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07:39 <@Dagmar> Damn
07:39 <@Dagmar> This guy makes decent videos, but he occasionally leaves something _major_ out
07:55 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: http://files.explosm.net/comics/Dave/virgins.png
07:55 <@Evilpig> go ahead and print that and take it to work with you today
07:56 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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08:41 <@Evilpig> why must it be so difficult to identify dimms?  ugh
08:42 <@Dolemite> Not enough light?  *rim shot*
08:51 < aestetix> rattle: am I correct in thinking Milton Friedman would have loved Bitcoin?
08:51  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
08:52 <@rattle> Not sure, actually.
08:52 <@rattle> Good question to think about.
08:53 <@rattle> I think he would have seen it as a noble experiment, but not something you'd want to base an economy on.
08:53  * aestetix nods
08:53 <@rattle> Which is sorta how I see it..
08:54 < aestetix> I'm basically thinking because the value of Bitcoin is strictly defined by the supply. In theory.
08:54 < aestetix> In the same way that, in Monetarism, the interest rate is defined by inflation.
08:54 < aestetix> (ala Paul Volcker tanking the economy in 1979)
08:58 < aestetix> (for those not in the know.... basically in 1979 inflation was running rampant because of low interest rates, so Volcker raised them to insane levels, so nobody would take out bank loans anymore... which meant fewer businesses opened, which meant less capital was floating around, etc)
08:58 < aestetix> IIRC, the idea being that it was better to raise interest rates manualy to tank the economy before inflation killed it by way of a bubble and made the outcome way worse
08:58 < aestetix> rattle: do I have that about right?
09:01 < RangerZ1> milton friedman was quick witted, and good at twisting arguements of questions asked, without ever answering the original question. Though from what I can tell, he wants feudalism where he is the king
09:02 < RangerZ1> because that worked so well for the world (EU/Africa/Asia/Middle East) ....
09:02 < aestetix> RangerZ1: so he was a good politician
09:02 < RangerZ1> Aussy-land and the America(s) it actually kinda worked, b/c there was more land than people
09:03 < RangerZ1> but once you have a limited set of 'something', you need a set of social constructs setup to guard (via force) from theft/etc
09:04 < RangerZ1> )(also ignore the human sacrifice of some of the native americans
09:04 < RangerZ1> that'll happen when you have base 60 math
09:04 < RangerZ1> (yes, confalting the two... but still funny), lol
09:04 < aestetix> we have base 60 math
09:04  * aestetix looks at the time
09:05 < RangerZ1> nope, thats base 24
09:05 < RangerZ1> lol
09:05 < aestetix> uh
09:05 < aestetix> 60 seconds in a minute? 60 minutes in an hour?
09:05 < aestetix> how is that base 24
09:05 < RangerZ1> just rounding errors
09:05 < RangerZ1> shhh
09:05 < RangerZ1> lol
09:06 < aestetix> ah brilliant! ok you're now in charge of Iraq
09:06 < RangerZ1> nah
09:06 < RangerZ1> the % of theft there is beyond that
09:06 < RangerZ1> how do you think the CIA got so much money
09:06 < aestetix> anyways
09:06 < RangerZ1> buy buying 500$ hammers?
09:06 < aestetix> whether milton friedman was right or wrong....
09:06 < RangerZ1> lol
09:06 < aestetix> well look at what happened to bitcoin by way of speculation
09:07 < RangerZ1> aestetix: who said bitcoin is anything like a currency, its a speculation market
09:07 < RangerZ1> always has been, and still is
09:07 < RangerZ1> its legally taxed as a 'property'
09:07 < RangerZ1> not a currency
09:08 < RangerZ1> properties have a set value, currencies don't.... wait....
09:08 < RangerZ1> lol
09:09 < RangerZ1> I love that FED is thinking of stopping the only stimulus our economy has in it right now, and their only concern is that inflation is _under_ 2%
09:09 < RangerZ1> I really want to ask an economist what happens when population grown starts declining....
