--- Log opened Fri Jun 26 00:00:31 2015
00:43 <@Dagmar> Well... I guess that's that then.  https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7568
00:43 < PigBot`> Title: RFC 7568 - Deprecating Secure Sockets Layer Version 3.0 (at tools.ietf.org)
00:46 < _NSAKEY> SSL 3 is long overdue to be unceremoniously murdered.
00:56 <@Dagmar> Yes, sir.., Some of my friends are giant, unrepentant assholes.
00:57 <@Dagmar> Tommy Holt just posted a pic of himeself wearing a gimme hat, a wife beater, a pair of cowboy boots, and some euro thong suit with a rebel flag on it.
00:58 <@Dagmar> There's a whole crapton of people who have a rebel flag around because to them it represents being proud of being Southern, regardless of what happened in the past, as that was all in the _past_.
00:58 <@Dagmar> ...of course, precisely none of these people are allowed to speak up in defense of anything because of Nazis.
00:59 <@Dagmar> The level of revisionist history going on this week really pisses me off
01:05 < _NSAKEY> I never got the point in having and celebrating a flag that represents failure.
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01:06 < _NSAKEY> Oh, and backwards attitudes.
01:08 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: On another subject, would you like to see one of the strangest co-optings of Anonymous ever?
01:09 < _NSAKEY> It's really cheesy, runs too long, and is a pathetically bad attempt at astroturfing, but it makes valid points in its 21+ minute runtime.
01:13 <@Dagmar> Shore
01:21 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: It's not about "failure".  It's about the fact that people actually felt strongly enough about watching the federal government go off the rails that we fought a _war_ to settle our differences.
01:21 <@Dagmar> ...and contrary to the bullshit in the press lately, that _is_ what the war was about.
01:22 < _NSAKEY> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSDeQbjKf1g
01:23 < _NSAKEY> For some reason, I can't get a URL that starts at 0:00.
01:23 < _NSAKEY> So you'll have to do that manually.
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02:04 < aestetix> wait
02:04 < aestetix> SSL 3..... as opposed to TLS?
02:04 < aestetix> Isn't SSL basicalyl deprecated?
02:04 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: People still use it.
02:05 < _NSAKEY> https://xmpp.net/reports.php
02:05 < PigBot`> Title: IM Observatory (at xmpp.net)
02:06 < _NSAKEY> There's a good overview of what the XMPP ecosystem looks like.
02:07 < _NSAKEY> The portion that's most relevant to the conversation is at the top.
03:18 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: This video is kinda bad
03:20 < _NSAKEY> It is.
03:20 < _NSAKEY> It's also one of the sloppiest cases of astroturfing I've ever seen.
03:21 <@Dagmar> It's somewhat obvious the speaker has more than a small amount of familiarity with the law.
03:21 < _NSAKEY> It's even worse than that.
03:21 < _NSAKEY> The industry blog that originally linked to it is also the uploader.
03:21 < _NSAKEY> The youtube account used to upload the video shares the same name as the site...
03:21 < _NSAKEY> ... Yet "Anonymous did it."
03:22 < _NSAKEY> I don't think they understand how that works.
03:24 < _NSAKEY> Once you cut through all the silliness of the delivery and the horrible understanding of internet culture, all you have left is the actual information, which is pretty solid.
03:30 <@Dagmar> Anons could make the situation understandable in three minutes or less.
03:30 <@Dagmar> This is a bunch of long-winded industry gabble
03:30 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, everyone I've shown it to has said the same thing.
03:31 <@Dagmar> This literally reeks of "some shit the people in HR and middle management came up with"
03:31 < _NSAKEY> It is.
03:32 <@Dagmar> Most importantly, Anons don't ever suggest people send in lame form letters.
03:32 <@Dagmar> I mean, apparently there's a valid grievance there
03:32 <@Dagmar> So, hey, good for them for pointing it out
03:32 <@Dagmar> ...but the video reeks.
03:33 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, I don't disagree at all.
03:33 < _NSAKEY> It's one of those trainwrecks that I can't help but share with people.
03:33 <@Dagmar> So... why aren't the repo companies pushing back and simply demanding 1) protection from liability and 2) proper payment
03:34 < _NSAKEY> Kickbacks, dude.
03:34 < _NSAKEY> The forwarders charge a good bit of money, and pay the repo people a decent amount.
03:34 <@Dagmar> ...because I can assure you, if I could get _sued_ based on my good faith actions taken on the insstruction of someone else, I would be holding them pretty fuckin' responsible
03:34 < _NSAKEY> It's decent enough to not cause complaints in most cases.
03:34 < _NSAKEY> But then they do all these add-ons, like charging to deliver to the auctions, that the repo companies do for free and usually don't know about.
03:35 < _NSAKEY> That money gets used to give a kickback to some middle manager, in addition to being the profit.
03:35 < _NSAKEY> And they don't give a shit, because it's not their company.
03:35 <@Dagmar> That could land someone in jail
03:35 <@Dagmar> Seriously.
