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00:36 < RangerZ> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3087515/Virtual-reality-porn-stay-Oculus-Rift-headset-maker-says-no-plans-block-adult-entertainment-devices.html
00:36 < PigBot`> Title: Oculus Rift headset maker says it has no plans to block porn | Daily Mail Online (at www.dailymail.co.uk)
00:36 < RangerZ> looks they just pre-sold one to Evilpig
00:40 <@Dagmar> hehe
00:40 <@Dagmar> You also need way less video card for just watching 3D porno
00:41 <@Dagmar> The resolution is such that I suspect some people will be buying them just to watch a "virtual theatre"
00:41 <@Dagmar> (not for porn specifically tho)
00:41 <@Dagmar> Peoplw with really bad eyesight would probably very much like to use them for that
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00:42 <@Dagmar> It's not real hard to focus on a screen that's 3 inches from your eyes
00:42 <@Dagmar> I showed Lindsey that Squarepusher video for Cardboard yesterday.  She was clearly impressed
00:42 <@Dagmar> It took her a moment to work out the whole "You can turn your head" thing
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06:59 <@Dagmar> God damn
06:59 <@Dagmar> Google's rates for raw data storage are cheap as hell
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08:26 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Are you saying that I owe Elonka $1?
08:58 < aestetix> http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/05/20/how-facebook-exposes-domestic-violence-survivors.html
08:58 < PigBot`> Title: How Facebook Exposes Domestic Violence Survivors - The Daily Beast (at www.thedailybeast.com)
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09:04 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: On the Facebook Help Center, however, the company maintains that the real-name policy “helps keep our community safe.”
09:05 < _NSAKEY> The only thing facebook is keeping safe is its ability to correlate real identities to activity, so it can get that ad money.
09:06 < _NSAKEY> Hahaha. You got quoted. Just got to that part.
09:06 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: read the article :)
09:07 < _NSAKEY> I won't even use facebook. I'm one of those people who blocked the like button as soon as it came out, because fuck Mark Zuckerberg.
09:07  * aestetix nods
09:07 < _NSAKEY> I made an account that lasted all of 8 months because of high school reunion stuff.
09:08 <@Evilpig> it is useful for that
09:08 < _NSAKEY> All the news about it was done over facebook, and nobody thought to use anything else.
09:08 < aestetix> Protip when talking to reporters: write emails with simple, concise, easy to copy/paste chunks. It increases the chance they will use your words and decreases the chance they will edit them :)
09:08 < _NSAKEY> It only lasted as long as it did because facebook happened to launch a hidden service.
09:09 < aestetix> I realy hope someone from Facebook reads that and gets pissed off at my accusation.
09:09 < _NSAKEY> Fun fact: If you use their hidden service for a while and then ask for your data dump, it will not include the times you logged in over the hidden service.
09:10 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: They won't be able to hear you over the sound they make while cliking coins together.
09:10 < _NSAKEY> *clinking
09:11 < aestetix> also, I love how these articles make it sound like NymRights is more than a blog
09:11 < aestetix> well, and stickers. I made stickers.
09:11 < _NSAKEY> Hahaha. Reporters tend to do that.
09:11 < _NSAKEY> It's probably not even intentional.
09:11 < _NSAKEY> The bottom line is that if you don't want brokers selling your info, you have to lie on everything.
09:12 < aestetix> Right.
09:12 < aestetix> She edited it a little bit.
09:12 < _NSAKEY> Whenever I get shopping cards and the person behind the register forces me to fill it out, I do things like:
09:12 < _NSAKEY> First name: Fuck
09:12 < _NSAKEY> Last name: You
09:12 < aestetix> She cut off the words "like Axciom" from the end.
09:12 < _NSAKEY> Address: Die In A Fire St, Nashville, TN
09:13 < _NSAKEY> Nobody's called me out on it yet.
09:15 < _NSAKEY> Probably because they don't even read the forms.
09:15 < aestetix> I wonder how many people use penis@vagina.com
09:16 < _NSAKEY> Oh, and if they insist on an e-mail, I either use an @example.com e-mail, or something snarky like "lol@givingyoumy.info"
09:16 < _NSAKEY> Just depends on my mood.
09:17 < _NSAKEY> I had one at Rite Aid who wanted to give me drama over a $5 tracfone once.
