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00:00 < _NSAKEY> Breaking their tech and making it easy for any 12 year old script kiddie to abuse wouldn't even solve anything.
00:00 <@Dagmar> Don't need to break theirs
00:00 < _NSAKEY> That just puts us where we are now.
00:01 <@RangerZ> i dunno... paypal, google wallet, and apple pay are pretty good competition for them
00:01 <@oddball> Hasn't that already happened to the chip and pin in Europe?
00:01 <@RangerZ> ohh yeah, it was hacked a while ago
00:01 <@RangerZ> b/c of bad impl.
00:01 < _NSAKEY> oddball: I linked to a paper written in 2010 earlier.
00:02 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Yes they are
00:02 <@oddball> Just making sure. :)
00:02 <@aestetix> Dagmar: the issue here is that you have principles.
00:02 <@aestetix> They don't.
00:02 <@aestetix> They want to keep the money they have and make more money.
00:02 <@Dagmar> This *is* the sort of problem that the NFC-enabled techs have an advantage with
00:03 <@Dagmar> s/enabled/faciliitated/
00:03 <@Dagmar> Every system that doesn't allow the payee's end to be authenticated should be obsolete
00:06 <@Dagmar> Hell, all these pieces are documented in Wikipedia for god's sake
00:25 <@RangerZ> FFS... they were among the first pages that were filled in on wikipedia...
00:25 <@Dagmar> Yep
00:25 <@RangerZ> math and CS topics both were.... and this is the venn diagram of those two subjects
00:26 <@Dagmar> That these problems are 'solved' is why we can even have bitcoin
00:28 <@RangerZ> well...
00:28 <@RangerZ> bitcoin has its own issues
00:28 <@RangerZ> but yeah
00:28 <@RangerZ> lol
00:29 <@Dagmar> This is actually somewhat irksome
00:30 <@Dagmar> All these terminals are generally connected all the time, or do call-ins
00:30 <@Dagmar> There's no sane reason I can see to ignore being able to use RSA to authenticate the card, and ZKP to do PIN challenge
00:31 <@RangerZ> easy
00:31 <@RangerZ> the CC companies said that the first company to 'require' pins... will lose customers
00:31 <@RangerZ> since people don't want to use pins
00:31 <@RangerZ> :/
00:31 <@Dagmar> That would be why you decouple them
00:32 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm pretty sure that both legally, and ethically, you could offer customers different rates for using a PIN
00:32 <@Dagmar> ...but _just_ being able to do a crypto challenge against the card as a physical token is of massive benefit
00:32 <@Dagmar> Cuz the amount of money lost to physically stolen cards is pretty small
00:33 <@Dagmar> The amount lost due to _just the damn numbers being stolen_ is insanely larger than it needs to be
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01:03 <@aestetix> TIL Dagmar is an idealist.
01:06 <@Dagmar> I won't say that people figure that out as quickly as they figure out that I'm weird, but they do figure it out eventually
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01:11 <@Dagmar> Mainly I just like finding complex problems to solve
01:11 <@Dagmar> I mean, other than insanity, there's no real excuse for coming up with a ZKP challenge system for IRC bots
01:13 <@Dagmar> I just needed a way for bots to authenticate to each other across the network securely
01:32 < RangerZ1> easy, just use the same logic as RSA
01:32 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Like I said, I developed a ZKP mechanism a few years before they did a paper on it
01:33 <@Dagmar> I just don't really have the math chops to prove it like they did
01:33 <@Dagmar> ...but at least now I know I was right
01:34 < RangerZ1> thats like when I independently invented permutations and combinations in 2nd grade...
01:34 < RangerZ1> and then got to middle school and was like 'damn it... someone already did this'
01:34 < RangerZ1> lol
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01:48 <@aestetix> http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/get-there/wp/2015/02/20/the-hidden-costs-of-being-an-uber-driver/
01:48 < PigBot`> Title: The hidden costs of being an Uber driver - The Washington Post (at www.washingtonpost.com)
07:23 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:24 <@Dolemite> mr0ning commute successful!
