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00:41 < aestetix> how do I run for president of nashville2600
00:41 < aestetix> or at least phreaknic
00:42  * Catonic appoints aestetix God of Phreaknic
00:42 < aestetix> yes!
00:42 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: You have to attend Nashville meetings.
00:42 <@Catonic> but not Ghod.
00:42 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: if I'm president I will get rid of that kind of red tape
00:42 <@Catonic> aestetix: you mean... skype in. ;)
00:42 < _NSAKEY> You also have to become a dues paying member. Attending this upcoming PhreakNIC counts as paying dues.
00:43 <@Catonic> 1) buy telepresence robot
00:43 <@Catonic> 2) attach electronics to bulldozer
00:43 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: and then I become president?
00:43 <@Catonic> 3) ???
00:43 < _NSAKEY> Last but not least, you have to be physically present at the December meeting, which might be hard since people like me would laugh you out of the building.
00:43 <@Catonic> 4) PROFIT!!!
00:44 <@Catonic> man, what's with all the hacker-on-hacker hate in here? Can't we all just get along?
00:44 < aestetix> is that like ass to ass?
00:44 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Have you ever been local?
00:45 <@Catonic> aestetix: I think it means we're supposed to get naked, rub each other down with oil and writhe in a naked pile.
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00:45 <@Catonic> _NSAKEY: a local what?
00:46 < _NSAKEY> Catonic: To Nashville.
00:46 <@Catonic> a local anesthetic, a local doctor, a local hookerbot... let's be a little more specific.
00:46  * Catonic falls over laughing
00:46 < _NSAKEY> I'm too new to know the answer to that question. Otherwise, I wouldn't ask.
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00:47 <@Catonic> aestetix: hey, you dropped that.
00:47  * Catonic puts a ring on aestetix 
00:47 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: You could run for a board seat when those come up without actually being present, but you'd have to meet the qualifications for paying dues and attending meetings first.
00:48 <@Catonic> Damn, it's not even tomorrow and I'm not right already.
00:49 <@Catonic> aestetix: tellin' ya. Telepresence robot, military-grade weapons... plasma rifle in the fourty-watt range... we got this.
00:50 <@Catonic> We can make Idi Iman look like a meter maid or crossing guard.
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03:36 <@aestetix> https://archive.org/details/LauraPoitrasCitizenfour
03:36 < PigBot> Title: Laura Poitras: Citizenfour (November 2014) : Free Download & Streaming : Internet Archive (at archive.org)
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06:32 < RangerZ> jesus H christ... sinus infection has made me into a narcoleptic invalid over the past 3 days...
06:32 < RangerZ> since friday... I've probably slept 50~66% of the time
06:33 < RangerZ> finally starting to be able to think clearly... ugh...
06:40 < RangerZ> also... I said crazypants as associated with hacknashville, I was completely wrong... she was associated with 'Nashville Civic Brigade'
06:41 < RangerZ> I thought they were the same thing for some reason when i was talking about it earlier...
06:41  * RangerZ blames sinuses
06:41 < RangerZ> lol
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07:38 < Synx|hm_> RangerZ: yup wife kid and i all in the same boat, not sleeping fucking sucks
08:22 <@Evilpig> something is clearly wrong with me
08:23 <@Evilpig> I just queued up a better quality version of Deadgirl
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09:15 <@Mirage> Evilpig: lol
09:15 <@Mirage> And _THAT_ is supposed to be the indicator?  That's theleast of what's wrong with you...
09:21 <@Mirage> Evilpig: Do I dare ask what the point of wasting drive space is for an 8G version of Akira?  It's not like the higher quality is going to help the art.
09:27 < Synx|hm_> anybody ever moved around to a different job but in the same company?
09:27 < Synx|hm_> im curious if people the mgrs know your pay its harder to get a big jump
09:27 <@Mirage> yeah..
09:28 <@Mirage> depends on the company and the job
09:28 < Synx|hm_> im looking to make a move from professiona services to sales engineer and looking to make 160% increase or more
09:28 <@Mirage> and how much experience do you have as a sales engineer?
09:29 < Synx|hm_> zero, however i have all the technical experience in all of our procuts
09:29 < Synx|hm_> products
09:29 < Synx|hm_> id be the most experienced SE the company has
09:30 <@Mirage> In all reality, with that factored in, you might rate for mid-rate for the new position.
09:31 < Synx|hm_> ya nothing to lose i guess ill see what they offer and counter and if its not a big enough increase to justify the massive increase in travel then its just not worth it
09:32 <@Mirage> That's like a Systems Admin w/ 10y experience at a company who knows the environment inside and out deciding that they want to be a network engineer and expecting top-rate pay.
09:33 < Synx|hm_> well the SE role here is just technical pre-sales so i have exactly the knowledge i need
09:33 <@Mirage> Some companies will lock you into a pay rate and once you get that high, you never make lower...but I wouldn't see something like that in this instance
09:33 < Synx|hm_> i can assure you my company is looking to screw people out of money in any way possible
09:34 < Synx|hm_> new HR VP said at last company all call they got rid of the paid time off system (in favor of a take what you need but get it approved) system so they didn't have to pay people time owed when they fire them
09:34 < Synx|hm_> because they know we all work 60-80 hour weeks and can never take time off
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09:48 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
10:16 < Synx|hm_> new radiator on the way $$$$$$ :(
10:17 < Synx|hm_> went with one without plastic endtanks so its solid aluminum at least i know it wont leak from the endtanks lol
10:18 < RangerZ> just everywhere we poke holes in it with an ice pick
10:18 < RangerZ> ;)
10:18 < Synx|hm_> ha ya
10:18 < Synx|hm_> or the spots the UPS guy drops it
10:19 < Synx|hm_> now the question is do i hang on to this rented radiator pressure tester for 2 week until i can swap out this radiator or do i take it back then go back and rent it again later
10:19 < Synx|hm_> or just buy my own at harbor frieght
10:19 < Synx|hm_> ha
10:24 <@Mirage> Synx|hm_: Um, the ends are still gonna be soldered, so they're still the weak link
10:24 < Synx|hm_> right, however my current radiator goes from aluminum core to crimped plastic end tanks
10:25 <@oddball> I guess the question is how much is it going to cost to rent vs buying one?
10:25 < Synx|hm_> it cant even maintain up to the 1.3 bar of my radiator cap so it leaks before coolant ever even makes it out to my overflow
10:25 < Synx|hm_> oddball: its actually free to rent, they hold the money if i dont return it they keep the money when i return it i get full refund
10:25 < Synx|hm_> tool rental at auto parts stores rocks
10:26 <@oddball> That's the reason I've got a hand truck.  Needed one for a move a while ago, and I bought one with the money it would take to rent one from U-Haul for a couple days.
10:26 < Synx|hm_> ha
10:26 <@oddball> Synx|hm_: Ahhh... right.
10:26 < Synx|hm_> i once went to homedepot and asked if they rented hand trucks, they said no, so i asked if they sold them, they said yes, then i asked what the return policy was and simply stated at the end... so you do rent hand trucks
10:27 <@oddball> eh... it's been damned handy to have, and it doesn't take up much space.
10:28 < Synx|hm_> ya
10:28 < Synx|hm_> i always end up with awesome to have tools that i only use but once twice every few years and take up a shit ton of space
10:29 < Synx|hm_> finally sold my transmission jack
10:29 <@oddball> By the way, U-Haul has become diabolical with their hand trucks.  They know just have one zip-tied in the back of the truck, and you don't get charged unless the zip ties are broken.
10:29 <@oddball> But it just sits there... taunting you... while you move boxes.
10:29 < Synx|hm_> the money they make on handtrucks and blankets blows my mind
10:29 < Synx|hm_> i went to harbor freight and got free blankets for the months leading up to my move
10:29 < Synx|hm_> still rented some from u-haul too though those assholes
10:29 <@oddball> heh... that was convenient.
10:30 < Synx|hm_> they always have free give aways like moving blankets or tarps
10:30 <@oddball> yep
10:31 <@oddball> The ones I usually see are the free flashlights.
10:31 < Synx|hm_> only problem ive ever had with that store is a set of impact sockets that i cracked by hand without any air tools
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10:31 <@oddball> damn
10:31 < Synx|hm_> but everything else has been awesome, use their floor jacks, and have a gorilla impact gun that blows away the craftsmen gun i have
10:32 <@oddball> Sure, they're crap tools, but if you're the average urban-dweller, chances are you won't really see the difference between them and the high quality stuff.
