--- Log opened Wed Jun 03 00:00:06 2015 00:00 < RangerZ> well "groups" at least 00:22 <@Dagmar> Actually... 00:22 <@Dagmar> It's looking like the phone integration on the G910 is courtesy of some sofwtare they have called Arx 00:22 <@Dagmar> ...which I might be able to use with _this_ keyboard 00:31 <@Dagmar> OH MOTHER OF GOD 00:31 <@Dagmar> Logitech Arx works over the _network_ 00:38 <@Dagmar> I look forward to carefully scrutinizing it's protocols. 00:38 <@Dagmar> :) 00:39 -!- [trip] [~trip@c-98-192-76-188.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 00:39 -!- [trip] [~trip@c-98-192-76-188.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has left #se2600 [] 00:39 <@Dagmar> Pardon me while I quickly download Wireshark 00:49 <@Dagmar> OMG 00:49 <@Dagmar> PLAINTEXT 00:49 <@Dagmar> *facepalm* 00:51 < RangerZ> lol 00:51 < RangerZ> for a KEYBOARD? 00:51 < RangerZ> hahahahhahahahahahaha 00:52 < RangerZ> *catches breathe* 00:52 < RangerZ> HAHAHAHAHAHA 00:53 <@Dagmar> Oh my shit 00:55 < RangerZ> i don't see it saying it has a wifi card 00:56 < RangerZ> http://gaming.logitech.com/en-us/product/rgb-gaming-keyboard-g910 ? 00:56 < PigBot`> Title: Orion Spark G910-Mechanical-Keyboard-Logitech (at gaming.logitech.com) 00:56 <@Dagmar> It doesn't. 00:56 <@Dagmar> It talks over the LAN using TCP after an mDNS query 00:57 <@Dagmar> Muahahahahah 00:57 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Just in time. wireshark had a bug fix that went out recently. 00:57 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: Dude 00:57 <@Dagmar> You can launch apps on the PC with this thing 00:57 < _NSAKEY> Package : wireshark 00:57 < _NSAKEY> CVE ID : CVE-2015-3809 CVE-2015-3810 CVE-2015-3811 CVE-2015-3812 CVE-2015-3813 CVE-2015-3814 CVE-2015-3815 00:57 < _NSAKEY> Multiple vulnerabilities were discovered in the dissectors/parsers for 00:57 < _NSAKEY> LBMR, web sockets, WCP, X11, IEEE 802.11 and Android Logcat, which could 00:57 < _NSAKEY> result in denial of service. 00:57 < _NSAKEY> But back to the problem at hand... 00:58 <@Dagmar> Yes, well, that doesn't bear on the fact that if I can get on the same network as a user with this... 00:58 < _NSAKEY> ... Why does anything new use plaintext? 00:58 <@Dagmar> You can do _some shit_ with this ARX app 00:58 <@Dagmar> The app let me launch WOW 00:58 <@Dagmar> ...and I might be able to edit key bindings 00:58 <@Dagmar> ...like _for the keybaord_ 00:58 <@Dagmar> epic luls 01:04 < RangerZ> oh shit 01:04 < RangerZ> ALL applications will have Internet access in Android M 01:04 < RangerZ> thats no longer a 'permission' 01:08 < RangerZ> because all "ad driven software require Internet" but if you could revoke that permission you'd never turn it on 01:08 < RangerZ> is my guess 01:19 < aestetix> http://sanfrancisco.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?publish_id=6 01:19 < PigBot`> Title: SFGovTV LIVE! (at sanfrancisco.granicus.com) 01:27 <@Evilpig> this load for any of y'all? https://www.dropbox.com/home/Camera%20Uploads?preview=2015-06-03+01.24.41.mp4 01:59 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-83-122-192.bhm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 01:59 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 02:04 <@Catonic> https://www.youtube.com/v/qkz7tSbGDAM 02:08 <@Dagmar> evilpig; I just get the Dropbox login page 02:13 <@Dagmar> New record set 02:13 <@Dagmar> I've only been watching this guy's LP for 1m 37s and I'm already hoping he dies 02:13 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm not talking about the game 02:14 <@Catonic> .... lol 02:14 < RangerZ> Evilpig: folder "(mobile or something) uploads doesn't exit" 02:14 < RangerZ> exist* 02:15 <@Dagmar> Lego Worlds looks pretty slick tho 02:25 <@Dagmar> just to check... They don't let you make a kickstarter to get rid of Youtube people do they 02:43 <@Dagmar> Least annoying so far https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaQNzLngMKM 02:46 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-83-122-192.bhm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:09 < RangerZ> nope, he needs killed 03:10 < RangerZ> first 15 seconds, and he already has to be demoted to MySpace 03:15 < RangerZ> maybe friendster 03:15 <@Dagmar> I said _least_ annoying 03:15 <@Dagmar> Some of these guys I think would get an employer a few tax credits 03:28 < RangerZ> hahaha 03:28 < RangerZ> so GameStop bought ThinkGeek 03:29 < RangerZ> I thought HotTopic was a weird choice... then GameStop makes less 03:29 < RangerZ> lol 04:51 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-71-68-179.bhm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 04:51 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 06:13 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 06:32 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@pool-96-233-107-211.