--- Log opened Tue Mar 03 00:00:43 2015
00:00 <@RangerZ> oddball: http://www.sporttrailer.co/ECHO/SMART%20CAR%20TRAILERS,%20SMALL%20CAR%20TRAILER,%20AND%20UTILITY%20TRAILERS.htm not that we 'should'... but we 'could' just move Dagmar's car on him one day
00:00 < PigBot`> Title: SMART CAR TRAILERS, SMALL CAR TRAILER, AND UTILITY TRAILERS (at www.sporttrailer.co)
00:01 <@RangerZ> just move it like 3 parking spots down
00:01 <@RangerZ> OR... bring the term 'car pool' to whole new levels lol
00:02 <@oddball> I believe critch has a trailer more than large enough for that... or if I still owned a station wagon... :p
00:02 <@oddball> Have you seen the RVs that have a spot in the back just the right size to hold a Smart car?
00:03 <@oddball> 'cause that's how those cars should be treated: as escape pods for other cars.
00:04 <@aestetix> god
00:04 <@aestetix> a friend apparently did acid on friday, and had a vision that I was in
00:05 <@aestetix> so now I've been getting messages from him saying he needs to talk with me in person
00:06 <@RangerZ> thats why don't talk to people who do drugs
00:06 <@RangerZ> DARE
00:06 <@RangerZ> lol
00:06 <@Dagmar> oddball: I can't say you're wrong
00:06 <@RangerZ> oddball: in all honesty, I've actully been thinking about getting the hitch for my civic
00:06 <@RangerZ> b/c uhaul has cheap sport trailers that even it can tow, and would be good enough for camping, etc.
00:07 <@aestetix> ok here's one of the lines
00:07 <@aestetix> for some reason he decided to bring up Jesus, and referred to Jesus by "hib"
00:07 <@aestetix> "hib originally told me hib just needed one to 'get high' but snap during this 'battle' that was like a turn based rpg of doing nitrous to the dome while  having deep philosophical debate
00:07 <@aestetix> "
00:07 <@RangerZ> only 310$ installed with cables for trailer, and all... and there you go
00:08 <@RangerZ> subverting HIB talk
00:08 <@aestetix> "turn based rpg of doing nitrous to the dome" what doe that even mean?
00:10 <@oddball> RangerZ: Is there something you want to actually tow?  Also: what's the towing capacity of your Civic?
00:10 <@oddball> Sounds a great way to burn out the engine.
00:10 <@aestetix> and he said something to the effect that jesus had to take LSD to be high enough to be on the same level as him
00:10 <@Dagmar> In theory, it can tow another Civic.
00:10 <@aestetix> I don't even.
00:11 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Some people have trouble realizing that the paper on their tongue means they're insane.
00:11 <@RangerZ> oddball 2k lbs, which isn't actually that bad for a car
00:11 <@oddball> That's more than I would expect.
00:11 <@RangerZ> a 500lb trailer, gives ~1000lbs to play around with in reality
00:11 <@aestetix> Dagmar: I am tempted to hook my irc logs from him up to twitter
00:12 <@RangerZ> oddball: actually tow, yes, possibly camping supplies, tent and all the junk, and still fit 4~5 people in the car
00:12 <@aestetix> http://www.newrepublic.com/article/121168/pope-francis-conservatives-battle-us-catholic-churchs-future
00:13 <@RangerZ> and food and booze... lots of food and booze
00:13 <@oddball> heh
00:14 <@RangerZ> aestetix: I think I know what your friend was talking about https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMQZeuOGqgI
00:14 < PigBot`> Title: Drift Stage is Ridge Racer on Meds - The MIX at GDC 2015 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:14 <@RangerZ> lol
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00:56 < RangerZ1> "Welcome to Kentucky, 5 million people 15 last names"
01:05 < RangerZ1> https://www.facebook.com/mistakesonthelake/photos/a.344943642301689.1073741829.338705149592205/599802650149119/?type=1
01:05 < PigBot`> Title: Mobile Uploads (at www.facebook.com)
01:06 < RangerZ1> ["The Godfather" meets "The Wire"] hehehe
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01:10 <@aestetix> Sigh.
01:10 <@aestetix> Is there any way to deal with a freakout on a professional level besides telling them to STFU?
01:12 < RangerZ1> pro level? meaning?