10:33 < Synx|hm_> exactly and id say im a bit more than average with the amount of diy car work i do and i still love their stuff, for normal sockets and screw drivers i have some nicer stuff but things like breaker bars, one off tools, shit i even have a A/C manifold and vacuum pump from them that has been awesome
10:34 <@oddball> huh
10:35 <@Dolemite> I've had a compressor from Harbor Freight for nearly 5 years, now, and use it quite often.  I wouldn't use it if I was a roofer, but it's plenty good enough for tires and the occasional pneumatic tool use.
10:36 <@Dolemite> I also got a hammer drill from there for dirt cheap compared to Home Depot or Lowe's and it turned the stone fireplace into butter for me so that I could mount a mantle, so I was happy with it.
10:39 <@Evilpig> Mirage: because the 8GB one had the better sound tracks and the higher bitrate cuts down on the artifacts
10:42 <@Mirage> Damn ice..  Waiting on a part and it's flagged "Delayed" and stuck in PA
10:42 <@Evilpig> heh
10:43 <@oddball> oops
10:43 < dasunt> Harbor Freight is fine.
10:44 <@Mirage> Sucks, finally got something that I can use the 4x4 pickup for, but I can't really use/trust it until i get the part in..which is delayed thanks to the ice storms
10:44 < dasunt> I asked my dad about this once, since he was a deisel mechanic and he wrenches on his own trucks still, and he told me the good tools cost 5x as much as the cheap Harbor Freight stuff, so for the most part, he just buys the HF stuff and then if it gets destroyed or ruined and he has to buy a replacement, he's still out ahead.
10:45 <@Mirage> Most of the Harbor Frieght tools I've bought have generally lasted for 1-2 uses until they break or stop working.
10:46 < Synx|hm_> what kind of tools Mirage ?
10:46 <@oddball> Similar to the cheap tool kits I keep in my car from AutoZone.  Are they great?  Nope.  Will they get the occassional emergency job done?  Probably.  Are they cheap to replace if/when I lose them?  Yep!
10:46 < dasunt> I've had pretty good luck with HF tools so far.
10:46 <@Mirage> About the only thing that I've ever gotten there that's been worth a damn are the electric fly swatters and 12v Automotive air compressors.
10:46 < dasunt> I'm not sure if I'd trust their regular sockets with a breaker bar or anything, but otherwise...
10:47 <@oddball> Mirage is also damned hard on his tools.
10:47 <@Mirage> dasunt: nothing much, soldering irons, volt meters, pliers, wrenches, screwdrivers
10:47 <@Mirage> oddball: I use them well
10:48 <@Dolemite> I wouldn't trust their multimeters.  They are very cheaply made and not properly fused.
10:48 <@Mirage> My craftsman, dewalt, and snap-on/kobalt stuff works just fine.
10:48 < dasunt> I've basically bought hand tools from them.
10:49 < dasunt> What I've been noticing lately is fasteners have gone to hell from the "regular" hardware store (a local chain of Home Depot-like stores).
10:49 < Synx|hm_> ahh, the screwdrivers are cheapenough that you'll wear out the tips fast, thats one area i put some money into Wiha sets
10:49 < dasunt> And it's damn annoying when a screw breaks flush in a maple hardwood floor.
10:49 <@Mirage> oddball: you're just still sor about me breaking the phillips bit on your multitool when removing the rock from Dolemite's impellor at the lake.
10:50 < Synx|hm_> ha
10:50 < dasunt> Fool, everyone knows you use the slotted bit to remove rocks from impellors.  ;)
10:50 <@Mirage> dasunt: it was to to remove the grate that's supposed to keep larger rocks and stuff from being sucked in.
10:51 <@oddball> Well... yeah... :p
10:57 < Synx|hm_> citizen four is out in the usual places btw
10:59 <@Evilpig> what is citizen four?
10:59 < Synx|hm_> snowden doc
11:01 < Synx|hm_> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt4044364/
11:01 < PigBot> Title: Citizenfour (2014) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
11:03 < dasunt> Meh.
11:04 < Synx|hm_> i watch a lot of doc's so its exciting for me
11:04 < Synx|hm_> maybe i should watch freedom downtime again
11:04 < Synx|hm_> on that note ESPN's 30 for 30 series are fucking amazing
11:04 < Synx|hm_> i only really watch hockey but ive been eating up 30 for 30 on all sorts of shit
11:06 <@Evilpig> They've talked about those on the radio a few times.  I just never bothered to seek them out
11:07 < Synx|hm_> the miricle and men (about USA hockey when we beat USSR but from the perspective of the russians with interviews)
11:07 < Synx|hm_> 'Of Miracles and Men' that is
11:09 < dasunt> I've watched a few good documentaries - just finished King of Kong which was very entertaining, if a tad misleading (read the Wikipedia article for details).
11:12 < RangerZ> dasunt: same here, been watching a lot of documentaries recently too, really enjoyed http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0144117/ ;)
11:12 < PigBot> Title: The Boondock Saints (1999) - IMDb (at www.imdb.com)
11:29 < dasunt> Not a documentary quite yet.  ;)
11:30 < RangerZ> you've never seen one of my family reunions....
11:30 < RangerZ> hehe
11:30 < dasunt> So anyways, I'm thinking that there should be a collective list of what smart people should avoid learning about to increase their happiness.
11:30 < RangerZ> aestetix Q.E.D.
11:30 < Synx|hm_> put all things govt and nsa related
11:31 < Synx|hm_> at the top of that list
11:31 < dasunt> For example - traffic congestion.  It seems apparent that building more roads would reduce congestion.  In practice, it does not (it just increases demand).
11:31 < RangerZ> dasunt: thats not quite true, only GOOD roads build demand
11:31 < dasunt> RangerZ: True...
11:31 < RangerZ> literally the 'bridge to nowhere' went to a island where no one lived, etc
11:32 < RangerZ> dasunt: advanced Computer Architecture
11:32 < dasunt> The Bridge to Nowhere was expensive though.
11:32 < RangerZ> because the more cache/levels of cache you add, the worse the system degrades
11:32 < dasunt> Maybe we need to encourage politicians to fund roads on the salt flats in the American Southwest or something.  Cheap to build, and then they can claim to have added X miles of new roads.
11:32 < RangerZ> UNLESS your OS/program knows how to handle it
11:33  * RangerZ feels dirty having to download MS OFFICE, even if it is free
11:33 < dasunt> Maybe the whole concept of "diminishing returns" should be avoided.
11:34 < RangerZ> dasunt: recent studies show "religion"
11:34 < RangerZ> lol
11:34 < dasunt> History is another subject to be avoided.
11:34 < RangerZ> the news
11:34 < RangerZ> current affairs
11:34 < RangerZ> politics
11:34 < RangerZ> weather
11:34 < RangerZ> climate
11:34 < dasunt> Well, a little bit of current affairs and politics is okay, as long as you're an idiot.
11:34 < RangerZ> again aestetix
11:35 < dasunt> That way you can say "glass sandbox would solve the problem" and feel like you're smarter than the president.
11:35 < RangerZ> 4chan
11:35 < RangerZ> crazypants
11:35 < RangerZ> but crazy hats are alright
11:35 <@oddball> dasunt: Well, it would solve that particular problem... it would most probably create a few more, but... :p
11:36 < dasunt> oddball: But those problems are other people's problems.  Sure, you're an idiot, but you've mostly internalized the benefits (the feeling of superiority) and externalized the drawbacks (we might start WWIII).
11:36 < RangerZ> well obviously we just need to go to the republican idea... getting rid of the 17th amendment
11:37 < RangerZ> and stop non-white land owners from voting
11:37 <@oddball> And killed a whole shit ton of people in the process.
11:37 < RangerZ> thats one of their planks right?
11:37 < dasunt> Oh yah, don't learn about the poor.  It's better to think they are all lazy bums who have kids and don't work, and any one of them could be middle class if they just got a job at McD's and pulled themselves up by their bootstraps.
11:38 < RangerZ> (actually getting rid of the 17th amendment (direct election of senators) IS part of their state policy some years...)
11:38 <@oddball> dasunt: You mean that middle class that disappearing?
