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00:39 < RangerZ> so question, what media server protocols exist (and don't suck) other than PLEX?  (key being "doesn't suck" )
00:52 <@jb7od> Since I'm a media server n00b and nobody answered, what sucks about it?
00:54 <@jb7od> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plex_(software) <-wikipedia makes it look sort of stout, minus the "used to be open" bit because
00:54 <@jb7od> I hate it when that happens to projects
01:00 <@jb7od> (ahem) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOSIX#openMosix
01:00 < PigBot`> Title: MOSIX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
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01:01 <@jb7od> How many of you can actually say you got a rude letter from Amnon Barak? lol
01:01 < RangerZ> better question
01:02 < RangerZ> who knows how the hell that is?
01:02 < RangerZ> who&
01:02 < RangerZ> who****
01:02 < RangerZ> the isreali prof?
01:02 <@jb7od> ya
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01:03 <@jb7od> the grid computing guy.
01:03 < RangerZ> WHAT in the world made him write a rude letter?
01:03 < RangerZ> other than you saying you support Iran
01:03 < RangerZ> lol
01:04 <@jb7od> when they started the grid project but hadn't released anything I voluneered to beta and he was like "no."
01:04 < RangerZ> out of the blue?
01:04 <@jb7od> for whatever reason I was really into the idea.
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01:05 < RangerZ> no one is going to let random people beta their program like that
01:05 < RangerZ> ol
01:05 < RangerZ> lol*
01:05 <@jb7od> Oh, I know- but moshe bar would.
01:06 < RangerZ> ehh
01:06 <@jb7od> moshe forked and starved to death, Prof. Barak closed source and survived.
01:07 <@jb7od> It was neat to set up a cluster and see what kinds of jobs would port and what wouldn't and why
01:09 <@jb7od> the grid was way better than the cluster from what they published.
01:10 < RangerZ> ehh
01:10 < RangerZ> so I got an idea, and wondering if others would like it
01:11 < RangerZ> NAS with Android Content Provider access
01:11 < RangerZ> think NAS syncing
01:12 < RangerZ> and also streaming maybe
01:12 < RangerZ> thinking a bunch of cheap android devices throughout the house, that allow you to stream music/video to it
01:15 < RangerZ> thinking of it a neat little app that could be used for good assignments, etc
01:16 < RangerZ> audio/video streaming makes sense
01:16 < RangerZ> and ebook/etc would be better as syncing to the device you are using
01:18 <@jb7od> You could revolutionize the textbook industry and kids could just get an android and pay whoever except Houghton-Mifflin
01:20 < RangerZ> its not really 'revolutionary'
01:20 < RangerZ> the app idea has existed
01:21 < RangerZ> just thinking of making one
01:22 < RangerZ> mainly as a good app that might be interesting set of assignments
01:28 <@jb7od> I daydreamed a weird scenario where all the kids just had an Android device to keep up with instead of a 40lb. backpack with books.
01:29 <@jb7od> First through fourth graders across the country would bless you.
01:31 <@jb7od> A teacher could actually determine if a kid even lOOKed at their work... lol
01:33 < RangerZ> the problem is that book companies made them buy into book "service"
01:34 <@jb7od> exclusively?
01:34 < RangerZ> yeah
01:34 < RangerZ> but I personally can't use e-books for learning
01:34 < RangerZ> so I FULLY understand just buying books
01:35 < RangerZ> plus esp. middle schoolers will break HW
01:35 < RangerZ> etc
01:35 <@jb7od> HAHA! Point taken about breaking Hw
01:35 < RangerZ> BUT
01:35 < RangerZ> a nexus 7 is cheaper than most text books
01:35 < RangerZ> .... so....
01:36 <@jb7od> There's the trees to consider! lol
01:36 < aestetix> I imagine middle schoolers use their android/ipads for porn
01:36 <@jb7od> they already do.
