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00:29 <@klixa-cloud> I guess I missed all the stuff that made him rage-want-deopped
00:34 < _NSAKEY> You did.
00:35 < _NSAKEY> It was more of the same, really.
00:35 <@klixa-cloud> later I wil get someone to pastebin it lol
00:36 <@klixa-cloud> irc=free entertainment :|
00:48 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/bpowell42/status/586701709117935616
00:48 < PigBot> Title: Bob Powell on Twitter: "Speaker dinner for @bsidesnash w/@jack_daniel. Any resemblances to historic images are in the mind of the viewer. http://t.co/eJalfJ9rxC" (at twitter.com)
00:49 < Catonic_> lol
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00:50 < _NSAKEY> I was arbitrarily proclaimed to be Judas.
00:50 <@Catonic> _NSAKEY: yes, that's true. otoh, rebooting can be a bit of a bitch from time to time.
00:51 <@Catonic> particularly when you're virtualized and the system comes up without the appropriate kernel, drivers, or just says eff you and goes home for the day...
00:51 <@Catonic> omg backscroll drama
00:58 <@klixa-cloud> yup
01:00 <@klixa-cloud> I'm glad I never clicked that link
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01:16 < RangerZ> Catonic: thanks for letting me know there was even drama throughout the day... b/c honestly I had chat open and didn't even catch that
01:20 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: There's some SWEET new stuff in AS
01:20 <@Catonic> I just got up to date on the backscroll
01:20 <@Dagmar> I just changed the lead part of an XML tag and it replaced the end tag at the same time.
01:20 <@Dagmar> FINALLY.
01:21 <@Catonic> but I also remember the incessant posts aestetix made before goatse.cx was taken down. He's always been that way in that way.
01:21 <@Catonic> rattle brought up some exceptionally good points as well; me vs him has never worked in this community, and you do need a thick skin.
01:22 <@Catonic> the internet treats censorship as damage, it routes around it. this being the place it is, everyone should be suspicious of any link, because you never know when one webpage will contain a live 0day exploit.
01:23 < RangerZ> Catonic: yeah, but I've told aestetix that he loses all respect when he posts that shit -when asked not to- and then insults people's family, etc.
01:23 <@Catonic> then again, internet-dick-measurement isn't the best idea either, because if you say "I have 30 years of experience in telephony related stuff" ... well, this is *2600, which means everyone else probably does too.
01:24 <@Catonic> SSA... yah, metoo. so is everyone else here now. many of them managers too.
01:24 < RangerZ> thats the issue too, b/c we need people under the age of 30 in here
01:24 < RangerZ> lol
01:25 <@Catonic> that's the challenge, I'm finding... you have to create an environment where people can do the exciting, that fosters exploration and learning ... without limiting expression while containing damage.
01:25 < RangerZ> and I think the lack of age-diversity is actually hurting, we can't easily attract new people
01:25 <@Catonic> that's a long-standing issue in ham radio as well.
01:26 < RangerZ> Ham radio still exists?
01:26 < RangerZ> lol
01:26 <@Catonic> my crib notes say that you have to find what they like to do and connect them to a way to do it... lead or just prod them in the right direction, let them enjoy the learning, but don't deny them the cost of experience.
01:27 <@Catonic> yes, it does. and thanks to 3.55 GHz WiMax, it's now capable of MIMO mesh at 90Mb/s.
01:27 < RangerZ> I was being sardonic
01:27 <@Catonic> ... just _try_ to convince anyone to spend $250 on a microwave radio that plugs in the computer though....