09:10 < RangerZ1> its already happening in all 1st/2nd world countries, India's population is suppose to stabalize by 2050 or 2060
09:10 < RangerZ1> give women the right to use condoms +and education => decreased birth rate, lol
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09:22 < Synx|hm_> welp putin is alive, too bad
09:23 <@CRasH180> He was putin on a front
09:23 < dfused> its a traaaaap
09:23 < dfused> CRasH180: damn... well played
09:24 < Synx|hm_> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w1FLZPFI3jc
09:24 < PigBot`> Title: Gene Wilder - Young Frankenstein (1974) - Puttin on the Ritz - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
09:24 < dfused> lmao... loooooove that movie
09:24 < Synx|hm_> so so so good
09:25 < Synx|hm_> i fear most of the youngsters these days are not aware dr. frankenstEin
09:27 < dfused> its a shame
09:28 < dfused> of course... not many ppl remember the movie Yellowbeard either
09:28 < Synx|hm_> ya its sad my comic favorites, wilder, aykroyd, chase, steve martin, all getting so old :(
09:29 < dfused> yup
09:30 <@CRasH180> Yeah, well. So are we
09:30 <@CRasH180> older at least
09:30 < Synx|hm_> ya my hairline reminds me every morning
09:30 < Synx|hm_> and my increasing frequent and intollerable (sp?) bowel movements
09:30 <@CRasH180> It talks to you?
09:33 <@CRasH180> I never saw Yellowbeard
09:34 < dfused> you can find it on amazon prime now.   its harder to watch now that we've been molded to need constant flashy stimulation in movies.. but still funny
09:35 <@CRasH180> Ah, well, will need to watch it
09:35 < dfused> lots of somewhat monty pythonesque humor
09:35 < dfused> which figuers wince python ppl are a part of it...
09:36 < dfused> damn keyboard
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09:40 < Synx|hm_> as an aside, martin short has not aged
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09:48 < Synx|hm_> i greatly miss phil hartman
09:54 < dfused> gilda
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09:55 < aestetix> Synx|hm_: oh?
09:56 < aestetix> Synx|hm_: where is this news about Putin
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09:57 <@Bahhumbug> You mean it's not on your beloved twatter?
09:57  * aestetix hugs Bahhumbug 
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09:59 <@Evilpig> damn dell.  I spend more time debugging their remote access shit
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09:59 < aestetix> http://www.cnn.com/2015/03/16/world/russia-putin/index.html
09:59 < PigBot`> Title: Russia's Vladimir Putin makes first public appearance in 10 days - CNN.com (at www.cnn.com)
09:59 <@Evilpig> it's a body double
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10:00 < dfused> doppleganger
10:00 <@Bahhumbug> Oh look.  You figured out how use something other than twatter.  Maybe there's hope for you yet.
10:00 <@Bahhumbug> Nah...
10:00 <@Evilpig> twitter?  damnit... you had my hopes up for something called twatter
10:00 <@Evilpig> vaginas as far as the eye can see...
10:01 <@Bahhumbug> @google vaginas
10:01 < PigBot`> Bahhumbug: Error: "google" is not a valid command.
10:01 <@Bahhumbug> Sigh...
10:01 <@Bahhumbug> I really hate your bot :/
10:01 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: has it really been that long that you have to google what a vagina is?
10:03 <@Bahhumbug> Nah.  I just have to see you here to be reminded what a cunt is.
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10:10 < Synx|hm_> ITS A WOOT OFF!!!
10:10 < Synx|hm_> take my money
10:11 <@Evilpig> that's not a bad deal actually
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10:12 <@CRasH180> Synx|hm_: Saw that as well
10:14 < Synx|hm_> wtf is going on with the power in antioch/cane ridge
10:15 < Synx|hm_> friday it was on off on off on off
10:15 < Synx|hm_> now its doing it again today
10:16 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm_: if they told you, then they'd have to kill you
10:16 <@Evilpig> then there'd be another day of off on off on off on
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10:26 < aestetix> Wow.
10:26 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/broderick/status/577450821371199488
10:26 < PigBot`> Title: Ryan Broderick on Twitter: "Ive said it before and Ill say it again, Satan is awesome. http://t.co/WpH263mEdW" (at twitter.com)
10:26 < aestetix> It *is* true
10:31 <@CRasH180> I need a new monitor and laptop. Sounds like a good time to hit up woot
10:31 < aestetix> heh
10:31 < aestetix> http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/16/us-germany-immigrants-idUSKBN0MC10R20150316?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews
10:31 < aestetix> add one to that list
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11:21 < Synx|hm_> so um
11:21 < Synx|hm_> power down again
11:21 < Synx|hm_> my main UPS is only on my network stack and file server
11:21 < dfused> well, its good to have them tested from time to time
11:21 < Synx|hm_> im afriad to ask my mgr if i can expense another UPS because i just told him 30min ago i was leaving my position for a job in sales
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11:27 <@Evilpig> are you selling UPS's?