01:36 < aestetix> I mean if I were like 12 and had an ipad that is what I would do
01:36 < RangerZ> there is also the slave labor in africa used to mine the rare minerals too
01:36 <@jb7od> retracted. i hallucinated the word would in that sentence.
01:37 <@jb7od> even the slaves need the trees... trees > slaves.
01:37 < aestetix> I wonder if you could make a porn app that would teach middle schoolers math or something
01:37 <@jb7od> HAHAHA
01:37 <@jb7od> like do a problem... BAM!
01:37 < RangerZ> aestetix: there is a Youtube Channel about that
01:37 < RangerZ> to teach computer topics
01:38 <@jb7od> TIDDAYS!
01:38 <@jb7od> lol
01:38 < RangerZ> but its just hotties , no nudity
01:38 < RangerZ> lol
01:38 < aestetix> you could teach things like the radius of a circle with boobies
01:38 <@jb7od> man- no for real- there's a definite demographic for the panty ads.
01:40 < aestetix> you could use boobies in water to teach about archimedes
01:40 < aestetix> physics too
01:41 < aestetix> and explain gravity by way of balls dropping
01:42 <@jb7od> I seriously wonder what would happen to the grades... lol
01:43 <@jb7od> the problem is "attention"
01:44 < aestetix> that's easy.
01:44 < aestetix> get halfway through a porn clip, and then pause it and make them solve a math problem to watch the rest
01:44 <@jb7od> oh i meant with school as it is today-
01:46 <@jb7od> More kids have ADD than do teachers admit material is boring as hell.
01:48 < aestetix> I mean what percentage of a day does a typical teenagerspend masturbating?
01:48 <@Dagmar> Holy long are they typically awake?
01:50 <@Dagmar> er How
01:56 < aestetix> Evilpig: https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/392ssh/tumblr_cosplay/
01:56 < PigBot`> Title: Tumblr Cosplay : pics (at www.reddit.com)
02:04 <@Dagmar> *boggle* http://imgur.com/r/TumblrInAction/vDuH5VM
02:04 < PigBot`> Title: Tumblr user asks for pomegranates to be tagged as gore - Imgur (at imgur.com)
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02:08 < aestetix> Does that mean I can take RangerZ as gore?
02:09 < RangerZ> aestetix: only on your own personal tumblr account
02:09 < RangerZ> that links to your facebook account
02:10 < aestetix> RangerZ: I find that comment offensive. Use a [tw: facebook] next time
02:10 < RangerZ> Taiwan: facebook ?
02:10 < RangerZ> thats an odd tag
02:10 < aestetix> TWIGGER WARNING
02:11 < aestetix> er, trigger
02:11 < aestetix> Also, whenever Shadow404 said something, we need a [tw: butt play] warning
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02:53 < _NSAKEY> And whenever you type something, we need [tw: asshat] to scroll by in rainbow text.
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03:17 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: we asked Twitter about that feature
03:17 < RangerZ> something about unicode and HTML making it go over 140 ascii char
03:18 < RangerZ> lol
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07:19 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:19 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: I already have it
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08:34 < Synx|hm> morning peeps
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09:10 < Synx|hm> anybody ever seen a seller write in a specific list of lendors a buyer must choose from into a contract?
09:10 < Synx|hm> seems less that legit, though they asked my buyer agent for 3 and they provided 3 of their own, they are trying to force me to use a local nashville lendor
09:11 <@Dagmar> Not kosher
09:11 < Synx|hm> what i thought however the seller agent is a lawyer so i figured he would know if it wasn't legit
09:11 < Synx|hm> im trying to drum up the tn code now, or perhaps its federal?
09:31 <@jb7od> <Synx|hm>: I think that depends on the "type" of loan but I don't know enough to be helpful. Any realtor would know.
09:31 < Synx|hm> s/would know/should know/
09:31 < Synx|hm> ;)
09:31 < Synx|hm> as mine appantly does not
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10:46 <@oddball> Synx|hm: My advice is that if you're not comfortable with it, tell them to fuck off.
