--- Log opened Mon Jul 13 00:00:51 2015
01:41 < aestetix> ok so
01:41 < aestetix> can anyone reccomend something that explains the difference between neoliberals and neoconservatives?
01:41 < aestetix> wikipedia is not useful
01:52 <@Dagmar> It depends largely on who is trying to demonize who
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04:49 <@Dagmar> What fucking maroon
04:49 <@Dagmar> "On a 10th admendent basis. I see you don't even understand how the basics work."
04:50 <@Dagmar> This, in relation to me laughing at the idea of a Kentucky court attempting to challenge a Supreme Court ruling.
04:50 <@Dagmar> I really want to bitch slap this guy just for daring to use such a fallacy
04:51 <@Dagmar> The US Supreme Court is somewhat unique in that it has both original and _apellate_ jurisdiction
04:52 <@Dagmar> It _is_ the highest court in the land, and whether or not it's a federal or state issue doesn't matter.  Period.
04:54 <@Dagmar> I want you to look at this man's Facebook feed and ask yourself, should he ever DARE OPEN HIS MOUTH in front of me
04:54 <@Dagmar> https://www.facebook.com/richard.reinh?fref=ufi
04:54 < PigBot`> Title: Welcome to Facebook (at www.facebook.com)
04:54 <@Dagmar> The dude is challenged or something
04:54 <@Dagmar> It's not just what he's reading, but how _slow_ he's reading it
05:27 <@Dagmar> By the way, to anyone planning on using an RPi and SDcards for storage... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4P026T2785 is an excellent choice
05:27 < PigBot`> Title: Kingston FCR-MRG2 USB 2.0 microSD microSDHC Card Reader - Newegg.com (at www.newegg.com)
05:28 <@Dagmar> I've only seen one smaller model, and frankly, when they're that short they're kind of a bitch to get back out
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08:12 <@opticron> I prefer this microsd reader: http://usb.brando.com/usb-microsd-hc-card-reader-with-easy-eject_p00933c0031d015.html
08:12 < PigBot`> Title: USB MicroSD(HC) Card Reader with Easy Eject (at usb.brando.com)
08:12 <@opticron> I've used it for a couple years now and it's never failed me
08:13 <@opticron> I had one of the insert-in-back readers actually break my card in half trying to get it out because it was so snug
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12:58 <@jb7od> Whoaaa split!
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13:31 <@Dagmar> jb7od: This recruiter just sent me a listing for an infosec advisor for the state.
13:31 <@Dagmar> NO.
13:32 <@Dagmar> For 63k, HELL NO.
13:32 <@Dagmar> Stick a 1 in front of it and I would still have grave misgivings.
13:32 <@Dagmar> I can spot a disaster of that size coming from decades away.
13:33 <@jb7od> HAHA! I can feel you. The school's paying break/fix techs $22.71/hr to start.
13:34 <@jb7od> I got spammed from my insurance co that the govt had something like a 2.1mil ssn (criminal/health/etc) breach today-
13:37 <@Dagmar> Add a digit.
13:37 <@Dagmar> OPM lost control of the information on twenty-two million people.
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13:37 <@jb7od> re-reading
13:37 <@Dagmar> If you ever applied for a clearance, or had a clearance, or knew someone well enough that they referenced you in _their_ clearance proceedings, your information was in there.
13:38 <@jb7od> You're right. they say 21, but whatever.
13:38 <@jb7od> did you get the listing today?
13:38 <@Dagmar> That's a little under 8% of the population of the entire United States.
13:38 <@Dagmar> jb7od: Yeah
13:38 <@jb7od> LOL! well damn..
13:38 <@Dagmar> I tried to tell the recruiter "no" as diplomatically as I could
13:39 <@Dagmar> The OPM thing has been getting reported to the press piece by tiny piece
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13:39 <@Dagmar> We've been sort of sitting back and watching it with a mixture of horror and hilarity for the last month
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13:40 <@Dagmar> The _one, large_ database that apparently held all the information... Adminstrated by people in China due to outsourcing.
13:40 <@Dagmar> Nevermind that anyone at all had access to the entire thing.
13:40 <@Dagmar> ...but to China.
13:40 <@jb7od> Oh there's a great idea... >_<
13:40 <@Dagmar> *eyepinch*
13:41 <@jb7od> Whoever ends up with the state infosec gig should be paid the total sum of all the decisionmakers behind that one...
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13:42 <@jb7od> have a boardroom's worth of sunday cars lol
13:45  * jb7od tries not to let his payscale depress him any further than it already does... 