11:27 < Synx|hm_> no ha, i work from home so i get to expense some of my home computer gear
11:28 < Synx|hm_> was hoping to make a pitch for needing a UPS because i cant do work when the power keeps going out
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11:31 < aestetix> Synx|hm_: wow, sales?
11:31 < aestetix> are you doing tech work right now?
11:31 < Synx|hm_> yes VoIP
11:31 < Synx|hm_> its a sales engineer role
11:31 < aestetix> oh
11:31 < Synx|hm_> at my same company
11:31 < aestetix> I was gonna say sales is a totally different beast
11:31 < Synx|hm_> so not true hard up sales but still
11:31 < Synx|hm_> ya
11:34 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: The report is more of a rant than a formal this is what we did wrong so we will be rewriting it
11:35 <@benthemeek> Elonka and company are really committed to keeping a professional face and a higher standard in the communication from the org
11:36 < aestetix> lol phreaknic == professional?
11:37 <@oddball> benthemeek: This is my shocked face.
11:37 <@oddball> I meant to come to the meeting, but I wasn't feeling well yesterday.
11:37 <@benthemeek> We played a round of catan and then stone age after
11:37 <@benthemeek> You should have ;)
11:38 <@benthemeek> But I understand
11:38 <@benthemeek> incidently I havent sent the email but the minutes from the meeting are up on the archive http://bit.ly/SE2600
11:38 < PigBot`> Title: SE2600 (at bit.ly)
11:39 <@Evilpig> so by rant you mean....  wilpig sabotaged us at every turn and fucked us over even though he was publically saying don't do this it's a giagantic mistake ready to happen
11:41 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: It wasn't professional and it was more than just you, we aren't going to let that stand
11:41 <@Evilpig> but come on... I want to hear the rant about me
11:41 <@Evilpig> I wasn't even there to really cause shit
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11:42 <@Evilpig> in all seriousness if you expected anything out of of dru other than excuses, you were all lying to yourselves
11:43 <@benthemeek> In its current form I think it will just esculate negative feelings etc. this is not something we want so we will take it as a rough draft
11:43 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: btw what are you speaking about at PhreakNIC this year?
11:43 <@Evilpig> wuss.  let me have it.  come on... tell me how I sunk the ship
11:45 < dfused> its a traaaaaaap
11:45 <@benthemeek> You know how people have a few drinks and go off on all that is wrong with the world? This is that sort of thing. It shouldnt be taken seriously. We aren't. We spent a bit of time really focusing on whats gone wrong for the past few years and _NSAKEY can tell you
11:45 <@benthemeek> as*
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11:46 <@benthemeek> dolemite: elonka was asking about geeknic last night and thinking she might want to come
11:46 <@benthemeek> Do you know who all is going to be there? The size of the group I mean?
11:47 <@Dolemite> 1,000,000 peoples!@#%!@#$!@
11:47 <@Dolemite> How many are you bringing, benthemeek?
11:48 <@oddball> For the record: I won't be there this year.  Going to MidSouthCon instead.
