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00:14 < RangerZ1> well I found a plan that everyone in this room can support from the EPA... to set the 16 million pounds of artillery propellant .... to light it on fire
00:16 < RangerZ1> b/c the shit is so toxic and -spontaneously combustible- ... they were afraid of moving it to incinerators, lol
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00:38 <@oddball> Wait... there idea for artillery propellant is to light it on fire?!
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02:39 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgyI5VLqrLw so apparently they clogged and backed up the toilet
02:39 < PigBot`> Title: “Smelly Poo” Causes British Airways To Turn Back International Flight - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:50 < RangerZ1> wow....
02:50 < RangerZ1> this story... was like custom written for this channel.....
02:50 < RangerZ1> http://www.pixable.com/article/send-a-bag-of-dicks-to-someone-99823
02:51 < RangerZ1> [Now You Can Send A Bag Of Dicks To Someone You Hate, And They’re Edible, So There’s That]
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07:19 < aestetix> https://www.scribd.com/fullscreen/259083922?access_key=key-meVtfpIQg825SZo7mWnM&allow_share=true&escape=false&view_mode=scroll
07:19 < PigBot`> Title: Scribd (at www.scribd.com)
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08:41 <@Evilpig> rofl.  'Kylie Jenner is only 17 years old, but that doesn’t mean the Internet can’t stare at her implants in a see-through top. Mostly because Chris Hansen can’t fight us all. Or can he?'
08:44 <@Dagmar> WHo the fuck lets a 17-year old have implants?
08:45 <@Evilpig> famous people that have nothing else to keep them that way
08:48 <@Evilpig> There was that 16 year old chick that did several years ago.  she didn't look 16 at all either.  Courtney Stodden
08:58 <@Dagmar> I'm kidna glad I missed all that
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10:22 <@Mirage> Evilpig: so, did Raymer bail on us?
10:23 <@Evilpig> I haven't heard yet.  he shouldn't have any reason to unless he's planning on working hte entire weekend
10:23 <@Evilpig> the hotel has been paid for
10:23 <@Evilpig> another day, another set of openSSL bugs.  http://openssl.org/news/secadv_20150319.txt
10:24 <@Mirage> I'm pondering it.  Been planning on leaving this morning since last year when the dates were picked...and of course last night as she was leaving for work, he wife informs me that she has a required training meeting tonight at 5:30.
10:24 < Synx|hm> why didn't philips and ge go with z-wave instaed of zigbee ugh
10:25 <@Mirage> Evilpig: he was pissing and moaning to me on the phone about how tight money was last week and acted like he might not even be able to afford to drive there.
10:26 <@Mirage> Which sounds like typical Raymer fatalism instead of truth, but who knows..
10:28 <@Mirage> On a sep note, I watched Hell Baby and Lynch Mob last night...omg are those horrible movies.
10:30 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Being that it's presently undergoing a massive and detailed code audit, that should come as no surprise
10:35 <@Evilpig> Mirage: I told dolemite to tell him if money is to tight that between us we would cover him even if that means just coming out of my pocket.
10:35 <@Evilpig> hell baby is hilariously bad.  the best part is that chick from garfunkel and oates is in it.  full frontal and completely not hot.
10:35 <@Mirage> Evilpig: And I told him the same thing..."Don't worry about it, pig will pay for it."  =)
10:36 <@Mirage> Evilpig: yeah..She's just annoting
10:36 <@Mirage> er, annoying
10:39 <@Evilpig> she was funny as shit just popping in and all.  
10:40 <@Evilpig> and the black dude.  fernel?  he's a riot
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10:43 <@Evilpig> I just realized I need to check the train schedule
10:43 <@Evilpig> I think I have to catch the 2am train again
10:45 <@Evilpig> w00t! I don't
10:45 <@Evilpig>  Depart : NEW BRUNSWICK at 4:49 AM
10:46 <@Evilpig> I can catch the 4:14 or 4:49.  not a problem
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11:30 < aestetix> interesting
11:30 < aestetix> US THREATENED GERMANY OVER SNOWDEN, VICE CHANCELLOR SAYS
11:30 < aestetix> oops
11:30 < aestetix> https://analytics.usa.gov/
11:30 < PigBot`> Title: analytics.usa.gov | The US government's web traffic. (at analytics.usa.gov)
11:30 < aestetix> In the bay area, you'd think 90% of the users would be on macs
11:30 < aestetix> but 60% are on windows
11:43 <@benthemeek> aestetix: on the topic you mentioned yesterday about you rather have good code than diversity in the development process; I would argue I want both
11:44 <@benthemeek> (in regard to a review process or lack thereof when it comes to Linux)
11:45 <@benthemeek> Perhaps I still operate under this notion that how you treat people(character) is the real measure of a person
11:46 <@benthemeek> Its one of the reasons why I can't understand why people really mourned Steve Jobs so much but I digress
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11:47 <@benthemeek> In any case I think people could be civil with each other and it would waste less time than the sort antagonistic emotional attacks on a person when they are submitting code or whatever
11:48 < aestetix> benthemeek: it's hard to say. I think a lot of the folks who are complaining about Linus now are entitled whiney babies.
