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00:20 < aestetix> aaaaand fuck the US legal system
00:20 < aestetix> silk road verdict :/
00:28 < RangerZ> ?
00:28 < RangerZ> how was it wrong
00:28 < RangerZ> he was guilty as fuck
00:30 < RangerZ> I think the 'life' was b/c of [The judge also said there was "no doubt" that Ulbricht paid for murders of those who had threatened Silk Road.]
00:30 < RangerZ> but a judge gets to do that in ANY country
00:31 < aestetix> proportionality?
00:31 < RangerZ> except norway where the max term is 25? years, even for the guy who shot up the liberal summer camp and killed like 69 people
00:32 < RangerZ> but yes
00:32 < RangerZ> any "french" legal system where there is only a judge, no 'prosecutor', where the judge is also the prosecutor... they can do the same
00:33 < _NSAKEY> I get why they sentenced him to life.
00:33 < _NSAKEY> I just think that the case stinks of parallel construction.
00:34 < _NSAKEY> Honestly though, he probably did more for cleaning up the drug business than 10 violent kingpins.
00:35 < RangerZ> it just showed how it would work if we weren't so stupid about 'war on __________'
00:35 < _NSAKEY> Just in terms of people not buying fake or tainted drugs from some kid on the corner.
00:36 < RangerZ> and lets be honest, I would trust FEDEX and wholesaler in CO more than I would any local guy
00:36 < RangerZ> and we'll have that within 10 years
00:36 < _NSAKEY> Yeah.
00:36 < aestetix> How much involvement did he actually have in the drug sales?
00:36 < RangerZ> fair amount
00:36 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: He ran the website and took a small percentage of the sales.
00:37 < RangerZ> he setup a doctor to give advice, etc
00:37 < aestetix> But it wasn't just drugs, right?
00:37 < RangerZ> aestetix: doesn't matter
00:37 < RangerZ> if he had complied with DMCA and FED requests, he would have been fine
00:37 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I think he added other stuff, but he explicitly said no to things like selling guns on the site.
00:37 < _NSAKEY> DMCA doesn't apply here.
00:37 < RangerZ> it 'could'
00:37 < _NSAKEY> It was an open drug market for people selling illegal drugs.
00:37 < RangerZ> prevent selling of copyrighted materials
00:38 < RangerZ> thats my point
00:38 < _NSAKEY> Mostly club stuff, from what I've seen.
00:38 < RangerZ> i'm surprised someone hasn't made a 'legal' silk road
00:38 < RangerZ> that complies
00:38 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, I'd love to see someone play the IP law card before weed is legal all over the US.
00:38 < RangerZ> but is built in such a way as to not even KNOW what was sold between two people
00:38 < RangerZ> just take a cut
00:41 < RangerZ> its not 'really' possible
00:41 < RangerZ> I thought about the trust model, and it breaks down
00:41 < RangerZ> the biggest problem is how to host content without being able to decrypt it, but letting OTHER random strangers be able to
00:42 < RangerZ> other than aestetix's new little PGP tool
00:42 < RangerZ> ;)
00:42 < _NSAKEY> There are paste sites kind of like that.
00:43 < _NSAKEY> The crypto happens in-browser with javascript, and the guy who owns the server can't read them.
00:49 < RangerZ> yeah I know
00:49 < RangerZ> but I meant from a game-theory standpoint as a "trusted" site
00:50 < aestetix> heh
00:50 < aestetix> RangerZ: yeah I am giving the talk today
00:50 < RangerZ> for being an trusted 3rd party for handling transactions
00:50 < aestetix> I showed it to some folks last night
00:50 < aestetix> the most common reaction: "wait, this doesn't exist?"
00:51 < RangerZ> I actually thought about this back in ...09 or something
00:51 < RangerZ> when I studied PGP
00:51 < aestetix> I am also sad to report that there were no email addresses in the keystore matching %goatse.cx%
00:51 < RangerZ> but I didn't have the webserver to use to crawl the DB
00:51 < aestetix> yeah. everyone has thought about it, nobody has fucking done it afaik
00:51 < RangerZ> again, no one caring
00:51 < RangerZ> its not really that useful
00:51 < aestetix> I didn't crawl the db, I just downloaded the SKS keystore
00:51 < aestetix> it's very useful for learning about someone's social network
00:52 < RangerZ> again, not useful
00:52 < RangerZ> ;)
00:52 < aestetix> for validating a key, not so much
00:52 < aestetix> then again I would argue that pgp is not useful for validating a key :p
00:52 < aestetix> seeing how many edsnowden@nsa.gov addresses were in there
00:52 < RangerZ> I keep so many different social networks, that i'd feel bad for the person trying to profile me, lol
00:53 < RangerZ> and they have nothing to do with each other, lol
00:53 < aestetix> well you can use it, for example, to determine who goes to key signing parties :p
00:53 < RangerZ> "WTF.... now woodworking...."