11:48 <@Dolemite> Since there's no registration - because it's a social gathering rather than a convention - there's no real tracking, other than asking people in here
11:48 <@Evilpig> notlarry said he's coming with icephoenix and haydeez in tow
11:48  * Dolemite glares at oddball, again
11:48  * Evilpig pisses on oddball 
11:48 <@Dolemite> Mirage + wife are coming
11:49 < aestetix> so a protip I have just discovered
11:49 <@benthemeek> Well my bunch will be 9
11:49 <@benthemeek> but that counts 5 kids
11:49 <@Dolemite> So sounds like just under 20
11:49 < aestetix> if you have a book of checks that has an error that prevents the check from clearing
11:49 < aestetix> it is a great way to put off paying a bill
11:49 <@Evilpig> aestetix: that's a good way to goto jail too
11:50 < aestetix> Evilpig: provided you have good checks, and immediately apologize when it stops working and use the good one
11:50 < aestetix> notice I said put off, not "not pay"
11:50 <@Evilpig> aestetix: it's check fraud to knowingly give them a check that won't clear
11:50 < aestetix> how can you prove it was knowingly
11:50 <@Dolemite> IRC Logs
11:50 < aestetix> fuck
11:51 <@Evilpig> if it happens more than once, and those pesky irc logs
11:51 <@Evilpig> watch that be your quote of the day later.  lol
11:51 <@Dolemite> +1
11:51 <@Evilpig> don't say another word to up the chances
11:51 < aestetix> well yes it's a bullet you can really only use once
11:51 < aestetix> or every few years
11:51 <@oddball> Dolemite: It was a close call, but then I was asked to help throw a room party to promote Hypericon...
11:52 < aestetix> Evilpig: now we know why jonnyx won't use IRC
11:52 <@Dolemite> You're better off to simply call up who you owe and be honest with them about why you can't pay on time
11:52 <@Dolemite> oddball: You can throw a room party at GeekNIC to promote Hypericon!
11:53 <@benthemeek> :)
11:53 < aestetix> Dolemite: and how many people in se2600 do that?
11:53 <@Dolemite> At least 1
11:53 <@benthemeek> elonka went to minsouth tn game days over the weekend
11:53 <@benthemeek> they had 500+
11:53 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I had a friend that went, too.  He said it was great.  Picked up a ton of new board games.
11:54 <@oddball> Dolemite: Yeah... but I can get most of you assholes to show up simply by mentioning that I will have pie at Hypericon.  Oh... and Staten will be showing up with his smoker again.
11:54 <@benthemeek> apparently they are a non-profit too. They take the extra money from the con and buy up a huge catalog of board games and you just go there and tell them what you want to play
11:54 < aestetix> reminds me of my friend who lied to get a loan for a car, then totaled the car, and then the insurance company fucked up and sent him a check for $25,000
11:54 <@Dolemite> oddball: Don't bring logic into this
11:54 < aestetix> and then he paid off all his credit cards and went on a weeklong trip to vegas
11:54 <@oddball> heh
11:55 <@Evilpig> oddball: that's not the kind of pie I want
11:55 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: The Old Mill has pecan pie, if that's what you want
11:55 <@Dolemite> meeting time
11:55 < aestetix> I am pretty sure within a year of that I got a message from him complaining about being broke
11:55 < aestetix> I guess at least he didn't have any more CC debt
11:56 <@oddball> Evilpig: I'll see what you say about my pie after a couple glasses. :p
11:57 <@Evilpig> still not the kind of pie I want
11:57 <@Evilpig> but it might get me some of hte kind I want
11:57 <@oddball> heh... there is a distinct chance of that.
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11:59 <@_NSAKEY> benthemeek isn't misleading you guys.
11:59 <@_NSAKEY> That "report" as written would kick off so much drama and stupidity that it would still be going by Halloween, at least.
12:00 <@Evilpig> but I was a star goddamnit!
12:02 <@_NSAKEY> Probably the only blame-heaping in the "report" (Imagine me doing Doctor Evil air quotes) that would be politically acceptable in here is the part where he writes about skydog.
12:03 <@Evilpig> wtf does he have to do with anything?
12:03 <@_NSAKEY> That being said, something not related to the "report" that I know you'll dislike is the actual, stated intention for the org to take itself more seriously.
12:04 <@_NSAKEY> Evilpig: There's this big section about "contributing factors" which deals with past stuff that's hurt the con. I'll let you use your imagination.
12:05 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: And frankly, yes, Skydog touched the con in naughty places, but that was years ago at this point, and bitching about it now is just pissing in the wind.
12:05 <@Evilpig> how does that have to do with the blunder that was this year?
12:05 <@_NSAKEY> Evilpig: That's a fair question, since the objective of the report was to be a Maxwell House post-mortem.
12:06 <@_NSAKEY> I guess he wanted to throw in everything possible and pad the length, I don't really know.
12:06 <@benthemeek> Last year's failure brought up lots of other problems
12:06 <@_NSAKEY> He wasn't there, so I couldn't ask him.