11:49 <@oddball> It's not like Linus is known for going off on a tantrum or anything. :p
11:49 <@benthemeek> aestetix: I don't disagree. It is a weird line to walk
11:49 < aestetix> oddball: there is at least one person calling for him to be removed from the kernel group because of his attitude.
11:49 <@benthemeek> I don't want PC and much as I want kindness
11:50 <@oddball> right
11:50 < aestetix> benthemeek: I would rather people simply be real.
11:50 < aestetix> Which includes kindness, it also includes epic rants.
11:50 <@Dagmar> The problem is the same thing _children_ experience when they argue with their parents
11:50 <@Dagmar> People are acting out because mean old Linus stops them when they want to do stupid things.
11:50 <@oddball> like systemd?
11:51 < aestetix> So basically, everyone is bitching about Linus's tantrums, but nobody is stopping and saying "wait, these idiots are also throwing tantrums"
11:51 <@Dagmar> They submit terrible code that ignores the guidelines and standards for quality, and expect it to just immediately replace older code that actually doesn't fuck up and/or wasn't written naievely
11:52 <@Dagmar> There is a _reason_ that Linux has gotten as far as it has, and that's entirely because of the _actual_ experts who were writing it
11:52 <@Dagmar> ...not the actions of precocious new coders with their flavor-of-the-month methodologies
11:52 < aestetix> So basically, these children come along, and demand to be treated as royalty, when they haven't done anything worthy of it.
11:53 <@benthemeek> I am all for rejecting bad code
11:53 <@Dagmar> Nor are they producing code worthy of being treated as royalty
11:53 <@benthemeek> I am talking about the civility in which it is done
11:53 <@Dagmar> There's the parent-child problem
11:53 <@Evilpig> fuck civility.  there are times when people are being stupid and need to be told they are being stupid and treated accordingly
11:53 <@benthemeek> When you get emotions involved it just creates a eculation
11:53 <@benthemeek> esculation* however it is spelled
11:53 <@Dagmar> Do you explain to your kids about how fire spreads and destroys everything, how microbes spread, the various mechanisms behind tooth decay/
11:54 <@benthemeek> You mean rather than just tell them no?
11:54 < aestetix> benthemeek: you are a hippie
11:54 < dfused> and this upcoming generation and their demand to be handled with kti gloves is another part of what the hell is wrong with our society....
11:54 <@benthemeek> lol maybe
11:54 <@Dagmar> No, most of them time you say "Brush your teeth", "Clean your room", "Don't play with lighters" and you punish and scold them when they refuse, because there just aren't enough hours in the day
11:54 <@Dagmar> ...and in this role, Linus is dealing with _hundreds_ of children
11:54 <@Dagmar> He is severly time-bound
11:55 <@benthemeek> Is there a lot of difference between "That is not a good idea" and "You are stupid"
11:55 <@Dagmar> He cant spend the time it takes to coddle every sensitive little ego.  He's just got enough time to approve or reject submissions, and he generally reserves the lambasting for people who are repeatedly submitting code of dubious quality and then pitching a fit that it's rejected
11:55 <@benthemeek> I would say yes there is
11:55 < aestetix> benthemeek: the problem with civility is 1. it requires everyone to practice it 2. it takes time
11:56 <@Dagmar> MAYBE some of these people could stand to hear that they're being stupid
11:56 < dfused> +1
11:56 <@benthemeek> Saying someone is stupid accomplishes nothing really
11:56 <@benthemeek> maybe it makes the sayer feel better
11:56 <@Dagmar> ALl the coddling is how they got to the point where they think hastily-written, poorly documented, and untested code is a good idea
11:56 < aestetix> benthemeek: if someone tries to steal money from you, you might be civil. If they try to do it ten times in a row, would you be civil with them the tenth time?
11:57 <@Dagmar> Certianly these people have heard worse for far less justification
11:57 <@benthemeek> That sounds more like a process problem aestetix
11:57 < aestetix> No, it's a they don't listen and learn because they are entitled babies.
11:57 <@benthemeek> shouldnt there be some filtering before obviously bad ideas can irritate the same people over and over
11:57 <@Dagmar> The process problem is that there's a lot of people hot to submit their fresh new code, and they're clogging up the system
11:57 <@Dagmar> They need to learn to measure twice, cut once.
