--- Log opened Sun Jun 14 00:00:18 2015
00:32 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: Dude, they apparently got the researched data from _all the background checks_
00:32 <@Dagmar> Whoever got it basically has all the information they'd ever want to know about anyone with any kind of clearance.
00:33 <@Dagmar> That is *bad*
00:33 <@Dagmar> It is *nightmarishly* bad
00:33 <@Dagmar> Feel free to spend a few hours thinking about what you could do with that information, if you were a psychotic asshole
00:34 <@Dagmar> ...or someone looking to fuck shit up on a massive scale.
00:34 <@Dagmar> It makes me fuckin' glad I do *not* hold a clearance
00:35 < _NSAKEY> Oh, I know.
00:35 < _NSAKEY> It's PERFECT from a blackmail standpoint.
00:35 < _NSAKEY> Keyword search for vices, and start dreaming up ways to bully those people.
00:35 <@Dagmar> How many people would you like to be able to flip
00:35 <@Dagmar> ...knowing that every one of them has elevated access to something serious
00:36 < _NSAKEY> What I want to know is how many of them have potentially compromising info in their files.
00:36 <@Dagmar> Or, you know, simply _impersonate_
00:36 < _NSAKEY> vs How many are totally clean.
00:36 < _NSAKEY> I'd like to know how many are perfect little federal angels, without so much as a speeding ticket.
00:36 <@Dagmar> If you wanted to know everyone who holds a clearance that works at Watts-Barr... Done
00:36 <@Dagmar> THeir life stories would be in there
00:37 <@Dagmar> You couldn't possibly pay enough money to spies to get that kind of detailed information
00:37 <@Dagmar> There simply aren't enough spies to go 'round
00:37 < _NSAKEY> It's probably the worst possible thing that could happen from an intelligence standpoint.
00:37 <@Dagmar> Hence my comment
00:37 <@Dagmar> This is a meltdown
00:37 < _NSAKEY> Snowden disclosed systems, which has been redacted by journalists and trickled out.
00:37 <@Dagmar> Like, if it were just passwords, those could be changed
00:37 <@Dagmar> This is basically, whole people
00:37 < _NSAKEY> Whoever grabbed the OPM data has it unredacted, and all at once.
00:37 < _NSAKEY> Yup.
00:38 <@Dagmar> The _least_ terrible thing to happen would be for it to simply be released to the masses
00:39 <@Dagmar> ...and after some careful study, you now know _what they look for_ so you can very likely get your own "people" clearances without failing the background checks
00:39 < _NSAKEY> That too.
00:40 <@Dagmar> US security just got pwned by a foreign power
00:40 <@Dagmar> People are going to have to be chipped to trump that
00:40 <@Dagmar> How many of our authentication bypass/handshake mechanisms are based on these kinds of details
00:41 <@Dagmar> Like, pretty much all of them that aren't biometric-based
00:41 < _NSAKEY> Exactly.
00:41 < _NSAKEY> KBA needs to die in a fire.
00:41 < _NSAKEY> If it was the Chinese, I can totally see them trolling spies in their country.
00:41 <@Dagmar> Now you not only know the street where Bob Engineer grew up, you know the names of his neighbors and probably their pets
00:41 < _NSAKEY> Just have someone walk up, sit next to our spy, and start dropping hints that they know their life story.
00:42 < _NSAKEY> Or hell, spies anywhere.
00:42 <@Dagmar> Frankly, I'd be more concerned about them being able to replace people
00:42 < _NSAKEY> Hahaha.
00:42 <@Dagmar> I am actually _very_ concerned about that
00:43 <@Dagmar> For all those people, the only safe verification of identity is goign to be first-hand close personal knowledge of their identity
00:43 < _NSAKEY> It'll be a couple of years before the shockwaves start dying down from this.
00:44 < _NSAKEY> It will be interesting to see how the government copes with getting owned so hard.
00:45 <@Dagmar> Now I'll bet we'll see a push for hard tokens
00:45 <@Dagmar> Just about count on that
00:45 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking maybe now is the time to look into whose stock money can be thrown at
00:45 < _NSAKEY> Yeah.
00:46 <@Dagmar> No sizeable infrastructure is going to be able to operate on the assumption that intimate personal details would be a secret
00:46 < _NSAKEY> Select for companies with CAGE codes.
00:46 <@Dagmar> *shudder*
00:46 < _NSAKEY> And of course, who specialize in tokens, or have a division that does such things.
