--- Log opened Sat Apr 25 00:00:26 2015
00:06 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: two tin cans and a shoe lace
00:07 < RangerZ> he's lucky, it took him a while to get TCP/IP to work
00:07 < _NSAKEY> TCP/IP over shoestring must have some pretty low speeds.
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00:21 < RangerZ> faster than comcast customer support
00:21 < RangerZ> also ... since I had a feeling she'd show up to this next month's meeting... I figured I'd go see what her ramblings lately have been about...
00:21 < RangerZ> yep "nerdboy" "sex sucking" and... god help us all... https://twitter.com/anarchival/status/587653302277373952
00:21 < PigBot`> Title: anarchival on Twitter: "I GOT MY DRIVERS LICENSE, MOTHERFUCKERS, YOU BETTER CLEAR THE ROADS." (at twitter.com)
00:22 < RangerZ> NSFSanity
00:45 < aestetix> ....
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07:56 <@Evilpig> home sweet home
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15:38 < ShadowHntr> so any excitement in Nashville proper?
15:39 < ShadowHntr> i moved back to Virginia
16:03 <@Evilpig> I heard there was a party going on celebrating some dick leaving, but I had no idea it was you
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16:12 < ShadowHntr> heh.
17:16 < RangerZ> Evilpig: nah, the party never ended when you left
17:17 < RangerZ> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/26/world/asia/nepal-earthquake-katmandu.html well this sucks...
17:32 < RangerZ> 1200+ dead, countless homeless or sleeping in the streets to not die from aftershocks possibly bringing down their homes :/
17:47 < aestetix> that fucking sucks
17:54 < aestetix> I have to pee but the bathroom os occupied. I wonder if the german police would arrest me for pissing out the window
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18:16  * oddball scrolls back
18:17 < oddball> Ah... yeah... there's someone that decides to wander around with a rifle in Michigan every year or so.  Usually makes big headlines, and folks are shocked to find out that it's perfectly legal.
18:19 < oddball> Often times, it results in a lawsuit against the police department, because they decide to arrest the person and the department will respond that they need to "update their training."  Never mind that it's been legal since forever.
18:51 < RangerZ> good point, it shouldn't be legal
18:51 < RangerZ> ohh wait... you might not have meant that
18:51 < RangerZ> lol
18:51 < oddball> Ye syes.. you hate guns.  Guns are evil.  Fuck off.
18:52 < RangerZ> no, i just like poking sleeping bears
18:52 < RangerZ> i enjoy guns, i just find most gun nuts....well... amusing
18:53 < oddball> In this case... I think cops should be beaten over the head with a 2x4 for repeatily making up laws and arresting people who haven't broken the law.
18:55 < RangerZ> nah its probably legal, inciting public fear
18:56 < oddball> On similar note, I love Mayor Dean's response to the passage of the new guns in parks law.  "I will be getting with Metro's legal department to discuss how to enforce this law."  It's pretty simple: see that guy with a gun on his hip?  Is there a school baseball game going on? no? DON'T ARREST HIM.
18:57 < oddball> There is a game going on?  Tell him to leave.  If he doesn't, then arrest him.
18:57 < oddball> There.  I'll send you my bill.
18:57 < RangerZ> thats not a 'law' thats an interpretation , we as a nation have always left it up to the executive branch to determine the best way to enforce laws
18:57 < RangerZ> so his response was correct
18:58 < RangerZ> have the lawyers determine the policy based on what the new law states
18:59 < oddball> It's just the whole "this law is confusing... so... you're telling me that I can't arrest that guy?" tone that he had.
18:59 < oddball> And the law was... oh... maybe half a page?
19:19 < _NSAKEY> oddball: I heard on NPR recently that 1 out of 8 people in the Nashville area are illiterate.
19:19 < _NSAKEY> Just tossing that out there.
19:19 < oddball> heh
19:21 < _NSAKEY> I still wonder if there's a secret burial chamber for him in the convention center that's never going to get fully used.
19:23 < oddball> Here's a sad thing: the new convention center is smaller than the convention center the NRA's convention was in last year in Indy.
19:23 < _NSAKEY> That's not sad, that's just typical Nashville.
19:24 < RangerZ> how is that either sad or bad?
19:24 < RangerZ> convention centers don't need to be giant
19:24 < RangerZ> they need to match the things they are looking to hold
19:26 < RangerZ> b/c honestly its pretty big, IMHO
19:26 < oddball> Because we were sold that we needed a giant world-class convention center.
19:26 < RangerZ> and I still think it qualifies as that
19:26 < oddball> And I've heard several folks question whether the new place is any bigger than Opryland.
19:27 < _NSAKEY> Because Metro wanted a way to conveniently kill off a bunch of strip clubs and adult bookstores all at once, without getting taken to court because they decided to impose morality via legislation.
19:27 < oddball> heh
19:27 < _NSAKEY> That was probably at least 50% of the reason it got placed where it did.