09:17 < _NSAKEY> She insisted that I fill out the loyalty card sheet while I was there.
09:17 < _NSAKEY> So, she got obscene and bogus information.
09:18 < _NSAKEY> I'll be around later.
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09:57 < aestetix> god damnit
09:57 < aestetix> This important email wouldn't load. Took fucking forever.
09:57 < aestetix> Turns out they attached a 30 meg document to it
09:58 <@Evilpig> lol
10:02 < aestetix> apparently thunderbird chokes on large attachments
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10:05 < aestetix> god I love europe
10:05 < aestetix> "Per calendar year the Employee is entitled to the statutory minimum holidays of 20 working days based on a 5-days-week."
10:05 < aestetix> That's in addition to all the random holidays they have
10:13 < aestetix> Imagine an American company saying that
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10:38 <@Mirage> aestetix: um..where I am as an FTE we start off at 20 vacation days, 2 sick days, and 3 floating holidays, plus 8 regular holidays
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10:40 <@Mirage> But you don't get accruals or payouts.  If you have days leftfrom the previous year, they will roll-over up to 7 days, but those have to be used by Apr 1 or you lose them
10:42 < aestetix> Mirage: wow.
10:42 < aestetix> Mirage: most places in the US are not like that.
10:44 <@Mirage> aestetix: moral of the story.. you chose poorly and need to find a new job.
10:50 < aestetix> heh
10:50 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/search?f=realtime&q=caitlin_roperr&src=typd
10:50 < PigBot`> Title: caitlin_roperr - Twitter Search (at twitter.com)
10:50 < aestetix> another twitter troll inspired by weev
10:56 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/youngvulgarian/status/601036114061828096
10:56 < aestetix> wow
10:56 < PigBot`> Title: Marie Le Conte on Twitter: "(TW: transphobia)Hey, @twitter, what the HELL is that promoted tweet? How on earth did that just appear on my TL? http://t.co/vrPqlF24iy" (at twitter.com)
11:16 <@sasquatc4> it may be changing though, we didnt get roll-over until ~3 years ago when they started rolling over 5(1yrs worth) of sick days
11:17 <@sasquatc4> then when we bought hughes sat we got their vacation policy which allows 1.5yrs of vacation roll-over days, so for most of us thats 22 days we can roll
11:17 < aestetix> well let me put this in perspective
11:17 < aestetix> I have been in germany for two months, and there have already been four state holidays
11:19 <@sasquatc4> yea, i know they get a ton of holidays, it would be nice if we actually got all federal holidays like gov employees do, that would add a good amount to the calendar
11:38 <@Dolemite> I don't get all Federal Holidays
11:39 <@Dolemite> That's a myth.  Bankers get more holidays than government employees
11:50 <@sasquatc4> when the fiance worked for the office of surface of mining she got all the federal holidays
12:10 <@Dolemite> I don't get President's Day or Veterans Day
12:51 < aestetix> https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2015/05/20/twitter-users-shown-transphobic-promoted-tweet/
12:52 <@Evilpig> is that more of weev's trolling or someone else learning from his silliness?
12:52 < aestetix> the latter
12:54 < aestetix> anoher one
12:54 < aestetix> http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/may/20/troll-uses-twitter-adverts-to-urge-trans-people-to-kill-themselves
12:54 < PigBot`> Title: Troll uses Twitter adverts to urge transgender people to kill themselves | Technology | The Guardian (at www.theguardian.com)
13:09 <@Evilpig> so this just came up in a work related chat.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdSalyTmPWo
13:52 < aestetix> https://floor.senate.gov/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=2&event_id=320
13:52 < PigBot`> Title: Senate Floor Proceedings - May 20th, 2015 (at floor.senate.gov)
13:52 < aestetix> rand paul is filibustering over patriot act
13:57 <@oddball> Ok... Corydon just needs to start shutting the fuck up when he doesn't know what he's talking about.
13:58 <@oddball> One would think that a man that loves looking like he knows everything would be embarassed when it's proven that he's wrong.
13:59 <@Evilpig> http://www.dailydot.com/lol/delta-airlines-internet-memes-safety-video/
13:59 < PigBot`> Title: Delta gathered all the best memes for this ridiculous safety video (at www.dailydot.com)
14:00 <@Evilpig> oddball: what on this time?