13:45 <@jb7od> lol
13:58 <@Dagmar> Oh ho
13:59 <@Dagmar> Now THREE motherfuckers are posting false reviews of my app.
13:59 <@Dagmar> It's time to make some kids cry.
14:00 <@jb7od> You'd said something about that before- whatdja write?
14:00 <@Dagmar> I'll link it in a minute.  I'm about to ask they be banned from the game entirely.
14:01 <@jb7od> kk
14:01 <@jb7od> gotta brb myself.
14:08 <@_NSAKEY> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/hacking-teams-project-x-wants-to-spy-on-tor-users
14:08 <@_NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/hackingteam/status/620653515883565056
14:08 < PigBot`> Title: HackingTeam on Twitter: "@lorenzoFB @josephfcox Certainly couldnt be any wrong-doing hidden by TOR...or could there be?" (at twitter.com)
14:09 <@_NSAKEY> Things like this kind of make me hope people at HackingTeam have children who can be bullied by their peers on the playground, because their parents work for an evil company who sells to evil governments.
14:09 <@_NSAKEY> Kind of like how children of NSA employees supposedly got bullied after the Snowden leaks.
14:20 < aestetix> http://www.c-span.org/video/?327052-1/hillary-clinton-economic-policy-address
14:20 < PigBot`> Title: Hillary Clinton Economic Policy Address | Video | C-SPAN.org (at www.c-span.org)
14:20 < aestetix> This talk sound a lot like a New Deal
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15:00 <@jb7od> _NSAKEY: As outmoded as the whole "sins of the father" mentality is, it would seem I vastly overestimated children to not already bully other kids whose parents worked for the NSA pre-Snowden...
15:02 <@jb7od> All Snowden really did was confirm what we all, especially those in the field, suspected was going on.
15:02 <@jb7od> cattle-car-full-of-people-in-the-middle-of-the-night style.
15:06 <@_NSAKEY> Yeah, pretty much.
15:06 <@_NSAKEY> That approach is completely evil, but I don't think that the kind of person who would go to work at HackingTeam would understand much else.
15:06 <@_NSAKEY> As for the NSA, you're pretty much right.
15:07 <@_NSAKEY> Previous disclosures, like Thomas Drake's, were way more damning in terms of revealing the scope of illegal surveillance on the phone network.
15:07 <@_NSAKEY> That one was so illegal that Congress voted to give everyone involved retroactive immunity during an election year.
15:09 <@jb7od> I remember seeing some super old flick of some guy using davinci in one of these conspiracy-theorist youtube chans and was skeptical, but not that skeptical.
15:09 <@jb7od> I just remembered that ugly ass dashboard when I saw it later, except knowing what it was. lol
15:10 <@jb7od> No- you're right- the scope of the phone snoop was way beyond the scale of what we thought-
15:10 <@jb7od> back in 87, people might actually have *done something*
15:11 <@jb7od> but it's not enough for something to be completely and totally shady lol
15:11 <@_NSAKEY> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Room_641A
15:11 < PigBot`> Title: Room 641A - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
15:11 <@_NSAKEY> Ok, I was wrong. It was Mark Klein.
15:12 <@eryc> http://i.imgur.com/qVfhQWh.gifv
15:12 < PigBot`> Title: Asshole dad of the year award goes to (at i.imgur.com)
15:12 <@_NSAKEY> Got my whistleblowers mixed up for a minute.
15:12 <@jb7od> lol!
15:13 <@_NSAKEY> jb7od: Are you referring to the DEA's Hemisphere program, when you reference 1987?
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15:15 <@jb7od> I'm referencing some old figures that somebody rattled off citing that phone record collecting had been going on since the mid-80's and while they kept logs of everything, there are vastly less actual recordings, but some, of actual targets.
15:15 <@jb7od> and DEA does sound right, actually.
15:16 <@jb7od> but 87 just because NWA and Bad Brains were both still making records. lol
15:16 <@_NSAKEY> Sounds like you're talking about Hemisphere.
15:16 <@_NSAKEY> They had call metadata just for billing purposes, and dumped it all for the DEA.
15:16 <@_NSAKEY> It's not classified or anything, because they don't deal with stuff like that.
15:16 <@_NSAKEY> But they're told to keep any mention of Hemisphere out of court documents.
15:16 <@_NSAKEY> That can't possibly be legal.
