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00:40 < RangerZ> so Obama nailed  it tonight at White House Correspondents' Dinner
00:43 < RangerZ> Cecily Strong.... not so much...
00:48 < RangerZ> Sometimes I wish I had an anger translator, lol
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12:24 < aestetix> RangerZ: well at least we know she likes Hillary
12:24 < aestetix> I think the biggest revelation last night was how the press handled the Baltimore riots happening at the same time as the dinner.
12:32 <@oddball> There were riots last night?
12:35 < aestetix> yep
12:36 < aestetix> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/26/us/baltimore-crowd-swells-in-protest-of-freddie-grays-death.html
12:37 <@oddball> huh
12:41 <@oddball> Ouch.  I don't know anything about the incident that caused the protests/riots, but from the story, it kid of sounds like they beat him to death?
12:44 < RangerZ> nope
12:44 < RangerZ> they chained him up, and then DIDN'T seatbelt him in the back of the police van
12:44 < RangerZ> and then gave him a 'rough ride'
12:44 < RangerZ> throwing him around the back of the van violently
12:45 < RangerZ> where he hit his spine on the seat or something else(not exactly known)
12:45 <@oddball> The story aestetix posted states that there's evidence that he had at least some of the injuries before entering the van... on top of the rough ride.
12:45 < RangerZ> no one really knows 'exactly'
12:46 < RangerZ> but it really doesn't 'matter'
12:46 <@oddball> well, there is that.
12:46 < RangerZ> either way, THE COPS caused it
12:46 < RangerZ> and they were negligent in causing/allowing it to be caused
12:47 < RangerZ> unless you are on an episode of House, your spine just doesn't spontaneously seperate
12:47 < RangerZ> separate*
12:47 < RangerZ> lol
12:47 <@oddball> Yeah... that takes a considerable amount of force.
12:47 < RangerZ> interesting.... http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/majoras-mask-new-3ds-xl-now-available-best-buy/
12:48 < RangerZ> anyone without a 3DS and enjoys RPGs, its well worth the buy
12:49 <@oddball> At some point, I should figure out if I want the new 3DS or not.
12:50 < RangerZ> if you have an older one, its 'nice' to have, but you don't NEED it
12:50 < RangerZ> I upgraded to do so, plus I gave my mom my old 3DS
12:50 < RangerZ> so it really wasn't not-worth it for me
12:51 < RangerZ> plus the better CPU does help a lot with the apps, and little stuff, makes it possible to just pick up and play for a few minutes and actually accomplish something
12:51 <@oddball> cool
12:51 < RangerZ> and being able to finally play xenoblade chronicles is nice
12:52 < RangerZ> (which requires 'new' 3ds)
12:53 < RangerZ> finally went and picked up a wii U also
12:54 <@oddball> cool
12:54 < RangerZ> really not 'that' many games I care about, lol
12:55 < RangerZ> but good to have for company/etc , plus there are a few great games
13:01 < RangerZ> splatoon, zelda, starfox, the new mario, capt. toad(puzzle game), and mario kart
13:01 < RangerZ> and a few random  others, like bayonetta 1&2
13:06 <@oddball> Yeah... Naienko and I have decided on a new rule that there has to be at least 4 games for that console that we can't play with our current systems before aquiring the new console.
13:07 <@oddball> That said, I don't think we're going to buy the PS4 or XBone anytime soon just due to those companies' shenanigans.
13:11 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/sycobuny/status/592184796970881024
13:11 < PigBot`> Title: Stephen Belcher on Twitter: "Jesus Christ this photo #Baltimore #FreddieGray http://t.co/SuNFFJdLzi" (at twitter.com)
13:12 < aestetix> That's a pulizter photo right there
13:18 < RangerZ> oddball: shenanigans?
13:19 < RangerZ> i'm aware of MSFT's before the console launched, but since then sony has actually not be stupid, and msft has been 'ehh'
13:21 <@oddball> Oh, just not particularly happy over the whole "yes, it has to be connected to the internet to play a local game" and a box that's always listening to me.
13:21 <@oddball> Don't really care that they changed their minds on those.
13:25 < RangerZ> huh?
13:26 < RangerZ> ps4 doesn't have that
13:26 <@oddball> I was thinking that they did
13:26 < RangerZ> and xbox you don't even have to buy the kinnect anymore
13:26 < RangerZ> nope
13:26 < RangerZ> never had it
13:26 <@oddball> I might by the ps4
13:26 < RangerZ> ps4 is MUCH better when you are connected online, obviously
13:26 < RangerZ> but for single player, rpgs, etc
13:26 <@oddball> I can't get over the name of the 3rd gen system being called the xbox *one*
13:26 < RangerZ> you don't need it
13:27 < RangerZ> yeah...