11:38 < dasunt> oddball: I think you mean "lazy people falling out of the middle class".  I'm not lazy, therefore, I'm safe.
11:38 < RangerZ> dasunt: can't learn about philosophy
11:38 < dasunt> ^- See, ignorance.
11:39 < RangerZ> dasunt: need to go back to where you can be kicked off your health insurance the day you get sick
11:39 < RangerZ> that'll help too
11:39 <@oddball> RangerZ: Really?  Most of the right wingers that I know that want to change how senators are elected want to go back to the old way of having the state appoint them (and the House continue to be voted on by the populous)
11:39 < RangerZ> thats what I said
11:40 < RangerZ> repeal the 17th amendment
11:40 < RangerZ> which would make it go back to state-elections, not 'direct elections'
11:40 <@oddball> Ah, misunderstood your statement.
11:41 <@oddball> Yeah... they basically want to go back the equivilant of the british house of commons/house of lords setup.
11:42 < dasunt> I haven't really figured out if the American System or the Westminster system is better.
11:43 < dasunt> But I will point out that we used to have fights between Senators in America.  If we're bringing any of the old political setup back, we need to bring back one senator beating on another.
11:43 <@oddball> I'll happily supply some canes.
11:43 < RangerZ> funny think about UK... is that only 2 nations have clergy 'directly' appointed to their legislature... UK and Iran
11:44 < RangerZ> and that the UK has no written constition
11:44 <@oddball> There hasn't been a good caning in the halls of the Senate in entirely too long.
11:44 < RangerZ> Constitution*
11:44 < dasunt> I'd watch CSPAN if Boehmer got caned.
11:44 <@oddball> I would think that the Vatican would pretty much fall into that group as well. :p
11:45 < RangerZ> nah, they don't pretend to have a legislature
11:45 < RangerZ> so doesn't count
11:45 <@oddball> ah
11:49 <@benthemeek> Hey guys are any of you having slow load times to yahoo on comcast?
11:50 <@benthemeek> Really wird just that site affected?
11:50 < dasunt> I see your problem, "on comcast".
11:51 <@benthemeek> it takes like 5 minutes to load yahoo. I have tried two different comcast connections
11:51 < dasunt> tracert?
11:51 <@benthemeek> Just yahoo. Makes me think someone at comcast is pissed at yahoo :P
11:51 <@benthemeek> ping times are goog
11:51 <@benthemeek> good*
11:51 <@benthemeek> but I didnt try tracert
11:53 < RangerZ> it could be a network junction between comcast and whoever hosts yahoo is over-congested
11:53 < RangerZ> QoS from comcast allows ping IIRC
11:53 < RangerZ> b/c 'fuck you'
11:54 < RangerZ> like when that guy made the artificial netflix traffic simulator and showed how they were QoSing his conn.
11:55 < RangerZ> benthemeek: how many PCs do you have for your porta-lan ?
11:55 < RangerZ> b/c you might want to look into setting up artemis bridges
11:56 < RangerZ> http://www.artemis.eochu.com/
11:56 < PigBot> Title: ARTEMIS | Spaceship Bridge Simulator (at www.artemis.eochu.com)
11:56 < RangerZ> wtf, its even on steam now, lol
12:13 < Synx|hm_> RangerZ: ive been having issues too
12:13 < Synx|hm_> some video streams just horribly slow but other networks i can saturate my connection with
12:16 <@benthemeek> I added 9 laptops to it last weekend
12:17 <@benthemeek> It just got much mor eportable
12:17 <@benthemeek> but they are older. Had to find a non-pae kernel.
12:17 <@benthemeek> They run unreal great and fit in my car better!
12:19 <@benthemeek> Its actually a small enough rig to bring to geeknic if there is interest
12:22 < RangerZ> benthemeek: you should look into artemis then
12:22 < RangerZ> its designed to run on like p1s
12:22 <@aestetix> hi
12:27 < Synx|hm_> RangerZ: are you saying comcast puts ping in high QoS bucket to make customer think their traffic is fine?
12:29 < RangerZ> Synx|hm_: ....no....
12:29 < RangerZ> comcast would NEVER do that
12:29 < RangerZ> that would just be a dick move...
12:29 < RangerZ> lol
12:30 < RangerZ> same as with 'speed tests' , you always got to test a location like 3~4 states away at least
12:30 < _NSAKEY> Comcast is the best rated residential ISP in the country. They are incapable of screwing their customers over!
12:30 < RangerZ> b/c they generally give overly good results if you pick the ones near you, etc
12:31 < Synx|hm_> ha i was serious, it would surprise me not in the least if they did that, im just curious if its documented
12:31 < Synx|hm_> QoS EF on all ICMP hahahaha
12:31 < Synx|hm_> that could be hilarious
12:31 < RangerZ> honestly I have no idea if ICMP is QoS'd but it wouldn't surprise me
12:34 < Synx|hm_> the only good thing ive seen from comcast is full working dual stack ipv6 and ipv4
12:34 < Synx|hm_> i have a /64 prefix from them
12:35 < RangerZ> part of me thinks that it would be worth running for a house seat.. and looking to be a house committee where I could interview comcast
12:35 < RangerZ> and just to tell them to shut up and stop lying
12:35 < Synx|hm_> testmy.net is the only speed test site i trust btw, and all last week it showed 3-6Mbps while speedtest.net showed 50mbps
12:36 < RangerZ> "your lips are moving so you are lying, and your hands are moving so you must be trying to screw customers"
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12:36 < RangerZ> speedtest.net is good if you try several states away I've found
12:36 < RangerZ> b/c then it shows it is Border gateway issues
12:36 < RangerZ> where comcast isn't opening up enough 10gbit ports to other networks
12:37 < Synx|hm_> 60Mbps down steady to bossier city, la right now
12:37 < Synx|hm_> lets see what testmy.net thinks
12:38 < Synx|hm_> 61.7Mbps, id say what ever was going on last week is resolved
12:39 < Synx|hm_> oh neat testmy.net keeps logs so i can see historical data on my connection
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12:49 < Synx|hm_> also... measles has killed a toddler
12:49 < Synx|hm_> jesus
12:49 <@oddball> At least the kid didn't develop autism!
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12:50 <@aestetix> haha
12:50 < Synx|hm_> i didn't read the article so im not sure if the kid was vaccinated or not yet, or perhaps it was before the series was scheduled
12:50 < Synx|hm_> i wonder how long it take after the vaccination to become immune
12:51 <@oddball> I want to say that the MMR takes a week or two.  I can't remember if that's one of the ones that takes multiple shots.
12:51 <@oddball> Dolemite might be able to tell us, what with having kids.
12:53 < Synx|hm_> well so do i, and kid just had those shots within 6months just dont remember
12:54 <@oddball> Ah, nevermind then. :p
12:54  * Dolemite sees his name mentioned
12:54 <@Dolemite> eh?
12:55 <@Dolemite> You don't get MMR until after either 12-18 months old, I can't remember
12:55 <@oddball> nevermind old man, go back to sleep.
12:55  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
12:57 < Synx|hm_> time to shave the beard this weekend so bummed
12:57 < Synx|hm_> always right when it comes into its own
13:11 <@aestetix> Synx|hm_: whats forcing you to shave?
13:12 < Synx|hm_> your united states airforce reserve component
13:13 < Synx|hm_> its time for the bimonthly (every two months) drive on down to good ole Barksdale AFB
13:15 <@aestetix> oh
13:16  * Synx|hm_ is one of them
13:16 < dasunt> Everytime I deal with the US healthcare system I wonder if NIH is worse.
13:19 <@aestetix> There's no way it could be worse.
13:19 <@aestetix> The US healthcare system is godawful.
13:21 <@benthemeek> Dolemite: do you think the hotel at geeknic would be willing to give us a few hours in a conference room?
13:21 <@Dolemite> uh
13:21 <@Dolemite> I have no clue how many are even going, so I'd be asking from a point of zero leverage
13:22 <@benthemeek> It was just a thought. There will be at least 6 kids and us parents I thought I might bring the unreal rig and let them all play a little while
13:22 < dasunt> I just love how people tell me that at least in the US, you can get things done quickly.  Sure, if you can pay a lot of cash.