01:13 < RangerZ1> i should be more accurate... a 'freakout' from/by ____
01:13 < RangerZ1> because it depends more on their relationship to you than anything else
01:13 < RangerZ1> "stop freaking out" goes over really well when you tell your mom or girlfriend that ;)
01:14 < RangerZ1> god help you if wife
01:14 <@aestetix> professional = work related
01:15 < RangerZ1> new job?
01:15 < RangerZ1> or old job?
01:15 < RangerZ1> lol
01:15 <@aestetix> I'm not the one freaking out.
01:15 < RangerZ1> so new job
01:15 <@aestetix> I am, however, tired of dealing with it.
01:15 < RangerZ1> -_-
01:16 < RangerZ1> again, it depends on the power different between you and them
01:16 < RangerZ1> but basically if someone is having a freakout... no good answers
01:17 < RangerZ1> best to just say "I'm sorry, the owner of this phone has blocked messages when off duty or on official "on call" status, please contact them again when they are next scheduled"  ;)
01:22 < RangerZ1> THAT is a valid reason to have a smart phone ;)
01:26 <@aestetix> har har
01:26 <@aestetix> or a reason to have no phone
01:27 < RangerZ1> i'm not kidding
01:28 < RangerZ1> in parts of EU, they are using apps that disable email/work calls when you are off duty
01:28 < RangerZ1> NEVER gonna happen in USA
01:28 < RangerZ1> we don't have workers as part of the voting stock holders
01:30 <@aestetix> not anymore
01:30 <@aestetix> bye bye unions
01:32 < RangerZ1> ehh
01:32 < RangerZ1> I could see a resurgence of unions actually
01:33 < RangerZ1> we just have to trick unions into giving conservatives what they want
01:33 < RangerZ1> don't require people to join a union, but ALSO don't require unions to help people no in the union at all
01:33 <@aestetix> One thing I've been thinking about a lot
01:33 < RangerZ1> allow split union shops
01:33 <@aestetix> I wish there were some way to create a users union.
01:33 < RangerZ1> there is
01:33 <@aestetix> Where people sign a pact to stop giving data to facebook/etc
01:34 < RangerZ1> sure
01:34 < RangerZ1> have fun with that ;)
01:34 <@aestetix> right
01:34 <@oddball> Unions are still a pretty big deal for blue collar work.
01:34 < RangerZ1> but about unions, if you allow split union shops, it will hurt the unions 'at first' no doubt
01:35 < RangerZ1> they will lose 1/4~1/3 of their membership
01:35 < RangerZ1> BUT then they will have people who 'actually' want to be in a union...
01:35 < RangerZ1> AND then... the people no in the union will see what the people in the union get
01:35 < RangerZ1> its kinda a gamble
01:36 < RangerZ1> but then also allow cross sector union strikes
01:37 < RangerZ1> b/c I dont see how that part of taft/hartley is legal
01:37 < RangerZ1> constitutional*
07:33 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:41 <@rattle> Good morning.
07:46  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
08:26 <@Dickie> Impeach Taft!
08:32 <@Catonic> rattle: m0rn1ng
08:58 < RangerZ1> http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/2015/03/03/free-pancakes-ihop-national-pancake-day/24302807/
08:58 < PigBot`> Title: You can get free pancakes at IHOP today (at www.usatoday.com)
08:59 <@Dickie> You get pancakes with whatever you order anyway
08:59 <@Dickie> "here's the biggest omelet you've ever seen ...aaaand some pancakes"
09:00 <@opticron> yeah....I wish I'd learned about portion size earlier in life
09:01 <@Dickie> My dad was a "finish everythign on your plate" kind of guy
09:01 <@opticron> yep, so was mine
09:01 <@Dickie> So for the longest time, I'd eat myself sick because I was given too much
09:01 <@Dickie> Childhood sucked.
09:01 <@opticron> I didn't eat myself sick, I adapted
09:01 <@opticron> I got fatter
09:01  * Dickie grew into an angry old man
09:01 <@opticron> and my stomach got larger
09:02 <@opticron> but I didn't really learn that in college either
09:02 <@opticron> it was more of a post-college thing
09:02 <@opticron> so I'd go to ihop and eat an entire omlette at once because it was what was on my plate
09:02 <@opticron> *omelette
09:03 <@opticron> and mexican restaurants....
