--- Log opened Mon Jul 20 00:00:59 2015
00:03 < aestetix> It seems lke more and more, nobody knows how to respectfully disagree.
00:27 <@Dagmar> That's because the media is encouragng them to act like fools
00:34 < aestetix> So in theory, a way to solve this is to create another means of revenue for media outlets.
00:35 <@oddball> And the anti-bullying censorship on websites have largely turned into "he who can game the system the best and look like the victim wins."
00:36 <@oddball> example: Michael Z Williamson getting his FB account suspended for complaining about chiggers sucking his blood.
00:36 < aestetix> I wonder how much of this is also because Facebook is staffed with annoying SJW millennials
00:39 <@oddball> Oh, and colleges deciding that the classrooms need to be a "safe space" for discussion... as long as that discussion is only by "correct thinking" individuals.
00:39 <@oddball> Because a lot of folks these days apparently believe that free speech only applies to non-offensive speech.
00:40 < aestetix> Well at least colleges make it clear they are not actually about education.
00:56 < aestetix> looks like sourceforge is fucked
00:57 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: You mean because all the adblockers are blocking it and telling everyone that it hosts malware?
01:01 < aestetix> no, because a lot of projects are still down
01:05 < _NSAKEY> Oh.
01:05 < _NSAKEY> I gave up on Slashdot after the beta interface got forced on everyone and they made it clear that the visitors were cattle, not a community.
01:05 < _NSAKEY> Haven't had cause to visit dice.com properties very often since.
01:07 < aestetix> so
01:07 < aestetix> I'm seeing this trend of "millennials are liberals and leaving the Church"
01:07 < aestetix> wanna bet that in 10-15 years all of them will be conservatives?
01:09 < _NSAKEY> Probably a few will stay away, but I'd say you're mostly right.
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02:14 < aestetix> https://www.reddit.com/r/todayilearned/comments/3dvx5v/til_a_family_fighting_a_474000_hospital_bill_got/
02:33 <@Dagmar> This is why the ACA isn't that much of a help
02:34 <@Dagmar> The medical industry's pricing is just _wildly_ out of control.
03:08 <@Dagmar> Okay.  FUck it.
03:09 <@Dagmar> There is *no* sensible way to schedule an update for a clock based on real-time events using fucking postDelayed
03:09 <@Dagmar> It's stupid to even try
03:09 <@Dagmar> If you set it for 55 seconds in the future, and the phone goes to sleep for 45 of them, your shit will be 45 seconds behind and there's not a fucking thing you can do about it
03:10 <@Dagmar> My _only_ option is to bucket-brigade setExact timers before leaving the onRecieve() call
03:11 <@Dagmar> Every other method either leaves itself exposed to the garbage collector or will fucking fail to update in a timely fashion without having to also listen for the ACTIOn_USER_PRESENT signal
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07:33 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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08:27 < Synx|hm> ok duo security is badass why have i not been using this before now!
08:30 <@Evilpig> stubborn asshole,  only explanation
08:36 < Synx|hm> whats the deal with trash pickup if its city serviced?
08:36 < Synx|hm> somebody told me i pay it in taxes?
08:36 < Synx|hm> as in property taxes?
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08:43 < v4mp> sometimes in taxes, sometimes itemized fee that is optional opt-in
08:43 < v4mp> s/optional opt-in/optional/
08:46 < Synx|hm> thanks!
08:46 < v4mp> np
08:53 <@oddball> Synx|hm: Depends on where you are, but that's the case with a lot of citys.  That's how it works in Nashville.
08:53 < Synx|hm> ya when i lived in louisiana i had friends closer to shreveport that had their water and trash as part of their taxes
08:57 < aestetix> Are there still any places in the south where cousins marry?
09:00 < Synx|hm> some of the country folk ive seen both in louisiana and here in nashville, it would not surprise me
09:01 < aestetix> lol
09:01 < aestetix> I have a lot of family in Louisville. They all say that shit happens in southeastern kentucky
09:01 < v4mp> anyone still using prebuilt versions of chrome after this voicesearch thing
09:02 < v4mp> I keep checking the bugtracker, and seems like on windoze distros they're keeping it
09:02 <@oddball> Yes, but on my desktop where I don't have a mic.
09:02 < Synx|hm> v4mp: the auto install mic access thing? im not much up on the latest news should i not be using chrome browser?
09:02 < v4mp> yea.. or keep it d/ced or bios disabled when not using or whatever
09:03 < v4mp> was wondering if anyone has just banned the module from their system
09:03 < Synx|hm> well i guess its time to swing back over to firefox
09:03 < v4mp> i've been a bit lazy on that b/c i dont have mic
09:03 < Synx|hm> if it being exploited in the wild already?
09:03 < Synx|hm> s/if/is
09:04 < v4mp> unsure
09:17 < Synx|hm> damn it comcast, did they switch the non business ipv6 prefix from /60 to /64
09:17 < Synx|hm> fuckers
09:29 < Synx|hm> why the f' did i decide to deploy a radius server today
09:30 < Synx|hm> no im stuck in a never ending hole of deploying ubuntu lamp server, then i see this thing called landscape and oh neat i can manage all my ubuntu servers, then i stumble upon juju and now maas wtf is all this shit
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11:24 <@rattle> Woo.  MS OOB security patch today.