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10:51 <@oddball> aestetix: I can see people not realizing that they need to get commercial car insurance, but... uh... having to pay income tax is a "hidden cost?"
10:52 <@oddball> And they're surprised that the IRS bends independant contractors over and screws them?  These are known things.
11:07 <@Mirage> Is there such a TLD as ".fco"?  I don't thnk it's valid, but I have a client that assures me that it is.  Personally I think it's an internal zone they created in their DNS like I always did ".con" at PN.
11:08 <@Evilpig> never heard of that one
11:09 <@Evilpig> unless that's some weird country code
11:11 <@Mirage> It's not listed here, so I was 99.9% sure it was bogus. http://data.iana.org/TLD/tlds-alpha-by-domain.txt
11:12 <@Evilpig> should I log in and comment on this "s/loose/lose\ a/"  https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manicgamer/gravity-dice/posts/1142935?ref=backer_project_update
11:12 <@Mirage> I will say after looking at that list that there are entirely too many BS TLD's that have been created, not likely for the sole purpose of selling them.
11:12 < PigBot`> Title: Gravity Dice by James Kathrein Jr Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com)
11:13 <@Evilpig> we werent monetizing a potential revenue stream, it had to be done
11:16 <@Mirage> er, s/not/most/
11:16  * Mirage poorly multitasking again...
11:29 <@Evilpig> the purple doesn't look bad at all https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/manicgamer/gravity-dice/posts/1146763
11:29 < PigBot`> Title: Gravity Dice by James Kathrein Jr Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com)
12:07 <@Evilpig> vindication and not...  neteng just appologized for me racking all of those god damned switches saying it was unecessary.  so I was correct in my objections that were summarily told to stfu about
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13:34 <@aestetix> oh wow
13:34 <@aestetix> http://fusion.net/story/54252/instagram-celeb-locations/
13:34 < PigBot`> Title: Michelle Obama, Reese Witherspoon and other celebs are leaking location information on Instagram -- Fusion (at fusion.net)
13:38 <@RangerZ> 1600 penn. ave.
13:38 <@RangerZ> q.e.d.
13:38 <@RangerZ> lol
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13:54 <@aestetix> klixa: can I ask you a question?
13:54 <@Shadow404> oh god, not this again
13:54 <@aestetix> what
13:54 <@klixa> yeah, but i wont necesaraily answer it
13:54 <@Shadow404> good plan klixa
13:54 <@RangerZ> so I finally went and bought a PS4 again, and looking at the games I already have... they count at 35... because of PS+
13:54 <@aestetix> I was just wondering if you actually like body hair. Testosterone creates hair, right?
13:55 <@klixa> body hair on men? no, i dont like it
13:55 <@aestetix> Shadow404: I'll ask you questions next
13:55 <@klixa> aestetix: if i liked a guy with it tho, i would tolerate it... but preference is for little/no body hair
13:55 <@aestetix> interesting
13:56 <@aestetix> I thought women liked hair, I was trying to figure out why
13:56  * aestetix prefers no body hair except actual hair
13:56 <@klixa> most women i know dont like body hair
13:57 <@klixa> well, they dont like excessive hair... a little hair is different
13:58 <@Dolemite> If you can braid it, it's too much
13:58 <@aestetix> Dolemite: depends where it is
13:59 <@klixa> acceptable level http://fringefamily.typepad.com/.a/6a0105364a8fba970c017c32625d49970b-800wi ; too much http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/kbat.com/files/2013/08/Hairy-chest-by-Vinnie-630x475.jpg
14:01 <@Shadow404> aestetix: ill just ignore them
14:01 <@Shadow404> but your welcome to try
14:10 <@aestetix> haha
14:10 <@aestetix> http://theboldandthebeardiful.com/pages/67bodyodor.html
14:10 < PigBot`> Title: The Bold and the Beardiful (at theboldandthebeardiful.com)
14:10 <@aestetix> I'm tempted to throw that at anyone who demands I cite a source.
