--- Log opened Wed Jul 08 00:00:43 2015
00:09 < fie> I get it
00:22 <@Dagmar> heheh
01:05 <@Dagmar> Damn I love how Charles Stross twists and warps other people's fictional genres.
01:05 <@Dagmar> He's got a real gift.
01:07 <@Dagmar> I'm on page 43 of 279, can see where the story is headed, and it is hilarious.
02:01 <@Dagmar> So... apparently the domain name 'asshat.guru' isn't taken, and 'asshat.info' is _really_ cheap.
02:02 <@Dagmar> ...also 'asshat.company'
02:35 < _NSAKEY> asshat.guru sounds like a personal domain name for aestetix.
03:42 < aestetix> what
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08:01 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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09:36  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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09:52 <@Evilpig> okay, this can't be real.  http://wreg.com/2015/07/07/city-council-votes-to-remove-nathan-bedford-forrests-remains/
09:52 < PigBot`> Title: City Council votes to remove Nathan Bedford Forrests remains | WREG.com (at wreg.com)
10:15 <@Dagmar> Oh you think people aren't that fucking stupid
10:15 <@Dagmar> I look forward to someone being arrested for defiling remains
10:38 <@Evilpig> guess I should head down and get to work pulling cable
10:53 <@oddball> So... the city council has pointed at a 100 year old corpse and shouted "unclean!"
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11:14 <@Dagmar> Wait... what?
11:14 <@Dagmar> I just got this from Lego
11:14 <@Dagmar> Dear evildagmar,
11:14 <@Dagmar> You are receiving this email because we have changed our user terms for your LEGO ID and we can see that you haven.t read and accepted them yet.
11:14 <@Dagmar> Please see the most important changes below:
11:15 <@Dagmar> Your user name may not be discriminating, unethical or otherwise offensive and may not contain a name.
11:15 <@Dagmar> Your username... "may not contain a name"?
11:15 <@Dagmar> *headdesk*
11:15 <@Evilpig> see if you can change it to LegoSupportBot01
11:16 <@oddball> but... I... username not containing name... I....
11:16 <@Dagmar> Yeah
11:17 <@oddball> Fuck it! Between that and a douchebag on FaceBook claiming that cops have the right to search you without probable cause, I think I'm just going to call today a wash and go back to bed.
11:17 <@Evilpig> good plan
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11:50 <@Dagmar> I think we should just turn off the internet for awhile until people learn to use it properly.
11:51 <@Dagmar> Shit started going downhill the moment we stopped making users actually read the instructions before turning them loose.
11:52 <@Mirage> I had much fun offending coworkers yesterday by stating that Social Networking and Social Media has destroyed the internet just like Reality Shows have destroyed TV.
11:52 <@Evilpig> Mirage: you speak the truth
11:52 <@opticron> people always get angry when you tell them the truth
11:52 <@Evilpig> but I will fight you on all reality tv being bad
11:52 <@Dagmar> opticron: YOU SPEAK TRUTH
11:52 <@Dagmar> Check this shit out
11:52 <@Dagmar> https://plus.google.com/+NikkoCureton/posts/djL6sRPdmXc
11:52 <@Evilpig> shit like "lost in transmission" I find immensely entertaining
11:53 <@Dagmar> Note that I let the dude slide on some really onerous points in the first round, so he came back and demanded a second helping
11:53 <@Dagmar> WISH GRANTED.
11:53 <@Dagmar> He's an embarrassment to the faction right now
11:53 <@Mirage> Evilpig: Yeah, we like Swamp People.  There have always been shows like hunting/fishing that used to be classified as sporting shows, but now are more often than not considered Reality TV.
11:54 <@Dagmar> I don't mind watching a man catch a fish.
11:54 <@Dagmar> I don't see why there has to be "interpersonal drama" involved in it.
11:54 <@oddball> Because... reasons!
11:55 <@Dagmar> Interpersonal drama _does not catch fish_.  Bait does.
11:55 <@Dagmar> Also, occasionally, metal hooks are needed.
11:55 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: "lost in transmission" has the host constantly at odds with his wife.  "no, you can't have any more cars."
