be getting brought out into the street and beaten to death like it is
02:24 < aestetix_> well and there are all the actual assault survivors who are using Cosby as an effigy to come to resolution against their attackers
02:24 < aestetix_> https://twitter.com/MichaelPetrelis/status/625546069112258561
02:24 < PigBot`> Title: Petrelis 4 SF Mayor on Twitter: ">@USFca scrubs #BillCosby page & degree statement: http://t.co/KGNBnlGqZN@NYMag @Gothamist #TheEmptyChair #IAmCait http://t.co/jSBSX2uZPW" (at twitter.com)
02:24 < aestetix_> this terrifies me
02:25 <@Dagmar> This is why we have courts and stuff
02:25 <@Dagmar> So that the penalties for things can be agreed upon collectively, by presumeably calmer heads
02:26 < aestetix_> It's also worth noting that there are ways to press charges against someone without revealing your name.
02:26 < aestetix_> And I'd be curious why none of these women did.
02:27 < aestetix_> And if you settled outside of court.... then you settled.
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07:35 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:00 <@jb7od> northrup: little buddy in the bucket did. lol
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08:37 <@jb7od> I just wanna go back to bed. :|
08:37 <@jb7od> grumble.
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09:00 <@rattle> Ouchie..  http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2015/07/27/426613020/major-flaw-in-android-phones-would-let-hackers-in-with-just-a-text
09:00 < PigBot`> Title: Major Flaw In Android Phones Would Let Hackers In With Just A Text : All Tech Considered : NPR (at www.npr.org)
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09:21 < Synx|hm> any CCIE/CCNP looking for a job in franklin just saw a posting on linkedin
09:23 < Synx|hm> http://www.experisjobs.us/Cisco-RouteSwitch-Solutions-Engineer-Franklin-TN-37067-FOX-11030849-1437408983.htm
09:23 < PigBot`> Title: Cisco Route/Switch Solutions Engineer - Franklin, TN 37067 (at www.experisjobs.us)
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10:28 < Synx|hm> whats with dr's (both MD and PhD) and bowties
10:34 <@Dagmar> You already know the answer to that question.
10:34 <@Evilpig> the jews?
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10:37 < Synx|hm> who wants to pack for me
10:38 <@Evilpig> can it involve gasoline?
10:38 <@Dagmar> Sure.  I have some matches.
10:38 < Synx|hm> ha
10:38 <@Evilpig> Dagmar and I are clearly on the same page
10:44 <@Dagmar> Yup.  :)
10:44 < Synx|hm> im thinking local moves are the worst kind
10:44 <@Dagmar> Everything stacks so neatly when it's burned to a fine ash
10:44 < Synx|hm> normally id pack neatly lable everything and be good to go
10:44 < Synx|hm> this time im just tossing shit in box's
10:48 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm: typically if I were still in nashville i'd offer up both of my trucks to help.  lucky for me, i'm not in nashville anymore
10:48 < Synx|hm> ha
10:49 < Synx|hm> im going to hire a moving company that has their own truck for furnature and big shit, and try and get everything else in my pickup and wifes car
10:49 < Synx|hm> its only 10min away
10:50 <@oddball> I've already gone past my "damn near got heat stroke moving friends" quota for the summer.  Sorry.
10:50 <@oddball> (already moved... uh... 3 people)
10:51 < Synx|hm> ya when i moved in here last year, i loaded the biggest uhaul damn near all by myself until a few friends showed up late
10:51 < Synx|hm> then drove across the country here and the two guys we hired to help unload never showed up
10:51 < _NSAKEY> Synx|hm: For that, I recommend Fox Moving and Storage. Used them several years back, and they were awesome.
10:51 < Synx|hm> had to last min get some craigslist dudes after unloading half the truck by myself
10:52 <@oddball> oof, suck
10:52 < Synx|hm> then to make it way worse my fucking sister who was susposed to move the week prior (moving out of a house 3 doors down from where i moved into) decided to wait until the same fucking day as my move
10:52 < Synx|hm> so after i unloaded all my shit i had to drive the truck i was paying for to her house and move her house too
10:52 < Synx|hm> and none of her shit was boxed
10:53 < _NSAKEY> Sounds like she needs to pay half the rental on your moving truck.
10:53 < Synx|hm> didn't really cost me anything extra but the toll on my body was much
10:54 < Synx|hm> one of those "oh look you have a truck why dont you help me move too today, you clearly aren't exhausted or anything"
10:54 < Synx|hm> when the plan the entire time was for them to already be moved so they could watch my 1yr old (at the time) while the wife and i unloaded
10:55 <@oddball> Oh, one of the folks I helped move was a family, and the 17 year old son decided that he didn't need to be there to do heavy lifting since I was there.  The dumbass has run away from home and is currently living with his girlfriend.
10:56 <@oddball> Yeah... that's the kind of shit that I would expect my sister to pull.  Which is why I don't really talk to my sister.
11:00 < Synx|hm> ha and guess who planned a b-day party for her husband on saturday, when she again knew full well we were moving and expecing my now two year old to stay with her
11:04 <@oddball> Show up late after moving and don't shower.
