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02:08 <@Dagmar> Contrary to what RangerZ may have been claiming, I did *not* wash my car today
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03:48 < RangerZ> Dagmar: I never mentioned that in here.... but I'm assuming that many people thought the same thing ;)
03:53 <@Dagmar> lol there's a reddit thread about the Ingress client's directional pointer
03:53 <@Dagmar> http://www.reddit.com/r/Ingress/comments/3aa8b1/does_anyones_arrow_actually_point_and_move_the/
03:54 <@Dagmar> Epic.  Coding.  Failure.  is all I have to say about it
03:54 < PigBot`> Title: Does anyone's arrow actually point and move the right direction? : Ingress (at www.reddit.com)
03:54 <@Dagmar> The short answer to the question asked is "LOL NO"
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13:31 < aestetix> I am not a fan of conversations that begin with "so what is your pgp key id?"
13:39 < RangerZ> why not?
13:39 < RangerZ> is there a better solution?
13:39 < cyberanger> Is "so what is your gpg key id?" any better?
13:40 < RangerZ> would you have preferred if they asked for your SSL Cert signed by verisign?
13:40 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Did you refer them to trust.aestetix.com?
13:40 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: At least you didn't have someone ask for your "symmetric secret language" after they pasted their private key at you.
13:46 < RangerZ> I mean "seriously" what would have been better? just randomly made up SSL certs on the fly? and what chat clients support that? OTR is as far as I know the only plugin that even attempts to do that
13:47 < RangerZ> I think your issues with PGP are a little overblown
13:47 < RangerZ> so what if someone can see who trusts you? thats the point
13:48 < RangerZ> show me an RFC for web of trust where that can't be done ;)
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14:02 < aestetix> lol
14:02 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: actually I need a host for that db
14:02 < aestetix> know anyone who has some resources?
14:02 < aestetix> If so, I'm happy to set up a nightly refreshable sks db
14:03 < aestetix> wait, doesn't Evilpig have a box?
14:05 < aestetix> RangerZ: well there is diaspora
14:05 < aestetix> but yeah, it's a hard problem
14:05 < aestetix> the question is not that someone can who who I trust, the question is can we control who that someone is
14:15 < RangerZ> 'control who someone is' what do you mean
14:15 < RangerZ> verify someone's identity ?
14:15 < RangerZ> we're back to Verisign
14:15 < RangerZ> lol
14:18 < aestetix> uhhh
14:19 < aestetix> let me rephrase
14:19 < aestetix> when I "trust" someone, the question is, to whom do I broadcast that I trust them
14:19 < aestetix> besides me and them of course
14:19 < aestetix> at the moment, if you sign a key, it's you broadcast it to the world
14:19 < aestetix> which is nonuseful
14:19 < RangerZ> thats not true
14:20 < RangerZ> it _IS_ useful
14:20 < aestetix> well yes
14:20 < RangerZ> you just want DRM
14:20 < aestetix> there is no way to control it though
14:20 < aestetix> what if I want to broadcast that I trust B, but only broadcast it to C?
14:20 < RangerZ> not valid
14:20 < aestetix> why not?
14:20 < RangerZ> b/c it fails the same way DRM does
14:21 < RangerZ> once something enters plaintext/visible its recordable
14:21 < aestetix> the difference between DRM and this
14:21 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Why don't you just get a Digital Ocean box?
14:21 < _NSAKEY> I bet that db would fit on one of their $5 a month KVM plans.
14:21 < aestetix> with DRM, you have A, who wants to have full control over what they say with B
14:21 < RangerZ> sure you can send your "proof that D knows me" to C
14:21 < aestetix> with the trust model, trust should be a mutual thing
14:22 < RangerZ> but there is nothing preventing C from sharing that proof
14:22 < aestetix> although that is not how it is currently set up :/
14:22 < RangerZ> and yes
14:22 < aestetix> ooooh
14:22 < aestetix> $5 a month sounds nice
14:23 < RangerZ> it is DRM because as the person being discussed you want to control what others do with your proof
14:23 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: They have multiple DCs too.
14:23 < RangerZ> I have a ~dozen 15$ credits if you want
14:23 < aestetix> RangerZ: what if person A and B agree they only want to share their trust link with themselves and C?
14:23 < _NSAKEY> If you need more space than what they offer and for some reason don't care about processor speeds, kimsufi's an option.
14:23 < RangerZ> thats just relying upon somenoe's good nature
14:23 < RangerZ> not anything else
14:24 < _NSAKEY> They're an OVH child company that rents out atom servers in France and Canada.