11:55 <@Evilpig> it makes me laugh and laugh, cause you know he's a guy and he's just gonna ignore her and buy more
11:55 <@oddball> There have been instances where the producers decided to inject drama into a show and the show's ratings took a nose dive (example: Top Shot)
11:56 <@Dagmar> I don't want to _sound_ sexist, but tropes will be tropes.
11:56 <@Evilpig> back to the original point.  social media has made it too easy for morons to spread their lunacy
11:56 <@Mirage> One of my coworkers told me this morning that she should finally be getting her car back later today. She took it in for an oil change and computer software update (it's a hybrid).   The update process failed and essentially bricked her computer.
11:56 <@Dagmar> Fishing doesn't require guys to act like a bunch of women.
11:56 <@Dagmar> Mirage: OUCH
11:56 <@Evilpig> and allowed lunatics to gather and collectively make more noise where we wouldn't have heard from them pre-social media
11:57 <@Dagmar> Damn you'd think they'd have spares on hand for that kind of fatal exception.
11:57 <@Dagmar> It's not like they'd need to carry more than a couple of them.
11:57 <@oddball> Mirage: nice!
11:57 <@Mirage> They gave her a loaner while they tried to get to the bottom of the issue.   This morning they called her and informed her that the problem was an aftermarket GPS tracker that had been wired into the harness.
11:58 <@Dagmar> It's hard to say 'Sometimes firmware updates fail."?
11:58 <@oddball> Was she aware of this aftermarket GPS tracker?
11:58 <@Mirage> Once they removed the tracker they were able to get the computer to reflash properly.
11:58 <@Mirage> oddball: no
11:58 <@Evilpig> gps tracker... she monitoring her car or someone else monitoring her?
11:58 <@Dagmar> Yeah I was just thinking about that myself.
11:58 <@oddball> Oh dear
11:58 <@Dagmar> LOL
11:59 <@Dagmar> Was _he_ aware of this GPS tracker?
11:59 <@Dagmar> If not, someone's got some 'splainin' to do
11:59 <@Mirage> The tech said that maybe the dealer she bought it from placed it on the vehicle.  She pointed out that she'd bought it from them and they claimed they never installed trackers on their cars.
12:00 <@oddball> Next guess is that the dealer was one of those "we are the bank" types and they installed it.
12:00 <@oddball> oh dear
12:00 <@Dagmar> Dude, did they get this device handed to them after it was removed?
12:00 <@Dagmar> 'cuz i'd be going to the police about it
12:00 <@Mirage> She hadn't gotten her car yet.  I ran into her in the elevator.
12:01 <@Dagmar> They can take the "we are the bank" attitude all the like, but i'm pretty sure without explicit notification of that being installed, that shit's illegal in all 50 states.
12:01 <@Mirage> The tech at the dealership where she bought it claimed they didn't install it.
12:02 <@Dagmar> I assume you told her to get that device and not give it to _anyone_ who isn't the police
12:02 <@oddball> And take detailed pictures of it before handing it to the cops.
12:02 <@Dagmar> Yup
12:02 <@Dagmar> That is shifty as fuck.
12:02 <@Dagmar> Of course if the dealership installed it they're going to deny it, because they'll be up to their neck in feds soon.
12:03 <@Mirage> I suggested somethign like that, but didn't get to go indepth since we were on an elevator
12:03 <@oddball> Dagmar: The "We are the bank" dealerships usually have it in the paperwork for the loan.
12:04 <@Mirage> Yeah, my blue honda had one in it when i got it.   The kid's dad had a used car lot and his father had installed it so that they could track it and remotely disable it if it were stolen,
12:05 <@Dagmar> oddball: It won't protect them from being sued to hell and back unless they made a point of explicitly mentioning this to the customer.
12:05 <@Mirage> I had to take it to his dad's lot to get his mechanic to remove it.
12:05 <@Dagmar> It *might* keep someone out of jail.
12:05 <@Dagmar> I don't know how the laws in Texas roll, but I suspect being Texas, they won't be on favor of "watching you while you fap" tactics.