14:02 <@oddball> Oh, I bitched about Comcast's video on demand fucking up, and his solution was somehow moving to business class internet.
14:02 <@oddball> And I tried telling him that he was wrong and why (not to mention that I was the one that told *him* to get on business class to avoid data caps), and he just kept doubling down.
14:03 <@Evilpig> oh gees
14:04 <@Evilpig> speaking of video on demand.  my new plex server appears to have crashed
14:04 <@oddball> James Reader chimed in that he was a lucky bastard and Comcast hasn't been charging him overages.  Corydon responded "well, this is only if you're in Nashville..."
14:04 <@Evilpig> I need to head home and find out what's up
14:05 <@oddball> Ummm.... James still lives in Nashville... as his FB profile clearly reflects.
14:05 <@oddball> bah, suck
14:06 <@oddball> I've talked to Corydon enough on subjects that I clearly know more than he does that I'm kind of at the point of feeling a need to verify anything that comes out of his mouth.
14:15 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: btw I still have that sound on my phone for text messages from my free cams
14:22 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: aestetix about the shopping cards, that allow you to get discounts, I like the thing that this one guy setup, it was a trading program, once a month you would trade your current card with someone else, and TOTALLY screw up their tracking/analytics, lol
14:24 < RangerZ> that or... if it is cards with "rewards" then you have everyone use copies the same card, and have the rewards go to a church, women's shelter, etc...
14:24 <@Evilpig> I like the idea of circulating hte cards in a group
14:25 <@Evilpig> that could make for some screwy results
14:29 < RangerZ> the reason why they started offering $0.10 off per gallon of gas for every 100$ (or 200$, I forget) at Giant Eagles (Grocery out of Pitt) is because they wanted to stop the card swapping
14:30 < RangerZ> it was getting pretty big for a while back home
14:30 < RangerZ> thing is, you'd just swap with random strangers too, and make the 'group' bigger, almost exponentially
14:35 < aestetix> so if I agree with Rand Paul, does that make me a republican?
14:40 <@oddball> And now with phone apps for keeping track of those cards...
14:40 <@oddball> aestetix: There's a number of Republicans that don't agree with him on much.
14:44 < RangerZ> aestetix: not really, rand paul isn't a "real" republican , he's got 1/4 of his issues where he actually stands up for his beliefs
14:44 < RangerZ> the OTHER 3/4 are for the highest bidder
14:46 < RangerZ> like his anti-hawk-ish war, and anti-"big government" spying
14:46 < RangerZ> both of which he's curtailed sometimes
14:46 < RangerZ> when it was obvious his donors and the party didn't like what he was doing
14:47 < RangerZ> I had more respect for his father, his batshit crazy father with a history of racists postings in his newsletter, but at least he was consistent
14:48 < RangerZ> same with Dennis Kusinich (sp?) he was never going to get the nomination, but they were both outliers (opposite ends) who you could know where they stood on issues, and that they _honestly_ believed them
14:49 < RangerZ> The reason I have no issue with oddball and his gun stuff, is because I know he honestly believes it
14:50 < RangerZ> I 'see' where/why he feels that way, I don't believe its 100% correct, but its not corrupt, and its not for sale to the highest donor bidder
14:50 < RangerZ> ME on the other hand... if you know a billionaire ;) give me their number ;) hehe
14:51 < RangerZ> hehe, thats actually why I got _out_ of politics, is b/c I didn't want to go out for donations anymore
14:52 < RangerZ> I did it enough growing up, for friends and family, etc... that I realized that the level of _service_ I'd want to commit too... would require me to sell my soul for donations :/... (state house or federal house)
14:53 < RangerZ> (growing up it was all county or smaller stuff, so it wasn't bad, only needed a few 1000$, etc... most was physical human labor intensive, going and talking to people, etc)
14:53 <@oddball> RangerZ: For the record, I'll say a lot if someone offered me a a billion dollars.  Hell, I'd probably settle for a several mil.
14:54 < RangerZ> oddball: same, lol
14:54 <@oddball> now... I won't promise that I'll flip right back after the check clears. :p
14:54 < RangerZ> but thats as an _individual_
14:55 < RangerZ> it would physically pain me to do that as an elected representative
14:55 <@oddball> Fair enough
14:55 < RangerZ> (which would require several millions more for pain 'treatment' )
14:55 < RangerZ> ;)
14:55 < RangerZ> lol
14:56 < RangerZ> I grew up actually believing in/working in working democratic elections, etc.