00:46 <@Dagmar> PN19: "Be afraid."
00:52 <@Dagmar> On the bright side, if I roll out a distributed identification system for Ingress agents, I can say it's potentially more secure than government ID. ;)
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02:27 < RangerZ> Dagmar: http://politics.slashdot.org/story/15/06/14/0441220/report-russia-and-china-crack-encrypted-snowden-files was this what you and NSAKEY were talking about?
02:27 < PigBot`> Title: Report: Russia and China Crack Encrypted Snowden Files - Slashdot (at politics.slashdot.org)
02:54 < RangerZ> and if it took 2 years for both russia and china to break his encrypted files.... then it SURE AS HELL wasn't "weak"
02:54 < RangerZ> if my encryption would last longer than 24 hours, I'd consider myself happy
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03:19 < RangerZ> yes?
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03:57 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: No, what we were talking about was the OPM losing control of all the data collected from fucking background checks done for people with clearances
03:58 <@Dagmar> ...which is considerably more of a mess than Snowden's files getting out
04:01 < nexusL> what exactly is OPM?
04:02 <@Dagmar> Office of Personnel Management
04:02 <@Dagmar> Basically, if you are to get a top secret clearance, they do a background check on you
04:02 <@Dagmar> ...which is very detailed.
04:02 <@Dagmar> VERY detailed.
04:02 < nexusL> and the OPM was hacked?
04:02 < nexusL> or was I misreading?
04:02 <@Dagmar> You tell them about your entire life, and the last ten years of your life in detail, and then they go follow up and ask a whole bunch of your people about you.
04:02 <@Dagmar> Yes, the OPM was hacked.
04:04 < nexusL> ahh ok so someone made off with enough details to be able to do a nicely setup phishing compaign against the data the lifted which means it is more likely i was a state sponsored attack which is more looking at hacking those people then stealing their IDs for monitary gain
04:04 < nexusL> this does not make me feel warm and fuzzy in the least
04:06 <@Dagmar> DOn't worry, after you've slept on it to completely absorb it...
04:06 <@Dagmar> ...you'll feel worse.
04:06 <@Dagmar> A phishing campaign would be on the low end of the spectrum
04:06 < nexusL> yeah.......thats a scary hack right there
04:06 < nexusL> true man that is some real scary shit
04:07 < nexusL> and let me guess they are pointing to china?
04:07 <@Dagmar> It really doesn't even fuckin' matter
04:07 <@Dagmar> Massive damage has been done
04:07 <@Dagmar> Attempting to identify anyone without a serious face-to-face is going to be a no-go for some time
04:08 < nexusL> oh shit I did not even think of it to that extent
04:08 <@Dagmar> Yeah, it is a very serious compromise of the information we typically use to vet people
04:08 <@Dagmar> Literally
04:09 < nexusL> in a situation such as that, i mean what can be done. in the form of damage control?
04:09 <@Dagmar> I imagine certain offices are telling people they would rather lose their genitals than their hard token
04:10 <@Dagmar> Someone new coming onto a project?  Someone had better be checking photo ID
04:10 <@Dagmar> ...and then bringing in someone that actually knew them already.
04:10 < nexusL> wow, what a mess.
04:11 <@Dagmar> I just want to know why the fuck that wasn't air-gapped
04:12 <@Dagmar> Like, ideally for something as simple as a billing operation, you want very, very narrow access
04:13 <@Dagmar> Like the accounting server can issue something along the lines of a stored query saying "Charge customer X amount Y using the first stored payment method" and get back a transaction ID but never be able to touch the actual payment information
04:13 <@Dagmar> ...and that gets audited and scrutinized and _rate-throttled_
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04:14 <@Dagmar> ...but apparently this massive pile of sensitive intel was stolen, en masse?
04:14 <@Dagmar> How the flying fuck?
04:14 <@Dagmar> It's so mind bogglingly improper I half wonder if it's not something that was just _made up_
04:14 < nexusL> someone was not doing their job, a high amout of data being transfered out someone should have seen it
04:15 <@Dagmar> A whole lot of someones were not doing their jobs
04:15 <@Dagmar> THat's not a data store anyone shoudl ahve been able to jsut browse in it's entirety
04:15 <@Dagmar> Hell, that data should have been primarily read-only, and probably only accessible on a very monitored and controlled network
04:15 < nexusL> sounds like their whole foundation was built without any real security and data access management in mind
04:15 <@Dagmar> ...in very small quantities
04:16 <@Dagmar> I've already called two people
04:16 <@Dagmar> Sort of hinted at the fact that they might want to make a phone call or two on Monday morning
04:17 < nexusL> i do not believe I follow.