12:05 <@oddball> It will if they produce the page it was on with your signature on the bottom.
12:10 <@Evilpig> Mirage: had to? or that was just the cheapest easiest way to get it out?
12:14 <@Mirage> Evilpig: Since I wasn't sure where it was or how it was wired in, it was best to let the guy who installed it do the removing.
12:14 <@Evilpig> fair enough
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13:05 <@Dagmar> LOL NYSE fail
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13:06 <@Evilpig> I saw that
13:06 <@Evilpig> they're blaming a flakey gateway
13:11 <@Mirage> lol..someone in NY apparently jumped on stage before a show and plugged their phone charger into a fake outlet ON THE SET.
13:11 <@Dagmar> Suuure it's a flakey gateway
13:11 <@Dagmar> Probably has absolutely nothing to do with the Chinese stock markets crashing, too
13:11 <@Mirage> If they'd said someone had jumped up there to plug in their 3DS then I'd have known it was pig
13:12 <@Dagmar> ...because no military groups ever get involved in hacking other people's commercial infrastructure.
13:12 <@Evilpig> Mirage: you should know me better than that.  I carry a battery pack for that
13:12 <@Dagmar> Nope.  Doesn't happen at all and people would be crazy to even think about it.
13:13 <@Dagmar> Mirage: if there was ever a time for a sandbag to "accidentally" fall on something....
13:16 <@Mirage> http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-33295211
13:16 < PigBot`> Title: How far will we go to charge our phones? - BBC News (at www.bbc.com)
13:23 <@Evilpig> Mirage: this is one that i don't see gaining any traction.  http://www.breitbart.com/big-hollywood/2015/07/07/civil-rights-group-demands-kid-rock-denounce-confederate-flag-or-else/
13:23 < PigBot`> Title: Civil Rights Group Demands Kid Rock Denounce Confederate Flag… or Else - Breitbart (at www.breitbart.com)
13:24 <@Evilpig> WARNING! dickbag web admins enabled autoplaying video on that
13:24 <@Dagmar> That's because mature, non-reactionary adults are standing their ground and waiting for the children to tire themselves out.
13:26 <@Evilpig> and they will
13:26 <@Evilpig> he's also kid rock, who made a name for himself by telling people off
13:30 < aestetix> He's made a name by saying bawitabaw
13:36 <@Mirage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CcqUv3mBK3o
13:36 <@Mirage> "Top 10 Annoyingly Catchy Songs "
13:39 < aestetix> is call me maybe in that list
13:39 <@Mirage> Nothing is older than mid-90's
13:51 <@Mirage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6xXEaWz5Iw
13:51 <@Mirage> Meghan Trainor - "All About That Bass" PARODY
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16:08 <@Evilpig> NYSE was a story, but this should have been a bigger one.  http://www.engadget.com/2015/07/08/united-airlines-grounds-all-flights/
16:08 < PigBot`> Title: United grounds all its flights due to a network glitch (updated) (at www.engadget.com)
16:16 <@Mirage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdzCv_9eaoM
16:17 <@Mirage> "An Actual Playable Tortilla Record Etched with a Laser Cutter "
16:20 <@Evilpig> If it has anything on it other than a briefing, mission impossible style, they failed
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16:20 <@Mirage> Mexican Hat Dance
16:20 <@Evilpig> "this tortilla will self-destruct with some hot sauce and salt"
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16:38 <@Dagmar> "This tortilla will be digested in thirty seconds."
16:39 <@Evilpig> can anyone read this and not think "notlarry" ?  http://www.reddit.com/r/Jokes/comments/3cjxy9/i_was_sitting_on_a_train_next_to_a_hot_thai_girl/
16:39 < PigBot`> Title: I Was Sitting On A Train Next To A Hot Thai Girl : Jokes (at www.reddit.com)
16:49 <@jb7od> "I'm sure you
16:49 <@jb7od> 've heard of our developer..."
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17:48 <@northrup> jb7od: that's how every pos software pile starts... LOL
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20:57 <@jb7od> Night on Bald Update Mountain
20:58 <@jb7od> That's the title of tonight's monologue for whenever it gets to be 10p and I'm getting cagey off the status bars.