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #se2600 06:32 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@pool-96-233-107-211.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 06:32 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 06:32 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 06:56 -!- Mirage [~mirage@static-173-57-28-51.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:06 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 07:07 -!- Mirage [~mirage@static-173-57-28-51.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #se2600 07:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Mirage] by ChanServ 07:10 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@pool-96-233-107-211.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #se2600 07:10 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@pool-96-233-107-211.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 07:10 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 07:10 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 07:20 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 08:34 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@hq.tripadvisor.com] has joined #se2600 08:34 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@hq.tripadvisor.com] has quit [Changing host] 08:34 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 08:34 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 08:51 -!- crashcart [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uyhrfsezqhxezwhd] has joined #se2600 09:07 < Synx|hm> hockey hockey hockey hockey 09:29 <@Dickie> mushroom mushroom 09:30 <@Evilpig> badger badger badger 09:42 < Synx|hm> ha 10:04 < Synx|hm> irccloud eh 10:04 < Synx|hm> sounds neat 10:08 <@Evilpig> she's totally not reading 10:22 -!- Synx|hm [~Synx@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:26 -!- Synx|hm [~Synx@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has joined #se2600 10:37 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 10:41 <@Evilpig> https://www.facebook.com/bobby.tables.96 10:41 < PigBot`> Title: Bobby Tables (at www.facebook.com) 10:48 <@Dagmar> Well, it looks like the reveal is Fallout 4 10:56 <@Evilpig> and nobody is surprised 11:47 <@oddball> Your daily dose of what the fuck: https://www.facebook.com/NBCNews/videos/1097792110240818/?fref=nf 11:47 < PigBot`> Title: Comments (at www.facebook.com) 11:51 <@Mirage> oddball: yeah, that qualifies 11:52 <@oddball> I love how the guy apparently decides to get back in to the car that just burst into flames. 11:54 <@oddball> Evilpig: That doesn't mean we're not excited about it. 12:03 < _NSAKEY> oddball: That guy deserved to burn. 12:03 < _NSAKEY> He looked free and clear until he tried getting back inside. 12:06 <@oddball> yep 12:07 < _NSAKEY> That guy must really hate police. 12:08 < _NSAKEY> oddball: Are you going to Friday's meeting? 12:08 <@oddball> I'll be in Michigan for a wedding. 12:09 <@oddball> I need to get with Elonka to see when I can stop by and pick up the projector. 12:09 < _NSAKEY> I've been feeling sick this week (Sore throat), so my attendance hinges on that clearing up. 12:09 <@oddball> Sorry to hear that. 12:10 < _NSAKEY> It's not nearly as bad as it could be. 12:14 <@Evilpig> I already got my daily dose of wtf. I got a virgil link this morning 12:14 < _NSAKEY> A virgil link? 12:15 < _NSAKEY> Is that worse than an aestetix link? 12:18 <@Evilpig> virgil links predate aestetix links 12:19 <@Evilpig> they are generally wtf 12:20 <@Evilpig> this... is a virgil link. http://ebompraquemgosta.tumblr.com/post/120438091564/transbodypride-rockin-out 12:20 < PigBot`> Title: it's good if you like it // transbodypride: Rockin’ out. (at ebompraquemgosta.tumblr.com) 12:21 <@Evilpig> NSFW like I even have to say that 12:27 <@Evilpig> lol http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/ 12:27 < PigBot`> Title: Ctrl+Alt+Del - The Gatekeeper (2015-06-03) (at www.cad-comic.com) 12:31 -!