14:56 < RangerZ> _lower d_
14:56 < RangerZ> some were bigger D-Democratic also, but most were non-partisan for judges
14:57 < RangerZ> but... it just frustrates me to no end that our system is so broken :/
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15:04 <@oddball> Speaking of gun stuff, apparently someone has introduced a federal bill to ban ammo sales over the internet because... uh... reasons.
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15:08 <@oddball> Oh, and it requires reporting of sales of more than 1k rounds to one person over a 5 day period.
15:08 <@oddball> How is that going to work?
15:31 < RangerZ> easy, just institute Chris Rock's bullet pricing scheme ;)
15:33 < RangerZ> oddball: do you/panya have a ps3 or vita?
15:33 <@oddball> ps3
15:34 < RangerZ> if either of you is a Sword Art Online fan, the new game is _really_ good
15:34 < RangerZ> actually has real translations
15:34 <@oddball> cool
15:34 < RangerZ> I have a 5$ coupon if you want to import it (its only sold in "asia"
15:36 < RangerZ> but it is in perfect english subtitles
15:39 <@oddball> I'll ask her if she wants it.
15:39 <@oddball> Thanks for the heads up
15:40 < RangerZ> I got it for the vita, if she wants to see it
15:40 < RangerZ> but its for ps3 too
15:41 < RangerZ> I got the one that was "actually" released in the US, and it the worst translations (other than cutscenes) of any game I've ever personally played
15:41 < RangerZ> but this one is actually _good_
15:41 < RangerZ> with same voice actors as anime
15:42 <@oddball> nice
15:44 < RangerZ> and shipping wasn't bad, I'm actually _really_ happy with the entire purchase
15:53 <@CRasH180> That is good to hear that an English translation was excellent. What is the original language in for Sword Art?
16:02 < RangerZ> Japanese
16:27 < aestetix> https://blog.wealthfront.com/college-vs-retirement-savings-silicon-valley/
16:27 < PigBot`> Title: You Need Equity To Live In Silicon Valley - Wealthfront Knowledge Center (at blog.wealthfront.com)
16:37 < RangerZ> "An annual income of $250,000 seems like a lot of money. "
16:37 < RangerZ> no... fuckers... that IS a lot of money
16:38 < RangerZ> just because you spend too much of it on housing doesn't make it NOT a "lot of money"
16:39 < RangerZ> I'm surprised that someone hasn't bought up a building in SF and made it the japanese 4ftx4ftx12ft "apartments"
16:40 < RangerZ> "this is only meant as a place for you to sleep, and store your cloths"
16:41 < RangerZ> hell make it more american, and make it 8ftx8ftx12ft and have a closet and murphey bed
16:43 < RangerZ> only costs 400~500$/mo to rent , but thats only 96 sq.ft with 8 foot ceiling
16:45 < RangerZ> 6k/yr per 100sq.ft. is probably right around what they are getting now
16:46 < RangerZ> http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/what-does-it-really-cost-to-live-in-san-francisco-apartment-therapys-cost-of-living-report-193256 actually its right in the profit ranges
16:47 < PigBot`> Title: What Does it Really Cost to Live in San Francisco? — Apartment Therapy's Cost of Living Report | Apartment Therapy (at www.apartmenttherapy.com)
16:47 < RangerZ> higher profit than a lot of them
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17:41 <@Dagmar> They're literally going to have to have a crash there before that gets sorted out
17:41 <@Dagmar> ...but hey... Earthquakes.
17:44 <@Dagmar> They literally can't build a new building for low rent, because the financing required in turn requires a huge volume of profit, or funding simply goes _elsewhere_ because it isn't doing low-cost housing
17:44 <@Dagmar> It's a bad scene all 'round
17:45 <@oddball> Well, that and the city codes are such that building such buildings are essentially impossible.
17:46 <@Dagmar> Yep.  They are equally fucked coming and going
17:46 <@Dagmar> It will literally take another massive quake, IMHO
17:46 <@Dagmar> ...and the city will have to have limits in place _beforehand_
17:51 <@oddball> From what I understand, SanFran's city building codes basically make it a city-wide HOA.