21:00 <@northrup> what you got going on tonight?
21:00 <@jb7od> much procrastinated about sp3 on Ex2010.
21:01 <@Evilpig> we'll be here to support and mock you
21:01 <@Evilpig> not necessarily in that order.
21:02 <@jb7od> I figured, but just so long as I'm not alone.
21:05 <@jb7od> I just wish a lot of this didn't ship broken. IIS pointing to all sort of wrong shit, no telling what.
21:05 <@northrup> Yeah... welcome to the good ship MS
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21:16 <@jb7od> northrup: did you guys do a personal pig this year?
21:27 <@Dagmar> Damn chinese vendors
21:27 <@Dagmar> I got that power bank in, but it's flat
21:27 <@Dagmar> It contains six cells, two of which _aren't connected to anything_
21:27 <@Dagmar> SOmeone cheated.
21:28 <@Dagmar> It "sort of" worked for an hour or two but didn't want to charge
21:28 <@Dagmar> ...then it went stone dead.
21:28 <@Dagmar> With a LOT Of effort I got the fucker open without destroying it utterly and tested the array.  2.37v
21:28 <@Dagmar> Once I got it above 2.5v the circuit board started responding again
21:28 <@Dagmar> I'm not giving it a "while" on the USB power to see if it's above it's "comfort level" for recharging the cells
21:29 <@Dagmar> I don't need this for anything major... just a throwaway power supply for an RPi or two that doesn't scream "IED"
21:29 <@Dagmar> Granted, if I made an IED it would look like a professional product, but fuck bombs
21:30 <@Dagmar> I'll dress this thing up to look like an "exotic matter charging cell" once I'm done with it, just because
21:30 <@Dagmar> MAYBE I won't have to put the cells back on the Battery Tender
21:30 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I gave up on buying direct from China long ago.
21:30 <@Dagmar> ...although 750mA output should be quite safe for this, I don't like to trickle/zap charge something that is meant to be steady charged
21:30 < _NSAKEY> I got burned every time I'd buy something under $5.
21:30 < _NSAKEY> it was always the wrong thing, or there was some glaring QC problem.
21:30 <@Dagmar> Well, this was $11.
21:30 < _NSAKEY> But it wasn't worth sending back.
21:30 < _NSAKEY> So, I don't buy direct from China.
21:30 <@Dagmar> ...for what claimed to be a 20000mAh bank
21:31 < _NSAKEY> I deal with American sellers only, and they can sort out shipping things back as far as I'm concerned.
21:31 <@Dagmar> With those two disconnected cells I fuckin' doubt that is true, BUT they might actually be usable still
21:31 <@Dagmar> Worst-case scenario, if the board works properly, I'll look into ordering six 3V rechargeables
21:31 <@Dagmar> ...or just go buy 12 AA rechargables and wire them in
21:32 <@Dagmar> Maybe 8
21:33 <@Dagmar> The chips aren't skinned and I'll have to research whether the voltage regulator is designed for 12v or 18v
21:33 <@jb7od> The only thing I've ever bought direct from china was a midi-USB connector. It works.
21:46 < fie> how do YOU reboot linux?
21:48 <@Evilpig> reboot
21:49 < fie> anyone else?
21:49 <@Evilpig> some dickbag I work with is fond of reboot -nf
21:50 <@Evilpig> or sending a soft reset to the ipmi controller
21:50 < fie> I'm trying to get a general feel of what everyone uses. I think the method I use might be rare
21:52 <@Evilpig> and that is?