13:22 < Synx|hm_> you should try out tricare
13:22 < Synx|hm_> its a disaster of epic proportions
13:23 < Synx|hm_> i could pay $150ish for the family and kid full coverage low deductable but i wont because its soo painfully horrible
13:23 <@benthemeek> Dolemite: Yeah, and we are staying in the sister hotel :/
13:23 < dasunt> Well, the first health insurance I was on lowballed the monthly billing.  So when a lot of people flocked to them because of the ACA, they ended up losing a shit-ton of money.  Their "solution" was to raise their price drastically.
13:24 < dasunt> I jumped to health insurance #2, which I'm currently dealing with.  Same problem as the first - they need a shitload of documentation and phonecalls to cover a prescription that's the textbook treatment for a condition.
13:25 < dasunt> I get health insurance #3 starting in April due to the wife's new job.  I'm expecting as much of a delay as the first two.
13:25 < dasunt> The only health insurance I've actually liked is Minnesota's poor person healthcare that I qualified for when I was unemployed.  I never had to argue with them, stuff was just covered.
13:27 <@aestetix> I wish all health insurance companies were required to be non-profits
13:29 < dasunt> Agreed.  It wouldn't be a great solution, but it would be better than what we have.
13:29 < dasunt> I just wish I could buy into the state's poor person healthcare.  IIRC, their per capita costs aren't that bad.
13:52 < RangerZ2> http://www.infoworld.com/article/2886735/it-careers/should-you-hire-a-software-developer-talent-agent.html
13:52 < PigBot> Title: Should you hire a software developer talent agent? (at www.infoworld.com)
13:52 < RangerZ2> HAHAHA
13:59 <@oddball> A software developer... talent agent...
13:59 <@oddball> I think I'd rather form an IT union.
14:00 <@oddball> aestetix: Yeah... I'm with you on that.  People actually *using* their product is directly against the interest of indurance companies... and some have been famous for realizing that (Allstate).
14:07 < RangerZ2> statefarm cancelled my insurance the day I got in a wreck
14:07 < RangerZ2> they 'say' it was 2hrs before the accident
14:07 < RangerZ2> and its their word > mine
14:07 < RangerZ2> apparently years later, the AG of ohio went after them for it
14:08 < RangerZ2> but it still caused me headaches for almost a year
14:08 < RangerZ2> even the judge was like "no... you had insurance... we're not charging you for anything like that"
14:08 <@oddball> Sounds about right
14:09 <@oddball> When my dad did insurance law, he knew that just about anytime the other guy had Allstate or Statefarm, it was going to be like pulling teeth.
14:10 < RangerZ2> thankfully Ohio has "no contest"
14:11 < RangerZ2> so the judge was like "do you just want this to go away?" and I'm like, "yes your honor"
14:11 < RangerZ2> 125$ later, all handled
14:11 < Synx|hm_> oh?
14:11 < Synx|hm_> well fuck time to drop statefarm motorcycle ins
14:11 <@Dolemite> Progressive has good motorcycle insurance rates
14:11 < Synx|hm_> sweet ill call them, thanks
14:12 < RangerZ2> yeah
14:12 <@Dolemite> online them
14:12 < RangerZ2> they are who I have for car insurance
14:12 < Synx|hm_> Dolemite: you ride?
14:12 <@Dolemite> yes
14:12 < RangerZ2> he more "rolls down the road"
14:12 < RangerZ2> ;)
14:12 <@Dolemite> I live 40 minutes from The Dragon.  I think it's a requirement.
14:12 < Synx|hm_> what? i have a 2010 Triumph Thruxton (cafe racer look)
14:12 < Synx|hm_> ya i need to visit the dragon soon on the bike
14:12 <@Dolemite> I ride a 1993 Honda ST-1100
14:13 <@oddball> The reason why I've stuck with USAA: the couple times my family has had to use the insurance, their reaction was "oh, sorry to hear that.  We'll take it from here."
14:13 < Synx|hm_> usaa is awesome
14:13 < Synx|hm_> but they dont do motorcycle ;)
14:13 < Synx|hm_> i use them for everything else though
14:13 <@oddball> Really?  That's odd.
14:13 < Synx|hm_> they paid for every thing in my apartment when it cought fire no questions asked
14:14 <@opticron> oddball, do you bank with USAA as well?
14:14 <@oddball> Of course, I guess since they're aimed at military, they can't afford to deal with the young enlisted guys wiping out.
14:14 <@Dolemite> Me on my bike -> https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=955847234440474&set=a.153196101372262.37218.100000456204292&type=1&theater
14:14 < PigBot> Title: Profile Pictures (at www.facebook.com)
14:14 <@oddball> It's the only credit card I have.
14:14 <@Dolemite> On the Dragon, even
14:14 <@opticron> how's the banking side of the experience?
14:14 <@oddball> I know someone that uses them for their checking account, etc... I just like being able to talk to someone face to face about that sort of thing.
14:15 < Synx|hm_> Dolemite: ha nice, ive got a few dragon pics like that from years ago with a subaru group, i take it that guy still sits at the corners on the weekend and takes photos
14:15 < Synx|hm_> opticron: its awesome
14:15 <@opticron> I have an account number with USAA, but haven't started using any of their services
14:15 < Synx|hm_> opticron: they re-imburse debit card fees because they dont have banks
14:15 <@opticron> ooooh
14:15 <@oddball> yep
14:15 <@opticron> that's a fun one
14:15 <@oddball> and they're a credit union, so they have a vested interest in not fucking over the customer.
14:15 < Synx|hm_> yup
14:16 <@oddball> Which also means you get money back at the end of the year. :)
14:16 <@oddball> Which... uh... goes straight to paying my insurance in my case.
14:17 < RangerZ2> HA
14:17 < RangerZ2> i backed up MSFT office .zip and saved my cd key
14:17 < RangerZ2> lol
14:17 < Synx|hm_> :) i use em for home owners, property, auto, and checking/savings
14:18 <@Dolemite> Synx|hm_: That little guy is now about 5-6 locations along The Dragon, and 1-2 along the Cherohala Skyway when the weather is nice.
14:19 < Synx|hm_> nice, somebody started doing the same thing on mulhulland in malibu too
14:19 < Synx|hm_> neat idea
14:19 <@Dolemite> I like the Cherohala better for riding.  The Dragon is technically challenging but in my opinion, not really as fun.
14:19 < Synx|hm_> i prefer slow technical, i dont like the idea of making a mistake at freeway speeds
14:20 <@Dolemite> Yeah, then the Cherohala Skyway is the one to ride
14:20 < Synx|hm_> and in the car cherohala would need to be taken at insane speeds to be that fun and no way is it worth the rist
14:20 <@Dolemite> Wide, sweeping curves and awesome views from > mile above sea level
14:20 < Synx|hm_> but ya amazing views
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14:33 < Synx|hm_> Dolemite: if i make it this year ill let you know and we can meet up and ride
14:37 < Synx|hm_> Dolemite: http://i.imgur.com/uv50bcw.jpg
14:39 < RangerZ2> Synx|hm_: oh thank god it wasn't a multi-seat sex toy
14:39 < Synx|hm_> lol
14:52 <@opticron> RangerZ2, you sure that's not what that is?
14:56 < RangerZ2> opticron: not with Synx|hm_ and Dolemite's skill level
14:57 < RangerZ2> also... http://www.clevelandbrowns.com/team/2015_Logos.html wow... just changing the color orange... that little...
14:57 < PigBot> Title: Cleveland Browns (at www.clevelandbrowns.com)
15:01 < RangerZ2> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/espns-keith-olbermann-suspended-for-penn-state-tweets-thon/ suspended for telling the fucking truth
15:02 < RangerZ2> btw... Penn State and NCAA gave back the victories to the coach
15:02 < RangerZ2> b/c apparently NCAA didn't have any 'by laws' for punishing a coach like they did
15:06 <@aestetix> gh
15:06 <@aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8hy8NxZvFY
15:06 < PigBot> Title: Debate: Atheist vs Christian (Richard Dawkins vs Cardinal George Pell) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
15:06 <@aestetix> richard dawkins is such a dick
15:06 < RangerZ2> aestetix: and thats a problem?