17:54 <@Dagmar> Yes.  That was their last attempt at fixing the problem
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18:32 <@oddball> If by "fix the problem," you mean "attempt to arrest urban development," then I agree.
18:36 <@Dagmar> No they were actually trying to bring the price inflation to heel
18:37 <@Dagmar> I read a rather detailed article on the mess and how they got there
18:48 <@sasquatc4> dear god, kids these days, dev at work asking some code that happens to have my name on it, from 6 damn years ago
18:48 <@sasquatc4> everything it talks to and gets info from has long since changed since i wrote that, let alone have any idea what it does anymore
18:48 <@sasquatc4> and i ask for details to try to help and they just repeat their problem over and over
18:49 <@oddball> Dagmar: I was thinking that their codes basically meant that they couldn't tear down old buildings and build larger new ones.
18:50 <@Dagmar> yes, because it's the larger new ones that are basically on the leading edge of the problem
18:50 <@Dagmar> This is why they are very firmly fucked now
18:50 <@Dagmar> They managed to slow things down at the expense of having nowhere left to manoever
18:51 <@oddball> How would building larger apartment buildings with more apartments *increase* living costs?
18:55 <@Dagmar> The larger size requires more investment money, which in turn represents a requirement of a larger profit margin
18:55 <@Dagmar> That's how
19:08 < aestetix> man
19:08 < aestetix> Rand Paul's filibuster is great.
19:31 < RangerZ> http://www.c-span.org/video/?326084-1/senator-rand-paul-rky-nsa-surveillance
19:31 < PigBot`> Title: Senator Rand Paul R-KY NSA Surveillance | Video | C-SPAN.org (at www.c-span.org)
19:32 < RangerZ> is he actually talking about something relevant ?
19:32 < RangerZ> or just spouting off definitions?
19:33 < RangerZ> ok, good, he's actually talking on topic
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19:50 < aestetix> RangerZ: yes
19:59 <@Evilpig> tech support cunt at sprint telling me to keep it professional when I started ranting that my phone can do wifi calling but sprint disabled it, my phone has a hot spot but sprint disabled it unless I pay them extra, I can't even turn the click off on the camera because SPRINT DISABLED IT
20:00 < RangerZ> Evilpig: wtf?
20:00 < RangerZ> the camera?
20:00 <@Evilpig> the clicking sound when you take a picture
20:00 < RangerZ> ohh
20:00 <@Evilpig> it also fires when you take a screenshot
20:00 <@Evilpig> you know what kind of leers you get when you take a screenshot on the subway and that click goes off?!
20:00 < RangerZ> thats b/c of EU/japan regulations requiring that sound so as to prevent up-skirt pics
20:01 < RangerZ> so the US MANF./carriers just saw a nice new little checkbox and clicked it
20:01 < RangerZ> lol
20:01 < RangerZ> sounds like you need ROOT on that phone
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20:02 <@oddball> ...and then a non-Sprint ROM.
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20:07 <@Evilpig> I'm about to get a non-sprint rom that has wifi calling enabled
20:07 <@Evilpig> this is stupid
20:07 <@Evilpig> the only reason I haven't jumped to t-mobile is because of my stupid vpn on this pbone
20:07 <@Evilpig> phone*
20:07 <@Evilpig> I want to strangle this tech support cunt
20:08 <@Evilpig> "sir we can send you a wifi-connect enabled router"
20:08 <@Evilpig> no bitch, you can send me a wifi hotspot that will do what my current wifi already does, but you dicks want me to buy a new phone so you disabled wifi calling
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20:09 <@Evilpig> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gAy-dETV6bM
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20:31 <@Evilpig> oddball: do I remember correctly that you tried the sprint integration with google voice?
20:48 <@oddball> Nope.  On ATT.
20:52 < _NSAKEY> Did you guys see the PhreakNIC announcement?
20:52 < aestetix> what phreaknic announcement
20:52  * oddball checks his email
20:53 < _NSAKEY> Check Twitter.
20:53 < aestetix> http://phreaknic.info/
20:53 < PigBot`> Title: PhreakNIC19 (at phreaknic.info)
20:53 < aestetix> I am impressed
20:53 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/phreaknic/status/601071733773377538
20:53 < PigBot`> Title: PhreakNIC on Twitter: "PhreakNIC 19 announced! November 6-7, 2015, at Clarion Inn Murfreesboro (SE Nashville). Check http://t.co/hX5hrEwKyz for details!" (at twitter.com)
20:54 <@oddball> Oh, so apparently Twitter is the new prefered form of communication?