01:27 <@Catonic> I understand and get that. =P
01:28 < RangerZ> I just spent ~450$+300$+150$ on professional grade audio gear (so that I could play with it)
01:28 <@Catonic> Dagmar: that's the "do not want" that I'm going to have to deal with to condense my XML placemarks
01:28 <@Catonic> run through the BNA pawn shops? ={
01:28 < RangerZ> and made recordings in my spare bedroom (while the AC is on, b/c fuck all that dying in heat BS)
01:29 <@Catonic> *=P
01:29 < RangerZ> Catonic: it was cheaper to buy new on amazon
01:29 <@Catonic> you can use RADAR absorption techniques with acoustic foam to absorb the A/C blower noise
01:29 <@Catonic> or non-symetrical walls
01:29 < RangerZ> and even I wouldn't buy microwave antenna that plugs into my PC, lol
01:30 <@Catonic> someone has a "build your own bass trap" page somewhere. those make all the difference.
01:30 < RangerZ> I'd be afraid I'd accidentally kill myself, lol
01:30 < RangerZ> Catonic: that wasn't the -only- reason I bought it, just a nice bonus
01:30 <@Catonic> I mean you install a curved or square-tube duct and line it with insulation, along with the outside
01:31 <@Catonic> is RF really still black magic to everyone?
01:33 < RangerZ> honestly, yes
01:33 < RangerZ> for myself, I just don't play with it -at all-
01:34 < RangerZ> its one of those "it works, why would I bother with it more" kinda of "black magic"(that you said)
01:35 < RangerZ> wireless stuff impresses me, I just don't play with it much, I kinda just accept what the EE says like "NFC has a max range of 10CM, but really just 2~3CM in most cases" and just go from there
01:36 < RangerZ> played with zigbee stuff before, but that was still protocol based and not 'really' wireless at all
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03:30 <@Dagmar> Grrr...
03:31 <@Dagmar> Android Studio is doing the weird thing again
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05:08 <@Dagmar> Is it bad that I can now _fling_ my application list once and have it stop on my package?
05:40 <@Catonic> ... no.
05:40 <@Catonic> Also, I have epic ADHD.
05:47 <@Dagmar> I've just removed and reinstalled the widget package _that_ many times
06:37 <@rattle> Ahhh, it's been a long time since I caused some good channel drama.
06:38 <@rattle> https://citizenlab.org/2015/04/chinas-great-cannon/
06:48 < aestetix> rattle: get my email?
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06:49 <@rattle> aestetix: Yeah, sounds like an interesting agenda.  Nice speaking slot.
06:49 <@rattle> Where is that taking place?  It doesn't say.
06:50 <@rattle> Pretty sure I can't make it..  But who knows..
06:50 < aestetix> Thanks.
06:50 < aestetix> It's online.
06:50 < aestetix> So it's webex
06:50 <@rattle> Ah.  Well, if there is a link to that let me at it.  Thursdays are my least available day typically, which sucks..
06:50 < aestetix> I'll probably send an email to libtech or something today or tomorrow.
06:51 < aestetix> Ok. I think it will also be recorded.
06:51 < aestetix> And unlike Harvard, I can't say "fuck" here :p
06:51 <@rattle> Technically, you did drop the f-bomb at Harvard.
06:51 < aestetix> Not technically, absoutely.
06:53 <@rattle> So did we learn any useful lessons last night about posting exploitative porn to the channel?
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06:55 < aestetix> rattle: that Bahhumbug does not like it.
07:07 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I still want to see a boxing match between you and bahhumbug
08:06 <@Dagmar> rattle: lol Baidu
08:08 <@rattle> Like the NSA hasn't used Google as a third-party pawn before..
08:08 <@Dagmar> Well, I just got _used_ to seeing Baidu run vulnerability scans against our servers
08:08 <@rattle> All's fair in love and espionage..
08:08 <@rattle> Badiu does do some clever things, doesn't it?
08:08 <@Dagmar> THey're not even subtle about it
08:09 <@Dagmar> They'll be scanning your web pages and right in the middle, 30 lines of very obvious attack techniques against Wordpress
08:09 <@Dagmar> They've automated vulnerability searches for some time now
08:10 <@Dagmar> I am baffled why people assume there must be some _outside_ agency affected Baidu's traffic
08:10 <@Dagmar> er affecting
08:51 <@Catonic> rattle: dude, you didn't cause the channel drama. but you did effectively Dad that shit out.