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04:17 <@Dagmar> THey hold clearances and possess sensitive data
04:17 < nexusL> yeah that dawned on me as soon as I hit enter
04:18 <@Dagmar> Some protocols are almost certain to change
04:18 <@Dagmar> ...and some people might want to pay close attention to just baout everything for a bit
04:18 <@Dagmar> I've basically been sitting around kinda glad my primary dev box is broken
04:18 < nexusL> glad I am not on eof those people
04:19 <@Dagmar> I can binge on Netflix and try real hard not to think about this
04:19 < nexusL> yeah i feel ya on that one
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04:26 < aestetix> god
04:26 < aestetix> reading news about the OPM hack
04:26 < aestetix> it is astonishing how ignorant commenters are
04:27 < aestetix> Since even if you never applie for a clearance, you might be in there
04:29 < RangerZ> well one of the problems is how many people have 'secret' and 'top secret' access... what 5million for 'secret' and 2million for top?
04:30 < RangerZ> [As of last October, nearly five million people held government security clearances. Of that, 1.4 million held top-secret clearances. More than a third of those with top-secret clearances are contractors, which would appear to include Mr. Snowden.Jun 10, 2013]
04:31 < RangerZ> and IIRC, you don't have to have either to mark something as such... so what... ~2x that could easily mark something as such, and be done with it?
04:32 < aestetix> Sure but
04:32 < aestetix> You don't have to have applied for a clearance to be in the DB.
04:32 < aestetix> That's what people don't get.
04:32 <@Dagmar> Individuals aren't going to have to worry about this
04:33 <@Dagmar> That's honestly like worrying about Godzilla showing up on your doorstep, looking for you, specifically
04:33 <@Dagmar> People should be freaked out by the presence of Godzilla anywhere in their city
04:34 <@Dagmar> Whether or not any one person is in the db or not is practically nothing
04:34 <@Dagmar> That this is the sort of thing that will let an attacker know who has a clearance and who doesn't is massively bad all by itself
04:35 < aestetix> Well, what I was pointing out is that all these idiots who are saying the spies got what they deserve, don't understand how big this is.
04:35 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm not ruling out that they didn't also lose compartmentalization information and are just keeping mum about it
04:36 < aestetix> I really hope this results in a class action lawsuit against the OPM.
04:36 <@Dagmar> Yeah that'll be real useful
04:36 <@Dagmar> Not.
04:36 < aestetix> Well, what else can be done?
04:37 <@Dagmar> Right now... figure out how to work with all that information being out there
04:37 <@Dagmar> Let's say Joe has a clearance
04:37 <@Dagmar> Joe might be in possession of interesting information.
04:38 <@Dagmar> Literally anything Joe has access to which has a method for recovering their access credentials is now a MASSIVE LIABILITY
04:38 < aestetix> Indeed.
04:38 <@Dagmar> Retirement funds, bank accounts, _other government databases_
04:39 <@Dagmar> Much of which has a secondary access control based on intimate personal details
04:39 <@Dagmar> ...and the bad guys have it all.
04:40 <@Dagmar> Joe *might* have all this information stored securely, but if you can use that OPM info to get around those gatekeepers, well...
04:40 <@Dagmar> Jig's up, basically.
04:40 <@Dagmar> Hard tokens are now a thing they _must_ have
04:40 < aestetix> And if someone who has a lot of access to a major bank was in the database
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04:40 < aestetix> That becomes very bad.
04:40 <@Dagmar> Or investigative records
04:41 <@Dagmar> Want to know about military operations?  Identify a person, tunnel in with their info.  Read reports.