10:46 <@oddball> They can either accept that you're using your own lender, or find a new buyer.
10:46 < Synx|hm> ya i already countered without that clause in it
10:47 < Synx|hm> now on to my next problem, im on business trip next week and if they sign tonight i wont be able to do the home inspection with an inspector
10:47 < Synx|hm> fml
10:47 <@oddball> And, well... I would think that it would be them refusing to business with you, so you might be able to get any honest money + inspection fees + etc back.
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11:27 <@Evilpig> http://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/392ssh/tumblr_cosplay/
11:27 < PigBot`> Title: Tumblr Cosplay : pics (at www.reddit.com)
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12:36 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: the seller can put any stipulation on the contract they want, doesn't mean you have to buy the property, the local lender thing is probably so that they can get their money faster, b/c out of state transactions have to be held , etc.
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13:20 < RangerZ> which to me is an indicator they want the sale bad/quick
13:23 < Synx|hm> well thats what i had thought at first, then they countered with a later closing date
13:23 < Synx|hm> so im all confused
13:23 < Synx|hm> im really confused about the lead issue man
13:23 < Synx|hm> its a 1972 house, some places i have called said 2 in 6 will have it of that time period, others have said just assume it has it even if you do xray testing
13:24 < Synx|hm> i dont want to pay for xrf+home inspection (about 1K) and walk away from the purchase
13:29 < aestetix> http://grimremastered.com/
13:29 < PigBot`> Title: Grim Fandango Remastered (at grimremastered.com)
13:29 < aestetix> fuck yes
13:31 < aestetix> also if you want to feel old
13:31 < aestetix> https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/395il3/whats_your_favorite_old_game/
13:31 < PigBot`> Title: What's your favorite old game? : AskReddit (at www.reddit.com)
14:34 <@sasquatc4> if you really want that grim remastered its on sale on gog right now for 8.99
14:35 <@sasquatc4> http://www.gog.com/game/grim_fandango_remastered
14:35 < PigBot`> Title: Grim Fandango Remastered ● GOG.com (at www.gog.com)
14:40 < RangerZ> yeah
14:46 < aestetix> sasquatc4: I actually plan to buy it for my ipad
14:46 < aestetix> although I have to delete another adventure game that is also taking up 3 gigs of space :p
15:00 < aestetix> RangerZ: https://i.imgur.com/uQOMmqB.jpg
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16:09 < RangerZ> https://readplaintext.com/snowden-leaks-confirm-cisa-is-a-surveillance-bill-1e21a76abbab
16:09 < PigBot`> Title: Snowden leaks confirm: CISA is a surveillance bill — Plain Text — Medium (at readplaintext.com)
16:17 < aestetix> well duh
16:21 < Synx|hm> RangerZ: i saw a interactive map (via google maps api) of deployed fiber around nashville
16:21 < Synx|hm> now i cant find the f'ing thing
16:22 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: not like it matters to you
16:22 < RangerZ> not like you're looking to move
16:22 < RangerZ> or anything ;)
16:22 < RangerZ> lol
16:22 < Synx|hm> hah
16:23 < RangerZ> right now, its only going in, in the gultch
16:23 < RangerZ> which we can't afford to _visit_ let alone buy housing there
16:23 < RangerZ> lol
16:23 < RangerZ> they are still being cagey about where ALL it will go
16:24 < aestetix> galt's gulch?
16:24 < Synx|hm> well broadbandmap.gov/technology shows deployed fiber where i just signed a contract however i cant find a provider who says they have it
16:24 < RangerZ> https://www.google.com/maps/place/The+Gulch,+Nashville,+TN+37203/@36.1532875,-86.7821323,16z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m2!3m1!1s0x8864668a8cd1d3e9:0xcf0331e4addba097
16:24 < RangerZ> ohh Synx|hm, "deployed fiber" doesn't mean YOU CAN USE IT
16:25 < Synx|hm> i mean to say "fiber to the home" as listed on broadbandmaps.gov
16:25 < RangerZ> yeah, don't bother with that
16:25 < Synx|hm> :(
16:25 < RangerZ> b/c thats  AT&T's definition of 'fiber'
16:25 < RangerZ> several hundred/thousand connection fee, and hundreds a month in service fees
16:25 < Synx|hm> oh it also might be level 3
16:25 < Synx|hm> lol
16:26 < Synx|hm> not going to pay level 3 to service me i dont think
16:26 < RangerZ> yeah
16:26 < RangerZ> no...