21:52 <@Evilpig> there are a dozen ways to reboot a box and then some
21:52 <@opticron> you could always tell systemd to do it for you :)
21:53 <@Evilpig> does it have that ability?  I mean I knew it had the mail server, the sound daemon, the dhcpserver, the can opener, but I didn't know they built in a reboot
21:53 < fie> init 6
21:54 <@Evilpig> fie: not the most common, but not unhear of
21:55 <@opticron> Evilpig, I think they did, I remember "reboot" being fucked up for a while because it wasn't going through systemd and so the system just hung on shutdown
21:55 <@opticron> of course, I run sid, so I see it creeping through more systems than most
21:56 < fie> I don't remember reboot being around before but I'm probably mistaken.... init was the shortest command I found a long time ago to do reboots and I've just always done that
21:56 < fie> it was just way easier than shutdown -r or whatever it is
21:56 < fie> and never bothered to learn anything else
21:57 <@Evilpig> I used to use shutdown but nowdays it's easy for me to teach new people "reboot" and "poweroff"
21:58 < fie> Yeah reboot is way easy... same number of characters as init 6 so I'll just stick with that
21:59 <@Evilpig> this has been the latest addition to my shit...
21:59 <@Evilpig> service ipmi restart; ipmitool lan set 1 arp generate on; ipmitool lan set 1 arp interval 1; sleep 3; ipmitool lan set 1 arp generate off;
21:59 < fie> ok yeah, reboot is canonical
22:00 < fie> I learned init like 11 years ago using slackware
22:00 <@Evilpig> our switches lose the mac address of our idrac/ipmi/oob connections
22:00 < _NSAKEY> fie: "init 6" was always easier to type.
22:00 < fie> Evilpig, stack overflowed my cerebral cortex
22:00 <@Evilpig> so that little bit there sends out an arp to make the switch see them again
22:01 < fie> What is your job title?
22:01 <@Evilpig> bitch?
22:01 < fie> har har
22:01 <@Evilpig> datacenter technical lead, or something liek that
22:02 < fie> I was a sysadmin some time ago and there was quite a bit of networking which is fun on occasion but overall I'm not fond of it
22:02 < fie> shit hurts my head
22:02 <@Evilpig> the bulk of my day to day shit is hardware
22:02 <@Evilpig> actual hardare and cables.
22:03 < fie> "idrac/ipmi/oob connections" no idea what any of this is lolz
22:04 <@Evilpig> lights out server management
22:04 <@Evilpig> hp calls theirs iLo, dell is idrac, the generic is ipmi
22:05 <@Evilpig> example.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/0jtc37uqmkwxkar/Screen%20Shot%202015-04-01%20at%202.09.58%20PM.png?dl=0
22:05 < fie> . A complete LOM system consists of a hardware component called the LOM module and a program that facilitates the continuous monitoring of variables such as microprocessor temperature and utilization.
22:06 < fie> My last job involved making an intranet website that did that part
22:06 < fie> it had the ability to reboot servers but that's about it
22:07 <@Evilpig> it has logs for some hardware errors,  can reboot, can use the console, see the status of hte raid controller, etc
22:08 < fie> Yeah basically I was replacing those
22:08 < fie> that management console
22:08 <@Evilpig> we have other access to them.  but since we work on the hardware side it's handy to use for us
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22:08 < fie> they used microsoft's mostly (sscm?) but basically we'd hack the back end for microsoft/HP/hitachi management consoles and get the raw data and make uber leet web page
22:09 < fie> merge data
22:09 <@Evilpig> yeah I remember when vandy started using that microsoft disaster
22:09 < fie> it was fun but it began to eat holes in my brain so they shitcanned me
22:09 < fie> booyahkasha
22:09 <@Dagmar> It's a nice formal way for admins to ignore alerts
22:09 <@Dagmar> Pretty goddamn hilarious, if you ask me
22:10 < fie> microsoft doesn't know how to write queries for their own software
22:10 <@Dagmar> Vandy's Windows admins reduced alerts by 20% by disabling alarms
22:10 <@Dagmar> I reduced false positives in Nagios by 50-60% by *fixing* the damn things to be accurate
22:10 < fie> the guy in charge of monitoring stuff would trace the queries and I'd have to optimize them to go from like 5 minutes to 2 seconds
22:10 <@Dagmar> ...and I turned on ~15% *more* checks.
22:12 <@Dagmar> My last three months were a virtual unrestrained orgy of monitor-analyse-develop-deploy
22:12 < fie> Dagmar, admins or monkeys?