11:06 < Synx|hm> im just going to show up in the morning drop off my child and not show up again
11:22 <@Evilpig> https://www.facebook.com/eazyland/timeline/story?ut=43&wstart=0&wend=1438412399&hash=2154167879394713171&pagefilter=3
11:22 < PigBot`> Title: Welcome to Facebook (at www.facebook.com)
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11:55 <@Evilpig> place yer bets, place yer bets!
11:55  * Evilpig is recertifying for dell warranty support.  Will he pass?
11:57 <@Dagmar> Are you, at this moment in time, chewing on a CPU or SATA cable?
12:01 <@Evilpig> no
12:01 <@Dagmar> Passed!
12:01 <@Evilpig> but give me a few and I can get a sata cable in my mouth
12:02 <@Evilpig> funny thing I passed it like I did the vandy tests.
12:03 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/sh/yr917hifjz5e5kc/AAAq9yd7NRSKyz6qqNXrEGrla?dl=0
12:03 <@Evilpig> you too can be dell server certified if you just follow my handy guide
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12:55 <@Evilpig> https://twitter.com/teri_ble/status/624413389457129472
12:55 < PigBot`> Title: deniromyhero on Twitter: "A flock of smelly asshles from @tumblr just came and took ovr @karaokecave like #manifestdestiny. Killed the mood . #fuckstartups" (at twitter.com)
13:31 < aestetix_> wow tumblr is actually serving a good purpose
13:34 < aestetix_> http://nymag.tumblr.com/post/125179609945/im-no-longer-afraid-35-women-tell-their
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13:37 <@eryc> http://www.funnyordie.com/articles/7b282c4287/leaked-sexual-fantasies-from-ashley-madison
13:37 < PigBot`> Title: Ashley Madison Hacked: Here Is The List Of Every Sexual F... (at www.funnyordie.com)
13:39 < aestetix_> wait wait way
13:39 < aestetix_> an 80 year old lady is accusing Cosby of rape
13:39 < aestetix_> that is just fucked up
13:39 <@klixa> that list isnt very long
13:39 <@klixa> there must be A LOT of overlap in fantasies
13:39 <@Evilpig> http://amazon.tumblr.com/
13:39 < PigBot`> Title: Amazon's Official Tumblr (at amazon.tumblr.com)
13:40 <@klixa> aestetix_: hoes germany?
13:42 < aestetix_> I love it
13:42 <@klixa> i used to want to move there... but i finally got used to here
13:43 < aestetix_> klixa: I'm curious on your take on the Cosby stuff
13:44 <@klixa> cosby is a good example of all it takes ot cast doubt on someone is to accuse them
13:44 <@klixa> maybe he did it, maybe he didnt.///we will never know
13:44 < aestetix_> I'm reading these stories
13:44 <@klixa> but everyone will always at least think he might have
13:44 < aestetix_> The one thing absent from all of them is a shred of evidence.
13:45 < aestetix_> well, outside of what I assume is considered testimony in court
13:46 <@klixa> still doesn't mean he didnt do it tho...thats the problem with these kinds of things
13:46 < aestetix_> right
13:46 <@klixa> in other news, my bf is meeting his 19 year old son for the first time next sunday
13:47 < aestetix_> how long has he known he had a 19 year old son?
13:47 <@klixa> hes always known
13:47 <@klixa> he has twins actually, the other one is a girl but shes pregnant and cant fly
13:47 <@klixa> so only the son is coming
13:47 <@Evilpig> o.O
13:48 <@klixa> their mother left one day when they were 3 months old... and after a few weeks he gave them to their grandmoptehr and she asopted them
13:48 <@eryc> this sounds like redneck drama
13:49 <@eryc> ,
13:49 <@klixa> yes, only rednecks give up their children for adotpion
13:49 <@eryc> ..to their grandmother
13:50 <@eryc> so he hasn't seen their grandmother in 19 years
13:50 <@klixa> its not his family
13:50 <@eryc> love is blind
13:50 <@klixa> redneck drama or not, i dont care how you label it..we're excite to meet them
13:51 <@klixa> excited*
13:51 <@eryc> it's like a 19yr old egg that just hatched
13:59 < Synx|hm> my nissan job app went to 'future consideration' :(
13:59 < Synx|hm> the status of the app that is
14:04 <@Evilpig> you can clean toilets anywhere.  don't let it get you down!
14:08 < aestetix_> what kind of job
14:10 <@Evilpig> janitor
14:10 < Synx|hm> OBD-II Engineer was the title at least
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14:31 < aestetix_> OBD?