13:27 < RangerZ> b/c its the "one" box you need in your living room
13:28 < RangerZ> unless you want DVR then you'll need your cable box, unless you want to play xbox 360 games... then you'll need an xbox 360
13:28 < RangerZ> etc
13:28 < RangerZ> lol
13:28 <@oddball> I just can't help but think of the arguments with little grannies wanting to buy little Timmy the latest xbox and the store clerk telling them "yes, that's the Xbox One."  "No... not the first one..."
13:29 <@oddball> Oh, right.  Forgot that the Xbone wasn't backwards compatable.
13:29 <@oddball> enough of this... I'm going to play Sid Meier's Pirates.
13:29 < RangerZ> lol
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15:18 <@brimstone> can you put a cable card in an xbone?
15:18 <@brimstone> ex-bone
15:23 < ShadowHntr> I like calling it the x-bone
15:23 < ShadowHntr> :)
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15:38 < RangerZ> brimstone: nope
15:38 < RangerZ> that would have made too much sense if it had cable/satellite card slot(s) on it
15:38 < RangerZ> and then allowed you to use the HDD inside for PVR
15:50 < RangerZ> but basically they didn't want to piss off Tivo's lawyers, or comcast's, etc
16:17 < aestetix> I am getting tired of seeing people conflate Baltimore and Ferguson
16:17 < aestetix> They are two radically different places.
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16:19 < RangerZ> not really, just one has money
16:19 < RangerZ> lol
16:20 < RangerZ> and some sports teams that no one outside Baltimore can remember the names of
16:22 < aestetix> https://www.brennancenter.org/blog/texas-photo-id-law-blocks-legitimate-voters
16:22 < PigBot`> Title: Texas Photo ID Law Blocks Legitimate Voters | Brennan Center for Justice (at www.brennancenter.org)
16:27 < RangerZ> thats the POINT
16:27 < RangerZ> duh
16:27 < RangerZ> lol
16:39 < aestetix> You'd think in Texas you could just show your belt buckle
16:39 < dfused> well.... there ARE size requirements to keep in mind
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16:55 < aestetix> http://linusakesson.net/programming/tty/index.php
16:55 < PigBot`> Title: The TTY demystified (at linusakesson.net)
17:01 < ShadowHntr> i think i'm gonna get either a ProLiant ML350 or an HP Microserver
17:01 < ShadowHntr> load them up with 2x4TB HDDs and install OpenSolaris, set it up as a storage server.
17:01 < ShadowHntr> RAID Z FTW :)
17:02 < ShadowHntr> so my new work issued me all kinds of cool shit for my workstation
17:02 < ShadowHntr> first, a MacBook Pro
17:02 < ShadowHntr> then, a 27" Apple Thunderbolt display
17:03 < ShadowHntr> third, a keyboard and mouse of my choosing
17:03 < ShadowHntr> which was a Rosewill mechanical keyboard (Cherry MX Black keyswitches) and a Logitech G502 Proteus Core mouse
17:03 < ShadowHntr> pretty excited about being there
17:13 <@Evilpig> one of the new 13" macbook pro's?
17:14 < _NSAKEY> ShadowHntr: Why not FreeNAS?
17:24 < aestetix> I hope you like dongles
17:33 < RangerZ> aestetix: you're talking about the sex shop in Mecca? ohh wait... wrong dongles
18:10 <@brimstone> "32-bit microcontroller"
18:10 <@brimstone> that mouse is dumb
18:14 <@brimstone> i don't think the solutiown is "build a bigger mouse."
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18:26 < RangerZ> http://www.latimes.com/world/asia/la-fg-nepal-quake-aftershock-20150426-story.html#page=1
18:26 < PigBot`> Title: Powerful aftershocks terrify Nepal quake survivors; its death toll tops 2,500 - LA Times (at www.latimes.com)
18:26 < RangerZ> so thats shitty
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19:35 < ShadowHntr> _NSAKEY: I prefer the power of Solaris, and the ability to install more software than FreeNAS has available.
19:36 < ShadowHntr> Evilpig: yeap, my mbp is a early 2015 retina model
19:36 < ShadowHntr> i'm still getting used to it
19:37 < ShadowHntr> how do you do page up on a mac keyboard?
19:37 < ShadowHntr> i still haven't quite figured it out
19:38 < ShadowHntr> hmmm...
19:38 < ShadowHntr> fn+up arrow isn't quite working the way it should
19:38 < ShadowHntr> wonder if it's the terminal emulator i'm using
19:40 <@Evilpig> fn + up arrow
19:41 <@Evilpig> if it's your terminal you might need fn + left shift + up arrow
19:41 < ShadowHntr> probably this terminal emulator
19:41 < ShadowHntr> i'm using MacTerm
19:41 < ShadowHntr> cause it supports macros
19:41 <@Evilpig> term2,  iirc
19:41 <@Evilpig> iterm2
19:41 < ShadowHntr> does that support macros?