11:58 <@benthemeek> Dagmar: Indeed, to that I don't disagree
11:58 < aestetix> Dagmar: has it been getting worse in recent years?
11:58 < aestetix> This is starting to remind me of all the new idiots in the bay area.
11:58 <@Dagmar> ...and if they want to have their stuff not be kicked back out, measure three times, test the ruler, then cut some sample fabric and see how that works out, THEN measure five times, test until destruction in the privacy of their own build environment, document the entire thing, and THEN submit
11:58 < aestetix> well also
11:59 <@Dagmar> ...because _that_ is the level at which the existing codebase was written.
11:59 < aestetix> If they submit bad code, it's like they are expecting their daddy (Linus) to handhold them and do the hard stuff so they don't have to.
11:59 <@Dagmar> It would be a different matter if Linus went around telling people they were a bunch of hopeless retards
11:59 <@Evilpig> in the case of systemd he should
11:59 <@Dagmar> Instead, he's just "hard".
11:59 < aestetix> haha
12:00 <@Dagmar> ...and seriously, anyone bitching about Linus should take a long hard look at TdR and *then* decide if they really want to complain.
12:00 < aestetix> Hahahahaha
12:00 <@benthemeek> aestetix: I agree it is totally ridiculous thought to think that linux and other big contributers should take time to teach; again it seems a process problem
12:00 <@benthemeek> linus*
12:00 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: Well, it would be nice if there were *time* but Linus is one guy and he's getting swarmed by people who just don't take things very seriously
12:00 < aestetix> benthemeek: no, it's an entitlement problem
12:01 <@Dagmar> THey think if they write the code and submit the code, then other people should be the ones to take the time to _fix_ the things they didn't see
12:01 < aestetix> there is a clear process, it's just that these children don't think it applies to them
12:01 <@benthemeek> I am merely stating that language matters. You can reject people without attacking them personally. Different ideas can be expressed without attacking the character of the people that express them. That is what I am driving at
12:02 <@Dagmar> That's a nice idea but it's a bad comparison
12:02 <@Dagmar> The number of "outbursts" from Linus is a few times a year
12:02 <@Dagmar> ...compared to *thousands* of submits.
12:03 <@Dagmar> You can't "fire" bad/lazy coders who are doing it for free.
12:03 <@benthemeek> I am not even meaning specificlly Linus; think about RTFM that used to be shouted so much
12:03 <@Dagmar> You can only reject their submissions
12:03 <@benthemeek> There is a problem with the culture often in our field that borders on extreme arrogance
12:03 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: That was generally being said by people who either learned what to do _from_ that documentation, or _wrote it themselves_
12:04 <@Dagmar> I used to write a lot of docs, and if I said "RTFM" it was because there was no damn point in my typing something in a hurry that I already sat down and wrote carefully and calmly with a more expansive time budget.
12:04 <@Dagmar> If someone won't read the documentation that's already out there, what's the point of writing a short and lesser-scoped summary that they'll just ignore as well?
12:05 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: That last statemnet you made highlights the problem
12:05 <@benthemeek> In regards to the Linus deal it sounds like there isn't enough heirarchy or process if he has to weigh in on obviously poorly written stuff
12:05 <@Dagmar> It's not "arrogance".
12:05 <@Dagmar> It's actually a considerably higher standard to meet
12:05 <@Dagmar> Let's say you started playing tennis...
12:06 <@Dagmar> What call would you have to throw a fit because you decided the new and hot thing was to hold your racket upside down... and you had to play doubles with someone who's been playing tennis professionally for a decade?
12:06 <@Dagmar> ...and your tennis partner, who _is_ an actual expert, said what you're doing is wrong and thoughtless.
12:07 <@Dagmar> How well did it go when you were teaching your kids to tie their shoes?
12:07 <@Dagmar> You've been doing it for 20+ years, right?
12:07 <@Dagmar> Them?  Less than a week.
12:07 <@Dagmar> How well do you think it would work if your kids decided you really just knew slightly more than you did, and just started tying double-knots in the laces?
12:08 <@Dagmar> er slightly more than they did
12:08 <@Dagmar> That's the core problem
12:08 <@Dagmar> These noobs don't know just how far down the rabbit hole goes.  They've no concept of it.
12:08 <@Dagmar> They used to dealing with a hole they dug in an afternoon.
12:08 <@Dagmar> Not a tunnel that's just about to reach China.
12:09 <@Dagmar> So they show up, see a new hole, go off, and buy 100 foot of nylon rope and call it good.
12:09 <@benthemeek> Dagmar: I don't disagree with anything you have said. I only am stating that personal attacks should have no place in dialog.