16:26 <@oddball> Jesus Christ.  Apparently the government is thinking about "reinterpreting" ITAR...  You know... that law that they tried to use to shut down PGP in the 90's?
16:26 < RangerZ> aestetix: "the gultch" is a few city blocks in downtown nashville, nashville likes to subdivide its city into dozens of little areas
16:26 < Synx|hm> its a att area and they dont have gigapower listed there only slow dls of some sort
16:26 < RangerZ> oddball: thats a good thing
16:26 < Synx|hm> looks like im stuck with comcast fml
16:27 <@oddball> RangerZ: No... not the way they want to change it.
16:27 < RangerZ> oddball: ITAR has always needed re evaluated
16:27 < RangerZ> ok?
16:27 < RangerZ> I saw like 2 years ago a plan that made a lot of sense
16:27 < RangerZ> :/
16:27 <@oddball> They're looking at making it illegal to post technical data about guns on the internet without state approval first.
16:28 <@oddball> Possibly including "this gun is chambered in 9mm."
16:29 < Synx|hm> for shits, what do you think l3 would charge to bring fiber to a home?
16:29 < Synx|hm> or would they even consider it
16:29 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: 5k IIRC
16:29 < RangerZ> and then 1k/mo
16:29 <@oddball> I'm guessing that this is aimed at trying to shut down sites with plans for 3d printed guns, but....
16:29 < RangerZ> and thats only like 300mb/300mb
16:29 < Synx|hm> holy shit, how can they get away with that compared to other fiber, you paying for the SLA?
16:29 < Synx|hm> oh damn
16:29 < RangerZ> oddball: thats not that big a deal
16:29 < RangerZ> its just the way ITAR works
16:30 < RangerZ> look at putty's website
16:30 < RangerZ> it says "don't download this if you aren't in the US/UK/etc"
16:30 < RangerZ> same with info on guns
16:30 <@oddball> RangerZ: To put it another way, that gun blog that I write for?  Yeah... their trying to make that illegal.
16:30 <@oddball> Has that actually been tested?
16:30 < RangerZ> yes
16:31 <@oddball> OH really?
16:31 < RangerZ> Vandy lawyers approved similar stuff
16:31 < RangerZ> oddball: I don't know, I'll have to read it, but if they are now including 'info about guns' as ITAR, then all you have to do is not let Iran/N.Korea/etc (but cuba is now fine) from visiting your site
16:31 < RangerZ> and when I say NOTHING, i mean... don't answer "what page is that located on" levels of questions
16:32 <@Dagmar> I don't think ITAR has much interest in comsumer-level personal weapon gossip, personally
16:32 < RangerZ> you haven't sat through ITAR training.... lol... its such bs
16:32 < RangerZ> cotton swabs are ITAR
16:32 < RangerZ> b/c they have dual use, and can be used for military hospitals
16:32 <@oddball> Dagmar: It shouldn't, but I'd rather not have something I do become "it's illegal, but no one cares."