19:28 < RangerZ> and honestly opryland did NOT impress me when we went there this winter to see the "lights" , etc
19:28 < oddball> That said, it is a very nice convention center, and was big enough for something like the NRA... as long as the city is ok with closing down a couple streets for extra convention space, and several of the booths were noticibly smaller to fit people in.
19:29 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: I'm still bitter over Opryland being closed to build a mall.
19:29 < oddball> Yeah... you're not alone.
19:29 < RangerZ> huh?
19:29 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Opryland used to be a theme park.
19:29 < _NSAKEY> The only one around here.
19:29 < RangerZ> ohh
19:29 < _NSAKEY> They tore it down to build Opry Mills.
19:30 < RangerZ> "that worked out well"
19:30 < _NSAKEY> Yup.
19:30 < RangerZ> actually that mall isn't that bad
19:30 < oddball> Not because the theme park was losing money, mind you, but because it wasn't making enough of a profit.
19:30 < RangerZ> but nothing 'special'
19:30 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, but that's where they had that fight between 3 to 150 people a few months ago.
19:30 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, closing Opry Land was purely profit-driven.
19:31 < _NSAKEY> I heard the story about that once, and don't remember all the details, but they got some kind of tax breaks for building it there for X years.
19:31 < oddball> It was also the begining of the downfall of Gaylord.
19:31 < _NSAKEY> They got to X+1 years, and tore it down and replaced with Opry Mills.
19:31 < oddball> A couple years after the mall was built, Gaylord sold their portion of the the mall.
19:32 < RangerZ> malls have become REALLY expensive to operate lately
19:32 < RangerZ> exponentially each year since 2000 or so
19:32 < _NSAKEY> Even just a few years after it was built, it was the worst mall to go to, in terms of auto thefts.
19:33 < _NSAKEY> At least, the worst around here.
19:33 < RangerZ> thats why debartlo sold the boardman mall to simon, and why MOST mall operators did the same
19:33 < oddball> Then they sold the radio station that had been making a steady income for them for forever... then they took a bath buying and selling a couple christian music labels...
19:33 < oddball> Hell, Gaylord doesn't even run the hotel anymore.  Marriott does.
19:34 < RangerZ> how else could we get 'wifi-gate'
19:34 < RangerZ> lol
19:34 < oddball> Pretty much all the do at this point is own the land that the hotel here in Nashville and in Texas stand on.
19:34 < _NSAKEY> I'll be back later. My dog is being an asshat, and seems to want to walk for a while.
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19:34 < RangerZ> give him the leash and tell him to be back in 1hr
19:34 < RangerZ> ;)
19:34 < RangerZ> lol
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19:57 <@Catonic> jesus christ, I think I found aestetix's doppleganger
19:57 <@Catonic> dude wants to argue constitutional law by citing wikipedia.
19:58 <@oddball> Eh... I guess it depends on what he's using it to cite.
19:59 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: He would slaughter most of the people on my street in that time.
19:59 <@Catonic> I retorted an argument and cited to the courts through Google Scholar, he debates that the courts are legislating from the bench.
20:00 <@Catonic> You know, if you're going to argue constitutional law and then say the constitution isn't being followed, is broken, doesn't exist, or the framework void... we got nothing to talk about
20:00 < _NSAKEY> Catonic: Has he started acting like a 10 year old yet?
20:01 <@Catonic> IDGAF at this point. An ad hominem attack would only remove any logical basis or discourse.
20:01 <@oddball> Well... um... since courts are kind of the final interpreters of the law...
20:04 < _NSAKEY> oddball: THE BLACK ROBE MAFIA IS REAL.
20:04 < aestetix> Catonic: I don't do that
20:15 <@oddball> "legislating from the bench" tends to = "made a ruling I don't like."
20:16 <@oddball> Now... SCOTUS declaring that the interstate commerce clause means that the Fed can regulate things that never leave someone's property, much less the state they live in...
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20:18 < aestetix> Catonic: I believe that's generally referred to as judicial activism
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20:26 <@Catonic> he cited a mathematical fallacy, I called checkmate posting the whole list of logical fallacies.
20:26 <@Catonic> since... he was using a fallacy himself to support that argument of fallacy.
20:26 < aestetix> lol
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20:32 <@oddball> aestetix: You need to watch this video about ducks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6k01DIVDJlY
20:32 < PigBot`> Title: True Facts About The Duck - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
21:01 < aestetix> oddball: .... wow
21:01 <@oddball> Thought you'd enjoy that.
21:15 < aestetix> https://news.vice.com/article/the-justice-department-just-declared-that-the-war-in-afghanistan-is-not-over
21:15 < aestetix> How does this even remotely make sense?
21:17 < _NSAKEY> I wasn't aware that the Justice Department had the authority to wage actual wars.
21:32 <@oddball> So... Obama pulled a Bush "mission accomplished?"
21:33 < aestetix> The attorney added that "there's no easy formula that explains where, exactly, to draw the line separating 'war' from 'the end of the conflict," and that the question "is typically determined by the political branches."