03:35 < _NSAKEY> Things go bad, they just go to some other faceless corporation and bring the forwarders with them.
03:36 <@Dagmar> Manufacturing a bogus fee to apply against the debtor's debt is definitely illegal
03:36 < _NSAKEY> They do all sorts of little things like that.
03:36 < _NSAKEY> I've got a price list that I've been meaning to leak that details a bunch of it.
03:37 < _NSAKEY> Just want to get a sample contract between a forwarder and a repo company to leak with it.
03:37 <@Dagmar> Hell, I'd send it straight to whoever would be most likely to throw some people in jail
03:37 < _NSAKEY> But yeah, the short version is that they charge all this extra stuff that they shouldn't be charging, and usually around 10-12% of the total bill goes to whichever middle manager signed the contract to get them the work.
03:38 < _NSAKEY> I've had several people tell me the latter part, but no hard proof of it.
03:45 < _NSAKEY> If I get that plus everything else, I will have a field day.
03:45 < _NSAKEY> Trainwrecking 80% of the industry in a short amount of time would be too hilarious to not do.
03:46 <@Dagmar> Sounds like a _correction_ to me, not a trainwreck
03:46 < _NSAKEY> Well, it's a trainwreck to the sort of people who deserve to die in a trainwreck. Let's put it that way.
03:46 <@Dagmar> Preying on people who are already in dire financial straights is pretty bereft of morality
03:47 < _NSAKEY> With all the extras, it's nothing to hear stories about repo invoices being in the upper hundreds, which is just evil.
03:48 < _NSAKEY> The part where they're really vulnerable is where they use the CFPB as toilet paper by giving info about debtors to the sub-contractors.
03:48 < _NSAKEY> They can't do that.
03:48 < _NSAKEY> They're just hand-waving and saying they can, but that's illegal.
03:48 <@Dagmar> One breach is all it'll take
03:49 < _NSAKEY> From the lender's standpoint, they're simplifying their lives by only having 1 company to deal with, instead of X.
03:50 < _NSAKEY> Even if there's no bribery involved.
03:50 < _NSAKEY> But the lender doesn't even get quality work.
03:51 < _NSAKEY> The people doing the actual field work just run by the addresses a couple of times and move on.
03:51 < _NSAKEY> The ones who are unlucky enough to get caught slipping get screwed hard though.
03:54 <@Dagmar> Go nuts with A/B testing if you can.  Who knows... you might get more traction if you overtly imply that the product is "100% legal"
03:54 <@Dagmar> wrong chan
03:54 < _NSAKEY> It still almost fits.
03:55 <@Dagmar> In other news, I have decided that my new web site will be gluten free.
03:55 <@Dagmar> It will also have a meta tag for "Trigger warning" of "Trigger warnings"
03:56 < _NSAKEY> That reminds me, Kroger's off-brand of Nyquil prominent says that it's gluten free on the price tag that hangs on the shelf.
04:05 <@Dagmar> I've seen beef jerky marked as "gluten free".
04:05 <@Dagmar> It's fuckin' dried meat.
04:05 <@Dagmar> Not bread.
04:05 <@Dagmar> WTF
04:09 < _NSAKEY> It's become a generic marketing term.
04:18 <@Dagmar> Okay.  That's kind of cool.
04:18 <@Dagmar> I just tested out something i noticed the last time I was poking around in the Chromecast app
04:19 <@Dagmar> So you can just basically stream the devices screen to a TV outright now
04:19 <@Dagmar> It seems to assume portrait orientation and has pillar bars, but it even works with Ingress
04:23 <@Dagmar> Fucking RNGs
04:23 <@Dagmar> Jesus
04:23 <@Dagmar> So Ingress just added a new thing to the game
04:24 <@Dagmar> A new type of capsule (normally just holds 100 items) which gives "interest", which is to say, it dupes items over time, slowly
04:24 <@Dagmar> Obviously, such a thing will necessarily be quite rare, so we've all been busting ass hacking our fingers off since Sundsy
04:25 <@Dagmar> After close to 2,000 hacks, all glyphed (so literally a shitton of gear has been recycled) I wasn't getting one
04:25 <@Dagmar> Someone gave me an extra tonight
04:26 <@Dagmar> ...and apparently, _on the fucking way home_ because loading that capsule with rare stuff was the last thing I did before I drove off from Centennial Park... I _tap hacked_ another one
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10:27 <@rattle> Go Supreme Court!!!!
10:36 < Evilpig_> ?
10:40 <@Dolemite> Did they hand down the gay marriage ruling, or is that in regards to yesterday's affirmation of ACA?
10:41 <@Dolemite> Gay marriage ruling
10:41 <@Dolemite> Legalized nationwide by SCOTUS
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13:08 <@Dagmar> Hehe https://plus.google.com/+PoyaMirtorabi/posts/dUpJNpKrEd6
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13:36 < aestetix> I guess I'm the only one who is not entirely happy with the SCOTUS gay marriage ruling.