16:33 <@Dagmar> There's also the matter of whether or not the information is already "widely available"
16:33 < RangerZ> oddball: I wouldn't worry too much about it, and wait for it to be passed, b/c ITAR isn't AS BIG a deal as it sounds, as long as you take some common sense preventative measures
16:34 <@Dagmar> The existance of how many rounds fit in the standard clip of the typical glock... pretty widely available
16:34 < RangerZ> oddball: you'll probably want a legalese disclaimer saying "no one from X, Y,Z countries can use this site"
16:34 < RangerZ> and if anyone ever says they are, just insta ban them
16:35 <@Dagmar> You could also make then click a button that syas they're not and use the special PINKY_SWEAR cookie
16:35 <@Dagmar> ;)
16:35 < RangerZ> yep
16:36 < RangerZ> also, don't take copies of any tech info over-sees
16:36 <@oddball> And add "are you 18?" while we're at it? :p
16:36 < RangerZ> seas*
16:52 < v4mp> is this real ?  http://pastebin.com/1WZGqrUH
16:52 < PigBot`> Title: Locker database release - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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16:55 < v4mp> it also seems as though FireEye updated their database
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16:56 < v4mp> they used to possess a partial database of keys
16:56 < v4mp> but now apparently they have all the keys as well.. maybe from this dump?
16:58 < v4mp> if it's true, I don't understand the architecture of this program
16:58 < v4mp> why would there be a pre-computed key list
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16:59 < v4mp> key exchange should have happened as soon as an infected key was on the network, then wiped from malicious live server after expiration of random time.... why keep a database of them, let alone a pre-computed one
17:03 < RangerZ1> v4mp: apparently so
17:03 < RangerZ1> I saw something about it, saying that they posted the unlock keys after appologizing
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17:04 < RangerZ1> don't know if _THIS_ is the real post, but looks it
17:04 < v4mp> it's crazy !
17:04 < v4mp> well... wonder what their motivation is
17:04 < v4mp> but like, aside from that... I'm still pretty blown away by the usage of precomputed keys
17:04 < v4mp> it seems like a massive flaw, unless this was their intention to release them at the end all along
17:05 < RangerZ1> i read somewhere that it wasn't suppose to hit 'normal people', but it was a targeted attack, that leaked
17:05 < RangerZ1> no, it makes a lot of sense, to use precomputed keys
17:05 < RangerZ1> that way you know for SURE which key was used to encrypt/ needed for decrypt
17:06 < RangerZ1> thats why its a DB of keys
17:06 < RangerZ1> and not a SINGLE key , for all installs
17:06 < v4mp> but
17:06 < v4mp> well, first of all, interesting on what you heard about the target
17:06 < v4mp> so
17:06 < v4mp> as to the second point
17:07 < RangerZ1> nothing, I saw the article, skimmed it, and didn't really care that much
17:07 < RangerZ1> lol
17:07 < v4mp> I'm not saying having a single key, I'm saying have each machine that's hit generate a new keypair
17:07 < v4mp> like, this way if the database of keys gets "pwned"
17:07 < v4mp> then.. well, there really isn't a database
17:07 < RangerZ1> if you generate the key on the machine, there is a chance of it leaking
17:07 < v4mp> at least not a live one
17:07 < v4mp> well
17:07 < RangerZ1> not 'likely'
17:07 < RangerZ1> plus also you can generate keys that are secure
17:07 < v4mp> by the same token, if your IDS is working properly, the efil would never happen anyway
17:07 < v4mp> *exfil
17:07 < RangerZ1> b/c non-secure keys might be easily cracked
17:08 < v4mp> at any point of this program's operation, there has to be some transmission with the server
17:08 < RangerZ1> and why not just download a key to use?
17:08 < RangerZ1> why waste time/space/etc putting the key gen into the payload
17:09 < v4mp> OK
17:09 < v4mp> I see your point
17:09 < v4mp> so, ok -- key pairs generated on server
17:09 < v4mp> but then
17:09 < v4mp> why not wipe inactive ones from the server and keep a backup db somewhere AHHHH ok so this is the "backup" list or whatever
17:09 < v4mp> that was released
17:09 < v4mp> OK awesome
17:09 < v4mp> thank you.. long day and I did not understand, but now I do
17:13 < RangerZ1> np
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18:36 < RangerZ1> off to nlug, later
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20:06 < v4mp> l8a
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23:18 < Synx|hm> i think im going to swap out every bulb in each fixture for different color temp in this rental
23:18 < Synx|hm> the fucking landlord has been a monster prick
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23:27 <@RangerZ> don't bother
23:27 <@RangerZ> you'll just be bothering the new renter
23:28 <@RangerZ> call BBB
23:28 <@RangerZ> that'll hurt him more
23:34 <@jb7od> The worst landlord I ever had gave us 30 days notice in November to vacate because we had a 6 month old baby.