12:06 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: Honestly, I have no issues with the org trying to be more serious.  I think it's probably needed for things to continue.
12:06 <@benthemeek> The declining attendance over the past 3. The revenue and lack of volunteers etc
12:06 < aestetix> wow facebook really lit me p today
12:06 <@_NSAKEY> oddball: What I mean by that is that stuff like the used tissue postcards and hacker inside condoms will probably never happen again.
12:07 <@Evilpig> declining attendance over the last few years has alot to do with timing of the event and advertising
12:07 <@_NSAKEY> Evilpig: That was also brought up.
12:07 <@benthemeek> Well and most of the work falling on you honestly
12:07 <@Evilpig> no
12:07 <@Evilpig> timing and advertising, that's pretty much it
12:07 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: ah... well... if it means that the org and convention will actually survive, I'm willing to make that sacrifice.
12:08 <@Evilpig> two years ago, you had skydickcon at the same time, plus we moved to the boro.  it lost a few folks that would have done both
12:08 <@oddball> benthemeek: and, well, drop in revenue and lack of volunteers can be tied back to drop in attendance.
12:08 <@CRasH180> oddball: It is need in order for things to continue
12:08 <@benthemeek> You didn't have a whole group of people charing responsibilty and making sure things got done. We needed more hands doing this for a while to keep people from getting burnt out and keeping up with just the volume of things to be done at the con
12:08 <@Evilpig> last year we went crazy early to try to avoid that problem and didn't advertise it well at all
12:08 <@Evilpig> this past year... yeah.  you already know
12:08  * benthemeek nods
12:09 <@Evilpig> lack of volunteers can also be attributed to NOT ADVERTISING FOR THEM
12:09 <@_NSAKEY> Evilpig: On an unambiguously positive note, Elonka has a guy who wants to handle anime now.
12:09 <@oddball> yay!
12:09 <@_NSAKEY> So, thanks for putting me in touch with Jeff and getting the information flowing.
12:09 <@benthemeek> or planning sufficently a head of time to give them enough notive
12:10 <@Evilpig> pn17 I didn't advertise for them but at that time when i'd normally badger people about it I was flying all over the place interviewing for a new job
12:10 <@Evilpig> andI couldn't shove that off to dolemite like I had previous years because he was having to stay at oak ridge for a scheduled power outage
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12:12 <@benthemeek> Elonka is a project manager. Comparisons have already been made to Dolemite's skill in those areas. I think with the load spread out enough and delegated to the point that no one person can screw something up it will be a world of difference
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12:13 <@Evilpig> you can still have one person screw it up
12:13 <@Evilpig> It's not hard.  you just have to know the right places to drop the wrenches
12:13 <@benthemeek> Lack of oversight and accountabilty was a big thing we discussed
12:13 <@Evilpig> or for this group, make a fleet of bicycles appear 
12:14 <@benthemeek> Well if someone doesnt meet deadline A by such and such timetable it falls to the board to make sure it gets done
12:14 <@benthemeek> its really how we should be doing things
12:16 <@Evilpig> and what stopped you from doing that this last year?
12:21 <@Dolemite> benthemeek: Elonka is exactly what the organization needed at this point, and I readily admit that she's got way more experience and skill than I ever will at herding cats.
12:21 <@Dolemite> I was decent, but by stepping in when I did, it make me look great.  I got lucky.
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12:28 < aestetix> Elonka is kind of a one in a million manager.
12:29 < aestetix> If even 10% of the bay area companies had a clone of her, this place would be way more tolerable.
12:30 <@Evilpig> handy.  http://www.brendangregg.com/Perf/linux_observability_tools.png
12:31 < aestetix> Evilpig: that guy is smart.
12:31 < aestetix> I bought one of his books.
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12:40 < aestetix> anyone know anything about absentee voting?
12:40  * aestetix is looking through the website for it
12:45 < NexusL> lol Dagmar rangerz told me to ask you guys how to weaponize install.php
12:45 < aestetix> haha
12:46 < NexusL> hehe
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12:53 <@Evilpig> NexusL: it can be done, it just takes a very special kind of idiot to do it
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13:15 <@Dolemite> Ok, time to go ride around on the motorcycle in this gorgeous weather.  Later, kids.