22:12 <@Dagmar> fie: Kinda hard to tell with the way half the Windows admins approached the task
22:12 <@Dagmar> Their opinion was if all the alerts were silent, everything's fine.
22:13 <@Dagmar> My opinion is if all my alerts are silent, I should probably be developing more granular alerts
22:13 < fie> for shizzle
22:13 <@Dagmar> They weren't amused that I basically refused to go to the "architect" for approval when I was the only one on call
22:13 <@Dagmar> Fuck that.
22:14 <@Dagmar> I put in 2-3 actual changes per day, and rolled out 3-4 "standard job function" upgrades/updates per day, and just _told_ him what I'd done every other day
22:14 <@Dagmar> Mirage is one of the few guys who could keep up when I was on a caffiene-fueled bug killing spree
22:15 <@Dagmar> That I never had to go back and _rewrite_ my updates stands as mute testimony to the fact that I am fucking _precise_
22:15 <@Dagmar> I don't need managerial oversight for goddamn shell and perl scripts.
22:15 <@Dagmar> I'm not operating in a vacuum of holistic humbuggery
22:15 <@Dagmar> I damn well know what's going on and how it all works.
22:16 <@Dagmar> If I *don't* or even suspect I don't, I'd write a test version that reported only to me and let it run for a week at a very high level of verbosity, in parallel to the existing checks.
22:17 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: https://boards.greenhouse.io/tumblr/jobs/20815?gh_jid=20815#.VZ3ZgBcqSnc
22:17 <@Dagmar> Netsec on call should have been shipping me free hookers for the amount of work I saved them
22:17 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Man, I'm just not ready to move to someplace like that or I'd already be sending you my resume
22:18 <@Dagmar> If it were a 100% remote thing I'd be all over it
22:18 <@Dagmar> heh
22:18 <@Dagmar> The number of hours I would work would be silly
22:18 < fie> Evilpig, that's your employer?
22:19 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: the money is worth it, there is an unending supply of shit to do
22:19 <@Evilpig> fie: yeah
22:19 <@Evilpig> for now
22:19 <@Dagmar> They never really understood at ITS that some of us sit in front of a workstation all day at the office, and then go home to... sit in front of a different workstation until it's time to pass out
22:19 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I do like the sound of 'unending supply of shit to do"
22:19 <@Evilpig> and shit doesn't close at 10
22:19 < fie> I created a position at my last company then had to move
22:19 <@Dagmar> I've been postponing the final rewrite of these bloody timers because my head isn't on straight yet, and I don't need to be pulling more 48 hour hack sessions while the chronic insomnia is playing up again
22:20 <@Dagmar> I've managed 8 hours of sleep in the last 24, which were not contiguous
22:20 < fie> The job was basically writing small scripts/web pages to accomplish dumb things that saved other people time
22:20 <@Evilpig> we have a few guys that work an overnight shift too.  they tend to come in at like 2 and work til 10ish
22:21 <@Dagmar> Damnit.  Either this recharging circuit is failtacular or the battery array is still below the comfort threshold.
22:21 <@Dagmar> Half an hour has passed and it's still reading 2.61v
22:21 <@Dagmar> I'll have to stick it on the battery tender and just sit in front of it while reading when I get back
22:22 < fie> UPS battery?
22:22 <@Dagmar> No, i ordered a supposed 20000mAh battery pack from some place online
22:23 <@Dagmar> To say it's "defective" would be an understatement
22:23 <@Dagmar> It has what looks like six 3V NiCD cells in it, which were not powered enough for the thing to function
22:23 <@Dagmar> Two of those cells were connected to _nothing_.
22:23 <@Dagmar> That's a bit of a warning sign all on it's own
22:23 < fie> I'm no expert but I would say to discharge it completely and recharge again
22:24 <@Dagmar> There's also no way they collectively represent 20,000mAh of energy storage
22:24 <@Dagmar> fie: That's why your'e not an expert
22:24 < fie> I hear recharging batteries before they've lost most of their power is bad
22:24 <@Dagmar> If they were completely flat, it would be _dangerous_ to charge them
22:24 < fie> Dagmar, that's why I prefaced it
22:24 < fie> Dagmar, oh?