21:33 <@oddball> Looks like the DoJ said "yes... it's coming to a conclusion.  It will take us 4 years to finish this conclusion."
21:33 < aestetix> You know why there's no easy formula? Because they are the same fucking thing.
21:56 < aestetix> uh oh
21:56 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xjIWxj9uCI
21:56 < PigBot`> Title: GamerGate Hater Brianna Wu Has TheRalph Ejected From Panel For Tweeting Photo - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
21:59 < aestetix> I'm pretty sure that unless your talk is explicilty off the record, you sort of become a public figure at that moment
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22:00 < RangerZ> plus you don't have the right not to be recorded
22:00 <@Evilpig> that is a man
22:00 <@oddball> And it's a fairly standard thing for you to imply consent to have your picture taken/videod at a convention.  Especially if you're on a fucking panel.
22:01 < aestetix> RangerZ: you can request that the conference not record you
22:01 < aestetix> but that's a bit different
22:01 < RangerZ> thats why the guy who recorded Romney's talk didn't go to jail, etc
22:01 < RangerZ> yes, but there is a difference between con rules and 'law' rules
22:01 < RangerZ> which was my point
22:01 < aestetix> right
22:01 < aestetix> I was referring to con rules
22:01 < RangerZ> who cares
22:02 < RangerZ> just means there isn't youtube video for her to make $ off of
22:02 < RangerZ> I'm just waiting for bionic eyes to have recorders in them
22:03 < RangerZ> and MPAA/RIAA/etc to cry sweet sweet tears
22:03 < RangerZ> lol
22:06 < aestetix> It's a little odd, but within reason, for a speaker to request a specific individual not be at their talk.
22:06 < aestetix> It's totally unreasonable for the speaker to request that person be removed from the con, unless there is a clear reason.
22:08 < aestetix> Normally I'd tell Wu to grow a pair, but that seems inappropriate.
22:10 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/TheRalphRetort
22:10 < PigBot`> Title: TheRalph (@TheRalphRetort) | Twitter (at twitter.com)
22:11 <@Evilpig> the dude could be a stalker and it wouldn't matter.  if you're speaking in public then you have no reasonable expectation of privacy and can be photographed, filmed, etc.  con rules or whatever...  those would just be a courtsey and generally folks speaking do it to be seen.
22:11 <@Evilpig> publicity stunt through and through.
22:11 < aestetix> agreed
22:12 < _NSAKEY> It's like at this last PN that none of you went to.
22:12 < _NSAKEY> There was a talk by a guy about his time as a "black hat."
22:12 < _NSAKEY> He requested that it not be recorded.
22:12 < _NSAKEY> Some guy who goes by The Mystery Taper was supposed to have a talk the day before but didn't show.
22:12 < _NSAKEY> He does bootleg recordings and the like.
22:12 < _NSAKEY> It was pointed out that he could have snuck his audio gear in and recorded that unfilmed talk.
22:13 <@Evilpig> that's understandable.  you might want to talk about a topic but not want public recognition for it.
22:13 <@Evilpig> if you're going on the news, msnbc etc, then you want the recognition
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22:15 < _NSAKEY> This is pretty ridiculous sounding.
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22:15 < _NSAKEY> When I was at bsides, there was a guy wandering around taking pictures of everyone. Nobody minded.
22:15 < aestetix> At HOPE last year we introduced a photography policy that basically said ask for "consent"
22:15 < _NSAKEY> This woman just sounds like a nutter.
22:15 < aestetix> and we deliberately left it up to interpretation
22:16 < aestetix> It actually did come in handy when a photo of someone showed up in a news article, because they wanted it taken off.
22:16 < aestetix> So the reporter switched it with another photo. No harm done.
22:17 < aestetix> Although I'm pretty sure the reporter would have done it without a policy.
22:17 < _NSAKEY> If you're at something like that and want to be anonymous, buy a Guy Fawkes mask and STFU.
22:19 <@oddball> Oh, she is.
22:20 <@oddball> Short version of gamergate: poke trolls for being trolls.  Be shocked when they are, in fact, trolls.  Profit.
22:20 < _NSAKEY> I don't keep up with all the manufactured outrage on twitter, but this girl sounds like a professional victim just from reading this article.
22:21 <@oddball> yup
22:21 < _NSAKEY> I'm sure she's had some 4chan-style ruin come her way, but this particular story is just dumb.
22:22 < _NSAKEY> And honestly, the gamergate crowd strikes me as more the type who would be troll fodder, as opposed to trolls.
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22:31 < aestetix> It appears there is a history between this guy and her
22:33 < _NSAKEY> That isn't surprising.
22:33 < _NSAKEY> That could explain why she wanted him out.
22:37 < aestetix> Yeah.
22:38 < aestetix> It's an isolated incident, but due to the fact pattern of their interactions, I think there is reason to believe it was an act of provocation.
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23:17 <@Catonic> blocked that fucker and moved on
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