13:15 < aestetix> hmm
13:15 < aestetix> apparently Lessig is lanching Mayday v2.0 today
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13:21 < Synx|hm_> holy shit the exchange (military only) has samsung HU8550 75in 4K for $2974 no tax
13:22 < Synx|hm_> and my 7 year old DLP is getting long in the tooth
13:24 < Synx|hm_> for ref its $4400 on amazon
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13:28 <@opticron> Synx|hm_, ooooh
13:28 <@opticron> not bad
13:29 < Synx|hm_> its so tempting because my tv keeps saying the bulb is bad and then after 20min turns back on (i think its ballast)
13:29 < Synx|hm_> but i really have no need for a new tv
13:31 <@opticron> 4xhdmi inputs is nice
13:31 < Synx|hm_> i normally prefer to switch at the receiver
13:31 <@opticron> I wonder what "smart tv" platform samsung uses
13:31 < Synx|hm_> and also i really dislike 'smart tv'
13:31 <@opticron> me, too
13:31 <@opticron> because "smart" TVs aren't
13:32 < Synx|hm_> id almost pay more for one without that shit, and no camera ha
13:32 <@opticron> I have a last-gen LG smart TV
13:32 <@opticron> it's annoying at best
13:32 <@opticron> supports uPnP/DLNA natively, but doesn't have the codecs/subtitle decoding necessary for anything recent
13:34 <@opticron> I figured I'd give a smart TV a try and I regret it
13:35 < NexusL> Evilpig: like special ed kind of special idiot? lol
13:35 <@opticron> it tries to do too much and falls short
13:35 < aestetix> https://medium.com/@lessig/we-tried-we-learned-we-re-trying-something-new-mayday-us-v2-f56bb96abff
13:35 < PigBot`> Title: We tried. We learned. We’re trying something new: Mayday.US, v2 — Medium (at medium.com)
13:36 <@Evilpig> NexusL: anyone that writes an installer that will overwrite a database automagically from someone hitting the URL is a a special ed kind of special
13:42 < NexusL> Evilpig: lol i could not agree with you more
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14:04 <@Evilpig> damnit!
14:05 < dfused> janet
14:05 <@Evilpig> they're having a chili cook off at my apartment complex this saturday
14:05 <@Evilpig> winner gets $150 off rent
14:05 <@Evilpig> I could easily win that using Mirage's chili recipe
14:07 <@CRasH180> smart tv should be called interactive tv, not smart
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14:08 <@opticron> CRasH180, that really depends on how often they lock up
14:08 <@CRasH180> then it would be called inte....r....ac..tive tv
14:09 <@opticron> when I first got mine, it had a bad main board and would get into a state where it just bootlooped
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14:09 <@opticron> but it got past inspection because sometimes it would be fine for a few hours
14:09 <@CRasH180> I bought our Vizio TV's before they started integrating them with apps, Netflix, Amazon, etc
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16:23 < aestetix> oh man oh man
16:23 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpOk20BpqXU
16:23 < PigBot`> Title: Judge Joe Sucker - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:23 < aestetix> this is hilarious
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16:51 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: Fix that shittastic connection of yours.
16:53 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: The name of the talk is "How To Get Away With Murder - A Trestise On Woodchippers & Pigs"
17:01 < aestetix> and vaginas?
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17:07 <@Evilpig> Bahhumbug: should I be worried about being around you and a woodchipper?
17:07 <@Bahhumbug> No.
17:07 <@Bahhumbug> I like you.
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17:07 <@Bahhumbug> You get to pull up a chair and watch the festivities.
17:08 <@Bahhumbug> Pigs can do a number on a corpse.  Generally only leaving teeth and sometimes partial skulls behind.
17:08 <@Bahhumbug> And woodchippers....  I live on a farm.  The fields can always use more fertilizer.
17:16 <@Evilpig> I kinda want to be a dick to someone sometime and shit in their woodchipper.  sometime say... later summer but not quite fall
17:16 <@Evilpig> it'd be a real dick move, but I'd seriously laugh
17:17 <@Bahhumbug> I have a 'chipper.  But it would be a long trip for you just to take a shit in it.