20:54 < _NSAKEY> oddball: I happened to see it on Twitter first.
20:54 < _NSAKEY> Doesn't look like an e-mail went out.
20:54 < aestetix> Hmmm.
20:55 < aestetix> If I can get a flight to PN, could I crash in someone's room?
20:55 < aestetix> I am wondering if I could get a friend to fund a plane ticket from Berlin to Nashville.
20:56 <@oddball> It will be interesting to see how they make that space work.
20:56 <@Evilpig> < aestetix> what phreaknic announcement   <-- that should sum up any announcements made
20:56 < aestetix> lol
20:56 <@oddball> From what I understand, the large space we used for 16 and 17 now has a bar in it.
20:56 <@Evilpig> restaurant, yes
20:57 <@Evilpig> http://torrentfreak.com/google-fiber-sends-automated-piracy-fines-to-subscribers-150520/
20:57 < PigBot`> Title: Google Fiber Sends Automated Piracy Fines to Subscribers | TorrentFreak (at torrentfreak.com)
20:57 < _NSAKEY> They had other options on the short list, but one of them was only available on a weekend that Elonka was scheduled to be out of town.
20:58 <@oddball> Oh, so there was an actual short list?
20:58 <@oddball> Did anyone know of this short list?
21:00 <@oddball> I think that the space could work if they decide to use the room that was used for staging is used as programing/etc, and the extra T-shirts, csh register, etc is stored in a hotel room.
21:00 <@Evilpig> and lol, back at the clarion.
21:02 <@oddball> I'm honestly not against the con being there.  That's about what the con can afford right now, and I don't think we'll be too big for that hotel this year.
21:02 <@oddball> Maybe next year if folks pull their shit together, but not this year.
21:02 <@Evilpig> There was no reason it shoudln't have been there last year 
21:03 <@oddball> If PN isn't too big for that hotel the year after that...
21:03 <@Evilpig> I'm just laughing at the demand made to move it, then everyone swinging back around to it after the fact because of the reason it was moved in teh first place
21:04 <@oddball> Evilpig: Well, the loss of the restaurant space is painful to the usefulness of that hotel, but it was a lot better of a fit than the Maxwell House.
21:04 < RangerZ> is that the one down in murf?
21:04 <@oddball> yep
21:04 < RangerZ> *shrugs*
21:04 <@Evilpig> for less than half of what was paid to the maxwell house you can rent out the restaurant space
21:04 < RangerZ> I might -actually- get a hotel room then
21:04 <@oddball> Good news is that Crazy Pants won't be there because "she won't travel that far."
21:05 < RangerZ> that drive was a bit much back/forth each time
21:05 < RangerZ> mainly (100%) because of traffic, not the actual drive itself
21:05 <@oddball> Evilpig: Oh really?  Most hotels won't close down their restaurants for you.
21:05 < RangerZ> oddball: yes they will
21:06 < RangerZ> just expensive
21:06 <@Evilpig> the space was offered to us at x price if it wasn't occupied and y price if it was
21:06 <@oddball> huh
21:07 <@oddball> RangerZ: Not the ones that Hypericon have talked to.
21:07 < RangerZ> he means "occupied" by a 'real' restaurant at the time
21:07 <@Evilpig> oddball: it depends on how much business they typically take in
21:07 <@oddball> And how proud they are of the restaurant
21:08 <@Evilpig> a brand new restaurant will shut down for a weekend if they don't have a set crowd yet, or if their traffic is low
21:08 < RangerZ> oddball: thats odd, I've seen entire restaurants rented out for nights
21:08 <@oddball> and if the restaurant is actually run by someone else
21:08 <@oddball> RangerZ: rented out for a massive dinner? yes.  Rented out to use as con space?
21:08 < RangerZ> yes
21:09 <@oddball> huh
21:09 < RangerZ> but... it was legit billionaires doing the renting , that I'm familiar with, lol
21:09 < RangerZ> so the hotel just 'does' it
21:09 < RangerZ> to make nice-nice
21:09 <@oddball> ah... yeah... the whole "if I throw enough money at it" thing.