- RangerZ [~mike@DHCP-129-59-122-60.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has joined #se2600 12:38 < aestetix> hi everyone! 12:57 -!- Neoteric [~timball@coronal-mass-ejection.sunlightfoundation.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:00 -!- Neoteric [~timball@coronal-mass-ejection.sunlightfoundation.com] has joined #se2600 13:15 <@Evilpig> coworker says he wants to see me smile. I, obviously, just scowled at him in my usual fashion 13:15 <@Evilpig> he insisted so I asked if he was sure he wanted to see that. he said yes, so I showed him tubgirl. he gave me the finger, I smiled 13:29 <@Mirage> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/06/hunt-for-the-rogue-pooper-company-demands-dna-swabs-employees-sue/ 13:29 < PigBot`> Title: Hunt for the rogue pooper—company demands DNA swabs, employees sue | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com) 13:30 < RangerZ> Mirage: the fucking call center I worked at had something like that 13:30 < RangerZ> someone took a #2 in the bathroom that was still under construction in the expansion (i'm thinking it was a construction worker) 13:30 < RangerZ> and the owner was fucking pissed, kept talking about it for weeks 13:31 < RangerZ> (obviously the water to the toilet wasn't 'on' yet) 13:31 <@oddball> Evilpig: Better than a photographer who once told me that I looked angry/scary and I should smile. I did, and she immediately said "oh god! that's worse!" 13:47 < RangerZ> http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2015/06/02/the-supreme-court-just-made-the-web-even-more-hostile-for-women/ 13:47 < PigBot`> Title: The Supreme Court just made the Web even more hostile for women - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com) 13:49 < RangerZ> I dunno, I think it brings some sanity to some laws actually, will it have SOME adverse reactions, yes, but you say or do something, and someone ELSE says they feel threatened by it, it should be up to the judge or jury to decide if you meant it in a threatening way, meant to harass them, or if they just took it too hardly 13:49 < RangerZ> not an 'automatic' some other person felt what you did was bad, so therefore it was bad 13:49 < RangerZ> the PROBLEM with this is -really- the stalking laws in several states are based off the same logic 13:50 < RangerZ> so this makes me think that there needs to be a better 'rationale' for the laws 13:50 < RangerZ> such as "behavior, actions, words, writings, etc. that a "normal person" would feel threatened by" 13:51 < RangerZ> not ONLY the person in general 13:51 < RangerZ> I think that would draw a better balance in the law between common sense, and legalities 13:52 < RangerZ> b/c I'm pretty sure Eminem (sp?) has talked about shooting/beating his ex wife/her new boyfriend 13:52 < RangerZ> or 'wanting' to 14:11 <@Dagmar> It's cool how the firmware update for my 3DS has apparently made it unable to read my SDCard 14:12 < RangerZ> 'nice' 14:12 < RangerZ> http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32990725 14:12 < PigBot`> Title: Skype falls victim to text chat bug - BBC News (at www.bbc.com) 14:12 <@Evilpig> there is no room for common sense in the law 14:12 <@Evilpig> people like my coworker/underling has none 14:13 <@Mirage> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHm34jVpeIo 14:13 <@Mirage> "Joe Dirt 2: Beautiful Loser Official Trailer" 14:14 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: LOLOLOLOL '"Clearing chat history [does] not help, because when Skype downloads chat history from server, it will crash again," wrote a person nicknamed Giperion.' 14:14 < RangerZ> yep 14:19 <@Mirage> They're remaking "Point Break"..wtf 14:22 <@brimstone> BEST NEWS ALL WEEK 15:00 < RangerZ> Mirage: yep, next will be when they remake Godfather 15:00 < RangerZ> ;) 15:16 < RangerZ> http://it.slashdot.org/story/15/06/03/126224/nmap-maintainer-warns-he-doesnt-control-nmap-sourceforge-mirror 15:16 < PigBot`> Title: nmap Maintainer Warns He Doesn't Control nmap SourceForge Mirror - Slashdot (at it.slashdot.org) 15:16 < RangerZ> THIS is some BS 15:26 <@Mirage> This trailer looks mildly interesting.. at least I like the cast members.