14:24 < aestetix> RangerZ: isn't that sort of the definiton of trust?
14:24 < RangerZ> depends
14:24 < RangerZ> the 'definition' of TRUST is actually something being debated
14:24 < aestetix> right
14:24 < RangerZ> b/c it means different things electronically
14:25 < aestetix> right
14:25 < aestetix> RangerZ: so you have a bunch of digitalocean credits?
14:25 < RangerZ> yeah, they sponsor hackathons
14:25 < aestetix> cool
14:25 < RangerZ> I'll have to look to see if they are 'timed'
14:26 < aestetix> would you be willing to support 6 months of a pgp tool? :p
14:26 < aestetix> the $10/month plan looks reasonable
14:26 < RangerZ> ahh nvm, looks like they were timed
14:26 < RangerZ> sorry
14:26 < aestetix> boo
14:26 < aestetix> are any of them valid?
14:26 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I get by with two $5 boxes.
14:27 < _NSAKEY> I've found that the $5 plan is good enough to host a mediawiki install with light traffic.
14:27 < aestetix> sure
14:27 < aestetix> I don't think it's enough for a postgres database with a nightly sks keytore though
14:28 < aestetix> 512 megs of ram is not much for a database
14:29 < RangerZ> sure it is
14:29 < RangerZ> SQLite3
14:29 < RangerZ> just don't do 'complicated queries' on it ;)
14:29 < aestetix> lol
14:29 < aestetix> I was just gonna say
14:29 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Do you need much of a CPU?
14:29 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: not for most queries
14:29 < aestetix> actually for the purposes of this tool.... I wonder if 512 megs is enough
14:29 < _NSAKEY> For about the same amount of money, you could go with one of kimsufi's atom servers.
14:30 < _NSAKEY> While you'd be stuck with an atom proc and a 10/100 connection, they offer 4GB of RAM and 1 or 2 TB of storage for the lower end boxes.
14:30 < aestetix> for how much?
14:31 < aestetix> oh wow
14:31 < aestetix> this is nice
14:31 < _NSAKEY> I ordered one of the 1 TB versions a couple monts ago and got a box with 2 TB, probably because of avilability.
14:31 < _NSAKEY> Around 9.99 euros I think.
14:31 < _NSAKEY> Plus 9.99 euros for setup.
14:31 < aestetix> 2g ram, 500 gig disk, 5 eur a month
14:31 < _NSAKEY> You might get lucky and find the 4.99 euro box is available.
14:31 < aestetix> it says "currently being replenished"
14:31 < aestetix> https://www.kimsufi.com/en/
14:31 < PigBot`> Title: Kimsufi: affordable dedicated server! (at www.kimsufi.com)
14:32 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, the 4.99 euro one is like never available.
14:32 < aestetix> lol I see why
14:32 < _NSAKEY> I got the KS-2 except with a 2 TB drive.
14:32 < aestetix> but still, 10 EUR for 4 gigs of ram and 1tb
14:32 < _NSAKEY> Guess they ran out of 1 TB drives at that exact slice of time.
14:32 < _NSAKEY> Yeah.
14:33 < _NSAKEY> I set up freebsd on mine and changed the TCP congestion control algorithm from newreno to cubic.
14:33 < _NSAKEY> Add tmux and rtorrent, and I've got a pretty decent seedbox.
14:33 < aestetix> wow, rackspace can't even come close to this
14:33 < aestetix> hehehe
14:33 < aestetix> I just got a notice from rackspace because I use one of their boxes for torrenting
14:33 < _NSAKEY> I wish the pipe was a little faster, but I can't really complain for the money.
14:33 < _NSAKEY> I had a $5 a month VPS with a hetzner reseller for years.
14:34 < _NSAKEY> Never got any notices from them.
14:34 < aestetix> well I mean
14:34 < _NSAKEY> Hetzner gives so few shits that efnet banned all of their ranges a while back.
14:34 < aestetix> I kinda have to use a proxy for downloads
14:34 < aestetix> because the anti-piracy laws in german are really, really harsh
14:34 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, I bet.
14:34 < aestetix> I mean, they are so strict that there are still video stores here
14:34 < _NSAKEY> Haha, wow.
14:35 < _NSAKEY> Just how bad are they?
14:35 < aestetix> I don't remember, but they can either ban you from using the internet, there mightbe jail time too
14:35 < RangerZ> yep
14:35 < aestetix> Everyone who is technical basically uses a proxy
14:36 < aestetix> The place I was staying at when I first arrived.... they had a wall filled with DVDs
14:36 < aestetix> and told me "please god do not torrent anything"
14:36 < _NSAKEY> I don't even have a working DVD player anymore, except for a little portable one with a build in screen that I bought back in 2003 or so.