13:36 < aestetix> For me, the ideal result would be the have the government get out of marriage altogether.
13:36 <@brimstone> i think there's some officials in Alabama who aren't happy
13:37 < aestetix> I'm also torn because I value states rights.
13:37 <@opticron> there are some officials in alabama that will never be happy
13:37 < aestetix> On the other hand, I have attended several same sex marriages.
13:39 < aestetix> I think what makes me the most upset is that I can't say "I am not entirely happy" without being outcast by the neoliberals.
13:44 < Evilpig_> aestetix: personally I think they should have eliminated marriage from the legal docs and changed it to civil union.  leave marriage for the religious types with the governmental benefits, issues, etc tied to the union
13:44 < aestetix> Well the other issue with this
13:44 < aestetix> Is that if in 10 years a more conservative supreme court reverses it, gay marriage will be banned for the whole country
13:46 < aestetix> This is also why I do not support Roe v Wade. It makes it too easy to reverse and fuck everyone over.
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14:11 < Evilpig_> chromecast is kinda awesome
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14:13 < Evilpig_> https://goo.gl/photos/CzctYmpLhRE9Qxvt6
14:18 < Evilpig_> grossscience.tumblr.com
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14:29 < Evilpig_> we're off thursday and friday next week
14:29 < Evilpig_> hot damn
14:40 < Evilpig_> cannot unsee...  http://38.media.tumblr.com/7b258d71194f8ed8059b68397e418927/tumblr_niasr0Ou5E1re0c97o1_500.gif
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15:34 < aestetix> That was the best speech I think a sitting President has ever given.
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16:12 <@Mirage> Evilpig_: Regarding marraige...how much stock can you really put in it when people like JonnyX and NL can perform them?
16:12 <@Mirage> granted, jonnyX did mine...but still.
16:39 <@Dagmar> I think it's just about time to troll the religious people
16:39 <@Dagmar> If they'd have been _sensible_ about it, they'd have taken a fallback position that the State should only deal in 'civil unions' instead of 'marriages' and ask that both be treated equally in the eyes of the law
16:40 <@Dagmar> ...but now, since they were dicks, they get to suck it up and accept "gay marriages".
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16:50 < [trip]> https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/batt-google-photos-free-unlimited-storage-all-things-tyler-pitchford
16:52 < [trip]> brimstone:
16:54 <@brimstone> [trip]:
16:55 <@brimstone> that's neat
16:58 < [trip]> brimstone: thanks
16:58 < [trip]> it’s all memory, right?
16:58 < [trip]> lol
16:59 < [trip]> it’s pretty much usenet all over again…
16:59 <@brimstone> it's all memory!
17:01 <@Dagmar> They'll just tighten up the APIs like they did with Google Mail when people decided to try to use it for raw storage
17:01 <@Dagmar> Honestly, $10/month gets you unlimited storage with Google anyway
17:02 <@Dagmar> ...and use of an API designed to facilitate it.
17:02 < [trip]> Dagmar: it’s usenet man
17:02 < [trip]> lol
17:04 <@Dagmar> No one can issue a spoofed delete request for your stuff in Google Photos
17:04 <@Dagmar> ...also, probably less porno.
17:05 <@Dagmar> _probably_
17:05 < [trip]> Dagmar: for now...
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17:31 < [trip]> have a good weekend!
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18:11 <@sasquatc4> man i should know better than to go down the rabbit hole of idiocy that is fox news comments
18:13 < _NSAKEY> sasquatc4: Why would you read the comments on any site?
18:13 < _NSAKEY> They're almost always garbage.
18:14 <@sasquatc4> true, im still under the naieve impression that maybe one day they will provide further insight, but fox ones are more for entertainment and astonishment that such people do actually exist
18:14 <@sasquatc4> and in such vast numbers
18:15 < _NSAKEY> When the calender rolls around to October 1st, 1993, the comments sections might be worth reading.
18:15 < _NSAKEY> Until such a time comes, I'm going to continue pretending they don't exist.
18:55 < aestetix> http://reductress.com/post/how-to-touch-a-naked-man-on-his-penis/
18:55 < PigBot`> Title: Reductress » How to Touch a Naked Man, On His Penis (at reductress.com)
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20:12 < RangerZ> so... corydon will be happy
20:12 < RangerZ> gay marriage in TN and rest of US (where they are still performing marriages)
20:13 < RangerZ> some counties has sworn to just not marry ANYONE if they have to let gay people be as miserable after being married as they are
20:13 < RangerZ> wait... thats what they said right? lol
20:48 < _NSAKEY> Also, Clarence Thomas invoked slavery.
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21:46 <@Dagmar> Well... I suppose that answers that
21:47 <@Dagmar> Between fixing the insane-o entry in /etc/hosts for localhost (somehow set to 127.0.1.1) and adding 4G of RAM to my MythTV box, the mysqld on it runs a shitload faster now
21:48 <@Dagmar> Searches complete in under 10 seconds now
21:49 <@Dagmar> ...as opposed to 55.
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