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReshIMrNt6o 15:45 < RangerZ> ohhh.... THIS is funny 15:46 < RangerZ> the 'bad string' in skype 15:46 < RangerZ> is [http://] 15:46 < RangerZ> http://it.slashdot.org/story/15/06/03/1237208/typing-http-into-a-skype-message-trashes-the-installation-beyond-repair 15:46 < PigBot`> Title: Typing 'http://:' Into a Skype Message Trashes the Installation Beyond Repair - Slashdot (at it.slashdot.org) 15:47 <@Evilpig> is that the magic string? really?! 15:56 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/yccemzkvf9kz2j1/Screen%20Shot%202015-06-03%20at%203.56.04%20PM.png?dl=0 16:08 <@Evilpig> https://www.tumblr.com/tv 16:08 <@Evilpig> does that work for anyone else? 16:09 <@Evilpig> nm. I should have tested on my logged out session 16:11 <@Mirage> gah..Ben Afleck as Batman 16:11 <@Mirage> Granted I don't he could do much worse than Val Kilmer 16:11 <@Mirage> don't ^think 16:13 <@Evilpig> I just confirmed the skype bug 16:13 <@Evilpig> I have a friend that is very unhappy right now 16:14 <@Mirage> NL? 16:15 <@Evilpig> flames 16:20 -!- bentheme1 [~benthemee@c-98-211-6-177.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 16:26 -!- Synx|hm [~Synx@unaffiliated/synx-hm/x-1623004] has quit [Quit: leaving] 16:49 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Yet another reason nobody should install skype, ever. 16:49 < RangerZ> problem is, that its what everyone uses 16:50 < RangerZ> my FB interview was over skype, for gods sake 16:50 < RangerZ> mind you it was a head hunter, when I was about to graduate undergrad, but still 16:55 < RangerZ> I completely agree, I wish a new chat client would come out 16:55 < RangerZ> or.... bring back (in the USA) Windows Live Messanger 16:55 < RangerZ> surprisingly it was pretty decent 16:56 < RangerZ> (still in use in S.Korea, but thats b/c you _NEED_ it to do government business...yeah... thats odd, but w/e) 17:04 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: It makes me wonder if voice/video chat over XMPP is any good. 17:05 < _NSAKEY> Guessing not. 17:08 < RangerZ> I'm going to have to guess 'no' too 17:08 < RangerZ> otherwise it would have been picked up and used more 17:09 < _NSAKEY> XMPP got used some more for chats until Google decided to intentionally break Google Talk. 17:10 < RangerZ> thats not 'quite' true 17:11 < RangerZ> google disabled the federation 17:11 < RangerZ> not xmpp 17:11 < RangerZ> b/c federated servers don't really make sense, b/c thats what spammers were using 17:11 < _NSAKEY> The federation got gimped somewhat as well, by the push to encrypt server to server connections by other servers. 17:11 < _NSAKEY> Federation is the main reason to use XMPP, in my opinion. 17:12 < RangerZ> nah 17:12 < _NSAKEY> More communications should be decentralized. 17:12 < RangerZ> not in mine at all 17:12 < RangerZ> federation != decentralization 17:12 < _NSAKEY> I've been using XMPP exclusively for around 4 years, and have never gotten spam. 17:12 < _NSAKEY> I'm more likely to get PM spam on freenode than I am by using any XMPP server. 17:13 < _NSAKEY> That's just experience talking. 17:13 < RangerZ> sure, but you aren't putting your name out there, etc 17:13 < RangerZ> people who have public profiles who had public stuff, got spam via that route 17:13 < _NSAKEY> Why would that influence anything? 17:13 < _NSAKEY> I've freely given my XMPP handle out and nothing's happened yet. 17:14 < RangerZ> "public" profiles ;) 17:14 < RangerZ> but seriously, XMPP's biggest benefit is just the standardization around it 17:15 < _NSAKEY> I think it's doomed to die because the protocol's never been updated for mobile use. 17:15 < _NSAKEY> All these companies use it on the back end, but they change it to be mobile-friendly and then never share that work back. 17:16 < RangerZ> its biggest problem is that it is XML 17:16 < RangerZ> and XML as a whole has fallen out of favor 17:16 < _NSAKEY> Did I show you the slides I'm doing at NLUG next week? 17:17 < RangerZ> no 17:17 < RangerZ> -In-band binary data transfer is limited- Binary data must be first base64 encoded before it can be transmitted in-band. Therefore any significant amount of binary data (e.g., file transfers) is best transmittedout-of-band, using in-band messages to coordinate.  