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12:13 <@brimstone> ms15-067!!
12:20 <@jb7od> >_<
12:22 <@jb7od> https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/security/ms15-067.aspx
12:22 < PigBot`> Title: Microsoft Security Bulletin MS15-067 - Critical (at technet.microsoft.com)
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12:28 < Synx|hm> f'ing vsphere
12:29 <@jb7od> Synx|hm: I've said exactly that before
12:29 < Synx|hm> ha
12:30 < Synx|hm> i need to deploy an ova and it is saying some connection error in chrome
12:30 < Synx|hm> and i cant figure out how to get a URL to the file from sourceforge
12:31 <@jb7od> I lost a dhcp election to an android phone on a vsphere once and that blew.
12:31 < Synx|hm> haha
12:31 <@jb7od> (I rate problem severity in how much I have to run around the room)
12:32 < Synx|hm> heres a fun one, i have one single ESXi host, that runs my pfsense router/firewall on one physical nic and the other physical nic is a wan link into pfsense
12:32 < Synx|hm> the LAN side nic is trunked with vlans so god forbid something goes down im sol unless i can tag the traffic to get to the esxi console IP
12:32 <@jb7od> I was about to say "oh fun" but you said that first. lol
12:33 < Synx|hm> ive had it happen a few times and been lucky enough i configured it right from the start and have a spare port sitting on my pswitch that is untagged and trunks back into esxi
12:37 < Synx|hm> jb7od: any chance you have a recomended freeRADIUS appliance?
12:39 <@jb7od> It's been so super long since I looked at RADIUS at all that I'm probably totally unfit to.
12:39 < Synx|hm> i need something to integrate duosecurity into pfsense
12:40 < Synx|hm> thinking a radius server + their radius proxy is the only way
12:41 <@jb7od> I only ever tampered around with that stuff as it related to DSL, which was what ATT used on it's routers. As an authentication mechanism it's pretty stout they used to say.
12:42 < Synx|hm> ya i want to turn on two factor for my local vpn connection
12:42 < Synx|hm> and it would be nice to have a centeral managed authenticator for my lab servers
12:45 <@jb7od> that sounds like a good implementation. it's been awhile since I worked in a building with a lab in it to worry about. sigh.. :*)
12:46 <@jb7od> have you decided what to do about a server, or was that the question?
12:47 < Synx|hm> im just going to deploy a vm for it
12:47 < Synx|hm> more just curious what gui front end to use
12:48 <@jb7od> Yeah, I don't know- it's been so long that it'd be neat to see what guys have come up with since then- could be freakin awesome by now. It's been long enough for sure.
12:52 < Synx|hm> :)
12:53 < Synx|hm> riddle me this
12:54 < Synx|hm> when java does its own update in windows, is it doing both 64bit and 32bit installs?
12:57 <@jb7od> I've never looked, but I'm all 32'd out on this machine anyway. Does it do something weird? lol
12:58 <@jb7od> I was going to say I thought it updated whichever one you'd loaded either or; https://java.com/en/download/faq/java_win64bit.xml
12:58 < PigBot`> Title: Which Java download should I choose for my 64-bit Windows operating system? (at java.com)
12:58 < Synx|hm> ya i usually just uninstall java completely and download each one manually again
12:58 < Synx|hm> ha
12:58 <@jb7od> so in the case of a 64 bit system where you load a 32 bit browser, what happens? need two? do both update, and how?
12:59 < Synx|hm> thats kinda my question haha
13:00 <@jb7od> I'd really wanna see a case where it was a 64-bit os, browser, and java, then load a 32 bit browser: does it work at all and what's it do? lol
13:00 < Synx|hm> by default windows still launches 32bit IE right?
13:01 <@jb7od> I think it depends on the disk you install with on that- I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest that you could open a 32bit IE on even the newest, but I'm not sure that's the default for x64 install media
13:04 < Synx|hm> ya looks like on my 8.1 64bit install IE 32bit is gone
13:05 <@jb7od> I wonder if there's a switch... <_< lol
13:06 <@jb7od> http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/ie/forum/ie11-windows_7/how-to-switch-from-32-bit-ie11-to-64-bit-ie11-on/b89b2577-4eed-4eeb-92b5-c4d2a4745721?auth=1
13:06 < PigBot`> Title: How to switch from 32-bit IE11 to 64-bit IE11 on Windows 7 - Microsoft Community (at answers.microsoft.com)
13:07 <@jb7od> the way that puts it, there's some kind of choice there... lol
13:11 < Synx|hm> i think win8 ditched 32bit ie completely
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13:49 <@Dagmar> w00
13:49 <@Dagmar> i ws sleeping pretty good there
14:19 <@eryc> https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/3dy03e/summer_kickball_done_right/ct9r9cf
14:32 <@jb7od> Synx|hm: it's headed that way. 32-bit is going to get dinosaured.