09:03 <@opticron> I still overeat there sometimes
09:03 <@opticron> but mostly, I don't touch the rice and beans if possible
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12:31 <@Bahhumbug> https://www.blackhat.com/asia-15/briefings.html#bar-mitzva-attack-breaking-ssl-with-13-year-old-rc4-weakness
12:31 < PigBot`> Title: Black Hat Asia 2015 | Briefings (at www.blackhat.com)
12:32 <@Bahhumbug> "Everythings Broken And No One Cares"
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13:07 <@Dagmar> hehe
13:49 <@RangerZ> https://www.facebook.com/nathanielKnowss/photos/a.646722082039262.1073741833.216664328378375/779266902118112/?type=1&theater
13:49 < PigBot`> Title: Mobile Uploads (at www.facebook.com)
13:49 <@RangerZ> SFW.........the Anti-Masterbation Cross,
13:53 <@Evilpig> self-raping ?  wha?
14:04 <@Bahhumbug> There should be more masturbation, not less.  Might end up being less aestetix^Wtrolls around.
14:34 <@Mirage> I hate my life right now.
14:37 <@Mirage> Some idiot web developer has managed to somehow fuck up 4 servers in some what that I can't figure out.   Network transfers between hosts are ~300KB/s on the same vlan and ESXi host...and it takes ~30-40 seconds to create a 512M file using dd...and up to 2minutes to copy from one directory (mount) to another.
14:37 <@Mirage> er, in some way...
14:38 <@Mirage> Other systems on the same storage, host, vlan are pushing files at 75MB/s+, create a file using dd in ~1.5s, and copy in ~2s
14:38 < _NSAKEY> Mirage: Sounds like you need to solve the root of the problem first.
14:38 < _NSAKEY> Step 1: Buy a big bottle of superglue.
14:39 < _NSAKEY> Step 2: Give it to this particular idiot web developer, and tell him it's nasal spray, and it'll be just like pre-school.
14:39 < _NSAKEY> Step 3: Take away any means of communication he has before he essentially drowns himself.
14:39 < _NSAKEY> Step 4: Win.
14:40 <@Mirage> At first I thought it was glusterd that they added for web content replication, but they didn't install it on the mysql backends
14:40 <@Mirage> _NSAKEY: I wish
14:42 < _NSAKEY> How much access does the idiot web dev have?
14:43 < _NSAKEY> And how does the website look different than before?
14:43 <@Mirage> root, of course
14:43 < _NSAKEY> Sounds like a problem to be fixed.
14:44 <@Mirage> it's a wordpress site.  this customer has a self-service "cloud" portal that any schmuck can use to request/provision servers for whatever they decide they want to do
14:44 < _NSAKEY> Oh, joy.
14:44 < _NSAKEY> I remember my own pain with dealing with end users.
14:45 < _NSAKEY> I'd be off in Clarksville or some other far-flung place and have to drive back to the other side of Nashville because someone knocked a cable loose and was too scared to fix it themselves.
14:45 < _NSAKEY> That doesn't even count the windows-related horrors, which I solved despite being told that I couldn't buy anything and couldn't use anything but stuff that came with Windows.
14:46 < _NSAKEY> So after each box got reformatted by attrition, I would make a user account and an admin account, then refuse to give the admin pass out to anyone. Problem solved.
14:47 < _NSAKEY> It caused a lot of hate, but I didn't have to stop trying to make money/do things that actually mattered because some idiot skip tracer decided to download and run Totally_Hip_Background_2009.jpg.exe and then complain about the box being slow or hosed.
14:47 <@Mirage> Been looking for that...where can I get it?  =)
14:48 < _NSAKEY> Obviously your situation is more complex, but it's always fun to be the denier of information services if you get a chance to play that role.
14:48 <@Mirage> And does it work under Wine
14:48 <@Mirage> You can ask Dagmar, I have no problem being the BOFH when empowered.
14:48 < _NSAKEY> They started getting the point when they'd have stuff like pictures of their kids/grandkids on the hosed box and I'd tell them, "It's a work computer. You shouldn't have kept that shit on it anyway. It's already lost."
14:49 < _NSAKEY> Then the next battlefield became the fact that the boxes rebooted to install updates.
14:49 < _NSAKEY> That default action was somehow my fault.
14:50 < _NSAKEY> Thankfully, those people finally quit and I don't have to deal with that level of stupid anymore.
