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10:13 <@oddball> heh... One of my writer friends asked if hackers/cyberpunk folks/computer geeks have a term for that late night period between midnight and 2am.  All I could think of was "normal operating hours?"
10:53 < aestetix> lol
10:53 < aestetix> You mean the dead zone when all the americans have gone to sleep and the europeans havn't woken up yet? :)
10:53 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTj4NtsPwNo
11:01 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: The dead zone you refer to is more like 4-6 AM. Even the crackheads are asleep then.
11:13 <@klixa> _NSAKEY: crackheads NEVER sleep
11:14 <@klixa> well not at any particular time each day... cause they all stay up 2-3 days in a row binging/searching before passing o ut
11:54 < aestetix> klixa: hey wanna buy a lamp?
11:54 < aestetix> http://www.ebay.de/itm/Tischlampe-Dekoleuchte-Mr-P-gelb-/161694391735?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item25a5bc9db7
11:54 < PigBot`> Title: Tischlampe - Dekoleuchte Mr. P - gelb | eBay (at www.ebay.de)
11:56 < _NSAKEY> klixa: I'm basing that claim off the fact that the dealers aren't out at those hours.
11:59 <@klixa> _NSAKEY: i knew dealers who were
11:59 <@klixa> well i didnt know them ersonally
12:00 <@klixa> well i knew one personally kinda
12:00 <@klixa> aestetix: i hate that lamp...its yellow!
12:01 <@klixa> _NSAKEY: when i lived in seattle, i rented a room in a house...and a crackhead moved in a month later, and EVERYONE in that  house (but me) ended up on crack as a result
12:02 <@klixa> it was a house thet had been divided into apt. , well each bedroom or whatever as for rent and then each floor had shared bathrom and kitchen
12:02 <@klixa> it sucked, cause it was cheap but i had to move after that happened...it got crazier and crazier til one night some guy was passed out in the kitchen with a needle n his arm...while another tenant was stealing his wallet
12:03 < _NSAKEY> I'm just basing this off of observing crack dealers in Nashville.
12:03 < _NSAKEY> They seem to start clearing off the streets around 3 AM.
12:03 <@klixa> thats just one type of dealer
12:03 <@klixa> the street kind
12:04 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, that's exactly the kind I'm talking about.
12:04 <@klixa> the crack users i knew were all white middle class UW college students led astray
12:05 < _NSAKEY> Sounds about right.
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12:42 < aestetix> https://vimeo.com/127408199
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13:00 < RangerZ1> oddball: Remember that game that is....  50s Noir, x-com like combat, permadeath, randomly generated mission layout Spy based story... well it comes out this week http://store.steampowered.com/app/243970/ ... to rob your wallet
13:00 < PigBot`> Title: Invisible, Inc. on Steam (at store.steampowered.com)
13:01 <@Evilpig> looks interesting
13:03 < RangerZ1> i've been following it since it was crowd funded
13:03 < RangerZ1> didn't back it, b/c I was so poor I couldn't pay attention at the time...lol
13:03 < RangerZ1> but it looks like it might be fun
13:04 <@rhia> RangerZ, http://store.steampowered.com/app/318480/
13:04 < PigBot`> Title: Burnstar on Steam (at store.steampowered.com)
13:05 < RangerZ1> ?
13:06 <@rhia> it's mother's day, and my oldest was one of the main developers
13:06 < RangerZ1> ahh
13:06 < RangerZ1> nice
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13:22 <@RangerZ> ok, fuck this nic
13:23 <@RangerZ> and comcast on top of it
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13:45 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: What kind of NIC?
13:48 < RangerZ> offhand I don't even remember
13:48 < RangerZ> think its realtek
13:49 <@rattle> I've got some shit luck..
13:50 <@rattle> Yesterday while doing yard work, I slipped and fell on an incline in my back yard..
13:50 <@rattle> Simple tiny little fall, but I managed to fuck up my left ankle so bad I can't support any weight on it.  Had these big bulge in the side, like golf ball sized.
13:51 <@rattle> Spent the whole night in the hospital.  Never thought to ask for a scrip for pain meds.
13:51 <@rattle> Today is a sucking pit of festering pain.
13:51 < RangerZ> ouch
13:51 < RangerZ> rattle you're in new england?
13:52 <@rattle> Yeah..  In the burbs outside Boston.
13:52 <@Evilpig> rattle: you know what that means right? 
13:52 < RangerZ> *can't offer to give you one of my left over pain pills from dental work then*
13:53 <@rattle> This sprain is worse that actual breaks I've had before in terms of the pain..  Sucks.
13:53 <@rattle> The doctor said I can expect about three days of pain and inability to put any weight on it before it starts to get better.