12:09 < dfused> thats the teenager problems they never grew out of... older ppl are just old and stupid
12:09 <@Dagmar> dfused: Yeah that's the other issue that crops up repeatedly
12:09 <@Dagmar> Wunderkind who suddenly wind up in an environment where they are no longer _special_
12:09 <@Dagmar> ...because bloody *everyone* is a wunderkind.
12:10 <@benthemeek> dfused: But the opposite is also a issue. Experienced older people see the next generation as more worthless more lazy than them
12:10 < dfused> and when some older person is just plain tired of the ongoing generations of stupidity... they say somethign mean....and tey youngers get all butt hurt about it as if I'm supposed to respect every bit of worthless crap they churn out like its golden and everyone deserves a gold star on the board
12:10 <@Dagmar> That's because they _are_ lazier
12:10 < dfused> yup
12:10 < dfused> well...most of them
12:10 <@Dagmar> They have not yet had the time to learn from their own mistakes, so they're not taking things with the seriosness that the older heads do
12:10 < aestetix> benthemeek: one issue is that computers have become trendy
12:11 <@Dagmar> They cut corners, not realizing that their "rare edge case" is acutally going to occur rather a lot when the program is run _billions_ of times
12:11 <@benthemeek> What bothers me about that point of view is that it has been true since written words were recorded for every older generation.
12:11 < aestetix> So there's a massive imbalance between experienced and newb.
12:11 <@Dagmar> Linux and most of the core old-school stuff that runs on it was designed to _never_ fail.  ...to run 24/7/365.  Not to just run "almost all the time" or on "almost all the things" or to make "five nines"
12:12 <@Dagmar> It was designed to either run or tell someone in detail why it couldn't.
12:12 <@Dagmar> There is no "mostly" there.
12:12 < aestetix> Dagmar: I like your RTFM bit.
12:13 < aestetix> I mean the reason someone writes a book is often so they don't have to repeat the same stuff over and over again.
12:13 <@Dagmar> aestetix: I used to really burn my ass that people would expect me to sit down and coddle them when I'd already written an incredibly detailed explanation
12:13 <@Dagmar> It's inefficient to just write the same stuff over and over in lesser forms
12:13 <@benthemeek> So if that is the root of the problem; too many newbs and not enough experience which seems to be a systematic thing how do you get the newbs to be more experienced? I dont think it needs to be a gauntlet in which you survive a bunch of personal attacks
12:13 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: You wait for them to have kids and deal with one that thinks they've decided double-knots are a great idea
12:14 < aestetix> Heh.
12:14 <@Dagmar> THEN they start to understand how deep the rabbit hole _actually_ goes
12:14 <@benthemeek> heh
12:14 <@Dagmar> I'm not even joking
12:14 < aestetix> And find the rare few who actually get that they aren't special.
12:14 < aestetix> Or who are actually good and making stuff.
12:14 <@Dagmar> This was the split I had from a lot of the people in ITS at Vandy
12:14 <@Dagmar> They had zero concept of just how much care needs to be taken with things
12:15 <@benthemeek> Dagmar: I find that true myself
12:15 <@Dagmar> They'd been working for woo-woo two or three years in an environment were basically, _nothing_ happens if they fuck up
12:15 <@Dagmar> Give 'em another eight years or so, and maybe they'll start taking the idea of calls at 2am being an incredibly bad thing, _seriously enough_ to take some of the proper steps in design and maintainability
12:16 < dfused> heheh.... -sigh-  the newbs wanting the rules to be more relaxed for them cause it hurts their feelings and they dont feel it should apply to them cause its too hard.  thats not new either.. lol
12:16 <@Dagmar> THey don't see that going that whole ten years without actually being involved and invested in continuous self-improvement means that they'll wind up with a giant mess with ten years of _crap_ in it
12:16 <@Dagmar> They need to let go of that ego.
12:16 <@Dagmar> The correct response to being told you're acting dumb isn't to get butthurt about it
12:17 <@Dagmar> It's to step up your game.
12:17 < dfused> +10000
12:17 < aestetix> I think one of the issues is that the coming of age that used to happen when you're a teenager doesn't happen until mid-20s now
12:17 < aestetix> or at all
12:17 <@benthemeek> I think you hit the nail on the head, the problem is ego. The question I have is the method we go about fixing it
12:17 <@Dagmar> Take the sponges off the playground.
12:18 <@Dagmar> You've been to Dragon Park, right?
12:18 < aestetix> benthemeek: get the parents out of the schools ;)
12:18 <@benthemeek> In my bible training I learned that jewish men (Jesus) weren't considered an adult until they were 30
12:18 <@benthemeek> I think they might have the right thinking on that
12:18 <@Dagmar> There's freaking _rubber sponge_ on the ground around all the playground equipment.