14:51 < _NSAKEY> Actually, one of them wasn't too bad in that regard, but she utterly sucked at the job. The other one knew what she was doing, but had no business using tech made before the 80s.
15:04 <@Mirage> classic.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=nL24aNugo_4#t=337
15:04 < PigBot`> Title: Welcome to the Internet Helpdesk - Three Dead Trolls In A Baggie - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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17:28 <@Evilpig> ahh the phrase that seems to haunt me.  "just be aware that HR has been made aware of the situation"
17:28 <@Evilpig> good. good.  thanks for that
17:28 <@Evilpig> you promote an idiot and I get frustrated for dealing with said idiot's decisions and it's my problem
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18:33 <@RangerZ> wow... never had that happen before... a ps4 game crashed :/
18:33 <@RangerZ> mind you.... i mean all of 'console games'
18:33 <@RangerZ> but still
18:33 <@aestetix> maybe the server went down
18:33 < dfused> <nelson>ha - ha</nelson>
18:33 <@aestetix> was it sim-city?
18:34 <@RangerZ> no, Dust an Elysian tale
18:34 <@RangerZ> actually REALLY good
18:34 <@RangerZ> free PS+ game
18:34 <@RangerZ> also on steam
18:35 <@RangerZ> metroid-vania type action/exploration + rpg elements, and a good story, really good voice acting, and solid controls and visuals
18:42 <@sasquatc4> isnt that the furry game ;)
18:42 <@RangerZ> hey, just because Shadow404 recommended it doesn't make it a furry game
18:43 <@RangerZ> it just happens to have anthropomorphic animal chacters
18:43 <@RangerZ> lol
18:44 <@sasquatc4> its just always fun to give that game shit, i played the first couple levels, theres a reason its highly rated
18:44 <@sasquatc4> that and furridom always seems to be a touchy subject, why ill never know
18:44  * RangerZ points to aestetix
18:44 <@RangerZ> thats why we can't have nice things
18:45 <@RangerZ> lol
18:45 <@RangerZ> but really... fucking Mika on 'morning joe' when the furry convention was chemically attacked... fucking pathetic
18:46 <@RangerZ> not my thing, but jesus... that was domestic terrorism... where 100s could have died (possibly 1000s since it WAS a major hotel) if it wasn't detected as quick as it was
18:51 <@aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUqerenLjmQ
18:51 < PigBot`> Title: Sean Loses His Virginity (Based On A Crude Story) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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19:04 <@Dagmar> Spying on me motherfucka?
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19:05 <@Dagmar> I literally *just* watched that a few minutes ago... _in the bathroom_ you filthy perv
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19:25 <@aestetix> RangerZ: what did I do
19:27 <@RangerZ> sasquatc4: there may or may not be a Howard The Duck reference in Dust ;)
19:45 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: i've been spying on you.  we set up dagmarstreaks.com but it just didn't get any subscribers
20:07 <@aestetix> https://www.techdirt.com/blog/netneutrality/articles/20150302/08162630183/hysterical-facts-optional-assault-fccs-new-neutrality-rules-has-commenced.shtml
20:07 < PigBot`> Title: Breaking: House Judiciary Committee Tells FCC Its Going To Block Net Neutrality Rules | Techdirt (at www.techdirt.com)
20:10 <@RangerZ> ohh of course
20:10 <@RangerZ> they 'want' to
20:11 <@RangerZ> but the FCC has legal authority to do this
20:11 <@RangerZ> the courts have already said so
20:11 <@RangerZ> comcast-ian hookers (GOP) just want to change the laws to prevent it now
20:11 <@Dagmar> Someone should publish a list of how much the cable companies have contributed to the campaigns of the loudest opponents
20:12 <@RangerZ> there are sites for that
20:12 <@RangerZ> but with superpacs, etc
20:12 <@RangerZ> now... its really hard to 'really' tell
20:12 <@Dagmar> It needs to be a GIF image people can share on social networks
20:12 <@Dagmar> ...and I doubt they were subtle enough
20:25 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Exactly, which is why the other telcos are furious at verizon.
20:26 < _NSAKEY> The courts told the FCC that they had to play the Title II card if they wanted to regulate the internet... And so they did.