13:53 < RangerZ> b/c with 'break' you get... pain pills
13:53 <@rattle> Also said I can expect my whole foot to turn black and blue over the next 24 hours.
13:54 < RangerZ> rattle: I hope you told them "well thanks for all the good news doc.."
13:54 <@rattle> Basically..
13:58 < RangerZ> well that sucks
13:58 < RangerZ> call your doctor and get a script ?
13:58 < RangerZ> dr at hospital*
13:58 < RangerZ> I think vandy medical does that
13:59 < RangerZ> b/c I know I could get antibiotic via email when I had the flu/sinus infection if by (that) friday I wasn't feeling better (which thankfully I was)
14:00 <@rattle> Today I'm basically screwed logistically on that..  Tomorrow I couldn't take anything hardcore anyway.
14:00 <@rattle> I'm actually starting a new contract gig tomorrow, ironicly..
14:00 <@rattle> Thankfully, it's my left ankle, so I can drive.
14:00 < RangerZ> hope you have a crutch
14:00 < RangerZ> and I don't mean Jack Daniels
14:00 < RangerZ> ;)
14:00 <@rattle> Oh yeah..  I couldn't even move around the house with crutches.
14:01  * RangerZ wonders if we could send someone into your contract work with the rattle cutout from PN ...16?
14:01 <@rattle> Actually, I just took three shots of rum a few minutes ago, and the pain isn't bugging me as much.. :)
14:01 <@rattle> I have thought that could come in handy when working off-site.  Heh
14:01 <@Evilpig> rattle: that thing went back as far as 15, I think
14:02 <@Evilpig> err RangerZ 
14:02 <@rattle> That sounds right..
14:02 < RangerZ> 14 (but that was only in Evilpig's private room)
14:02 <@Evilpig> we made it the last year we were at the days inn. :P
14:05 <@rattle> What a glorious shithole that hotel was..
14:12 < RangerZ> at least it was cheap
14:12 <@rattle> Yeah, don't get me wrong..  It was perfect for PhreakNIC in many ways.
14:12 < aestetix> rattle: https://vimeo.com/127408199
14:12 <@rattle> Two more elevators would have been nice, but it worked out..  Hence the glorious before shithole.
14:13 < aestetix> RangerZ: it means rattle is now a Masshole
14:13 < RangerZ> lets be honest
14:13 < RangerZ> he was a Masshole before moving there
14:14 < RangerZ> ;)
14:14 <@rattle> I love the term Masshole.
14:14 < aestetix> rattle: I assume you have heard it before
14:15 <@rattle> Of course..
14:16 < aestetix> Whereas RangerZ is a Nashole
14:16 < RangerZ> nope, just a regular asshole
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14:43 < _NSAKEY> That cardboard stand-up still exists.
14:43 < _NSAKEY> It's in Elonka's garage with the rest of the org's random stuff.
14:44 < aestetix> So Elonka has (unsurprisingly) taken over se2600? :)
14:45 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Power was foisted upon her almost immediately.
14:45 < _NSAKEY> Board meetings have been held at her place, for example.
14:46 < _NSAKEY> I was in the area last week before the most recent one, so I went. While I was there, I bought a bunch of old shirts.
14:46 < aestetix> I have a feeling the next PhreakNIC will have like 500 people just because of her
14:46 < _NSAKEY> That's how I know that the rattle stand-up is there.
14:52 < aestetix> Yeah, you guys needed a den mother ;)
14:52 < RangerZ> we needed someone who dru wouldn't fight with
15:00 <@rattle> I think that Elonka's involvement in things is awesome.
15:00 <@rattle> Elonka is basically awesome.
15:01 <@rattle> Smart, capable, organized, pragmatic, easy going, etc..  She's what the whole situation needed.
15:01 < aestetix> Agreed.
15:01 < aestetix> And she doesn't tolerate bullshit.
15:02 <@rattle> Nope..  No threshold for it at all.  Yet, easy to deal with and forgiving.
15:03 < RangerZ> ehh
15:03 < RangerZ> I really don't think thats what was needed
15:03 < RangerZ> it was really more of dru not being able to tell everyone to ignore IRC/etc
15:04 < RangerZ> plus, if/when the org goes under, in TN apparently the board members are personally responsible for debts
15:04 < RangerZ> which is why several people who qualify for seats aren't/haven't ran
15:05 <@Dagmar> It was a thing that worked.
15:05 <@Dagmar> Certainly nothing else was getting through the mess
15:06 < RangerZ> yep
15:08 < aestetix> RangerZ: if that's the case, you should appoint Skydog to the board and have everyone else resign.
15:08 < RangerZ> that happened what... 6 years ago?
15:08 < RangerZ> been there, done that
15:08 < aestetix> But then he'd be stuck with all the new debt.