14:17 <@klixa> that guy looks like you
14:20 <@Dickie> Years ago, I was up late watching Love Line, and a lady called in with a problem
14:20 <@Dickie> She had dyed her pubes green for fun with her man, and then they all fell out and would not grow back
14:21 <@Dickie> At the time, I was a kid and didn't really understand. Now I want to know where she got her hair dye.
14:21 <@klixa> she probably lied
14:21 <@Dolemite> I had a room mate in Atlanta that danced on poles for a living.  She dyed her pubic hair green, shaved a corner, and then found temporary tattoos of Tweety Bird mowing the lawn that she put in the shaved corner.
14:21  * Dickie clings to the hope there's a miracle pube remover somewhere out there
14:23 <@klixa> if there was something that existed that made them never grow back, it would be for sale
14:23 <@klixa> Dolemite: that seems more funny than hot
14:23 <@Dolemite> It's a competitive business
14:24 <@Dolemite> Back in the late 1990s there were more strip clubs in the Atlanta area than you cuold believe
14:25 <@klixa> eveyr stripper now seems to be covered in tattoos and has dyed hair
14:25 <@Dolemite> Yeah
14:25 <@Dolemite> Back in the 1990s, though, strippers who looked like the girl next door made the most money
14:25 <@Shadow404> starting to snow in atlanta
14:26 <@Dolemite> Now I doubt you could find one that meets that criteria
14:26 <@klixa> it seems the "girl next foor type" would make a lot now just because they are rare
14:26 <@klixa> tho, the girl next door of nowadyas also has tattoos often
14:27 <@Dickie> pffft girls next door are probably prudes anyway
14:27 <@klixa> i grew up beng told only slutty nasty drug addict biker chicks get tatoos...so i dont like them
14:27 <@Dolemite> I went to Twin Peaks (bar) last year and was told it was like Hooters...   I hate to say it, but Hooters was classier than Twin Peaks.  I was impossible to find a waitress there with less than 3 visbile tattoos.
14:27 <@Dickie> that's oddly specific
14:27 <@Dickie> tattoos can be classy
14:27 <@Dolemite> klixa: Or some of us just don't care for them
14:28 <@Dickie> tattoos of ICP logos are not classy
14:28 <@klixa> Dickie: not all things at once, i guess put OR between all those labels
14:28 <@Dickie> :D
14:29 <@klixa> my friend is COVERED in tats...and she doesnt fit any of those labels...so im not  saying i think that about oeople with them...its just thats what i associate them with
14:29 <@Dolemite> I don't begrudge someone for getting tattoos, but if they want to objectify themselves to make more money at a strip club or a bar catering to horny men, they should be appealing to more than a narrow range of clientele.
14:29 <@aestetix> I do wonder if they will regret those tattoos in 30 years
14:29 <@klixa> aestetix: in 30 years they will be old
14:30 <@klixa> who cares
14:30 <@Dickie> It's empowering!
14:30 <@klixa> i would think the  prime time for regret is right after getting one
14:30 <@Dickie> I want a tattoo, but I'm picky
14:30 <@klixa> the only reason to regret one later, is if its on your face or something
14:30 <@Dickie> So I'll probably never get one
14:30 <@aestetix> klixa: although it's not as bad as getting your nose cut off so you can look like that comic book devil
14:30 <@klixa> aestetix: yeah, taht sounds worse
14:31 <@klixa> there are some messed up people in this world
14:31 <@aestetix> http://metro.co.uk/2015/02/04/man-has-nose-cut-off-to-look-like-comic-books-captain-america-super-villain-red-skull-5049999/
14:31 <@klixa> is that pic scary and gory
14:31  * klixa is afraid to click
14:32 <@aestetix> not gory
14:32 <@klixa> Dolemite: was that twin peak bar in snoqualmie?