20:27 <@RangerZ> the only problem i have with it is no shared last mile
20:27 <@RangerZ> but it stops them from saying "we're preventing investment"
20:27 <@RangerZ> so ehh
20:34 <@RangerZ> HAHA
20:34 <@RangerZ> boner allowed the democrats to vote on funding DHS for the rest of the year
20:34 <@RangerZ> and it passed and conservatives got -nothing-
20:34 <@Dagmar> Goddamn motherfuckers
20:34 <@RangerZ> lol
20:35 <@Dagmar> So... I've hit a false positive on some kind of bullshit anti-counterfeiting crap on my scanner
20:35 <@RangerZ> OHHH
20:35 <@RangerZ> the $ symbols
20:35 <@Dagmar> About 3/4 of the way through scanning this _goddamn CD_ the scanner stop
20:35 <@Dagmar> It's Lord of Acid 'Greatest Tits'
20:36 <@Evilpig> I'd like to see a comparison of how much the cable and phone companies spent lobbying against net neutrality and how much infrastructure that would have put into place
20:36 <@Dagmar> ...which has a fractal like thing on it
20:36 <@RangerZ> best bet is just to take a picture then
20:36 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Now _there's_ a fun figure
20:36 <@RangerZ> OR
20:36 <@RangerZ> just cover 1/2 of it with paper
20:36 <@RangerZ> and scan 2x
20:36 <@RangerZ> then photoshop together
20:36 <@Dagmar> That's actually what I'm trying now
20:38 <@Dagmar> Stitching these back together will be a pain hte ass I shodln't have to deal with
20:39 <@RangerZ> god help you that it doesn't form .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EURion_constellation
20:39 < PigBot`> Title: EURion constellation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
20:40 <@RangerZ> if so, photoshop (and maybe gimp) won't even let you save the file
20:40 <@RangerZ> lol
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21:12 <@aestetix> ok so
21:12 <@aestetix> question for gamers
21:12 <@aestetix> How do things like WoW keep going? Are new quests introduced?
21:12 <@aestetix> I don't understand the ecosystem at all
21:18 <@RangerZ> it is about social interactions now more than anything
21:18 <@RangerZ> people play to play with their friends, etc
21:19 <@RangerZ> or to just dick around
21:19 <@oddball> Yeah... social interaction, and the company running the game is constantly adding new things.
21:20 <@oddball> A good MMO only goes out of development when it's dead.
21:21 <@oddball> heh... And I recently saw a friend refer to "raid night" as "bowling league night."
21:24 <@RangerZ> basically
21:24 <@RangerZ> and 15$/mo is cheaper than any bar tab
21:25 < _NSAKEY> That's less than what I spend on average going to a 2600 meeting.
21:29 <@aestetix> Yeah but I can't go home with someone on Wow
21:30 <@oddball> You'd be surprised.  It's a little more complicated, but I've seen it happen.
21:31 < _NSAKEY> It's not like there are a ton of women at 2600 meetings, aestetix.
21:37 <@oddball> Well, Naienko has talked about showing up again, but she's pretty sure that she might stab someone, so...
21:45 <@aestetix> god fuck twitter and the bay area
21:45 <@aestetix> Someone said something, I made a snarky comment, and apparently their initial message was in context about some feminist thing I had no idea about.
21:45 <@aestetix> Someone "called" me out on it, and now I'm getting blowback.
21:51 <@RangerZ> then say you are sorry for them being upset
21:51 <@RangerZ> lol
21:51 <@RangerZ> aka the politician 'sorry'
21:51 <@RangerZ> lol
21:53 <@aestetix> hahaha
21:55 <@RangerZ> i'm not kidding
21:55 <@RangerZ> it works
22:04 <@aestetix> I know
22:04 <@aestetix> luckily the callout was from a friend
22:04 <@aestetix> and I messaged them and said "wtf why didn't you just meessage me that"
22:04 <@aestetix> and they took it down
23:09 <@RangerZ> speaking of... apparently (I don't actually remember it) but my mom tells the story like Moses came down with it etched in stone tablets...
23:09 <@RangerZ> when I was like 10 or something
23:10 <@RangerZ> I told my aunt that she was stupid, and then my mom told me to say "I'm sorry" so... being the smartass I am... I say  "I'm sorry your so stupid"
23:10 <@RangerZ> you're*
23:14 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: I believe they call that a non-apology apology.
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23:32 <@Bahhumbug> They called that "getting your ass worn out" when I was a kid.
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