15:08 <@Dagmar> Well, at least we know where this debt came from
15:16 <@rattle> One good year could turn everything around.  That's what you gotta do..  Only option really.
15:17 < _NSAKEY> It's certainly more attractive than the other "options."
15:18 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: I dunno... the virgin goat idea was kinda interesting
15:18 < RangerZ> messy... but interesting
15:29 < RangerZ> ...but where were we going to find a Rabbi and Priest willing to do exorcisms in THAT kind of situation ?
15:32 <@Dagmar> Start with a janitor willing to use Zep El Smoky
15:40 <@Dagmar> It's _totally_ safe--provided you keep it away from all other organic materials.
15:52 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN54vu56iGI HAHAHA the Kansas Gov. was her customer on her _last_ shift after already giving notice
15:52 <@Dagmar> !@#!@# android
15:54 <@Dagmar> Surely there's no weird restriction on passing references to remoteviews to some other class
15:55 < RangerZ> such a stupid story, but its amusing
15:55 < RangerZ> Dagmar: yes there is
15:55 < RangerZ> obviously that would be impossible
15:55 < RangerZ> lol
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15:56 < RangerZ> you CAN, but you have to make sure the View is in the same thread (background threads can't operate on UI elements)
15:56 < RangerZ> but a simple class to do logic, that should work fine
15:58 <@Dagmar> This I'm aware of
15:58 <@Dagmar> Theres' only one thread
15:58 <@Dagmar> I've got a widget that basically just isn't updating
15:59 <@Dagmar> I'm chasing through the mess now trying to isolate where things are breaking
16:01 <@Dagmar> Gonna cross my fingers and reboot the phone
16:01 <@Dagmar> It seems like once a widget has NPEd, it's "done for" forever as far as the phone is concerned
16:01 < RangerZ> I think thats correct
16:02 < RangerZ> see if you can give the widget a 'name'
16:02 < RangerZ> and then retrieve the widget by name
16:02 < RangerZ> fragments work that way
16:02 < RangerZ> I still haven't played with widgets
16:03 <@Dagmar> That's not an issue with widgets
16:03 <@Dagmar> The only Big Ugly with widgets is that when your whatever function gets called, the GC may or may not have reaped everything you ever loved
16:09 <@Dagmar> Oh.  Doh.
16:09 <@Dagmar> int[] displayFields = new int[]{
16:09 <@Dagmar>                     R.id.septicycle_digit1,
16:09 <@Dagmar>                     R.id.septicycle_digit2,
16:09 <@Dagmar>                     R.id.septicycle_digit3,
16:09 <@Dagmar> The old "Lets reference some other id's that don't belong to this widget" trick
16:09 <@Dagmar> *facepalm*
16:09 < RangerZ> yeah... that'll do it
16:11 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Do you have enough reasons to facedesk over Android?
16:11 < _NSAKEY> If not, this is a fun read: http://op-co.de/blog/posts/android_ssl_downgrade/
16:11 < PigBot`> Title: Why Android SSL was downgraded from AES256-SHA to RC4-MD5 in late 2010 (at op-co.de)
16:16 <@Dagmar> ...and another NPE.
16:16 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: "ehh"
16:16 <@Dagmar> Well, at least it's doing it on the right thing now
16:17 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: that just means the code writer wasn't using a customized set of crypto packages and was just saying "give me whatever TLS is available"
16:17 < RangerZ> instead of asking all possible choices and saying which ones they thought were ok
16:18 < RangerZ> hell it even goes into that, lol
16:18 < RangerZ> hell there is really only 1 good option for public key and 1 for private key
16:19 < RangerZ> (by default on all android devices), AFAIK , I'll have to look into it again
16:34 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: But it was actually better pre-2.3.
16:35 < _NSAKEY> That's utterly retarded, and whoever decided that they needed to go back to the way Sun did things needs to be ruined to the point of unemployability in any tech-related job.
16:35 <@Dagmar> "But did you die?"
16:37 <@Dagmar> Fixed!  Now to eliminate that pesky leading zero
16:37 < _NSAKEY> No, but whoever decided that making anything with "RC4" and "MD5" in the name the preferred algo probably should.
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16:49 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: did I tell you i'm looking into how to make Shamir's Secret sharing for java/android?
16:49 < RangerZ> there are some solutions out there, but most are 1) wrong
16:49 < RangerZ> 2) overly complex
16:57 <@Dagmar> 3) potentially contain gluten
16:58 < RangerZ> god i hope so
16:58 < RangerZ> gluten is what makes the world great
17:06 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: You mentioned it before.