14:32 <@klixa> washington
14:33 <@klixa> omg, they show the cut off part aestetix , you suck
14:33 <@klixa> that is totally gory
14:33 <@klixa> and that man is a fucking idiot
14:34 <@aestetix> I wonder what happens when he gets a cold
14:35 <@aestetix> I guess it's not hard to blow his nose.
14:38 <@Dolemite> klixa: No, it's a national chain.  This was in Knoxville, TN.
14:39 <@aestetix> I wonder if I could get a bunch of radical feminists to go to hooters
14:39 <@Dolemite> Compared to The Tilted Kilt and Twin Peaks, Hooters is now a hot bed of wholesomeness.
14:40 <@Dolemite> I went to Twin Peaks as a mystery shopper, so I actually had to read their manual on dress code.  It was like reading a dissertation on misogyny.
14:45 <@klixa> snoqualmie is where twin peaks was filmed, tahts why i thought ot might be there...and when you go there EEVRY place has pics of when they filmed it in the wals, etc
14:46 <@klixa> Hooters is strange, cause yeah they are fairly wholsonem considering
14:46 <@aestetix> I dunno how wholesome hooters is. Would you hold a sunday school there?
14:50 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Everything is relative
14:55 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Someone who isn't a baby troll would.
14:58 <@klixa> aestetix: i took my steapdaghter to hooters when she was 4
14:59 <@klixa> i have no idea why the 3 of us went to hooters, i thik they had free wings or something... but anyway, my stepdaughter loved the cute dances they do, and they were less perverse than stuff i see on Disney
14:59 <@klixa> exactly the dances werent perverse at all...hooters isnt really that sexual/erotic imo
15:00 <@klixa> exactly=actually*
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15:14 <@Dolemite> Kids eat free on Saturdays at Hooter's.  It's packed.
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15:44 <@Evilpig> oh dolemite...
15:44 <@Evilpig> HAHAHAHAHAHAH
15:45  * Evilpig flaps his arms and tries to fly to the moon
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16:29 < eryc> Evilpig: watch the video http://www.nlyte.com/
16:29 < PigBot`> Title: DCIM | Global Data Center Infrastructure Management Software | Nlyte (at www.nlyte.com)
16:32 <@Evilpig> I wanna make money rain down
17:02 < eryc> did you see the 3D fly through!
17:04 < eryc> Evilpig: so can you recommend a good DCIM?
17:52 <@Evilpig> eryc: I can recommend a mediocre one that gets the job done, usually
17:53 <@Evilpig> it will come with poor support and frequently degrading comments via a listserv
17:54 <@RangerZ> so thats cool... this month's lootcrate came with the full paperback of Ready Player One
17:58 <@RangerZ> I've actually been meaning to read that
18:01 <@Evilpig> yeah it had a book.  like wtf am i gonna do with a book?
18:03 <@RangerZ> Evilpig: thats why you are a ginger
18:03 <@RangerZ> if you got more learned, you might grow some pigment
18:04 <@RangerZ> in your case... possibly more red... *shrugs*
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18:26 <@aestetix> benthemeek: ping
18:33 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: That's a really good book.
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19:07 <@RangerZ> _NSAKEY: yeah, i've heard that
19:11 < _NSAKEY> If you're familiar with the history of 80s game devs, you'll notice some parallels between them/Apple and the company in the book.