15:17 <@jb7od> It definitely doesn't seem to fall under what you'd expect from a "reasonable expectation of privacy"
15:18 <@jb7od> post-patriot act, it's probably all sanctioned, but under the telecommunications act of 1996, probably not and undefined before that.
15:18 <@_NSAKEY> This is the U.S. government we're talking about. I don't think they've ever actually cared about obeying the law.
15:19 <@jb7od> Oh, I know. I'm not mad. lol
15:19 <@jb7od> just casually observing.
15:19 <@jb7od> that's an interesting question though.
15:19 <@_NSAKEY> One just has to look at history.
15:19 <@jb7od> could you prosecute pre-patriot act spying under the laws that existed at the time?
15:20 <@_NSAKEY> It's so bad that I just assume they're in the wrong by default whenever their conduct comes into question.
15:21 <@_NSAKEY> They probably wouldn't allow that for a variety of reasons.
15:21 <@_NSAKEY> One of them may or may not be because of statute of limitations.
15:21 <@jb7od> I think they drink alot and sell themselves on doing the wrong thing for the right reasons for so-and-so's safety, etc.
15:22 <@jb7od> True on limitations. It'd be interesting to see if there's one already set for govt spying-
15:22 <@jb7od> that'd be a hoot
15:23 <@jb7od> and when it was written in.
15:23 <@jb7od> lol
15:24 <@_NSAKEY> I remember being told once that if it's a federal crime and there's no set statute of limitations, it's a certain number of years by default.
15:24 <@_NSAKEY> Can't remember that number though.
15:24 <@_NSAKEY> It was less than 10.
15:26 <@jb7od> That's disappointing, but not really surprising. :/
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16:57 <@Evilpig> I just made myself laugh when I saw this and couldn't figure out what it was.   function serutciPoN(){
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17:47 <@northrup> Man - I missed a whole discussion about spying while I was out
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20:07 <@Evilpig> lol.  just got my tickets for primus in the mail and they came from nashville.
20:07 <@Evilpig> I was a little concerned when I saw the return address before I opened it
20:13 <@jb7od> whose playing drums?
20:14 <@Evilpig> not sure.
20:14 <@jb7od> Ah hell! ;D
20:14 <@Evilpig> http://concerts.livenation.com/event/00004E7E8D651B36?crosssite=TM_US:735894:1349
20:14 < PigBot`> Title: Tickets | Primus - New York NY at Live Nation Concerts (at concerts.livenation.com)
20:15 <@jb7od> Whoa! Dinosaur Jr, too? That ought to be a good one man. Have fun for me. ^_^
20:36 <@northrup> I saw Primus when they came to Nashville a couple of months ago
20:36 <@northrup> great show!
20:39 <@Evilpig> I saw them a while back when they were doing primus and the chocolate factory, this should be different but still awesome
20:48 <@_NSAKEY> Evilpig: At least it wasn't anthrax.
20:48 <@_NSAKEY> (The deadly chemical, not the band.)
20:49 <@Evilpig> I saw them too, I think i'd take the chemical
20:49 <@northrup> jb7od: Herb is back on drums again... this tour lineup is back to the Primus that launched in the 80's
20:49 <@jb7od> Nice!
20:49 <@jb7od> Has Herb ever come back though?
20:50 <@jb7od> I'd always sort of hoped he would, but I have no idea
20:50 <@jb7od> After Sailing the Seas of Cheese, I kinda lost sight of em.
20:55 <@northrup> Yeah, he's come back
20:55 <@northrup> he's who was on drums in the Nashville show two months ago
20:55 <@northrup> it was awesome
21:00 <@brimstone> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20091207202445AAN408Z&p=dinosaurs%20made%20up%20by%20the%20cia%20to%20discourage%20time%20travel
21:01 < PigBot`> Title: Were dinosaurs made up by the CIA to discourage time travel? | Yahoo Answers (at answers.yahoo.com)
21:01 <@brimstone> https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100510052950AA6Hb23&p=dinosaurs%20made%20up%20by%20the%20cia%20to%20discourage%20time%20travel%20lyrics.
21:01 < PigBot`> Title: Why do atheists believe in dinosaurs when we know it was made up by the CIA to discourage time travel? | Yahoo Answers (at answers.yahoo.com)
21:02 <@brimstone> i think i'm onto something ehere
21:04 <@Evilpig> brimstone: is it mushrooms?  lsd?
21:04 < aestetix> Evilpig: an hour long conversation with jonnyx
21:05 <@jb7od> brimstone: That's what's been holding me back all this time...