12:18 <@Dagmar> It's almost impossible for kids to hurt themselves there, no matter how stupidly they behave
12:18 < aestetix> benthemeek: that's also why you can't be in Congress until you're 25, and POTUS until you're 35
12:19 <@Dagmar> So, when their parental unit tells them that they're doing something dangerous and they're likely to hurt themselves, and then they continue and _don't_ get hurt, they think "Oh well, dad doesn't know that much."
12:19 <@Dagmar> ...and when they're fifteen you see them trying to ride their skateboard _off the roof of the house_ onto a _folding table in their front yard_ and they're so sure of themselves due to their limited experience that they've actually gotten a camera prepared and are putting it on YouTube
12:20 <@Dagmar> ...and the laws of physics quietly say "COMPOUND FRACTURE TIME, BITCH."
12:20 <@benthemeek> I don't knwo about that Dagmar. I think the lessons are there even with rubber foam (which I am not saying I am for). You still die in video games. You still get set back for mistakes in many areas in life. Its part of life
12:20 <@Dagmar> The laws of physics do not care how special or talented you are.
12:20 <@Dagmar> LOL dying in video games
12:21 <@Dagmar> That's generally what now... having to run through two empty corridors again?
12:21 <@Dagmar> That's not a penalty.  It's a minor setback.
12:21 <@benthemeek> I mean there are consequences for actions. There always are and always will be
12:21 <@Dagmar> Some of these people should be asked to paint something
12:21 <@benthemeek> I don't think safety is the root of the problem with Ego. I am not really sure what it is
12:21 <@Dagmar> ...and I mean _really_ paint it properly, not just slap a coat of whatever's handy on something.
12:22 <@benthemeek> In china when you arent good at math the teach makes you stand at the board until you understand the problem
12:22 <@Dagmar> You missed the point of my explanation.
12:22 <@Dagmar> Safety has nothing to do with it.
12:22 <@Dagmar> Refusing to realize that one is _wildly_ out-classed and under-experienced is.
12:23 <@benthemeek> That is called the Dunning Kreuger Effect. It happens everywhere
12:23 <@Dagmar> Not understanding your limitations is great when you're starting out
12:23 <@Dagmar> It gives you the motivation to try things that will likely fail but you will otherwise learn from
12:23  * benthemeek nods
12:23 <@Dagmar> Once you are pushing the boundaries of the state of the art tho', that's no longer going to cut it
12:24 <@Dagmar> That's when you _have_ to step up your game, and begin considering a wide range of possible occurrences, and then preparing a response and counter to all of them
12:24 <@Dagmar> ...because otherwise, you're still just throwing stuff together and _hoping_ it works
12:25 <@benthemeek> Are there programs that exist that will look at poorly written formatted code and give explanations ?
12:25 <@Dagmar> ...or expecting that you'll be able to evade the consequences of your poor planning by just figuring that other people will fix it later.
12:25 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: That's one of the really nice features of a good IDE
12:26 <@Dagmar> AS will tell you outright if you're doing something so stupid that someone else had time to _code software_ that can actually recognize your fail before it hits the hardware.
12:26 < aestetix> jesus another round of facebook drama
12:26 <@benthemeek> It seems like a good barrier someone would need to overcome before human eyes ever have to see it
12:26 < aestetix> "Facebook closing accounts w/assumed names hits members of minority faiths who are trying to avoid workplace backlash. Have YOU been deleted?"
12:26 <@benthemeek> yikes
12:26 <@benthemeek> Heading to lunch. Thanks for the discussion
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14:01 <@Dagmar> Oh _that_ is funny
14:02 <@Dagmar> oddball: When you played Tales from the Borderlands, did you try and skip the credits?
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14:05 <@Evilpig> hahaha.  watching it's always sunny in philadelphia and frank just got someone to take a bite out of a literal shit sandwich
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14:15 < RangerZ> http://funnyand.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/Youve-been-warned.jpg
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14:34 <@Dagmar> RangerZ++
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14:42 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ab-swkfaV9s
14:42 < PigBot`> Title: Did Net Neutrality Just Kill the Possibility of a Free Internet, or Pave the Way for It? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:42 < RangerZ> so apparently the new FCC rules DO override state laws preventing municipality broadband
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14:49 <@_NSAKEY> RangerZ: I didn't think that was even up for debate.
14:49 < RangerZ> I wasn't sure it was 'in' the final version
14:49  * RangerZ hugs Dickie and his new website that sends bags of edible dicks that you can send to your enemies 
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14:53 <@Dickie> I fight for the user
14:57 < RangerZ> but only root or r00t users?