22:25 <@Dagmar> When your cell phone battery is "empty" there's still probably just under a volt of potential on it
22:25 <@Dagmar> The charging circuits just don't _let_ it get that low
22:25 < fie> yeah I didn't mean to drain it completely
22:25 <@Dagmar> It damages the cell, and increases the amount of heat generation
22:25 <@Dagmar> What I'm doing now is basically "jump starting" the battery array with a Battery Tender that supplies a max of 750mAh power at 12v
22:25 < fie> <something about reconditioning batteries here>
22:26 <@Dagmar> Assuming the cells don't heat up and continue to charge, my guess is once I get the array above 4v, the circuit board that normally drives it all should resume recharging the rest of the way
22:26 <@Dagmar> Usually the thing "recondition" affects most is the circuitry that charges
22:27 <@Dagmar> It's having to sort of guess at how much power is in there.  This is particularly true of laptop batteries
22:27 <@Dagmar> it does that based on voltage and internal resistance of hte battery array
22:28 <@Dagmar> Especially for cell phones the only thing doing a complete discharge cycle accomplishes is retraining the software making those decisions (which as a battery array's behaviour changes over time, often becomes necessary)
22:29 <@Dagmar> If you dig around online you can pretty quickly find some VERY WORDY disserations about charging cycles of lion and nicd batteries
22:29 <@Dagmar> LION batteries suffer less degradation through the charge cycle, but they're more affected by being at maximum or undercharge levels
22:30 <@Dagmar> NiCD batteries basically degrade on a smooth curve over time no matter what
22:30 <@Dagmar> Also NiCD batteries are less likely to go out in a blaze of glory.  :)
22:30 <@Dagmar> The one _easy_ takeaway is if you have to leave a LION battery alone for a long period of time, charge it to only about 60%.
22:31 <@Dagmar> NiCD, it doesn't appear to much matter and it'll discharge more rapidly over time
22:31 < fie> The More You Know♒★
22:31 <@Dagmar> Leaving a LiON battery at max charge for a long period of time will significantly reduce it's usable lifespan
22:31 <@Dagmar> Yeah I've spent hours and hours reding up
22:32 <@Dagmar> I had every intention of building a custom Qi charger into this skull
22:32 <@Dagmar> Now I've decided... too much fuckin' work.
22:32 < fie> Well that'll teach me to make words and send them over the internet!
22:32 <@Dagmar> I'm going to repurpose the guts of some other battery pack into it
22:32 < fie> Qi?
22:32 <@Dagmar> Field coupling.  Inductance chargers
22:32 <@Dagmar> Wireless charging, man
22:32 < fie> Oh
22:33 <@Dagmar> I managed to find a place that looks like I can get a couple more skulls from that might be acceptable
22:33 <@Dagmar> I will probably make _several_ such devices over time
22:33 < fie> What kind?
22:34 <@Dagmar> An RPi and projector and probably webcam will be going into one
22:34 <@Dagmar> I've got a couple of bluetooth external speakerphones here that will get built into another
22:34 <@Dagmar> There's somethign profoundly both arcane and _creepy_ about having a conversation with a skull.
22:34 <@Dagmar> I like it.
22:34 < fie> skulls?
22:34 < fie> what kind?
22:35 <@Dagmar> Yes.  The bone inside a head
22:35 < fie> hooman?
22:35 <@Dagmar> Human skulls of course
22:35 < fie> dope
22:35 <@Dagmar> Granted these are plastic becuase the law has no sense of style
22:35 < fie> You can have human skulls
22:35 <@Dagmar> ...but the one I have here is at least not cartoony looking.  It's fairly realistic
22:35 < fie> they just have to be documented
22:35 <@Dagmar> fie: Umm... Yeah, I'm going to get one documented, how exactly?
22:36 < fie> get permission from someone to have their skull when they die
22:36 <@Dagmar> What I am doing would almost certainly be considered "defiling"
22:36 < fie> and uhh... coroner?