17:21 <@Dagmar> There is a box of beef jerky on the counter at the Kwik Sak by Centennial which has a label on it that says '100% GLUTEN FREE"
17:21 <@Dagmar> ...this despite the fact that one of the ingredients is (as per usual) wheat filler
17:21 <@Dagmar> I want to put a sticker under it that says 'for those who can't science'
17:36 < aestetix> So basically
17:37 < aestetix> you could slap "gluten free" stickers on bottled water and sell them for 20% upmarket
17:43 < RangerZ> 30%
17:43 < RangerZ> and it could taste bad ,and people would call it an 'acquired taste
17:43 < RangerZ> '*
17:44 <@Dagmar> Everyone except Nestle
17:44 <@Dagmar> They have wheat right in their logo, so clearly there's gluten in everything they make
17:45 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Has CA made any progress in addressing their chronic water theft?
17:48 < aestetix> hahahaha no
17:50 <@Dagmar> You should find some people to call up and ask about that
17:50 <@Dagmar> Especially considering they've somewhat recently been arguing that a corporations "right" to water overrides everyone else's
17:50 <@Dagmar> THat they've basically been _stealing_ water for a decade now says to me that someone should probably catch some hell over it
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19:04 <@Dagmar> Anyone else see the trailers for Sense8 yet?
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19:19 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9c_KSZ6zMk
19:19 < RangerZ> just watched it
19:19 < RangerZ> looks interesting
19:19 <@Dagmar> Well, they set a precedent giving us the entire season of Daredevil at once
19:20 <@Dagmar> I will be _upset_ if they trickle-feed us episodes of Sense8
19:20 <@Dagmar> JMS *may* be consulting with a certain other author on the plots
19:20 <@Dagmar> Also that asian chick is SOOOO cute
19:21 <@oddball> Netflix has pretty much always dropped all a season's episodes at once for their productions.
19:21 <@Dagmar> So maybe they won't be surprised when the screams of "WHYYYYY!!" rattle their office windows the first time they deviate from that
19:23 < RangerZ> nah, netflix has only trickle fed two series, and those were both just "here they are only done with half of it so far... so here"
19:24 < RangerZ> both kids animated series
19:50 <@Dagmar> WTF is with my mode swap timer
19:51 <@Dagmar> Nevermind.  Copypasta retardation again
19:53 < RangerZ> in an email to my adivsor.... [But either way, the Concurrency stuff is ~100% done, and is the most solid part of all this... (not often you can say that...)]
19:53 <@Dagmar> heheh
19:54 <@Dagmar> SYNCHRONIZE ALL TEH THINGS
19:56 < RangerZ> writing a really nice... (once its done) version of a platform for assignments
19:56 < RangerZ> making use of the state pattern, and strategy pattern
19:56 < RangerZ> using fragments
19:56 < RangerZ> Fragments are like "we MIGHT work" :/
19:57 < RangerZ> I think I need to go back and look at the specifics of the timing constraints of when fragments are 'available'
19:58 <@Dagmar> Heheh
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20:13 < RangerZ> dagmar you want a google news/twitter filter for outrage.... MOE CHRONICLE
20:13 <@Dagmar> huh?
20:13 < RangerZ> another one of those japanese games where it would be Adult Only in the USA despite not showing any nudity
20:14 <@Dagmar> Ah...
20:14 <@Dagmar> "For those waiting for a localized version of the upcoming erotic dungeon crawler Genkai Totsuki Moero Chronicle,"
20:14 <@Dagmar> o.O
20:14  * Dagmar backs away
20:14 < RangerZ> pretty much
20:16 < RangerZ> I was looking at http://www.play-asia.com/ to order a game that won't be out here in the USA for 1/2yr+, and saw that one... and had to chuckl
20:16 < RangerZ> chuckle* since its the sequel to one of the last games that got "omg wtf"(s) , lol
20:16 <@Dagmar> I don't want to know who thought an "erotic" dungeon crawler was a good idea.
20:17 < RangerZ> the Land of the Rising Sun ;)
20:17 <@Dagmar> I guess someone saw a niche that wasn't being serviced and didn't really think about why
20:23 < RangerZ> no, they knew why
20:23 < RangerZ> but they say $_$
20:23 < RangerZ> saw*
20:24 < RangerZ> well... more like... ¥_ ¥
20:24 < RangerZ> but hey... lol
20:31 <@Dickie> Any dungeon crawler is erotic if you believe
20:40 <@Dagmar> Frankly, I prefer "remunerating"
20:59 < _NSAKEY> "Erotic dungeon crawler" sounds exactly like Dagmar's kind of game.
21:04 < RangerZ> not enough goth chicks
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21:09 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: That is what ROM hacks are for.
21:12 < RangerZ> tell his dungeon master that... I think its old lady who lives down by the river in a hut
21:12 < RangerZ> clad in leather and smokes like a chimney
21:19 <@Dagmar> Hardly.  I'm a bit of a purist when it comes to violence and pillaging.
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