14:57 < RangerZ> benthemeek: r00t :/
14:57 < RangerZ> lol
15:08 <@Evilpig> Dickie: I fight for fried chicken
15:14 < RangerZ> Evilpig: lies, you fight for melatonin ;)
15:15 < RangerZ> and soul(s) ;)
15:15 < aestetix> jesus is this actually a startup idea
15:15 < aestetix> "My startup stocked office kitchens with personalized snacks every week"
15:15 < aestetix> http://yvonne.posthaven.com/a-not-so-obvious-reason-to-apply-to-yc
15:15 < PigBot`> Title: A not-so-obvious reason to apply to YC - yvonne's posthaven (at yvonne.posthaven.com)
15:16 < aestetix> So they are basically a catering company calling themselves startup
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15:18 < RangerZ> so?
15:18 < RangerZ> catering needs startup funds
15:19 < RangerZ> if I wanted to start a lighting company, I'd need start-up funds ;)
15:21 < aestetix> yes, but would you make an iphone app and apply to y combinator?
15:21 < RangerZ> sure
15:21 < RangerZ> I'll take money from fools
15:22 <@Evilpig> is there a used lightning market?
15:22 < RangerZ> yes
15:22 <@Evilpig> are you only going to generate new lightning?
15:22 < RangerZ> I'm talking about concert/even lighting
15:22 < RangerZ> not home lightbulbs
15:22 < RangerZ> event*
15:22 <@Evilpig> I'm talking about thunderbolts!  ZEUS UP IN THIS BITCH!
15:23 <@Evilpig> come on....  give it to me ... that was good....
15:25 < RangerZ> I'm not Dolemite this weekend, I'm not going to sneak into your bedroom at night and give it to you...
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15:54 < aestetix> RangerZ: are there weekens where you *do* play as Dolemite?
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16:19 < RangerZ> don't you wish you knew ;)
16:41 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Apropos of nothing, this guy's accent and pronunciation drives me batty https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vk7VKUFOlbY
16:41 < PigBot`> Title: #2 Android Fragment Lifecycle Part 1: Android Application Development Tutorial [HD (at www.youtube.com)
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16:46 < RangerZ> Dagmar: he needs to be stabbed
16:47 <@Dagmar> I woulnd't go _that_ far
16:47 <@Dagmar> Perhaps a month of speech training would go a long way tho
16:47 < RangerZ> listen to NPR, etc
16:47 < RangerZ> but yeah
16:47 <@Dagmar> The guy has not spent much time talking with native English spaakers
16:47 < RangerZ> yeah
16:48 <@Dagmar> He clearly knows the words, but he doesn't have any grasp of the different pronunciations of various homonyms
16:48 <@Dagmar> No idea that content (something inside a container) and content (Nirvana) are not pronounced the same way
16:49 <@Dagmar> I wasn't a whole lot different when I was six years old
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16:59 < RangerZ> I had issues saying 'death' when I meant 'deaf' , and 'pacific' when I meant 'specific' when I was young too
17:00 < RangerZ> so I get it
17:00 < RangerZ> but growing up in Ohio and years of speech therapy to get rid of my NC accent ... took care of that ;)
17:00 <@Dagmar> This wasn't a matter of an accent or a speech impediment
17:01 <@Dagmar> I'd just never _heard_ most of the words I'd read.
17:01 < RangerZ> yeah
17:01 <@Dagmar> I started reading at age two
17:01 <@Dagmar> Yes, this is highly unusual.
17:01 <@Dagmar> It's also highly unusual to remember it
17:02 <@Dagmar> I was at the babysitters and "pretending" to read the newspaper, although I was muddling along on words way bigger than were in my children's books
17:02 <@Dagmar> Mainly I was picking out the words I recognized and trying to work out the rest as I went along
17:02 <@Dagmar> ...then I got to the stock page.
17:02 <@Dagmar> I couldn't make head or tail of that.
17:03 < RangerZ> don't worry, neither can economists
17:03 < RangerZ> ;)
17:03 <@Dagmar> The _babysitter_ then realized that I actually *was* reading, not just pretending
17:03 <@Dagmar> I just didn't know anything much beyond my alphabet and a few words
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17:04 <@Dagmar> I think it was another six months before my parents realized I was reading
17:04 <@Dagmar> I had a Reader's Digest taken away from me and I complained because I wanted to finish reading it
17:04 <@Dagmar> "If you were reading that then what was it about?"
17:05 <@Dagmar> It was some Jack London thing or whatever about being in the woods
17:05 <@Dagmar> Jaws dropped
17:06 <@Dagmar> I remember how it felt in my head when it started "clicking" that those squiggly marks on the page were not only letters, but that the letters (usually) formed words, and if I plugged at it, I could piece together what the words were based on the sounds of the letters
17:06 <@Dagmar> So, by the time I hit kindergarten I was reading above the level of most sixth-grade kids
17:07 <@Dagmar> Kindergarten teacher _hated_ me, because I read faster than she did.