22:36 < fie> you just have to have papers to show that you didn't murder someone
22:36 < fie> it's totes legit
22:36 <@Dagmar> It's also a good way to get fitted for a new leather jacket with extra-long sleeves.
22:36 < fie> http://www.statemuseum.arizona.edu/crservices/download_init.php?f=asm_guidelines_human_remains_documentation.pdf
22:36 <@Dagmar> I only wear black leather.
22:37 <@Dagmar> The word "preservation" almost certainly figures prominently in that document.
22:38 <@Dagmar> Dude, that's for their own archaeological stuff, which is for preservational purposes by default
22:39 <@Dagmar> Trying to use a skull for "recreational" or "entertainment" purposes is not something they're going to have your back for.
22:39 < fie> psht, making me have to actually research this
22:39 <@Dagmar> Besides which, plastic and resins are a lot easier to work than bone.
22:39 <@Dagmar> Start with the sections of the law they mention in the very first grey box
22:40 <@Dagmar> Suffice to say, I've seen a few cases where someone's belongings turned out to contain a human skull, and the law was never particularly amused by it
22:40 <@Dagmar> Ya don't even so much as stick a candle on top of one if you don't want the law bitching at you
22:41 <@Dagmar> ...let alone drill a bunch of holes and rig it with electronics.
22:41 <@Dagmar> I've been gearing up for this for some time now
22:41 <@Dagmar> I can now mold two different kinds of plastic, just to make the internal supports and some unobtrusive external buttons
22:42 <@Dagmar> ...although I'm going to use layered backing board construction for the internal assemblies
22:42 < fie> http://www.skullsunlimited.com/record_variant.php?id=9552
22:42 <@Dagmar> Part of the reason I'm careful is because I used to have a fake skull in the trunk of my car
22:42 < PigBot`> Title: Real Human Skull (Homo sapiens) | WOK-3959 (at www.skullsunlimited.com)
22:43 <@Dagmar> I'd covered it with a thin veneer of plaster of paris
22:43 <@Evilpig> wtf sony?  http://store.sony.com/digital-recording-binoculars-zid27-DEV50V/B/cat-27-catid-All-Digital-Recording-Binoculars?_t=pfm%3Dcategory
22:43 < PigBot`> Title: Digital Binoculars With Camera Recording Function - DEV 50VB - Sony US (at store.sony.com)
22:43 <@Dagmar> IF the cop who saw it hadn't been able to tell that it was _not_ in fact a real skull simply because of the way the jaw connected, I'd have been in some shit because it certainly looked and felt like bone to the untrained eye
22:43 < fie> well stop keeping skulls in your car bro
22:43 <@Dagmar> hehe
22:44 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Those have been around for liek a decade now
22:44 <@Dagmar> Hell you can get almost not nerdy glasses with a 720p recording function in regular light for under $60 now
22:44 < fie> But yeah, for a project spending 1600 on a skull is probably not a good idea
22:44 < fie> not going to have a good time
22:44 < fie> there's one for 800 on there but it doesn't have any teeth
22:45 <@Dagmar> Cop: "You're going to have to explain that to me.  Now."
22:45 <@Dagmar> Me: "Explain what?"
22:45 <@Evilpig> the price on them...
22:45 <@Evilpig> $2000
22:45 <@Dagmar> Cop: "You *know* what.  Start talking."
22:45 <@Dagmar> lol
22:45 <@Dagmar> This was a conversation
22:45 <@Dagmar> I'd forgotten it was in there with all the computery bits
22:45 <@Dagmar> Apparently, it really attracts the eye of a normal person more than it does mine
22:46 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Yeah replica skulls are really goddamn expensive and _actual_ skulls are ludicrous
22:46 <@Dagmar> A good "artsy" one, maybe $20-25
22:47 <@Dagmar> Most people have never seen a real skull before, so you don't have to try very hard to make an artsy one look "real enough" to freak out most people
23:29 <@Mirage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtN1YnoL46Q
23:29 <@Mirage> "The Duck Song"
23:36 <@Mirage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ini1EWqTgd4
23:36 <@Mirage> "Kids Eating Warhead's Candies For The First Time "
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