17:17 <@Evilpig> couldn't do it just once either.  a few times to really get something down in there for a quick blast of awful
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18:34 < aestetix> I think Bahhumbug likes me
18:34 < aestetix> But does he like like like me?
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18:36 <@Bahhumbug> At some point he will learn to stop highlighting me.
18:36 <@Bahhumbug> Might take a while since he doesn't possess much common sense.
18:36 <@Bahhumbug> But I have confidence that he will learn.
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18:37 < aestetix> Someone has an anger management problem.
18:40 <@Bahhumbug> Not I.  I manage my anger perfectly fine.  I take it out on turds like you.
18:46 <@_NSAKEY> If any of you are thinking of going to bsides nashville, they were down to 50 tickets as of 8 hours ago.
18:47 < aestetix> https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2015/03/oaklands-public-safety-committee-consider-resident-comments-privacy-policy
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20:14 < aestetix> http://readme.io/
20:14 < PigBot`> Title: ReadMe.io : Crowdsource Your Developer Hub (at readme.io)
20:14 < aestetix> what a useless company
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20:40 <@Catonic> lolz
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20:48 <@Evilpig> Catonic: ?
20:58 <@Evilpig> lol  http://36.media.tumblr.com/1e27f23077015af84fa761cd38e8414a/tumblr_nl3ty3ItQ11racvsfo1_1280.png
21:29 <@Dagmar> What the...
21:30 <@Dagmar> Android Studio has decided it no longer likes arrays
21:34 <@Evilpig> pebkac
21:39 <@Dagmar> It's kinda fuckin' hard to misspell Arrays.fill
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21:40 <@Dagmar>     loot[0] = 1;
21:40 <@Dagmar> Preceded by     int[] loot = new int[48];
21:40 <@Dagmar> ... which it _likes_
21:41 <@Dagmar> So I dunno
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21:43 < RangerZ1> hmm
21:43 < RangerZ1> I didn't see all of that b/c ....fuck comcast....
21:43 < RangerZ1> hold on
21:43 <@Dagmar> I guess I can't assign values to an array as instance values
21:44 <@oddball> wow... the board meeting minutes really read like "we've read the report el Presidente gave us, and we decided the best course of action was to use that paper to play trashcan basketball."
21:45 <@Dagmar> There's no Arrays.fill for bytes, either.
21:45 <@Dagmar> Damnit I would like to do something other than flip data types around today
21:45 <@Dagmar> heh
21:46 < RangerZ1> yes there is, but its not under array
21:46 < RangerZ1> hold on
21:49 < RangerZ1> https://download.oracle.com/javase/6/docs/api/java/nio/ByteBuffer.html is one method IIRC
21:49 < PigBot`> Title: ByteBuffer (Java Platform SE 6) (at download.oracle.com)
21:49 <@Dagmar> That's considerably more stuff than I care to deal with right now
21:50 <@Dagmar> I've been pixelbating all day
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21:54 <@Dagmar> These are two 48-element arrays
21:54 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure the overhead between int and byte isn't going to matter yet
21:56 <@RangerZ> nope
21:56 <@RangerZ> but you could use short too
21:56 <@RangerZ> byte = 8, short = 16, int =32, long =64
21:56 <@RangerZ> signed
21:57 <@RangerZ> all signed two's complement,. etc
21:58 <@Dagmar> http://developer.android.com/reference/java/util/Arrays.html#fill(short[], int, int, short)
21:58 < PigBot`> Title: Arrays | Android Developers (at developer.android.com)
21:58 <@Dagmar> Fuck
21:59 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_La1QsOK73s
21:59 < PigBot`> Title: Bravely Second - Rewind Theater - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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22:01 <@Dagmar> Same reasons for not doing it there... Not wrappering everything in toShort
22:01 <@Dagmar> Two 48-element arrays.  Zero fucks given.
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22:34 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfuvNQOIbJw
22:34 < PigBot`> Title: Gay Students Ordered To Take Christian Sensitivity Training - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:34 < RangerZ> hahahaha
22:35 <@Evilpig> that's kinda funny.  
22:35 <@Evilpig> that pc shit has come full swing
22:39 <@_NSAKEY> oddball: That's pretty much exactly what went down.
22:40 <@_NSAKEY> They even floated the idea of formally rejecting the report as a board and making him write another one, but I think they're going to just write their own.