19:42 <@Evilpig> maybe?  it does alot of shit
19:42 <@oddball> ShadowHntr: When dealing with a terminal window, you may need to add holding down the shift key.
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19:44 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/p12xu6kjd999y90/Screen%20Shot%202015-04-26%20at%207.44.00%20PM.png?dl=0
19:44 <@Evilpig> this seems dangerous
19:47 < _NSAKEY> ShadowHntr: Is there even an OpenSolaris fork that's still actively maintained?
19:48 <@Evilpig> heheh my cats were so happy to see me come home and now they're over it
19:49 < ShadowHntr> _NSA
19:49 < ShadowHntr> '
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19:52 <@ShadowHntr> sorry bout that
19:52 <@ShadowHntr> yes there is a fork of OpenSolaris
19:52 <@ShadowHntr> the kernel is called Illumos
19:52 < _NSAKEY> But when was it last updated?
19:53 <@ShadowHntr> it's actively updated
19:53 < _NSAKEY> Oh, cool.
19:53 < _NSAKEY> I might have to play with that some time.
19:53 < _NSAKEY> How's the hardware support?
19:53 <@ShadowHntr> there's a desktop oriented distro called OpenIndiana
19:53 <@ShadowHntr> pretty good
19:54 <@ShadowHntr> if you want to run a server without a GUI, I recommend either Nexenta or OmniOS
19:54 <@ShadowHntr> Nexenta used the Debian packaging framework
19:54 <@ShadowHntr> some people used to call it GNU/OpenSolaris
19:54 <@ShadowHntr> cause it uses GNU userland
19:54 < _NSAKEY> I'm one of those weird people who mainly uses a GUI for browser and terminal windows.
19:57 <@ShadowHntr> openindiana.org
20:01 <@ShadowHntr> OI comes with a driver detect utility that detects the hardware and suggests drivers
20:01 <@ShadowHntr> there are some more obscure hardware you might have to find drivers for
20:01 <@ShadowHntr> and it accepts drivers from Solaris
20:02 < _NSAKEY> I'm grabbing the server ISO now.
20:02 <@ShadowHntr> there's also a community developed front-end that allows you to manage your storage pools, software packages and other cool stuff called Napp-it
20:02 <@ShadowHntr> search for it too
20:02 <@ShadowHntr> the desktop and server isos are identical, just the installer for the server is CLI and the desktop is GUI-based.
20:03 < _NSAKEY> I've only dabbled with proprietary unices and their forks before, but am a big believer in doing so.
20:03 <@ShadowHntr> it all runs ZFS of course
20:03 < _NSAKEY> An afternoon of messing around with IRIX a few years back, for example, made me a lot more comfortable with linux when I went back to it.
20:04 <@ShadowHntr> well Solaris used to be closed source, then Sun open sourced it, then Oracle came in and re-closed the program, but only after people spun off OpenSolaris to Illumos and Project Indiana to OpenIndiana
20:04 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, I remember that.
20:04 < _NSAKEY> I actually had an OpenSolaris VM at one point, back when GNOME 2 was still a thing.
20:04 < _NSAKEY> Didn't do much with it, but thought it was a cool idea.
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20:06 <@ShadowHntr> ZFS has NFS and SMB sharing built into the kernel
20:06 <@ShadowHntr> no need for separate config files, they're all ZFS file system properties
20:07 < _NSAKEY> It's really too bad about the licensing conflict with ZFS and the GPL.
20:08 <@ShadowHntr> I don't see why people vilify it, solely cause it's open source license is GPL incompatible
20:08 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, a lot of it is just people looking for something to argue about.
20:08 <@ShadowHntr> i mean i've read the CDDL and I like it.
20:09 <@ShadowHntr> actually my favorite open source license is either one of the BSD licenses, the MIT license, or the University of Illinois/NCSA Open Source License
20:09 <@ShadowHntr> it's hard to explain why
20:09 <@ShadowHntr> er
20:10 <@ShadowHntr> s/MIT/MPL
20:11 < _NSAKEY> I'm a fan of the Free License for its simplicity.
20:11 < _NSAKEY> The WTFPL is pretty much the same thing except with snark.
20:19 < RangerZ> I like dual licenses, FREE one, and then a "pay me money and you can do what you want" one
20:19 < RangerZ> lol
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21:52 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PwL4X99ohs
21:52 < RangerZ> hahaha
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21:54 < RangerZ> [How One Swingers Club Outsmarted Religious Zealots In Tennessee] since pigbot seems to be on a roaster
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