21:14 < RangerZ> not so much that
21:14 < RangerZ> more of them doing it b/c of the name
21:15 < RangerZ> if Freeman goes to a hotel and asks for the same thing as PN
21:15 < RangerZ> he'll get it
21:15 < RangerZ> just b/c people want to play nice/build relationships for _future_ profits
21:15 < RangerZ> etc
21:18 <@oddball> ah, right
21:20 < RangerZ> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/21/us/nebraska-lawmakers-vote-to-abolish-death-penalty.html
21:28 < RangerZ> like how my 'clan' names has sway back home
21:28 < RangerZ> but I'm lucky b/c its not -my- last name
21:28 < RangerZ> so most people don't know I'm part of that family
21:28 < RangerZ> lol
21:29 <@oddball> heh
21:29 < RangerZ> not billionaires, but locally significant as the most powerful Irish family
21:29 < RangerZ> as the rest of them are all Italian
21:31 < RangerZ> I did like the recent musing I'd had over trying to explain to my friend that I was yelling at my mom, and that it was "normal"
21:31 < RangerZ> I ended up just telling her that .... it was just an "irish disagreement"
21:31 < RangerZ> lol
21:32 <@oddball> Yelling at your mom isn't normal?
21:33 < RangerZ> thats what she kept saying
21:33 < RangerZ> I didn't quite understand what she meant at first
21:33 <@oddball> huh... some people had a much quieter upbringing.
21:34 < RangerZ> and she is _russian_ and raised _in_ russia
21:35 < RangerZ> so I looked at her funny
21:35 < RangerZ> lol
21:35 < RangerZ> I think its more of a mother/daughter thing, where they are either super close or cats/dogs in teenage years
21:35 < RangerZ> she was apparently super close
21:35 < RangerZ> lol
21:36 <@oddball> Of course, some folks recoil in horror when they find out that I blocked my mom's calls for a few months.
21:36 < RangerZ> lol
21:41 <@oddball> Some folks extent a lot more forgiveness to their family than I do.
21:41 < aestetix> man
21:42 < aestetix> I think pretty much all my stress right now comes with fighting to get paid by american companies
21:42 < aestetix> which will end once I start my new german job :)
21:42 <@oddball> Hell, the only reasons I speak to my sister at all is that 1. I actually like her sons and husband (the daughter is a little shit, though), and 2. as a favor for my mom.
21:43 <@oddball> My mom literally asked for me to tolerate my sister as a Christmas present to her this past year.
21:43 < RangerZ> lol
21:46 < RangerZ> I told my mom that if I ever move back that... I would go to the courts and get restraining orders against my aunt and her two sons against my property. and that I'd setup battery backed up video streaming cameras streaming their data to an off site server.
21:46 < RangerZ> because of claims that they would destroy my property
21:47 < RangerZ> my mom didn't realize I was being 100% serious
21:47 <@oddball> Similarly, I've told Naienko that, if we ever go back to NC to visit her family there, we will not be staying with her aunt.  Not because I have any issues with her aunt directly, but because I *will* kill her dog.
21:51 <@oddball> Little yappy dog that was never taught that he wasn't the alpha.  So... no he growls and snaps at fucking everything.  One of those cases of if it was a larger dog, she would have had to legally been forced to put it down years ago.
22:04 <@Dagmar> What you need is an electrified chew toy
22:08 <@oddball> The only reason the mutt survived my last visit was because we were burying Naienko's grandfather/the aunt's father.
22:08 <@oddball> It was a close call, though... and Naienko noticed that I started wearing shoes around the house.
22:15 < _NSAKEY> I'm not much better.
22:15 < _NSAKEY> My father is the only member of my family I'll have anything at all to do with.
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22:59 < aestetix> lol
22:59 < aestetix> http://www.nytimes.com/politics/first-draft/2015/05/20/first-republican-debate-is-limited-to-10-candidates
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23:01 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Because the clown car doesn't have 11 seats?
23:01 < aestetix> haha
23:03 <@klixa> i need narcotics
23:03 < aestetix> klixa: drugs are bad
23:04 <@klixa> abusing drugs is bad
23:04 <@klixa> drugs ar eneautral
23:04 <@klixa> are neautral*
23:04 <@klixa> nei..fuck it
23:04 <@klixa> neutral
23:15 <@Dagmar> aestetix: I don't think that will go well for them
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