17:07 <@Dagmar> lol
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17:12 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eigOAW2NWlo
17:12 < PigBot`> Title: OK House Passes Bill Restricting Marriage to Christians & Jews - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:13 < aestetix> uh
17:13 < aestetix> yeah that won't get challenged
17:14 <@Evilpig> I need a /window close 20:60
17:14 <@Evilpig> someone get on that
17:16 < aestetix> why don't okahoma and kansas just fucking secede
17:18 < RangerZ> part of me thinks that he's slightly wrong, but i'm not 100% sure
17:19 < RangerZ> but either way 'marriage' is for religious institutions, and 'civil common law marriage' is for everyone else
17:20 < aestetix> right
17:22 < RangerZ> yeah because "separate but equal" worked out so wonderful for the US in the past :/
17:22 < RangerZ> i swear to gods..... these people don't want 1950s anymore they want 1850s
17:22 < RangerZ> I'm just waiting for the 'of the same race' to pop up in the bill
17:22 < RangerZ> If I was a democrat, I'd propose that amendment to it
17:23 < RangerZ> democrat in their house/senate*
17:23 < RangerZ> why do thinks by 1/2 measures
17:25 <@Dagmar> I have a better idea
17:26 <@Dagmar> Let's make civil unions for everyone, and leave marriage as strictly a religious affectation
17:26 < RangerZ> ding ding ding
17:27 <@Dagmar> We should let marriage be strictly a religious institution with no standing in law whatsoever
17:27 <@Dagmar> ...and I say this because it's on the basis of their _religious_ teachings that so many people have decided that certain people shouldn't be allowed to "get married".
17:28 <@Dagmar> Law should not enforce religious beliefs
17:28 < aestetix> Dagmar: that's kind of the point of the first amendment.
17:28 <@Dagmar> Yeah, well good luck explaining that to the asshats we have now
17:28 <@Dagmar> That stuff was written _long_ before they were born
17:28 <@Dagmar> If they were going to "get it", they'd have surely gotten it by now
17:29 <@Dagmar> They're just being willfully ignorant twats
17:29 <@Dagmar> By the way...
17:29 <@Dagmar> Next week I'm going after Facebook to get my name changed _back_ to "Dagmar d'Surreal".
17:30 <@Dagmar> I changed it to "Dagmar D. Surreal" just to get past the stupid web form
17:30 <@Dagmar> I *will* start a shitstorm with them over it
17:35 < aestetix> dumb question
17:35 < aestetix> can you set a jump or zero flag in gdb?
17:36 < aestetix> I guess let does it
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20:14 <@RangerZ> ugh... a black guy was just found hung by a tree in Mississippi
20:14 <@Evilpig> did they take his shoes?
20:14 <@RangerZ> lets hope it was a suicide....  "hope"
20:19 < dfused> how about the black mentally ill guy who was just shot down on his porch in Dallas
20:24 <@RangerZ> well that was his fault
20:24 <@RangerZ> being black in TX
20:24 <@RangerZ> duh
20:25 < aestetix> RangerZ: that is fucked up
20:25 < aestetix> jesus
20:26 < dfused> ha.... nah.. he was probably just atheist
20:26 <@RangerZ> he was the trifecta ... the #1 group to be shot by police in cities are black males (thats +2) and outside cities the #1 group to be shot by police is the mentally ill (thats +1), that just means he was asking to be shot
20:30 < aestetix> I just freaked someone out
20:30 < aestetix> because I haven't seen all the star wars movies
20:31 <@RangerZ> all 3?
20:31 < aestetix> RangerZ: so black retarded atheists are fair game for hunting in the south?
20:31 < aestetix> I am pretty sure I saw the first (episode 4)
20:31 < aestetix> I don't know about 2 and 3 though
20:31 < dfused> goddammit....  fuck my grits up
20:31 < dfused> +ed
20:32 <@RangerZ> aestetix: as long as you are outside a county with a state university or federal gov't research center.... then pretty much
20:34 < aestetix> how do they know you're atheist?
20:34 < aestetix> because you don't go to church?
20:34 < aestetix> or because you wander around announcing it to everyone
20:39 <@Dickie> FUCK MY GRITS UP
20:39 <@Dickie> SMACK MY BITCH UP
20:40 < dfused> w3rd
20:44 < aestetix> wait
20:45 < aestetix> RangerZ: what about being gay
20:45 < aestetix> I woud think black gay atheist is the trifecta
20:45 < dfused> naw.... they are FABULOUSSSSsss ....lol
20:48 <@RangerZ> the south loves gay porn
20:48 <@RangerZ> its the #1 region that watches gay porn in the US
20:49 < aestetix> yeah but they don't openly love it, right?