21:05 < aestetix> actully you know what would be a fun game
21:05 < aestetix> have a made up conspiracy theory, and a real one... side by side.... ask people tp pick which one is real
21:05 <@jb7od> At first I'm like all "yeah" then I'm like "eh... velociraptors.."
21:06 < aestetix> I just came up with a joke
21:06 < aestetix> what do atheists and vegans have in common?
21:06 <@jb7od> wha?
21:06 < aestetix> they both let you know they are atheists and vegans.
21:07 <@jb7od> HAHAHA
21:07 <@jb7od> badaBING! hahaha!
21:08 <@jb7od> anybody remember this: "What's the difference between Sarah Palin's mouth and her vagina?"
21:08 < aestetix> oh oh oh I got one
21:08 <@jb7od> "Something retarded comes out of her vagina only sometimes."
21:09 < aestetix> whats the difference between Evilpig's gf and a unicorn?
21:09 < aestetix> nothing
21:09 <@jb7od> HAHA! wat?
21:09 <@jb7od> lol
21:10 <@jb7od> hate to say it but I sorta saw that one comin.
21:10 <@Evilpig> stop watching my webcam
21:13 <@northrup> LOL
21:17 <@jb7od> In my office there's a few peeps with a piece of paper taped over their cams.
21:17 <@northrup> 'caue the boggie man is going to turn on the camera and watch you?
21:18 <@jb7od> so it would seem.
21:18 <@Evilpig> at tumblrhq several of them got these little plastic things that slip over the cam
21:18 <@Evilpig> I mock the paranoid, then fuel their paranoia
21:18 <@northrup> Bwahahaha
21:19 <@jb7od> to me it's just a clear sign of somebody who does something regrettable with their office laptop often and insecurely enough to merit a physical solution.
21:20 <@Evilpig> I do regrettable shit on my office laptop constantly
21:20 <@jb7od> lol!
21:20 <@jb7od> tape or no tape?
21:20 <@Evilpig> if you wanna watch me...  i'll be the one laughing when you have to see either a shrink or an eye doctor
21:21 <@Evilpig> or both
21:22 <@jb7od> I'm going to take that as a no-tape.
21:22 <@Evilpig> you're correct
21:24 <@jb7od> I don't keep my butthole at the ready to goatse intruders personally, but that may change... ;D hahaha
21:24 <@jb7od> THAT'll teach em!
21:25 <@jb7od> my userbase is vastly more female, so the ol butthole attack may not have the desired effect on attackers.
21:26 <@jb7od> omg ubuntu is the most updatinest OS ever.
21:29 <@jb7od> actually, disregard. I actually want these. I'm gonna horse around with msf and see how easy the super easy webcam stuff is.
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22:01 <@Dagmar> Whoohoo!  There we go!
22:02 <@Dagmar> MUUUUCH faster transfers now that I've replaced the front switch with one that's gigE capable and um... moved my desktop to be connected to the gigE switch in the study instead of the erm... fast ethernet wireless router.  Heh
22:02 <@Dagmar> I can tweak the SMB params for it later
22:03 <@Dagmar> 40Mb/s is way over the 12Mb/s I was getting before
22:03 <@Evilpig> heh.  i'd say
22:03 <@Evilpig> I generally get about 33MB/s over the network. :-/
22:03 <@Dagmar> Yeah dude.  It's been killing me for weeks every time I copy a show from the PVR to the desktop... across the one goddamn 100base-T segment left in the house
22:03 <@Evilpig> I think I have a bottleneck on the motherboard that i'm using though
22:04 <@Dagmar> This might be a disk read bottleneck for all I know.  It's never been worth troubleshooting because 100base-T is kinda meh.
22:05 <@Dagmar> It's easy enough _to_ troubleshoot, there's just been no reason to
22:06 <@Dagmar> That box's sata ports might be running in batshit compatibility mode for all I know
22:07 <@Dagmar> Tee hee Timing buffered disk reads: 142 MB in  3.02 seconds =  46.97 MB/sec
22:07 <@Dagmar> Yeeeah that explains it
22:08 <@Dagmar> I think I can maybe bring that up a bit
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22:10 <@Dagmar> Oh wow yeah I can definitely bring that up a bit
22:10 <@Dagmar> df
22:13 <@Evilpig> here...  laugh your balls off.
22:13 <@Evilpig> Timing buffered disk reads:  54 MB in  3.24 seconds =  16.67 MB/sec
22:13 <@Dagmar> 40 pin ribbon cable, right?