14:31 <@opticron> obd2
14:32 <@opticron> like the port on cars
14:32 <@eryc> i got one of those bluetooth dongles for obd2
14:32 <@eryc> its kinda cool
14:33 <@eryc> you have to buy the app for $5 tho
14:33 <@eryc> the free apps dont work with the cheap chinese dongles
14:33 <@eryc> it was also another $5 for infiniti-specific engine metrics
14:34 <@eryc> i also got the viper remote start installed which is fun
14:34 <@eryc> walking back from disc golf on a hot day i started my car early and had nice cold AC to greet me
14:40 < Synx|hm> opticron: yup
14:40 < Synx|hm> on board diagnostics II (as in generation)
14:40 < Synx|hm> most everything is CAN bus now, however i have specific experience designing/developing ISO 9141-2 OBD-II scan tool
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15:32 <@Mirage> Evilpig: I didn't hear anything else from you, so I assume your return trip through DFW was better?
15:35 <@Evilpig> yeah it wasn't horrid
15:39 <@Dolemite> they at least gave him a reach around
15:40 <@Evilpig> a self-creating problem right here
15:40 <@Evilpig> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1567591291/mytranshealth-a-healthcare-website-for-the-trans-c
15:40 < PigBot`> Title: MyTransHealth: A Healthcare Website for the Trans Community by The Betsy Community Fund Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com)
15:44 <@oddball> heh... just out of curiousity, I looked and Skydogcon announced its dates... lastweek.
15:45 <@Evilpig> it's not dead?
15:45 <@oddball> Apparently not
15:45 <@Dolemite> Skydog moved back to Nashville
15:45 <@Evilpig> lol
15:45 <@oddball> It's going to be back at the Preston Oct.23-25
15:46 <@oddball> Dolemite: really?
15:46 <@Dolemite> He's even dressing like an adult
15:46 <@Evilpig> the weekend before phreaknic.  of course
15:46 <@Dolemite> Yes
15:46 <@Dolemite> He has hooked up with his old high school sweetheart and they just moved to a new (to them) home
15:46 <@Evilpig> ROFL
15:47 <@oddball> Evilpig: 2 weeks.  PN is the weekend of the 6th.
15:47 <@Evilpig> same diff
15:47 <@Dolemite> He's working at one of the healthcare companies in Brentwood
15:47 <@oddball> huh
15:47 <@Evilpig> how do you go from working at a security gear company to healthcare it?
15:48 <@Evilpig> big on promises short on delivery?
15:48 <@Dolemite> PhreakNIC is the same weekend as my Webelos Rush camp.  I'll be camping out on the grounds of Fort Loudoun and will be awoken by the re-enactors firing off the long guns at our tents.
15:48 <@Mirage> I just got into a mild argument with someone about the importance of terminating the last octet in a subnet with a "." for .htaccess Allow/Deny rules.
15:48 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: He's one of the security wonks for the company
15:48 <@Evilpig> guess it's a good thing he has me blocked on facebook.  otherwise i'd have lit him up by now
15:48 <@oddball> Dolemite: ha!
15:49 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: fire back
15:49 <@oddball> And GMX is the weekend in between.
15:49 <@Mirage> Skydog is back in Nashville?   Last I'd heard he moved elsewhere.
15:49 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Oh, don't worry.  I'm only going to rent one porta-potty, so there will definitely be some bombs dropped.
15:49 <@Dolemite> Mirage: Yes, he was in Charleston for right about 1 year.  He moved back about 2 months ago.
15:51 <@Evilpig> oh well.  I need to get back to this problem i'm working on.  stupid logic, stupid, stupid, stupid
15:51 <@Dolemite> I gotta head out and rescue my wife from the kids.  Or vice versa.
15:51 <@Dolemite> She has work tonight
15:51 <@Dolemite> later
16:01 <@Evilpig> kaleem might have just answered my half-depth problem
16:23 <@Evilpig> "beard droppings"
16:48 < _NSAKEY> Fun fact: Skydogcon held off on snatching up that block of dates at the preston and let Nashville 2600 have first pick.
16:48 < _NSAKEY> I'm going to go ahead and attribute that to Hurricane Elonka.
16:49 < _NSAKEY> (I was at the board meeting where this was discussed.)
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18:42 <@Evilpig> my step-dad isn't listening at all. jesus christ
18:42 <@Evilpig> he goes to talk to a web design company.  they tell him $3500 for the site design.  then $80/mo to host it.  then then tell him to transfer his domain to them
18:43 <@Evilpig> not point it at them.  transfer it to them
18:43 <@Evilpig> I tell him how shady this is, and that the hosting is so beyond overpriced that my wallet ran screaming
18:43 <@Evilpig> he tells me to do it anyway
18:44 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: Some people are too dumb to be helped.
18:45 <@Evilpig> he's family and i'll not let him screw himself
18:45 <@Evilpig> he was about to transfer his domain to someone without a contract and just believes this joker will give it back
18:45 <@Evilpig> yeah right...
18:51 <@Dagmar> lol
18:52 <@Dagmar> It would be a shame if something happened to them
18:52 <@Evilpig> knowing that they are telling all their customers they ahve to host it, they only run wordpress, it should be trivial to pwn
19:01 <@Dagmar> I'd go sock puppet some public inquiries about the true nature of their business
19:04 < v4mp> Synx|hm: have you ever emulated hi-scan with cascade?
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