15:06 <@aestetix> RangerZ2: it distracts from his points
15:07 < RangerZ2> for a vibrant debate you need people on both extremes, just ask SF and ycombinator
15:07 < RangerZ2> and shanely
15:07 <@aestetix> hahaha
15:07 < RangerZ2> actually I think that is true, even if it isn't "convincing" to the other side
15:07 < RangerZ2> if he helps sqade the middle
15:07 < RangerZ2> swade *
15:07 < RangerZ2> speaking of olbermann
15:08 <@aestetix> actually in this video I think richard dawkins loses
15:08 < RangerZ2> his "special commentaries" are what vitalized the liberal progessives in 2005 or so
15:08 < RangerZ2> or whenever those started
15:09 < RangerZ2> because before then, the left was just cow-towing to republicans over social and national policy decisions b/c of 9/11, etc.
15:09 <@oddball> And now he's doing for ESPN what he did for MSNBC!
15:10 < RangerZ2> and making multi-millions a year
15:10 < RangerZ2> so... ehh...
15:10 <@oddball> yep
15:10 < RangerZ2> he got 20m+ at current
15:10 < RangerZ2> each year
15:10 < RangerZ2> all ...2... or so it existed before Gore sold it to al jeziera
15:11 <@aestetix> keep in mind that I've become really interested in taking an analytic approach to the bible
15:11 <@aestetix> that is a scientific analysis.
15:11 <@aestetix> well actually not scientific, but rationalist approach
15:12 <@aestetix> (since science uses evidence, whereas rationalism uses reason)
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15:29 < RangerZ2> aestetix: you'll appreciate this http://www.tennessean.com/story/money/real-estate/2015/02/23/nashvilles-young-professionals-need-affordable-housing/23886779/
15:29 < PigBot> Title: Nashville's young professionals need affordable housing, too (at www.tennessean.com)
15:32 <@aestetix> lol
15:53 < _NSAKEY> The idea of Nashville as an "It City" still makes me laugh disrespectfully.
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16:00 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: On the note of rent being out of control, I saw a joke on Twitter last night about how there are fires in areas with lots of people paying low amounts of rent... before it magically becomes a high-rent area after all those people are cleared out.
16:18 < RangerZ2> _NSAKEY: it makes a lot of business sense
16:19 < RangerZ2> cost of living is like 1/2 of SF
16:19 < RangerZ2> office space is super cheaper, plus TN is stupid enough to give business tax holidays/credits for 10 years, etc
16:19 < RangerZ2> as long as they don't unionize
16:20 < RangerZ2> plus you have local talent that would LOVE to work for 80k
16:20 <@aestetix> man
16:20 < RangerZ2> whereas you'd need to pay ~2x that in SF
16:20 <@aestetix> 80k here is poverty
16:21 <@aestetix> like assuming your rent is 2500k/month, which doesn't include utilities
16:21 <@aestetix> then the various other cost of living things add up
16:21 <@aestetix> although 2500 is on the cheap end
16:22 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ2: It does make business sense, I just don't believe in Nashville.
16:22 < _NSAKEY> If that makes any sense.
16:23 <@aestetix> the median rental listing for a house in Davidson County was $890 per month in January 2013. By September 2014, this had jumped to $1,300 per month, an increase of 46 percent
16:23 <@aestetix> wow
16:23 <@aestetix> Are they coming from local Nashville suburbs, or from out of the area?
16:24 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Places like Smyrna think they're Brentwood now, if that tells you anything.
16:24 <@aestetix> That means nothing to me.
16:24 < _NSAKEY> Ah. Well, I did ask if you were local last night and you didn't answer.
16:24 <@aestetix> lol
16:24 < _NSAKEY> Or had been local in the past, rather.
16:25 <@aestetix> Nope.
16:25 <@aestetix> Is Smyrna a small town?
16:25 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, around 40,000 people or so.
16:25 <@aestetix> And what is Brentwood
16:26 < _NSAKEY> Brentwood = One of the places where the people with money have gone for decades.
16:27 < _NSAKEY> I've also heard of people who make daily commutes very similar to this: https://www.google.com/maps?ion=1&espv=2&bav=on.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=bv.86956481,d.cGU&biw=1485&bih=819&dpr=1&um=1&ie=UTF-8&gl=us&daddr=Nashville,+TN&saddr=Mt+Pleasant,+TN&panel=1&f=d&fb=1&geocode=KX_zOr04P2OIMTC5ht1wh_mR;KT2Q6xMy7GSIMaDa6aHQuT99&dirflg=d&sa=X&ei=nezsVPWnB5D8oATmz4KwDQ&ved=0CCEQ-A8wAA
16:27 < PigBot> Title: Mt Pleasant, TN to Nashville, TN - Google Maps (at www.google.com)
16:27 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: Hell, that's not even uncommon.
16:28 <@Dagmar> What they're really saying is that they don't want "new middle class" people living in Brentwood
16:28 < _NSAKEY> I just don't see how anyone does that day in, day out.
16:29 <@aestetix> that sucks
16:29 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Keep in mind that there isn't any real mass transit here either.
16:29 <@oddball> I used to drive down to Columbia on a regular basis to support on office down there.  Not that bad of a drive as long as the Cool Springs area wasn't fucked.
16:29 <@aestetix> So the highways get clogged?
16:29 < _NSAKEY> MTA runs some bus lines, and a handful of those even go outside of Nashville.
16:30 <@oddball> Not as bad as some places, but yeah.
16:30 <@aestetix> It seems that folks are now rejecting cars. Which is good.
16:30 < _NSAKEY> But there aren't even any cab services in Smyrna, for example.
16:30 <@aestetix> Except that many of our cities are built for cars.
16:30 < _NSAKEY> They have a cop who does inspections for potential cab services, but his job is basically to reject anyone who applies for licensing.
16:30 < _NSAKEY> At least, that's how it works in practice.
16:31 <@oddball> heh... oh really?  Didn't know that.
16:31 < _NSAKEY> oddball: Yeah. Some middle eastern guys bought up a bunch of old cars and vans, thinking they were going to use them as cabs in Smyrna.
16:31 <@oddball> And the you have LaVergne, who's police and fire departments have made open threats to folks that have questioned the local government.
16:32 <@aestetix> That seems pretty unAmerican
16:32 < _NSAKEY> That was ok until they were told that every cab they had had to be less than 2 years old.
16:32 <@oddball> Oh, that's small town politics.
16:32 < _NSAKEY> oddball: La Vergne isn't quite as bad anymore, since Tanning Bed Ted left.
16:32 < _NSAKEY> They douched out most of the flunkies with badges after him.
16:32 <@oddball> When did that happen?
16:32 < _NSAKEY> A few years ago.
16:33 < _NSAKEY> Whenever they have some drama happen now, the cops involved tend to get fired rather quickly.
16:33 <@Evilpig> http://obviousplant.tumblr.com/post/111701104083/trust-me-its-foolproof
16:33 < PigBot> Title: Obvious Plant — trust me, it’s foolproof (at obviousplant.tumblr.com)
16:33 <@oddball> This was just a couple years ago when they decided to double the property tax overnight.
16:33 < _NSAKEY> Remember when those cops beat up that Mexican guy for no real reason last spring?
16:33 <@oddball> yep
16:33 < _NSAKEY> They're not employed there anymore.
16:33 <@oddball> good
16:33 <@oddball> Of course, they're probably now employed by the m'boro police department...
16:34 < _NSAKEY> A lot of flunkies from Murfreesboro went to La Vergne.
16:34 < _NSAKEY> Tanning Bed Ted, for example, was at Murfreesboro.
16:34 <@oddball> ah
16:34 < _NSAKEY> He had to resign over something involving letting his underaged son and his girlfriend have alchohol, I think.
16:34 <@oddball> And given the fact that the m'boro police regularly make national news for "I am the law!!!" type actions...
16:35 < _NSAKEY> That, along with the quick draw practice stunt he pulled which directly lead to the death of a fellow cop in the 80s, made him fit to run La Vergne's PD.
16:35 <@oddball> ooooh yeah... and I think covering up the son's DUI.
16:35 < _NSAKEY> Remember that sheriff's deputy who got drunk and killed that girl a few years back?
16:35 < _NSAKEY> And they covered it up?
16:35 <@oddball> yep
16:35 < _NSAKEY> I know who engineered his bail.
16:35 < _NSAKEY> That whole business was dirty as hell.
16:35 <@oddball> gotcha
16:35 < _NSAKEY> Everyone involved in that eventually got pushed out, but not over that.