00:53 < RangerZ> lol
01:14 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Since you don't SSL anything unless it's forced on you, it would probably be easier than you think.
01:14 < RangerZ> I never said I don't unless "forced"
01:14 < RangerZ> i use it more than most
01:14 < RangerZ> SSL everywhere, etc
01:15 < RangerZ> I use it for a lot of things
01:15 < RangerZ> I just don't care about this chat
01:15 < RangerZ> lol
01:21 < RangerZ> http://www.json.org/license.html is that the BSD license?
01:21 < PigBot`> Title: The JSON License (at www.json.org)
01:21 < RangerZ> looks a bit differently
01:23 < aestetix> penis
01:29 < RangerZ> http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/2015/05/29/supreme-court-justice-trial-seal-unusual-nashville-vanderbilt-rape/28190601/
01:29 < PigBot`> Title: supreme-court-justice-trial-seal-unusual-nashville-vanderbilt-rape (at www.tennessean.com)
01:30 < RangerZ> as much as I don't want the victim put through the wringer on this... I think it actually helps serve the public interest to know what these fuckers -actually- did
01:30 < RangerZ> I'd be fine with someone going through the records and blacking out the victim's name/etc
01:32 < RangerZ> plus if it embarrasses some of the Vandy staff/etc... and forces them to apologize, resign, or even change some policies....  so be it too
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09:09 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: You forget that Vanderbilt is strongly opposed to having _any_ bad press whatsoever.
09:10 <@Dagmar> They'd probably have had the entire trial be held in secret if they could throw money at the problem to make it happen
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09:10 < RangerZ> which is why i'm fine with the dirty air being released
09:12  * Evilpig farts on RangerZ 
09:12 < RangerZ> dirty, not toxic
09:17 <@Dagmar> Fucking Steam
09:17 < RangerZ> are you using the linux or windows client?
09:17 < RangerZ> also, I haven't actually seen any -benefit- of their beta client lately
09:19 <@Dagmar> Windows
09:20 <@Dagmar> ...but every time it's supposed to notify me of a new Steam client being available, it just spontaneously reboots the machine instead
09:38 < RangerZ> odd
09:38 < RangerZ> I don't have that
09:39 <@Dagmar> THe tip off for me is that when the machine reboots it installs a steam update
09:45 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Did you see this? http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=Rcp8iY8z
09:48 <@sasquatc3> http://foaas.com/
09:48 < PigBot`> Title: Fuck Off As A Service (FOAAS) (at foaas.com)
09:52 < RangerZ> sasquatc3: i hate you
09:52 < RangerZ> because I want to use that in the MOOC now
09:52 < RangerZ> "in today's course, we'll be using FOAAS standard 0.1.6"
09:52 < RangerZ> lol
09:53 < RangerZ> and our target will be sallie mae
10:03 <@sasquatc3> hehe
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15:49 < RangerZ> well THAT was a nice little power surge I just got here
15:50 < RangerZ> FYI, not sure if transformer blew or what, but, when one goes, others like to go too
15:50 < RangerZ> b/c we can't have nice things like new power grids or anything :/
15:51 < RangerZ> thats the first time I've ever seen the lights _brighten_ like that, before it was always brownouts (just dimming never really going out) I saw
16:14 <@Dagmar> It's cool how AS has just decided to be broken
16:16 < RangerZ> hehe
16:16 < RangerZ> IMHO they should have NEVER released AS out of beta
16:16 < RangerZ> it was WAYYYYYY too early
16:17 < RangerZ> thats why we still use eclipse in our classes
16:17 <@Dagmar> Well, that's the first time I'e seen it misbehave like that
16:17 < RangerZ> 'like that' somehow I'm worry when you phrase it that way ;)
16:17 <@Dagmar> hehe
16:18  * RangerZ envisions animation vs animator 
16:18 <@Dagmar> THe other "squirrely bits" have been reasonable minor and were with 1.1
16:19 <@Dagmar> It started back on the second attempt after snippily informing me it was disabling Maven (which I don't think I need in the first place)
16:19 < RangerZ> yeah you do
16:19 < RangerZ> b/c otherwise it won't even have _any_ idea how to compile
16:20 < RangerZ> b/c thats how it pulls the android LIB in
17:21 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Excess Niantic Fail detected: https://www.ingress.com/intel?ll=36.004685,-86.542348&z=18
17:21 < PigBot`> Title: Ingress Intel Map (at www.ingress.com)
17:22 < RangerZ> ?