17:18 < RangerZ> thats why voice/video doesn't work well, b/c at most you can setup XMPP to be the handshaking protocol for audio/video 17:18 < _NSAKEY> Not surprised that it would suck. 17:18 < _NSAKEY> It's never been part of my IMing use case, so I've never bothered researching it. 17:19 -!- bentheme1 [~benthemee@c-98-211-6-177.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 17:22 < RangerZ> looks like ejabberd supports OOB data 17:22 < RangerZ> thats probably the best one to do audio/video over then 17:24 < _NSAKEY> ejabberd devs are borderline retarded about their stance on storing user passwords. 17:24 < _NSAKEY> That's the only reason I use prosody. 17:32 -!- RangerZ [~mike@DHCP-129-59-122-60.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:09 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:46 -!- RangerZ [~mike@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 18:55 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jingle_(protocol) 18:55 < RangerZ> apparently this is the 'draft' protocol for VOIP/videoOIP 19:03 <@Evilpig> I need to root this phone soon 19:11 <@Evilpig> this .... is bullshit. https://www.dropbox.com/s/8hws7rwu4gn05wd/2015-06-03%2023.03.20.png?dl=0 19:28 < RangerZ> Evilpig: not having finer bluetooth controls does suck, bu the rest of that looks like what you'd have on your phone 19:47 <@oddball> Is that... just a random ad on the home page of your phone? 19:50 < RangerZ> nope 19:50 < RangerZ> its a carrier app 19:51 < RangerZ> its some kind of 'notification' coming from an app on his phone 19:51 < RangerZ> not an "ad" 19:51 < RangerZ> putting "ads" up would be unsightly, all they are doing is promoting a valued partner 19:52 < RangerZ> which he agreed to when he powered on the phone ;) 19:52 < RangerZ> lol 19:52 < RangerZ> ohh get this 19:52 < RangerZ> I watched the Google IO stuff 19:52 < RangerZ> in android M, "internet permissions" isn't a thing anymore 19:53 < RangerZ> all applications have access to the internet all the time 19:53 < RangerZ> 1) they say its b/c if you trust an app to read/write a contact directly, that you should 'trust' it 19:53 < RangerZ> and that apps should instead use intents to have native apps do those tasks 19:54 < RangerZ> 2) its to help with advertising & statistical tracking, if those apps can't have internet.... they don't work 19:55 < RangerZ> 3) with apps now having REVOCABLE permissions... everyone would just turn internet off on every app that didn't "really" use the internet 19:57 * oddball loves his truly unlimited internet plan more. 19:58 * oddball also considers ditching android for a company that might not be so evil... like Microsoft. 19:59 -!- crashcart [uid29931@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uyhrfsezqhxezwhd] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 20:03 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-71-68-179.bhm.bellsouth.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 20:05 < RangerZ> android just needs to make a firewall default 20:05 < RangerZ> and allow un-installation of carrier apps 20:05 < RangerZ> BUT.... carrier apps will also have to ask for permissions 20:05 < RangerZ> and you CAN take THOSE away 20:06 < RangerZ> so "start on boot" 20:06 < RangerZ> etc 20:06 < RangerZ> so THAT is good 20:07 <@Dagmar> Provided they weren't baked into the OS, they can be removed 20:07 <@Dagmar> Most are not 20:07 <@Dagmar> I'm about to de-bloat the latest stock firmware on my S3 to remove the bullshit 20:07 <@Dagmar> ...and then I'm going to remove a few choice Samsung apps that are giant wastes of space from my S5 20:08 <@Dagmar> Their default music app keeps grabbing the bluetooth associations from Google Play, and it appears to offer precisely no extra useful features aside from some mild integration with their 'Car Mode' app 20:09 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 20:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 20:09 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Client