16:36 <@oddball> Of course, again, welcome to small town politics.
16:36 < _NSAKEY> Yup.
16:36 < _NSAKEY> Smyrna's probably worse than La Vergne on that front.
16:36 <@aestetix> I wonder what would happen if I went to a town hall meeting and asked him if he likes butt play
16:37 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: If the Smyrna mayoral candidate who was running on a platform of open corruption had won last November, I was going to do exactly that.
16:37 <@oddball> Depending on their mood at the time?  You might disapear.
16:37 < _NSAKEY> All of his campaign stuff brought up how he loved Jesus and was a businessman in every 3rd or 4th sentence.
16:37 <@aestetix> ...
16:37 <@aestetix> Wow, that would never happen here.
16:37 < _NSAKEY> I also know a girl who went to high school with him and actually hit him in the nuts with a text book because he was bullying a gay kid.
16:37 < _NSAKEY> Keep in mind, the candidate was in his mid 20s.
16:38 <@aestetix> Yeah that's how I'd handle that.
16:38 <@Dagmar> Was his last name 'Ridley'?
16:38 <@Dagmar> ...because if so, he was doing it to mock them.
16:38 <@aestetix> Have like 20 people lined up asking questions like "Would you consent to having a baby mouse shoved up your butt?"
16:38 < _NSAKEY> My plan was to ask him something like, "Since you're Bob Spivey's puppet, how far does his hand have to go up your ass before it becomes an act of homosexuality?"
16:38 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: The Ridleys are dead.
16:39 <@Dagmar> Not all of 'em
16:39 < _NSAKEY> They weren't nearly as bad as the Paul Johns/Bob Spivey machine made them out to be.
16:39 <@Dagmar> Reed is still alive or I'd have heard about it
16:39 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: The ones who matter politically are.
16:39 <@Dagmar> Then they just better hope Reed doesn't get any ideas.  Heh.  I know that guy.
16:39 < _NSAKEY> Meaning, the past mayors.
16:39 <@aestetix> was this recent?
16:39 <@aestetix> I can't imagine someone in their 20s bullying a gay kid
16:39 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: He did this back when he was in high school.
16:40 < _NSAKEY> That wouldn't have even hurt his polling numbers in Smyrna.
16:40 <@aestetix> And he's still... like that?
16:40 <@aestetix> wow
16:40 <@aestetix> Whereas here, if you say the word "tranny" publicly your social life is over.
16:41 <@oddball> I've mentioned that you live in a totally different world, right?
16:41 <@aestetix> heh
16:41 <@aestetix> It's easy to forget.
16:42 < _NSAKEY> My favorite though, was the guy running for judge who had a trial related to a drug bust he was involved in.
16:42 < _NSAKEY> He hasn't been convicted yet, so he could technically run.
16:42 <@aestetix> This is also where I don't undersatnd that there are churchgoers under the age of 60
16:42 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I live here, and don't understand that one either.
16:42 <@aestetix> Yes, but you probably see them.
16:42 <@aestetix> They don't exist here.
16:43 < _NSAKEY> I don't see them because I tend to not go by churches when people are going in and out on them on Sundays, but I get your point.
16:44 < _NSAKEY> http://hollingsheadformayor.com/
16:44 < PigBot> Title: Hollingshead For Mayor (at hollingsheadformayor.com)
16:44 <@aestetix> _NSAKEY: yes but if you were near a church you would see a bunch of them
16:44 < _NSAKEY> That kid ran on a platform of unapologetic corruption and smearing, and still managed to get around 43% of the vote.
16:45 < _NSAKEY> My favorite story related to him was of the time he decided he was going to campaign in front of a barber shop without even asking.
16:45 <@Dagmar> That might be because Smyrna was used to it
16:45 < _NSAKEY> He lied to the property owner to his face and said he had permission from the family.
16:45 <@Dagmar> The Ridleys were corrupt, but they were corrupt like Louisiana
16:45 <@Dagmar> They at least kept things working
16:45 < _NSAKEY> The Ridleys were altruistic in their corruption.
16:46 < _NSAKEY> Take the no-bid shadiness with city cars, for example.
16:46 < _NSAKEY> They had the chevy dealership in town, and sold the cars at cost to the city.
16:46 < _NSAKEY> They didn't do that to make any money.
16:46 <@Dagmar> Yep
16:46 <@Dagmar> Like I said, I knew Reed
16:46 < _NSAKEY> My dad worked there, and knew them both well.
16:46 <@Dagmar> ...or rather, know.  Haven't seen him since college
16:47 <@Dagmar> He was conflicted about it, because it was corruption, but they weren't necessariliy doing anything _bad_
16:47 <@Dagmar> heh
16:47 < _NSAKEY> Johns et al were just amazed when they started doing vids on city vehicles the "right" way, and the costs skyrocketed.
16:47 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, I know exactly what you mean.
16:48 < _NSAKEY> Saying they were corrupt is an oversimplification, and since their enemies tend to be the kind of simple shits that you and I made fun of at Mojo's, it works well enough for them.
16:49 < _NSAKEY> They did all sorts of other stuff like that too.
16:49 < _NSAKEY> The airport, for example.
16:49 < _NSAKEY> They bought it off the air force for a dollar, and I think donated it to the city.
16:49 < _NSAKEY> Johns and co decided to get a bunch of money to develop it and make it all nice... but most if it just got squandered or probably went into someone's pocket.
16:51 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Have you ever seen it's A Wonderful Life?
16:52 < _NSAKEY> If so, one of Smyrna's past mayors is almost a real-life version of Mr. Potter.
16:52 <@aestetix> yes
16:52 <@aestetix> hahaha
16:52 < _NSAKEY> Since he had the stroke, he even has the wheelchair to make the analogy 1:1.
16:52 <@aestetix> RangerZ2: here's a fun experiment. A realistic looking evidence link generator.
16:52 <@aestetix> Because nobody ever actually reads the links you cite as evidence in arguments.
16:53 < _NSAKEY> I don't even feel bad about saying that, because of all the shadiness he pulled and got away with it.
16:59 < RangerZ2> so alaska is 3rd state to legalize pot
16:59 < RangerZ2> 1 more year to be able to 'sell it'
17:01 < RangerZ2> hahahaha..... http://time.com/3720111/free-krispy-kreme-donut/
17:01 < PigBot> Title: Free Krispy Kreme Donuts Tuesday (at time.com)
17:01 < RangerZ2> nope... no relation to those two stories at all... nope...
17:03 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ2: I heard on the radio that they're only able to carry it on their person now.
17:04 < _NSAKEY> And that having weed in your home was already constitutionally protected there.
17:04 < _NSAKEY> Makes you wonder how long it will take the legalization push to really take off like gay marriage did.
17:06 <@oddball> Ah, but a lot of the gay marriage stuff has been because a nice man in a black robe told the state that they had to.
17:06 < _NSAKEY> That's a good point, but I still wonder how long it will take.
17:07 < _NSAKEY> It will also make Presidential elections more fun at some point.
17:07 <@oddball> Otherwise, you have states like TN where there are enough idiots to amend the state constitution to ban it.
17:07 < RangerZ2> _NSAKEY: apparently since the 1970s they have been allowed to have up to 6 plants in their house
17:07 < RangerZ2> and to smoke in your house
17:07 < RangerZ2> since Alaska has a "privacy" stipulation in its state constition
17:07 < RangerZ2> you just have to hope that a 'pot fairy' delievers you pot
17:08 < RangerZ2> (thats an actual quote from a state senator from up there) lol
17:14 < dasunt> You can grow it in Alaska, up to X number of plants, last I heard, under the same state constitutional privacy clause.
17:14 < dasunt> So you just need a 'pot seed fairy' to come by once.
17:15  * RangerZ2 swears he's talking into dead air
17:15 < RangerZ2> lol
17:18 < dasunt> Sure, you're one of those liberal elitists who expects that we'll read every line.
17:18 < dasunt> Ain't got time for that.  :p
17:18 < RangerZ2> yep... the 3 above what you say
17:18 < RangerZ2> lol
17:18 < dasunt> Three?
17:18 < dasunt> Is there a 15 second vine video that will sum it up instead?
17:18 < RangerZ2> I'm being a 'moderate'
17:19 < dasunt> Maybe a quick gif to explain your point.