17:23 < RangerZ> a cookie store?
17:38 <@Dagmar> When I linked it, it showed links and fields of both colors on the portal
17:38 <@Evilpig> new coasters.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/n36wtj71hriz2xe/2015-05-30%2017.36.46.jpg?dl=0
17:38 <@Evilpig> how'd I do?
17:52 < RangerZ> fuck that dog
17:53 < RangerZ> sorry... involuntary response
17:53 < RangerZ> lol
18:21 <@Evilpig> went to this place while I was at the beach as well.  http://www.asburybiergarten.com/galerie
18:21 < PigBot`> Title: Galerie — ASBURY FESTHALLE & BIERGARTEN (at www.asburybiergarten.com)
19:00 < RangerZ> Evilpig: FYI, your rest API docs aren't bad, but it doesn't tell you the json that it returns
19:00 < RangerZ> (for openDCIM) obviously
19:02 <@Evilpig> it returns the same format each time.  true / false for an error occurred, a return code which will generally just be 200
19:03 <@Evilpig> if it has to kick anything else back they'll be added on.  device will be a list of devices, etc
19:03 <@Evilpig> I think we kick back device, template, cabinet, image  right now
19:06 < RangerZ> yeah
19:06 < RangerZ> just that it would be nice to see some schema for those documented
19:07 < RangerZ> does PHP have annotations now?, you 'could' make self-documentating code via javadoc/oxygen like mechanic that way
19:17 <@Evilpig> https://www.periscope.tv/w/V0t4PDE1MjI2NzJ8MTYxNDk0MTUYq3Nc0rgNRyWFK024SwuNLLuMaPdvZYFt9SrtI4Q-Ow==
19:17 < PigBot`> Title: Joel Watson on Periscope (at www.periscope.tv)
19:17 <@Evilpig> cyanide and happiness artists sketching live
19:21 <@Evilpig> We can document them through a few different packages but we haven't
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19:21 <@Evilpig> you can look at the classes and they are laid out logically
19:22 <@Evilpig> the only one that will be different will be the device and device templates as they can get extended for specialty devices
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21:28 <@Dagmar> http://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a7yz79q_460s.jpg
21:57 <@Dagmar> Tech porn (SFW) http://techafrikico.com/2015/05/30/forget-the-others-here-is-a-real-smartwatch-from-lenovo-with-a-magicview/
21:57 < PigBot`> Title: Forget The Others, Here Is A Real Smartwatch From Lenovo With A MagicView (at techafrikico.com)
22:06  * Evilpig takes his pants off
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22:10 <@Dagmar> Oh god
22:10 <@Dagmar> Someone from the ENL faction was at a Japanese restaurant, and since the hand-towel was green & white, they wore it on their head like a bandana
22:10 <@Dagmar> I'm sure the staff viewed them exactly as the savages they are
22:11 <@Dagmar> They're meant for cleaning your hands guys, not wearing as a hat
22:11 <@Dagmar> I'm sure rattle remembers his wife's reaction when Becky asked her about wearing chopsticks in one's hair "so you'd have them when it's time to eat"
22:56 < RangerZ> ....
22:56 < RangerZ> wow
23:08 < _NSAKEY> ... What?
23:56 <@Dagmar> Hair-worn chopsticks are not there for convenience.
23:57 <@Dagmar> THey are fashion-accessories ONLY
23:57 <@Dagmar> Just imagine a gwailo girl walking around with a fork and knife in her hair
23:57 <@oddball> theBecky was not known for being the sharpest tack.
23:57 <@Evilpig> thinking I might have seen a hipster do that
23:57 <@Dagmar> heheh
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