Quit] 20:15 < RangerZ> ok, fuck comcast 20:15 <@Dagmar> heh 20:15 <@Dagmar> What'd they do? 20:15 < RangerZ> getting 10~15 Mbps 20:16 < RangerZ> cant' even stream a show 20:16 < RangerZ> its not even 'constant' that speed either 20:17 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 20:17 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 20:18 < RangerZ> and fuck them and their "lets speed up speed tests that are local to them" horse they rode in on 20:18 < RangerZ> get 38/9 from 'nashville' but 14/5 from some random server in IL 20:31 <@oddball> Oh, never trust speed tests done by the company that is providing your data connection. 20:31 <@Dagmar> Considering they don't throttle anywhere but at the egress/ingress points, it's kind of lame to have a speedtest node inside that fence 20:31 <@Dagmar> THey need to stop acting like petulant children and take the bloody Netflix that Netflix was offering them 20:31 <@Dagmar> HTTP had caching in mind from the start for a damn reason 20:34 <@oddball> Well, and it's all too easy for them to say "oh, you've got our connection?" and fudge the results. 20:41 < RangerZ> oddball: https://imgur.com/gallery/PHK0sQT 20:41 < PigBot`> Title: fandoms - Imgur (at imgur.com) 20:42 <@oddball> ...I have no idea what you're talking about. 20:43 <@Dagmar> heh 20:44 <@oddball> And it has nothing to do with how I'm now a director of a scifi con. 20:45 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I was reading about the Netflix OCA boxes last night. 20:45 < _NSAKEY> It basically boils down to, "No, we don't want your fat server with 120TB of raw storage that takes 7TB of updates per day." 20:46 <@Dagmar> Yes, ebcause they're stupid 20:46 <@Dagmar> They want Netflix to pay them to host it 20:46 <@Dagmar> ...despite the fact that it'll just make Comcast look good and reduce their overall transit. 20:46 <@Dagmar> It's clear Comcast feels that all video-over-IP vendors are their mortal enemy 20:47 <@Dagmar> ...which is probably the stupidest stance any internet provider could take 20:47 <@Dagmar> For them to take that box and just put it in their machine room would be a win for everyone 20:50 <@oddball> Well, good services means that people will actually *use* their service, and that costs them money. 20:50 <@Dagmar> Pfft. Like individual packets cost money 20:50 <@Dagmar> Their transit costs are the bigger issue 20:50 <@Dagmar> Getting those to origin inside their network would be a huge benefit 20:51 <@Dagmar> THen again, these are the people who are doing HTTP interception with a bloody 200 code 20:55 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@pool-96-233-107-211.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has joined #se2600 20:55 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@pool-96-233-107-211.bstnma.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Changing host] 20:55 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has joined #se2600 20:55 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o rattle] by ChanServ 21:00 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 21:26 < RangerZ> Dagmar: you forget 1 KEY issue with Comcast 21:26 < RangerZ> it owns NBC Universal now 21:27 < RangerZ> well the TV part of NBC, I think they didnt't get Universal studios 21:29 -!- brimstone [~brimstone@unaffiliated/brimstone] has quit [Quit: whatever] 21:36 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: bleh] 21:41 < RangerZ> ohh look, its after 8:30 and now 51/9.5 22:09 -!- Catonic [~catonic@adsl-98-71-68-200.bhm.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 22:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Catonic] by ChanServ 22:42 -!- sasquatc3 [~sasquatc4@2601:1:8900:7f5:ccc6:23:d9de:68fc] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:28 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@c-73-181-12-187.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:28 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sasquatc4] by ChanServ 23:54 < RangerZ> hahaha.... 23:54 < RangerZ> http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32987622 23:54 < PigBot`> Title: Godzilla finally gets citizenship in Japan - BBC News (at www.bbc.com) --- Log closed Thu Jun 04 00:00:07 2015