17:19 < dasunt> Work with me here!
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17:19 < RangerZ2> ok Shadow404
17:19 < RangerZ2> i mean dasunt
17:19 < RangerZ2> sorry... typo ;)
17:20 <@oddball> Wow... who would have thought that me stating that I don't care who writes the books I read, as long as they're well written, etc was such a controversal statement on FB.
17:20 < RangerZ2> <-
17:20 < RangerZ2> lol
17:20 < RangerZ2> when you mentioned it in here, i knew what was incoming
17:21 < RangerZ2> hehe
17:21 < RangerZ2> why do you think I don't post to twitter
17:21 < RangerZ2> or FB much
17:21 < RangerZ2> almost not benefit
17:21 <@oddball> I'm tempted to post another one stating "I'm sorry I'm not racist/sexist/whatever."
17:22 < RangerZ2> OR you have to setup very limited 'lists' of who your posts actually go to
17:22 <@oddball> just to see if I can make heads explode.
17:22 < RangerZ2> and "ex+her friends" is a fun FB list to fuck with
17:22 < RangerZ2> post things there that will troll hard, lol
17:23 < RangerZ2> I had fun with that for a few months, lol (was pety, but 'ehh', hehe)
17:26 < RangerZ2> oddball: .... here...
17:26 < RangerZ2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FD3vUi9ibM8
17:26 < PigBot> Title: Dying Light Collectors Edition Costs £250,000 - IGN News - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:26 < dasunt> LOL:  http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21644918-poland-proposes-alternative-ceremonies-avoid-70th-anniversary-celebrating-russian?fsrc=scn/fb/wl/bl/battlingoverhistory
17:26 < PigBot> Title: Commemorating the second world war: Battling over history | The Economist (at www.economist.com)
17:27 < RangerZ2> comes with a Custom Built Zombie-Proof shelter built by Tiger Log Cabins
17:27 < dasunt> Seems like the Poles want to spoil Russia's WWII victory celebrations.
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17:28 < dasunt> That seems mean, what did the Russians ever do to Poland during WWII?  Well, other than invade them, ran mass executions of their military officers, then installed a puppet government that would run the country for the next 45 years.
17:28 < RangerZ2> dasunt: you mean like USA in IRAQ ?
17:28 < RangerZ2> ohh wait...
17:30 < dasunt> Hey now, we didn't do mass executions.
17:30 < dasunt> Hmmm, we also didn't deport a half million Iraqis.
17:31 < dasunt> The US's foreign policy often involves taking careful aim and then shooting ourselves in the foot, but we're better than Russia.
17:31 < dasunt> (Russia's foreign policy appears to involve drunken aiming and a shotgun.  YMMV).
17:32 <@Dickie> You're assuming our foreign policy is unsuccessful?
17:32 <@Dickie> Maybe they don't care about insurgents over the benefits of whatever the hell we're doing.
17:32 <@Dickie> Puppet states!
17:32  * Dickie annexes brimstone
17:33 <@Dickie> I mean, what're they going to do? Bomb us? Please. It's the year 2000. We're untouchable.
17:53 < RangerZ2> oddball: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bmr1-YD0iFE
17:53 < PigBot> Title: Embarassing Gamestop "How to Talk to Women" Video - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
17:53 < RangerZ2> post that
17:53 <@oddball> oh god... I never actually watche dthat.
17:54 < RangerZ2> just state that you wouldn't buy the book version
17:54 < RangerZ2> b/c it isn't well written
17:54 < RangerZ2> no matter what gender wrote it
17:54 < RangerZ2> lol
17:57 <@oddball> Although... frankly, that's one of those that I want to see actual evidence that that video was used by Gamestop and not some joke that folks failed to get.
17:57 < dasunt> Google has some hillarious ideas about what a bike friendly road is.
17:57 <@oddball> Especially since the narrator is talking about "our stores" while browsing a rack of maps instead of games.
17:58 <@oddball> dasunt: The ones that Top Gear did to "promote" biking?
18:00 <@aestetix> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/25/technology/path-clears-for-net-neutrality-ahead-of-fcc-vote.html?partner=socialflow&smid=tw-nytimes
18:00 <@oddball> So... yeah... I'm calling bullshit that that wasn't a joke video.
18:07 < RangerZ2> and that matters why?
18:07 < RangerZ2> still useful for trolling
18:07 < RangerZ2> lol
18:07 < dasunt> oddball: I get one high-traffic, no shoulder road as "bike friendly", and one restricted access road.
18:07 <@oddball> heh
18:07 < RangerZ2> or you could just email the nash2600 list and ask about dru's report, that wouldn't be trolling at all... nope
18:08 <@oddball> ha!
18:08 < RangerZ2> so... if DHS funding gets cut
18:09 < RangerZ2> most of them have to work without pay
18:09 < RangerZ2> ...well.... for 2 weeks... until they quit...
18:09 < RangerZ2> so TSA will still be up and running
18:09 < RangerZ2> b/c if they stopped the TSA and stopped flights... THAT would have impact
18:09 < RangerZ2> lol
18:10 <@oddball> or even worse: they let folks fly without the TSA... and nothing bad happens.
18:10 <@aestetix> haha
18:10 <@aestetix> I would be ok if the TSA had to halt operations
18:10 <@aestetix> But they would likely take the airlines down with them
18:10 <@aestetix> when does DHS funding stop?
18:11 < RangerZ2> friday at midnight
18:11 <@aestetix> sweet
18:11 < dfused> nice... I fly out Monday morning
18:11 < RangerZ2> dfused: not from the SE, i hope you mean
18:12 < RangerZ2> Syberian Express will hit us again
18:12 < RangerZ2> another ice storm
18:12 <@oddball> wait... I believe the BATFE is under DHS... does that mean I can make moonshine this weekend?
18:12 < dfused> from Savannah to Virginia
18:12 <@oddball> well, off to TKD class.
18:13 < RangerZ2> dfused: ahh you're ok, apparently the system that will hit mid sunday will be in the 40s
18:13 < RangerZ2> not 30s
18:14 < dfused> supposed to rain all f'ing week in VA. but down here it'll finally be up in the 70s.   fml.
18:14 < RangerZ2> nah
18:14 < RangerZ2> its too dirty
18:15 < RangerZ2> so you want to know my personal 'best' FML story?
18:15 <@aestetix> yes
18:16 < RangerZ2> I was taking grad level comp. arch. as an elective for my undergrad... and the prof was my advisor... and I was a lab. asst. (so I worked in the office and the labs)
18:17 < RangerZ2> I walked into the office and the admin. asst. asked me "whats wrong, you look disgusted", and I started into a mini rant about how dr S's homework doesn't work, I've spent a week on it, and the code he gave us doesn't make ANY sense, its gobbledygook
18:17 < RangerZ2> then he turns the corner and walks out from the side paper storage room
18:18 < RangerZ2> she later told me that she had to literally bite her tongue to stop from laughing
18:18 < RangerZ2> and he asked "whats wrong?" << like he didn't hear exactly what I said...
18:19 < RangerZ2> and I said ... "well I think your code might have some problems... b/c I've been working on it and it doesn't seem to work"... b/c if I was already that far gone... I might as well commit and not look like a backstabber who talks about people behind their backs
18:19 < RangerZ2> lol
18:19 < dfused> yup... no sense in hiding it
18:20 < RangerZ2> it felt like it was the longest 'uhhh....' in my life... between when he asked the question, and when I replied
18:20 <@aestetix> was she hot?
18:20 < RangerZ2> no
18:20 < RangerZ2> thats a different teacher you're thinking of, that had an affair with one of her students
18:21 < RangerZ2> she was hot ...ish...
18:21 <@aestetix> well no offense but engineering students generally think ALL women are hot
18:21 < RangerZ2> she had great body, 'meh' face
18:21 <@aestetix> so nice tits and ass?
18:22 < RangerZ2> but I've held the stories of what she did back in transylvania...
18:22 < RangerZ2> that 3 ring binder of her and his chat longs...
18:22 < RangerZ2> ...thankfully I never opened it...
18:22 <@aestetix> it wasn't anarchival was it?
18:22 < RangerZ2> back when that was still part of CCCP
18:23 < RangerZ2> no, much hotter than her, both body and face
18:23 < RangerZ2> and personality
18:23 < RangerZ2> education level
18:23 < RangerZ2> social interactions
18:23 < RangerZ2> lol
18:24 <@Evilpig> anyone in here have any systems with ECC running any flavor of ewwwbuntu?