19:26 <@RangerZ> anyone ever used an 'HDMI switch' like this? http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=101&cp_id=10110&cs_id=1011002&p_id=6259&seq=1&format=2
19:27 <@RangerZ> HDCP would cry with this
19:27 <@RangerZ> lol
19:27 <@Evilpig> not necessarily
19:27 <@Evilpig> if it switches output then handshakes again
19:31 <@RangerZ> i know a 'reciever' is really the 'right' solution here
19:31 <@RangerZ> but I don't want to spend that kinda money
19:31 <@RangerZ> etc
19:39 <@RangerZ> oddball: found your house plans http://www.tigerlogcabins.com/product/zombie-fortification-cabin-zfc-1/
19:39 < PigBot`> Title: ZFC-1 Log Cabin | 44mm Log Cabins (at www.tigerlogcabins.com)
19:40 <@RangerZ> Living area with TV, Xbox and Sound system Turntables , Barbed wire surround, Re-enforced slit windows, walls and doors, Upper deck with 360deg vantage point + escape hatch
19:40 <@RangerZ> and of course... [10 YEAR ANTI ZOMBIE GUARANTEE*.]
19:41 <@RangerZ> and optional Water Cannon or .... Flame Thrower
19:42 <@RangerZ> this is like "unibomber home" in a box
19:44 <@RangerZ> only 100k or 120k for installed ;)
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20:19 < dfused> holy shit I love it
20:25 <@aestetix> butt play?
20:28 < dfused> if dreaming that makes you happy...
20:28 < dfused> but in reality...no.
20:29 < RangerZ1> I'm going to post this... just so that the title gets brought up... no one needs to watch it... just be amazed at the stupidity ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML42qDdH9Yg
20:29 < PigBot`> Title: Republican Lawmaker Asks If Women Can Swallow a Camera So A Doctor Can Examine Their Vagina - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
20:30 < dfused> wow.
20:30 < dfused> anatomy fail.
20:30 < RangerZ1> you know... I could have easily been a republican
20:30 < RangerZ1> in the 50s or 60s
20:30 < dfused> but hell... oklahoma is trying to ban AP History.  cause it casts us in a bad light.
20:31 < dfused> and 57% of Repluicans want Christianity to be delcared the NAtional religion
20:31 < RangerZ1> but I literally couldn't be a republican now b/c of the embarrassment of how fucking stupid they WANT to be now
20:37 < RangerZ1> http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/politics/2015/01/15/nashville-farmers-market-bans-re-sold-products/21838383/
20:37 < PigBot`> Title: Nashville Farmers' Market bans re-sold products (at www.tennessean.com)
20:37 < RangerZ1> so apparently 'thats' a thing
20:38 < dfused> so that people cant buy peruvian vegetables and seel them at a farmer's market?  I can see that... irritates me to see it at a market
20:39 < dfused> but then again... a law against it is silly. I just dont buy it.
20:39 < RangerZ1> not a 'law'
20:39 < RangerZ1> a 'rule' of the market
20:40 < RangerZ1> its apparently targeted at commercial products, such as socks and CDs, to promote 'local food and art'
20:44 < dfused> if its local made stuff.. sure.  if its Nike shoes... then its no longer a farmers market but a flea market.
20:44 < dfused> IMO
20:50 < RangerZ1> i kinda agree
20:50 < RangerZ1> but think that if there have been 'the same' people selling stuff there for 'decades' as a different article states
20:50 < RangerZ1> I think they should be grandfathered also
20:51 < RangerZ1> b/c -obviously- there is a market for it/profit for the seller there
21:07 < dfused> i dunnno...I dont want to go to a farmers market and have to deal with a bunch of bulllshit tables of jeans and shiurts and wtf ever other crap just cause it has sold there and ppl are willing to buy.  ..but for me, that just means I wont go. ..NOT that I would push for some law. -shug-
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21:11 < RangerZ1> again... not a 'law', its a 'rule' by the owners of the market
21:14 < dfused> yeah i know.....
21:14 < dfused> jus sayin =P
21:21 < RangerZ1> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=788549451227013&set=vb.100002158962450&type=2&theater
21:21 < PigBot`> Title: Comments (at www.facebook.com)
21:21 < RangerZ1> ok....
21:25 < dfused> cannot be unseen.