08:53 <@Catonic> wait, aestetix spoke at Harvard?
08:56 < aestetix> yup
08:59 < aestetix> Catonic: it's on youtube
09:00 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: how you feeling? nervous ?
09:16 < aestetix> question
09:17 < aestetix> if a company is public (post-IPO) do they have to make all their financials public?
09:23 < RangerZ> aestetix: in the USA i'm assuming you mean?
09:23 < RangerZ> different countries have different laws
09:23 < aestetix> yes in the US
09:24 < RangerZ> in US they have to make it available to share holders
09:24 < RangerZ> if nothing else
09:24 < aestetix> well that's still oversight
09:24 < aestetix> so if I wanna see financials of Microsoft, I buy a share and then demand them?
09:25 < RangerZ> sure, but you'll only get the 'review'
09:25 < RangerZ> not the details
09:25 < RangerZ> they have cut down on "whats required for a company" as a way to "cut down on government regulations"
09:48 <@Catonic> ... of course.
09:48 <@Catonic> more proof of corruption or regulatory capture
09:49 <@Catonic> and the minute you make any allegations, they start burning and shredding
10:10 <@rattle> You can see the see the basic P&L and financial reporting of all public companies.  That's part of what it means to be public.
10:12 <@rattle> http://www.microsoft.com/investor/SEC/default.aspx
10:12 < PigBot> Title: Microsoft Investor Relations - SEC Filings (at www.microsoft.com)
10:13 <@rattle> Anything beyond what's in the public filings is considered insider information.
10:16 <@rattle> And anything submitted to the SEC has to be verified by third-party auditors.  Hence, it can be treated as fact.  Where the corruption usually comes in is in terms of how the numbers are compiled.  That's where government regulation and industry standards such as GAAP come into play.
10:17 <@rattle> If you really want to dive into the weeds, the place you start is with the footnotes on the filings as that's where companies must divulge things they consider risks to their business that can effect future earnings.
10:19 <@rattle> There are constant changes to the standards applied to what must be included in filing footnotes.  The biggest recently is that breaches and whatnot must be disclosed.  That's why every BoD out there is suddenly getting interested in security.
10:19 <@rattle> Catonic: Call me Daddy.
10:42 < aestetix> http://billmoyers.com/2015/04/07/living-high-life-congress/
10:42 < PigBot> Title: Living the High Life After Congress | BillMoyers.com (at billmoyers.com)
10:49 < RangerZ> ok... that kinda sucks
10:49 < RangerZ> fell back asleep and am late to bsides
10:49 < RangerZ> lol
10:51 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eh0etPM4SxI this is really intersting
10:51 < PigBot> Title: Pain: A Political History (w/ Keith Wailoo) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
10:51 < RangerZ> the (political) history of pain in the US
10:52 < RangerZ> how we got SSI for disabled, how 'pain' became a medical condition itself and not just a symptom of a gun shot/lost arm/etc after ww2
10:53 < RangerZ> very left leaning interview-er, but the talk itself is historic not political (for those who care)
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15:03 <@Dagmar> http://www.theguardian.com/society/2015/apr/11/cannabis-smokers-risk-poorer-grades-dutch-study-legalisation <-- LOL No, really?
15:03 < PigBot> Title: Cannabis smokers warned they risk poorer exam grades | Society | The Guardian (at www.theguardian.com)
15:03 <@Dagmar> I thought everyone was already clear on the concept of "smoking yourself stupid"
15:07 < aestetix> uh
15:07 < aestetix> Wait, is that suggesting that you are not as good taking tests when you're stoned?
15:14 <@Dagmar> Crazy, right?  Heheh
15:15 <@Dagmar> Seems a bit like a study to determine that it's harder to stay cool when you're on fire.
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16:47 < aestetix> Evilpig: http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/04/10/marissa-mayer-shuffles-yahoo-leadership-team
16:47 < aestetix> ouch
16:47 < aestetix> David Karp got demoted
16:49 <@brimstone> where does Mayer get off promoting a MAN!?