04:41 < RangerZ> hell think of "if I give out free USB drives with viruses in this neighborhood to kids, they will have a 45% likely hood to be children of someone with clearance "
04:42 <@Dagmar> Well, now you know who to mail the flashdrives to
04:42 <@Dagmar> ...or whose kids to grab
04:43 < aestetix> yep
04:43 < RangerZ> "ohh look this entire family has clearance" -> 'thats interesting'
04:43 <@Dagmar> Or "this guy has clearance, but we can't really tell why"
04:44 <@Dagmar> ...which would be a sign they've got more than just a top secret clearance
04:44 < RangerZ> or even worse  "this laundry mat has two employees with clearance"
04:45 < RangerZ> Clapper: "ohh meta data isn't important"
04:45 < RangerZ> or whoever it was
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09:54 <@Evilpig> a friend of mine and his wife are on a cruise. just before he left he asked me what the best way to get some movies onto his tablet was.  so of course I said plex
09:55 <@Evilpig> he asked me to show him how to use it so I went in and picked two test files.  he went and picked several more.  I just looked at the sync logs and all he got was the two I picked.  what a romantic week he's in for...
09:55 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/5rln4shmz5ma7lj/Screen%20Shot%202015-06-14%20at%209.52.40%20AM.png?dl=0
11:53 < crashcart> HA! nice.
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13:42 < RangerZ> ok... steam trade offers are a bigger PITA now "/
13:42 < RangerZ> :/
13:42 < RangerZ> requires email verification
13:50 <@Evilpig> google photos... interesting.  creepy as fuck.  neat.
13:50 <@Evilpig> https://goo.gl/photos/d2ur3fDmfADyqewE7
13:51 <@Evilpig> so I flipped on the upload in my phone and a few minutes later I got a notice that it auto-created an animated gif for me from my photos
13:58 < RangerZ> thats kinda fucking impressive/wtf at the same time
13:59 < RangerZ> when google photos launched, I read a ton of things about it which basically summed up said : "This is what apple tried to do over a year ago, and still hasn't gotten right, but google got it better, day one than apple has after a year"
14:00 < RangerZ> google is a services company, of course its services works better than apple maps... I mean photos
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14:00 < RangerZ> Evilpig: if you use imgur, you'd probably get a lot of upvotes for posting that and the story, b/c honestly, its a good gif, lol
14:00 <@Evilpig> I know google wants all my photos to mine them for data, which I kinda don't like but at the same time.  I'm kinda curious to see what they can do with it
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14:02 <@jb7od> !@#$
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14:02 <@Evilpig> this is a nice feature... "Remove geo location in items shared by link
14:02 <@Evilpig> Affects items shared by link but not by other means"
14:05 < RangerZ> ohh nice, on-the-fly meta data removal via certain sharing mechanisms
14:05 < RangerZ> almost like they want you to provide the meta data to them, and only them ;)
14:06 <@Evilpig> feeding it more data now.  heh
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14:14 < RangerZ> so I've been looking into RSS feeds, and I think I'm going to make a nice RSS Client
14:24 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: it made another...
14:24 <@Evilpig> https://goo.gl/photos/HyB7X5rkh1D93gF86
14:25 < RangerZ> java based, will support plugins (not 100% sure how to implement this yet, few options, need to investigate), will support multiple feeds, be CLI and also android (why i'm going java)
14:25 < RangerZ> I don't see it 'moving'
14:25 <@Evilpig> it made a "stylized photo" this time
14:25 < RangerZ> ahh
14:26 < RangerZ> interesting, I didn't realize i -had- photos
14:26 < RangerZ> also... I took this pic on music row... because I wanted to remind myself it could always be worse.... https://goo.gl/photos/vcSmwzwHfjyL8MFr5
14:27 <@Evilpig> if you have google+ you have photos
14:27 < RangerZ> ohh yeah... https://goo.gl/photos/289ovpMz9o3B5HKd6 this is some BS too
14:28 < RangerZ> fucking wave 4 amiibo allocation at the gamestop across from vandy
14:28 <@Evilpig> I looked all over up here for the splatoon ones 
14:29 <@Evilpig> I wanted them to unlock the extra levels but nooooooo
14:29 < RangerZ> yeah
14:29 < RangerZ> I ended up being first in line, b/c I went before the lab meeting I didn't even want to go to anyways....
14:29 <@Evilpig> i'm hoping once they switch the cards they'll carry more stock
14:30 < RangerZ> ohh whats BS is that the cards are going to be like pokemon
14:30 < RangerZ> RNG
14:30 <@Evilpig> meh
14:30 < RangerZ> I 'get' it
14:30 < RangerZ> but 'ugh' at the same time
14:31 < RangerZ> just thank god they aren't making all 850 pokemon into plastic figures
14:31 <@Evilpig> there's still time
14:31 < RangerZ> ....that we know of... tuesday might have other things to say about that after the nintendo dir
14:31 < RangerZ> ^
14:32 <@Evilpig> my boss is out there for e3
14:34 < RangerZ> nice
14:34 < RangerZ> but honestly, I don't know if I'd even 'want' to be out there anymore
14:35 < RangerZ> too many non-"industry" people, too crowded, etc
14:35 < RangerZ> we get to watch the press conf. from home now
14:35 <@Evilpig> if you have vacation time to blow, it'd be neat to go see all the new shit
14:35 < RangerZ> whats a vacation?