22:13 <@Evilpig> ;)
22:14 <@Evilpig> the other volumes read much better.  Timing buffered disk reads: 504 MB in  3.01 seconds = 167.54 MB/sec
22:14 <@Evilpig> I need to get rid of that old pata pair
22:14 <@Dagmar> Yeah prolly.  Or relegate just the OS files to it
22:14 <@Evilpig> they're only there for the host os, but I might have a vdisk parked there making life miserable
22:14 <@Dagmar> That was what I did here except I had an attack of the stupids and decided to span across to the first disk by about 70gb
22:15 <@Dagmar> 500gb + 70gb + performance hit
22:19 <@Evilpig> there's the slow down.   18G -rw------- 1 libvirt-qemu kvm   20G Jul 13 21:19 Firewall-Backup.img
22:20 <@Evilpig> I should move that image to faster storage.  meh.  back to what I was working on
22:25 <@northrup> ok - Evilpig the Sonarr was a great idea
22:25 <@northrup> thank you
22:26 <@Evilpig> even with the evil that came along with it?
22:26 <@northrup> the mono is an acceptable blight given the function that Sonarr brings ;)
22:26 <@Evilpig> which version of mono did you install?
22:29 <@northrup> I've got mono 3.10 running
22:29 <@Evilpig> you're gonna want to get that up to the 4.x at least
22:29 <@Evilpig> 3.2 and below sonarr had issues with.  3.4 it has a db corruption bug
22:30 <@Evilpig> [wilbur@hosting openDCIM]$ yum list installed | grep -i mono
22:30 <@Evilpig> mono-opt.x86_64                      4.0.2.5-2.1                       @home_tpokorra_mono
22:30 <@northrup> Ugh...
22:30 <@Evilpig> mono-opt-devel.x86_64                4.0.2.5-2.1                       @home_tpokorra_mono
22:30 <@Evilpig> I just upgraded to get rid of the stupid db corruption problem
22:31 <@Dagmar> FUCK yeah
22:31 <@Dagmar> 100MB/s now
22:31 <@Dagmar> That's more fuckin' like it
22:31 <@Dagmar> Why the hell do people even ship a 64-bit distro with samba lacking those socket options?
22:32 <@Dagmar> Windows, of course, is still brain damaged
22:32 <@Dagmar> Some of that was cached but...
22:33 <@Dagmar> Time remaining was saying "About 40 minutes".
22:33 <@Dagmar> ...for a 5.6 Gb file.  It only took eight and a half damn minutes over 100base-T
22:34 <@Dagmar> I know what I'm going to do with my Buckeye Dipshit problem now
22:35 <@Dagmar> At least, I have a "game plan" of sorts.
22:35 <@Dagmar> The guy is a goddamn delivery driver.  If I sue him, I'll win, but he'll just file for bankruptcy.
22:35 <@Dagmar> I'm going to give Google a few days to get to my complaint and nuke those malicious and slanderous reviews
22:35 <@northrup> good god the mono packages for debian are a bit confusing... 2.0, 3.0, 4.0
22:36 <@Dagmar> If they don't, I'm going to escalate a little bit, and appeal to the Ingress G+ community what they think about whether or not this constitutes harassment because those other two accounts are almost certainly sock puppets, and probably the fourth one-star as well.
22:37 <@Dagmar> ...and if Niantic doesn't boot that fucker from the game, I will just "rebirth" the entire app under a new name and dispose of the old one
22:38 <@Dagmar> ...and if he dares repeat that shit, I will simply make the public version simply change to say "MUTT7469 RUINED IT FOR EVERYBODY" and eliminate all public functionality
23:28 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I picked up an Optiplex GX620 (like we used to use in the NOC) to replace my service firewall with today
23:28 <@Dagmar> I'm about to take it apart to be sure no one used heat sink compound like freaking toothpaste (like we saw in the NOC).
23:28 <@Dagmar> I look forward to being able to do non-trivial amounts of squid caching again.
23:29 <@northrup> Dagmar: what are you doing with squid?
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23:47 <@Dagmar> Transparent caching
23:47 <@Dagmar> For sites which actually attempt to emit accurate information about caching, it's the shiznit.  They practically load instantaneously.
23:49 <@northrup> Yeah, I tried that for a while, my problem was that so many of the sites either have for shit information that ties to disbale caching or their content IS actually changin g
23:51 <@Dagmar> shucks.  the other RAM i have here is DDR not DDR2 so... not compatible
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