14:36 < _NSAKEY> *built
14:36 < RangerZ> a good torrent box isn't expensive
14:36 < _NSAKEY> My other one died.
14:37 < RangerZ> allows you to DL to the box, and the DDL to your machine
14:37 < aestetix> So yeah. I torrent to a box in texas, and scp it to my machine
14:37 < RangerZ> I've used game machines to play DVDs for the past 5~6 years
14:37 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: scp?
14:37 < RangerZ> secure copy
14:37 < aestetix> yes
14:38 < _NSAKEY> Let me hook you up with something better.
14:38 < aestetix> oh?
14:38 < aestetix> don't say rsync
14:38 < _NSAKEY> scp is shit tier for lots of file transfers.
14:38 < _NSAKEY> No, rsync is shit too, for my purposes.
14:38 < aestetix> What do you use? Something that can run in parallel?
14:38 < _NSAKEY> You want to grab lftp.
14:38 < _NSAKEY> I'm changing the command output around now.
14:38 < RangerZ> for 'lots' of files, you're better off with tar/zip-ing the files
14:39 < _NSAKEY> I tossed this in a shell script and then aliased it.
14:39 < aestetix> tarring a video file that is already compressed with a codec? :p
14:39 < _NSAKEY> lftp -e 'mirror -c --use-pget-n=2 --parallel=2 /home/aestetix/dl/ /home/aestetix/intake ; exit' -u aestetix,asdf sftp://torrents.aestetix.com:22
14:39 < _NSAKEY> Adjust the pget and paralelle numbers as needed.
14:40 < _NSAKEY> /home/aestetix/dl = dir the remote files are stored on
14:40 < _NSAKEY> /home/aestetix/intake = local folder they go to
14:40 < _NSAKEY> "aestetix,asdf" assumes that the username on the remote box is "aestetix" and "asdf" is just gibberish to pass to lftp so that it doesn't fall over and die.
14:40 < _NSAKEY> You can use pubkeys.
14:41 < _NSAKEY> It's probably pretty self-explanatory from there, but sftp is (pretty clearly) used.
14:41 < _NSAKEY> I spent an evening researching how to do parallel terminal downloads.
14:41 < _NSAKEY> Why?
14:41 < aestetix> does it support resume?
14:42 < _NSAKEY> Because following stribka's Secure Secure Shell guide broke FileZilla, and I wanted parallel downloads.
14:42 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Sure. You just start the command over again.
14:42 < aestetix> oh wow, it supports resume automatically?
14:42 < _NSAKEY> That's been my experience, yeah.
14:42 < aestetix> er, by dafault
14:42 < aestetix> default*
14:42 < _NSAKEY> Hang on, let me test it again.
14:43 < _NSAKEY> Yup.
14:43 < _NSAKEY> I had a bunch of + signs from a partially finished download that I cancelled last night.
14:43 < _NSAKEY> Again, I stuffed that command in a shell script, then made a bash alias for it.
14:43 < _NSAKEY> The assumption is that you want everything in the remote dir, and want it all dumped in a specific dir.
14:44 < _NSAKEY> *specific local dir.
14:44 < aestetix> http://waffle-stomp.urbanup.com/1266156
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15:08 <@Dagmar> LOOOL
15:08 <@Dagmar> https://www.google.com/maps/place/Vanderbilt+University:+Department+of+Political+Science/@36.1416701,-86.7970511,19z/data=!4m6!1m3!3m2!1s0x0:0x88bfaf7a0b0a5f6!2sPeabody+Library!3m1!1s0x0000000000000000:0x501f6d25f6dd7d90?hl=en
15:08 < PigBot`> Title: Google Maps (at www.google.com)
15:08 <@Dagmar> That's the Hill Center.
15:08 <@Dagmar> TOO fuckin' hilarious
15:19 < RangerZ> ?
15:19 < RangerZ> did they move the dept?
15:19 < RangerZ> or just just wrongly labeled
15:21 < RangerZ> although I have always found it funny that dead center of campus (even where the label is) is the engineering building... making it hard to park and walk to the building... no matter which direction you attempt, lol
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21:28 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2015/06/21/us/attack-gave-chinese-hackers-privileged-access-to-us-systems.html?referrer=
21:28 < _NSAKEY> Computers at the I.R.S. allowed employees to use weak passwords like "password."
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22:15 <@Dagmar> Ugh
22:15 < _NSAKEY> Yeah.
22:15 < _NSAKEY> "You might only be qualified to work at McDonald's if..."
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