16:52 <@brimstone> wow, you guys got Bahhumbug to leave?
16:52 <@brimstone> i'm impressed
17:02 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/586989196222533632
17:02 < PigBot> Title: InfoSec Taylor Swift on Twitter: "(Via @thisisdebasish) http://t.co/cxZUIODoHR" (at twitter.com)
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17:24 <@Evilpig> aestetix: I already knew and it's not really a demotion for him.  he's still doing the same thing he was he's just now reporting to the new guy who's sole job is to work with all the other yahoo groups to get them using tumblr as their publishing platform
17:34 < RangerZ> tumblr drama, lies... that never happens
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19:48 <@Catonic> lawd. today is exhaustion
19:50 <@SuMo_D> yes
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22:22 <@Evilpig> ARGGGGGGG!  fuckin' power button on the 3ds again.
22:27 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: You're not the only one with that complaint http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/997614-nintendo-3ds/71309886
22:27 < PigBot> Title: New Nintendo 3ds stupid power button placement - Nintendo 3DS Message Board for 3DS - GameFAQs (at www.gamefaqs.com)
22:28 <@Evilpig> I've opened a tech support request with them directly on it too
22:28 < _NSAKEY> Good. Nintendo needs to have their UI deficiencies called out.
22:28 < _NSAKEY> Maybe it will help them improve in the future.
22:29 < _NSAKEY> I've never even seen a 3DS in person.
22:29 < _NSAKEY> That looks like a really bad place to put a button with such an important function.
22:30 < _NSAKEY> Makes me wonder why they went away from the power switch on the Game Boy.
22:30 < _NSAKEY> That thing was pretty much perfect, I thought.
22:32 <@Evilpig> It wouldn't be such a problem if merely touching the power button didn't close the game you're in immediately with no warning
22:32 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, something as important as a power button should require more force to activate.
22:33 < _NSAKEY> Especially if you're going to place it in such a way that it can be accidentally triggered.
22:33 <@Evilpig> the only times I hit it are when I have to support the console with my right hand and I have my thumb on the nub to control the camera.  it shifts my little finger just perfectly to hit the fucking button
22:35 < _NSAKEY> Just think, at some point the 3DS will be emulated well.
22:35 < _NSAKEY> Then you can use your own controller, and never worry about the power button again.
22:38 <@Evilpig> yeah... see.. I like carrying around my 3ds.
22:42 <@Evilpig> these dickbags...  http://www.reddit.com/r/3DS/comments/2w1ocr/major_complaint_about_the_new_3ds_power_button/con0wxz
22:42 < PigBot> Title: Dragmire800 comments on Major complaint about the New 3DS power button (at www.reddit.com)
22:43 <@Evilpig> "how are you holding it?  you aren't supposed to have your pinkies down there"
22:43 < _NSAKEY> There's probably some how-to script to follow for trolling 3DS users.
22:43 < _NSAKEY> And that guy is following it.
22:44 <@Evilpig> one of these other guys in the thread has a great idea.  removing the power button but leaving the inner switch is a great answer
22:48 < _NSAKEY> Does his solution involve a step which includes the words "Stare directly into the sun?"
22:48 <@Evilpig> nope.  just voiding the warranty by opening the case
22:48 <@Evilpig> I'm thinking about it
22:49 <@Evilpig> it's just cracking the case and removing the plastic cap on the button but the rubber bit under the cap would still be functional just not poking out of the case
23:06 <@Evilpig> yup that's it.  tomorrow morning when I goto work i'm gonna grab my super tiny screw driver set and remove this cap
23:07 < _NSAKEY> Did you do it again?
23:10 <@Evilpig> yup
23:12 <@Evilpig> https://d3nevzfk7ii3be.cloudfront.net/igi/daw55G12a2SnBt2S
23:13 <@Evilpig> button there at the top left. should be uber easy to take out
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