14:35 < RangerZ> I haven't had one of those -really- in something like 10 years
14:35 <@Evilpig> One of those things they give you in corporate america 
14:36 < RangerZ> and I'm NOT kidding
14:36 < RangerZ> I've taken a week off work, to go do work back home, but honestly that was more exhausting than work
14:42 < RangerZ> wow I didn't realize how much of a deal the humble bundle this week was
14:42 < RangerZ> ONE of the games on there MSRP is 30$
15:03 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: that steam trade shit is retarded
15:03 <@Evilpig> does it do that for everything?
15:03 < RangerZ> I don't know
15:03 < RangerZ> first trade I've done in forever
15:06 <@Evilpig> I was gonna try to send you a wallpaper but I can't til next week
15:14 < RangerZ> huh?
15:14 < RangerZ> really?
15:14 < RangerZ> wow... thats fucked up
15:15 <@Evilpig> more google data creations... https://goo.gl/photos/q127dKFBsJV6ck4H6
15:15 <@Evilpig> https://goo.gl/photos/DqpNtk7Z8AhyHxhr7
15:16 <@Evilpig> I am amused at what it's tried to piece together
15:17 < RangerZ> lol
15:17 < RangerZ> you should submit that for mr robot ;)
15:19 <@Evilpig> eh?
15:19 < RangerZ> the new show Mr Robot
15:20 < RangerZ> haven't you seen the pilot?
15:20 < RangerZ> if not, you NEED to grab it and setup your system to get EVERY ep
15:20 <@Evilpig> I have, and I have
15:21  * RangerZ nods approvingly 
15:21 <@Evilpig> they start airing in two weeks
15:21 < RangerZ> yeah
15:21 < RangerZ> I'll be curious to see if they change it at all
15:21 < RangerZ> b/c pilots often get changed heavily
15:21 <@Evilpig> it's getting a good bit of buzz
15:21 < RangerZ> or -used- to at least
15:23 < RangerZ> Evilpig: [ also I need you to rewrite some rules, but don't worry mod_rewrite is working fine, but btw... what is .htaccess? ]
15:23 < RangerZ> hehe... wtf is that about?
15:23 < RangerZ> lol
15:25 <@Evilpig> people needing opendcim support
15:25 <@Evilpig> first few people that tested v4 had issues with shit not working because the api wasn't responding
15:26 <@Evilpig> so I built a check into the installer that would check to make sure mod_rewrite was working for the api to function correctly.  many people are ahving issues and the check stops them cold.
15:26 <@Evilpig> that was one of the few that popped onto irc looking for how to get around the problem and let the upgrade continue
15:27 < RangerZ> lol
15:29 <@Evilpig> that particular clown came on saying how he was running opendcim as an alias but it needs it's own server now because it's gotten too big
15:30 <@Evilpig> he really didn't have a clue at all.  one of the guys in that channel linked him to the .htaccess in github and then a few minutes later he asked what the rewrite rules were
15:31 <@Evilpig> oh and this happened on friday when I went out to dinner.  https://goo.gl/photos/a5zATxdXaVT5ocHU6
15:31 <@Evilpig> I had to take a picture because of the hat...
15:43 < RangerZ> so I've gotten into a FB argument over how "min. wage increase is causing McD's to switch to automation" and I said "umm no... they are switching to automation because it is cheaper than ANY employee because it never sleeps, it never needs a break, etc."
15:43 < RangerZ> and then I pointed to how self-driving cars/trucks are going to do more than ANYTHING to destroy our current economy b/c they will kill most taxi services, truck stops, truck driver jobs, etc.
15:44 < RangerZ> and these two numskulls are like "engineers who went to college have never been around trucks,so they don't know what they are talking about"
15:45 < RangerZ> I literally don't even know what to say to that level of stupidity :/
15:48 < _NSAKEY> Um, you should point out that truckers are now forced to take longer breaks than 10 years ago.
15:49 < _NSAKEY> If a truck can run more or less non-stop (Except for fuel) without a pesky human in the way, that's a huge win for the trucking companies.