22:40 <@_NSAKEY> Honestly, if the e-mail which makes up the original report leaks out, I recommend not reading it. It's that bad.
22:44 <@oddball> Yeah... I think either you or benthemeek mentioned that earlier.
22:45 <@_NSAKEY> Yeah, we didn't really downplay or exaggerate it either.
22:45 <@_NSAKEY> Trying to strike the right balance between letting you guys know what's up and not igniting WWIII is tricky.
22:50 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: yeah, I wish I had 1) remembered about th meeting 2) had been able to go 3) not had family drama happen where my little cousin got sick, so I had to coordinate across 2 states to find people, etc... :/
22:51 < RangerZ> aka... was a little busy, lol
22:51 <@_NSAKEY> RangerZ: It wouldn't have been pretty.
22:51 < RangerZ> ?
22:52 <@_NSAKEY> Really, I'm glad that none of the rest of the IRC crowd went, simply because of that "report" being shared around.
22:53 < RangerZ> ahh
22:54 <@oddball> RangerZ: bah, sorry about the sick cousin getting sick and all.
22:56 <@Bahhumbug> <@_NSAKEY> Trying to strike the right balance between letting you guys know what's up and not igniting WWIII is tricky.
22:56 <@Bahhumbug> So much for transparency.
22:56 <@_NSAKEY> Bahhumbug: He actually managed to blame everyone who was involved in running past phreaknics who wasn't him.
22:57 <@Bahhumbug> Of course he did.  He's paranoid, delusional and a liar.
22:57 <@Bahhumbug> More the reason to out the report to the public.
22:57 <@_NSAKEY> Something else you guys might find interesting: The codex labs thing was discussed.
22:57 <@Bahhumbug> But if they want transparency this is NOT how to go about doing it.
22:58 <@_NSAKEY> The whole "this is prepayment for sponsorship" thing is an idea Dru had, which Andrew never agreed to.
22:58 <@_NSAKEY> Andrew seems willing to work it off with plugging codex labs with a code.
22:58 <@Bahhumbug> So it's a loan or a gift?
22:59 <@_NSAKEY> The drafted agreement has a date (I believe 12/31/16) as an end date, but when I asked "What happens when that date passes and there's still a balance?" I was pretty much told that he has no problem just writing another one.
22:59 <@Bahhumbug> Man, I wish I could get away with that in business.  I'd be retired by now.
22:59 <@_NSAKEY> I'm not cool enough to have copies, so all of this is from memory.
23:01 <@oddball> Bahhumbug: honestly?  It sounds like the "report" that Dru gave was exactly what any of us guessed he'd say.  The board has essentially rejected it, and worked on an actual breakdown on what went wrong and where to go from here.
23:01 <@_NSAKEY> But it's so open-ended that it won't shock me at all if the $6,000 loan somehow ends in hurt feelings.
23:01 <@_NSAKEY> oddball: That's a good summary of it.
23:02 <@oddball> If anything, the minutes from the board meetings have been more informative and transparent than anything we've had *ever* before.
23:02 <@_NSAKEY> It's like he had all this pent-up stuff he wanted to say on the mailing list and other places, and he just let most of it out in the report.
23:03 <@Bahhumbug> What list is this on?
23:03 <@_NSAKEY> The way he spun the rooms/room nights thing was different from what we were told.
23:04 <@Bahhumbug> I'd be surprised if much of anything was the same as what you were told.
23:04 <@_NSAKEY> He puts it like, "This is the number of rooms/room nights we did back in 2000 and I thought that surely in 14 years we would have grown."
23:04 <@Bahhumbug> And unicorns fart rainbows, too.
23:04 <@Bahhumbug> Oh well.
23:04 <@_NSAKEY> Which to be fair, he told me at Mojo's after the last meeting we were both at, but everyone else has said there was a game of Telephone between him and corydon over how many rooms to get for the block.
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23:08 <@_NSAKEY> The reason for the part in the minutes about the t-shirt invoice report being incorrect is because I kept bringing that up at every subsequent meeting I attended.
23:08 <@_NSAKEY> Apparently they didn't want an actual report.
23:08 <@_NSAKEY> Just a verbal discussion of what happened.
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