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14:40 <@Dagmar> No point in bothering with 32-bit anymore unless you've power/thermal considerations
14:40 <@Dagmar> ...and some of the teeny-weeny CPUs are now 64-bit arch
14:58 <@Dagmar> Well, now I *know* I'm dealing with a stalky troll
14:59 <@Dagmar> The director of a UU church has asked in the portal appeals G+ that the portals around his church be removed, since it operates as an overnight 'safe space' and Ingress players coming around at 1am are freaking those people out
14:59 <@Dagmar> I publicly backed this guys quite reasonable request
15:00 <@Dagmar> ...now that fuckwit Douglas Williams is trolling him.
15:12 <@Dagmar> ...and he's brought out sock puppet #1 to attempt to show support for himself.  I just called him out on it.
15:12 <@Dagmar> Now to wait for the inevitable explosion.
15:18 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: At what point do you get mad enough to send the guy a potato in the mail?
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15:32 <@Dagmar> Perhaps I might send one so he'd have something to eat after i bankrupt him with a slander suit
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15:55 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I finally bullied this idiot at this VPS company into giving me another box, but they've had a regression.
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15:55 < _NSAKEY> They don't use https for their control panel anymore.
15:55 <@Dagmar> Well... that's certainly one approach
15:55 < _NSAKEY> I really don't understand why anyone who runs anything like this would think http is a valid protocol on any portion of their web presense.
15:56 <@Dagmar> I bet it cuts down on the number of penetration attempts to their core infra
15:56 < _NSAKEY> http needs to die.
15:56 <@Dagmar> Why bother to hack the core infra to mess with a user when you can just compromise the user with an MITM attack
15:57 < _NSAKEY> Why bother compromising the users when you can sniff all the traffic going to the control panel subdomain and pluck the logins from a pcap?
15:57 <@Dagmar> Either way, it means someone who wants to take over a VPS has a much easier time of it
15:57 < _NSAKEY> If they used a sensible default distro (re: NOT CENTOS), I wouldn't even have a need for it.
15:58 < _NSAKEY> I'd just git clone my tor bridge project and move on.
15:58 < _NSAKEY> That's the only purpose this box serves.
15:58 < _NSAKEY> Fuck it, I guess any users of the bridge are just going to have to take a chance on getting compromised.
15:59 < _NSAKEY> That's easier than getting this outsourced tech support guy to understand how universally stupid it is to use http for that page.
16:00 <@Dagmar> It's not his job
16:00 <@Dagmar> That job belongs to a guy who is probably working remotely and was hired on the basis of the quality of the diploma mill he patronized
16:05 <@Evilpig> definitely nailed down part of my dad's internet problem
16:05 <@Evilpig> cat5 over his garage lights
16:05 <@Evilpig> I flipped the switch and the error rate just shot up like a rocket
16:09 <@Mirage> Lol...Dag, you'd love this.  Doing some work to figure out what needs to be done to cleanup a customer's DNS for an automated environment because their decommission process is broken.   So far the winner of the most fail is 116 PTR records active for one IP.
16:10 <@Mirage> Out of 3729 hostnames provided (both active and decommissioned), 1299 still have "A" records.   For all those there are only 407 unique IP addresses.
16:12 <@Evilpig> that can happen
16:12 <@Evilpig> I mean hell I have one ip and a dozen hosts on it
16:13 <@Mirage> Multiple A records or multiple PTRs?
16:13 <@Mirage> A records == good
16:13 <@Mirage> PTR == bad
16:14 <@Evilpig> a
16:15 <@Evilpig> well mixture of a and cname.  but hte ptr is funny as shit
16:24 <@Mirage> But how many PTRs do you have for the same IP?
16:31 <@brimstone> speaking of DNS, anyone know of a geolocation DNS provider that isn't Route 53 and doesn't use MaxMind data?
16:37 <@Mirage> Not off the top of my head.  What's wrong with GeoIP/MaxMInd?
16:38 <@brimstone> they're wrong for the IPs i'm testing
16:38 <@brimstone> a UK ip is showing up in Missouri
16:39 <@brimstone> a seattle ip in San Francisco
16:39 <@brimstone> Chicago IP in Georgia
16:39 <@Mirage> VPN? =)
16:39 <@brimstone> nope
16:39 <@brimstone> no VPNs
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22:20 < aestetix> man
22:20 < aestetix> I just finished The Gilded Age.
22:20 < aestetix> Mark Twain writes such fucking biting satire :p
22:22 <@Dagmar> I may have bad news for you, then.
22:22 <@Dagmar> s/writes/wrote/;
22:22 < aestetix> lol
22:23 < aestetix> Mark Twain was like the troll of trolls.
22:25 <@Dagmar> He described things exactly as he saw them to be, and whether or not people were mature enough to realize it wasn't his problem
22:25 < aestetix> The sad thing is, the things in the Gilded Age.... sound a lot like the US is today.
22:26 <@Dagmar> It's almost like people are failing to learn the lessons of the past.
22:30 < aestetix> where is RangerZ
22:31 <@Dagmar> This is good question
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