23:34 <@jb7od> They ruin houses, ya know.
23:35 <@oddball> hahahahahaha.... someone on the facebooks just told me that companies, in general, will always be running the latest and greatest versions of software.  Especially when it comes to servers.
23:35 <@jb7od> do w0t? errr....
23:36 <@jb7od> I'd be shocked if TSC has made it off of NT yet...
23:37 <@jb7od> fiber to frame relay!
23:37 <@jb7od> lol
23:37 <@oddball> It would be nice to live in this magical fairyland that this guy lives in.
23:38 <@oddball> I've had to support sites where we finally had to threaten dropping all support for them to upgrade... because they were *several* versions behind.
23:40 <@jb7od> I've had to support lots of sites that should have been dropped and had to live that lie anyway.
23:41 <@jb7od> hidden domains in wifi subnets
23:42 <@oddball> "uh... we no longer have anyone that knows how to support that version of our software..."
23:44 <@jb7od> ISA cards in janky pbxs.
23:44 <@jb7od> and the inherent fear of thunderstorms therefore.
23:44 <@oddball> In fact, this was supporting pbx software.
23:46 <@jb7od> Commercial environments are like that. "Too important to turn off".
23:47 <@jb7od> This is the petri dish from which stuxnet sprang. lol
23:51 < _NSAKEY> v4mp: I've wondered if the Locker thing was due to a split between behind-the-scenes personalities.
23:51 < _NSAKEY> As in, Bob wants to infect everyone, while Alice doesn't.
23:51 < _NSAKEY> So to screw Bob over, Alice dumps the db and walks away.
23:52 <@oddball> jb7od: That and "upgrading costs money."
23:53 <@oddball> Of course, there's also the semi-legit excuse of "we've got this custom software that won't run on the new OS."
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23:53 < _NSAKEY> oddball: Didn't at least some of that sort of thing (3D printed gun designs) move to darknets?
23:54 <@RangerZ> ok... so .... https://news.yahoo.com/obscure-ohio-law-invoked-in-call-for-murder-charges-in-tamir-rice-case-213241977.html
23:54 < PigBot`> Title: Obscure Ohio law invoked in call for murder charges in Tamir Rice case (at news.yahoo.com)
23:54 <@RangerZ> apparently in ohio... you can BYPASS the DA
23:54 <@RangerZ> and force an arrest
23:55 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: Oh, I'm sure there a good bit of activity with 3D printed guns on the darknets.
23:55 <@RangerZ> "to a judge to ask for murder charges and arrest warrants."
23:55 < _NSAKEY> If not, then there probably needs to be.
23:55 <@oddball> There's also a rather large amount available that Google searches will bring up for you.
23:55 < _NSAKEY> I'm all for things like the Liberator being used in repressive countries.
23:56 < _NSAKEY> Like, places where citizens might need a one-shot gun to surprise-murder someone with a better gun, so they can do some real fighting, in a country whose government actually deserves that sort of treatment.
23:56 <@oddball> There's also those guys that are selling a CNC machine with the plans for an AR lower already programed in.  Just add a block of aluminum and push the button.
23:56 < _NSAKEY> (In case anyone is wondering, I'm generally referring to places that arbitrarily block big sites.)
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23:57 <@oddball> Yeah... the Liberator 3D printed gun was intentionally named after the stamped metal piece of shit we dropped into France during WWII.
23:59 < _NSAKEY> Yup.
23:59 < _NSAKEY> I watched the video of that guy talking rather rapidly about it.
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