15:49 < RangerZ> I think one of them works in the trucking industry, lol
15:49 < RangerZ> which is why he's defensive
15:50 < _NSAKEY> They could still have humans for the little stuff, and that would probably be required.
15:50 < _NSAKEY> But the human could just chill in the sleeper while the truck does all the driving.
15:50 < RangerZ> human will be 'manual labor' most likely
15:50 < RangerZ> also 'prevent someone from stealing the cargo'
15:51 < _NSAKEY> Also, "Work the gas pump."
15:52 < RangerZ> yep
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16:06 < RangerZ> but yeah... I can't 'really' imagine what will happen to the broader economy when semi-trucks are automated
16:06 < RangerZ> most truck stops wither, truckers have to take a pay cut to become the 'manual labor' or lose their jobs, etc
16:26 <@Dagmar> Damnit
16:27 <@Dagmar> THis laptop doesn't have the proper stuff in it for playing Jonathan Strange & Mister Norrell
16:32 <@Dagmar> ...time to cross the fingers and try the netbook.
17:20 < RangerZ> Dagmar: did your desktop die?
17:20 < RangerZ> is that what you meant by your 'dev box' ?
17:21 < RangerZ> Evilpig: autokey-gtk or autokey-qt (just UI differences) + http://pastebin.com/3kFaEPC6 = stupid fast clicks, lol
17:21 < PigBot`> Title: [Python] AutoKey Clickyness - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
17:21 < RangerZ> ~19 count of 20 clicks per second
17:22 < RangerZ> problem is there is NO way to stop a script once it is running... other than to kill the process... so I had fun trying to kill it when I realized I 'durr'd the math and had it running for 20min
17:25 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: steam?
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17:27 < RangerZ> yeah
17:27 < RangerZ> ~800 clicks in ~20 seconds
17:28 < RangerZ> you 'can' actually run the script multiple times if you setup a hotkey to start it
17:28 < RangerZ> I got over 500million from the last boss
17:28 < RangerZ> and then it dropped me back down to like 2 million
17:29 < RangerZ> ....i found the server's authority 'wtf' logic catch-all... lol
17:40 < aestetix> vagina
18:25 <@Dagmar> Bleh.  After nuch fuckery, it appears this will play on my damn PHONE
18:56 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/e3?feature=int-yo-e3-01
19:00 <@Evilpig> that would be a fun game in a group setting
19:46 <@oddball> http://wilwheaton.net/2015/06/yes-we-were-on-opposite-ends-of-the-house/
19:46 < PigBot`> Title: Yes, we were on opposite ends of the house. | WIL WHEATON dot NET (at wilwheaton.net)
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20:55 < RangerZ> Evilpig: splatoon?
20:55 < RangerZ> yeah, I have it, I really like it
20:58 <@Evilpig> I have it.  I've played the single player a bit.  everytime i've tried the online shit it didn't work
20:59 <@Evilpig> the game they were playing when you posted that link was some type of soccer
20:59 <@Evilpig> 3 on 3 fighting over a ball
21:08 < RangerZ> http://www.gamespot.com/e3/bethesda-press-conference-2015/
21:08 < RangerZ> ahh, yeah, that looked interesting too
21:08 < RangerZ> Fallout 4 in ~22min
21:08 < RangerZ> lol
21:09 <@oddball> I've already been told that I'm not allowed to buy that
21:09 < RangerZ> did she say you couldn't "trade" for it?
21:09 < RangerZ> I buy you it, and you buy me something?
21:09 < RangerZ> lol
21:09 <@oddball> ...because Naienko's mother is always bugging her for things to get me for Christmas.
21:09 < RangerZ> ahh
21:09 < RangerZ> sorry, I tried
21:09 < RangerZ> lol
21:10 < RangerZ> I even messaged her telling her about the SOA ps3 game if she wanted to gift it to you,lol
21:10 < RangerZ> which was the reason for the random "you're welcome oddball" last week, lol
21:11 <@oddball> ahhh
21:12 < RangerZ> did that when I learned it wouldn't be coming out on the PS3 in the US
21:12 < RangerZ> only ps4
21:12 < RangerZ> you should by fallout 4 and tell them to buy you a ps4 ;) lol
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23:17 < Warcop> has anyone used star charts and fixed points in space as a cryptography?
23:17 < Warcop> random shit just fell out of my brain
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