20:49 <@RangerZ> ehh
20:49 <@RangerZ> http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/03/19/0055204/lyft-ceo-self-driving-cars-arent-the-future this lying Lyft CEO just doesn't want his drivers realizing that they will be useless soon
20:49 < PigBot`> Title: Lyft CEO: Self-Driving Cars Aren't the Future - Slashdot (at tech.slashdot.org)
20:51 <@RangerZ> I'd easily pay 200$/mo to not have to have a car/car payment/insurance, but be able to have a car pick me up from home/work, and then get bigger SUVs/trucks for groceries or camping/etc
21:04 <@Shadow404> Explaining Black holes, time dialation, tidal forces,  and spaghettification to a co-worker during lunch. Me = #geek : https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-XtTIzW5HlcY/VQtxrMU65HI/AAAAAAAANzQ/qla3DQK3TLs/w1504-h846-no/event_horizon.jpg
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21:21 < aestetix> you know what's more awesome than self driving cars?
21:21 < aestetix> working, useful public transit
21:22 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: you drew on your napkin... so you went back to work with food on your face.  who's the smart guy now?
21:23 <@Shadow404> lawl
21:26 < RangerZ> aestetix: self driving cars ARE useful public transit
21:27 < RangerZ> just more individualized
21:27 < RangerZ> which is what americans want / (need b/c of our crap city planning)
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21:33 <@_NSAKEY> RangerZ: What planning?
21:33 <@_NSAKEY> Your implication that American cities are planned by any means aside from who is getting little brown envelopes is kind of funny.
21:34 < aestetix> RangerZ: I'm not sure how being stuck in a traffic jam is more individualizing than being on a train.
21:35 <@_NSAKEY> aestetix: Now you're just being retarded on purpose. Please quit typing.
21:36 <@_NSAKEY> If you actually don't understand the fact that a car holds fewer people than a train, then your stupidity is beyond words.
21:39 < aestetix> I was referring to a scenario where a car is considered the same as a person on a train.
21:39 < aestetix> Of course I hate cars and ideally would never own one again.
21:40 <@_NSAKEY> The problem is where to run the tracks.
21:40 <@_NSAKEY> The railroads got out of the passenger car business in the 70s or so, because they didn't make any money off of it compared to freight.
21:40 <@_NSAKEY> There was a rather crackheaded plan to run a mono-rail along the median of I-24 here, but that died the horrible death that it deserved.
21:41 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: well, we didn't have any issue figuring out where to run roads.
21:41 <@_NSAKEY> A lot of the main roads started as animal trails or were just wherever the horse wandered.
21:41 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: my grandfather designed all but the 2 roads that cut my home township into quadrants, and the township has the busiest 2,3,5th intersections in the state, but I've never been stuck in traffic
21:41 <@_NSAKEY> You remember how the area around the Days Inn was such a festering shithole?
21:42 < RangerZ> and population over 50k, and the shopping center of the tri-county
21:42 < RangerZ> 'was' ?
21:42 <@_NSAKEY> Dickerson Rd started out as a buffalo trail, long before it became an open air drug and prostitution market.
21:43 <@_NSAKEY> The interstates are where they are largely due to politics.
21:43 <@_NSAKEY> Sure, the broad strokes were pre-ordained, but the exact route each one takes usually involved a bunch of 50s mayors calling in political favors to have it run near their town.
21:44 < RangerZ> so this weekend is VandyHacks.... is it fair to take my software that generates REST API HTTP servers + apps that can CRUD that info
21:44 < RangerZ> hehe
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22:34 < RangerZ> aestetix: you're in trouble
22:35 < RangerZ> apparently twitter is facilitating you getting a police report from comments you mark as harassment
22:35 < RangerZ> and following that trend Freenode has decided to do the same ;)
22:36 <@oddball> for fucks sake.
22:38 < RangerZ> ?
22:39 < RangerZ> actually I'm all for police reports being easily possible from social media
22:39 < RangerZ> -something- needs to be done to clean up youtube comments/twitte
22:40 < RangerZ> you get nicer/more helpful comments on 4chan now a days compared to the two previously
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23:18 < aestetix> what
23:18 < aestetix> RangerZ: what?
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23:53 <@_NSAKEY> Youtube comments can be cleaned up by disabling youtube comments.
23:53 <@_NSAKEY> You just have to kill that cancer with fire and cut your losses.
23:55 <@_NSAKEY> Twitter's idiot users are largely easy enough to ignore, while still retaining the ability to read the tweets of worthwhile people.
23:56 <@_NSAKEY> Youtube, by contrast, has always had utterly useless comments, and would be better off without them.
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