21:29 < RangerZ1> not like it will forever alter your experience when seeing capri sun or hot pockets commercials
21:29 < RangerZ1> lol
21:30 < dfused> hehe
21:31 < RangerZ1> you know... now that I think about it perhaps "NSFW"
21:31 < RangerZ1> but 'ehh'
21:31 < dfused> meh
21:32 < RangerZ1> but watching people (especially the Indians with really bad accents...) try to explain algorithms should have a NSFW tag too...
21:32 < RangerZ1> despite it being -literally- my job... its NSFS(Sanity)
21:34 < dfused> hurray for zoidberg!
21:40 <@oddball> It appears to be snowing
21:42 < RangerZ1> lets hope it ices over
21:42 < RangerZ1> a few inches
21:43 <@oddball> but.... I have to go to a funeral tomorrow
21:43 <@Evilpig> don't worry oddball, the body is on ice
21:43 < dfused> oh damn
21:43 <@oddball> duuuude
21:44 <@oddball> not cool, man.  not cool
21:44 < dasunt> What's a good place to do Karaoke?
21:44 < dasunt> In Atlanta?
21:44 <@Evilpig> you sure it isn't cool?  It is snowing...
21:45 <@Evilpig> dasunt: the middle of I40
21:45 < dfused> ATL underground.
21:45 < dasunt> This is serious - have a friend of a friend that moved over to Atlanta and she's stuck in the area where the opening question is "what church do you go to?"
21:46 <@oddball> That only describes one area down there?
21:46 < dfused> buckhead used to be the shit... but frmo what I hear it all shutdown
21:47 < dasunt> ATL underground as in the buried street thingie?  Or is that an actual place?
21:48 < dfused> dasunt: was being a smartass... as underground tends to be hell of high in crime
21:48 < dasunt> Ah.  I know fuck all about ATL.
22:00 < RangerZ1> I know to avoid it
22:11 < dasunt> Science museum is nice.
22:14 <@oddball> Sweet.  Looks like my issues with my 3DS were due to a dead battery... and an aftermarket one that's twice the capacity was all of $5.
22:17 < RangerZ1> ok... fuck being sick...
22:18 < RangerZ1> under 3 comforters, room is 80 degrees
22:18 < RangerZ1> and I was 'comfortable' finally
22:18 < RangerZ1> got chilled and started shivering when I walked to the kitchen...
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22:18 < dfused> whiner
22:19 < RangerZ1> s/h//
22:19 < dfused> whine. wine.  whiner
22:19 < RangerZ1> fuck you... i don't know sed 'that' well
22:19 < RangerZ1> lol
22:20 < dfused> someone needs a nappy poo
22:20 < _NSAKEY> s/sed/spelling/
22:20  * RangerZ1 pats the bed next to me for dfused
22:20 < dfused> lmao
22:21 < dfused> be careful...you'll get aestetix all excited
22:22 < RangerZ1> nah, no sheep involved
22:22 < RangerZ1> since he 'does' want to move to KY
22:26 < RangerZ1> ohhh I'm sorry, he just needs to buy some more
22:26 < RangerZ1> easy to get those confused
22:29 < dfused> finally got a decent offer on my house woohoo!
22:35 < RangerZ1> nice
22:35 < RangerZ1> hope it goes through
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22:42 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xmm8T8Mtcus
22:42 < PigBot`> Title: Evil Clown Escapes Rape Dungeon!!! - Weekly Weird News - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:42 < RangerZ1> SFW
22:46 < RangerZ1> sorta...
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23:43 < dasunt> Yippie, I'm going to be around 0F again tomorrow morning.
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23:56 <@aestetix> jesus
23:56 <@aestetix> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/realestate/micro-apartments-tiny-homes-prefabricated-in-brooklyn.html#
23:57 <@aestetix> Enter My Micro NY, the city’s first micro-apartment complex, at 335 East 27th Street, with 55 units ranging from 260 to 360 square feet. The building will begin leasing studios this summer for around $2,000 to $3,000 a month.
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