18:24 < RangerZ2> actually yes
18:24 < RangerZ2> but I haven't 'ran' it in years
18:25 < RangerZ2> and old 1u dual xeon server I have
18:26 <@Mirage> Evilpig: I'd rather run a Windows server
18:35 <@Evilpig> oh wow.  apparently I have a first quarter goal that I wasn't aware of to investigate cold aisle containment solutions
18:36 < RangerZ2> good for you
18:36 < RangerZ2> when is your first quarter over? (mar?)
18:36 < RangerZ2> I don't know if yahoo does 'normal' quarters
18:36 < RangerZ2> etc
18:37 <@Evilpig> I just got a request to update our first quarter goals
18:38 <@aestetix> ECC = eliptical curve crypto?
18:38 < RangerZ2> error correcting code
18:38 < RangerZ2> memory that fixes bad sectors
18:38 < RangerZ2> or bad bits*, etc
18:38 < RangerZ2> via parity bits
18:38 <@Evilpig> well, it's supposed to 
18:38 < RangerZ2> parity bits only work 'so far'
18:39 < RangerZ2> if your ram is THAT messed up, there is no way to help you
18:39 <@Evilpig> basically what we're dealing with is this.  I have this grep I can run to show me the error counts of hte memory system
18:39 <@Evilpig>   grep "[0-9]" /sys/devices/system/edac/mc/mc*/csrow*/ch*_ce_count
18:40 <@Evilpig> it outputs a list of errors if any were recorded and we're currently matching it up against this map.  
18:40 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/r25a4rchh6820iv/2015-02-24%2015.49.28.jpg?dl=0
18:40 < RangerZ2> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ECC_memory if you are curious
18:40 < PigBot> Title: ECC memory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
18:40 <@Evilpig> MC0 - processor 0,  MC1 - processor 1
18:41 <@Evilpig> a0,b0,a1,b2,etc  the actual dimm slots on the board
18:41 < RangerZ2> with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAM_parity explaining how parity works
18:41 < PigBot> Title: RAM parity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
18:41 <@Evilpig> now this is working on our current hardware but I am curious to what others it applies, but it requires ECC
18:42 < RangerZ2> Evilpig: I'm pretty sure that it would work on all 2.6 and 3+ kernels
18:42 < RangerZ2> and probably older 'up to a point'
18:42 < RangerZ2> and 4.0 ;)
18:42 < RangerZ2> soonish
18:42 <@Evilpig> the last piece of magic comes from dmidecode -t memory and then converting those slots via the cpu refernce and bus into that style of map
18:43 < RangerZ2> are you using openDCIM there?
18:43 < RangerZ2> and is this for that?
18:43 < RangerZ2> or just a utility you are writing (script)
18:43 <@Evilpig> no we aren't, and no it isn't
18:44 <@Evilpig> this is purely for me to find bad dimms and get them out of my environment without shit like memtest, etc that are just horribly unreliable
18:44 < RangerZ2> i mean, are you planning on using this at work
18:44 < RangerZ2> ahh ok
18:44 <@Evilpig> probably
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19:05 < RangerZ2> my irony sensor just broke... https://twitter.com/anarchival/status/570354579088416768
19:05 < PigBot> Title: anarchival on Twitter: "Really the amount of shit that goes on in our tech community that really ought to see the light of day but doesnt could fill several blogs." (at twitter.com)
19:06 <@Evilpig> heh
19:11 <@aestetix> ugh
19:11 <@aestetix> why why why
19:11 <@aestetix> I left my previous place, and it is fucking battles to get the information to know if I need to exercize my stock options
19:12 < RangerZ2> just do it
19:12 < RangerZ2> or aren't they very high?
19:13 <@aestetix> well I can't afford to, I found a third party who will help but they need information
19:13 <@aestetix> Information which btw shuld be very reasonable to share
19:15 <@aestetix> http://peewee.com/2015/02/24/bowtie-new-black-pee-wees-big-holiday-premiere-netflix/
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22:32 < RangerZ2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw5vcUPyL90
22:32 < PigBot`> Title: POWER/RANGERS - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:33 < RangerZ2> so he made this with-OUT- permission of the copyright owners
22:33 < RangerZ2> and it won't be up long
22:33 < RangerZ2> worth checking out
22:33 < RangerZ2> he has real actors
22:33 < RangerZ2> katee sackhoff
22:54 < dfused> she's hawt
22:58 < RangerZ2> you've always like big women with black dresses and pointy hair
23:00 < dfused> ?
23:00 < RangerZ2> watch the video
23:00 < RangerZ2> lol
23:00 < dfused> nah
23:01 < RangerZ2> no, its the R rated version
23:01 < dfused> hell bent to get through these cbtnuggets befor ei crash tonight
23:01 < RangerZ2> its actually really interesting
23:02 < RangerZ2> jesus who cares... the who shot the 'american sniper' has been found guilty... why are stations giving lots of coverage to it
23:02 < dfused> cause anyone in hollywood is a hero now
23:03 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ2: I'm still trying to figure out which character the interrogator was supposed to be.
23:03 < RangerZ2> red ranger
23:04 < _NSAKEY> But he got gunned down in the truck flashback.
23:05 < RangerZ2> they have an extra 'ranger'
23:05 < _NSAKEY> I thought Tommy was the extra Ranger?
23:05 < RangerZ2> i mean beyond that
23:05 < RangerZ2> if you count them, they have 7
23:05 < RangerZ2> not 5+1
23:06 < _NSAKEY> Then again, they based this around a Japanese show and just re-filmed all the scenes without suits or giant monsters and robots so that they had American actors.
23:06 < RangerZ2> so I dunno
23:07 < RangerZ2> plus... I think I only saw the first series/season or something, so maybe there was two 'red rangers' or something like that
23:07 < RangerZ2> I could dive deep into the wiki rabbit hole on this....
23:07 < RangerZ2> but I'm not going to, lol
23:08 < _NSAKEY> The only thing worth knowing is that they took most of the footage from a Japanese show called Super Sentai.
23:10 < RangerZ2> i knew the original show existed, hell I did back then
23:10 < RangerZ2> didn't know the show's name, lol
23:10 < _NSAKEY> I just looked it up on Wikipedia.
23:13 < _NSAKEY> http://deadline.com/2015/02/power-rangers-fan-video-legal-fight-haim-saban-joseph-kahn-1201380926/
23:13 < PigBot`> Title: [WATCH] Power Rangers Fan Video Producers Might Be In For Legal Fight | Deadline (at deadline.com)
23:13 < _NSAKEY> I doubt this will go the same way as that Mortal Kombat trailer did a few years ago.
23:15 < RangerZ2> oh no
23:15 < RangerZ2> they are making a power rangers reboot
23:16 < RangerZ2> and this guy said "i only wanted to do this R version, i'd never do the PG full length"
23:16 < RangerZ2> lol
23:18 < RangerZ2> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCtZKOkqpBI it'll be -really- interesting to see if christie signs this...
23:18 < PigBot`> Title: New Jersey Becomes 4th State To Call For An Article V Convention - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
23:19 < _NSAKEY> I love how he took something as goofy as the power rangers and made it interesting.
23:20 < RangerZ2> yeah
23:23 <@aestetix> Ok maybe someone in here can help me
23:23 <@aestetix> Give me a justification for a bank having a 24 waiting period after depositing a cashier's check from another bank.
23:24 <@oddball> I believe this graphic may be of use to this group: http://www.saysuncle.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/sacred-cow.jpg
23:24 <@oddball> (SFW)
23:28 < RangerZ2> aestetix: the banks refuse to implement good security
23:28 < RangerZ2> so therefore you have to wait
23:28 < RangerZ2> b/c your bank has no way to know if another bank is 'real'
23:29 <@aestetix> ...
23:29 < RangerZ2> except banks outside the US
23:29 < RangerZ2> and like 1 in like WI
23:29 < RangerZ2> basically they do all their 'accounting' as batch processes at night
23:30 < RangerZ2> that way they can sort the 'deductions' from greatest to least
23:30 < RangerZ2> and if you happen to go over by a few dollars on your largest... you get hit with NSF for 'each' transaction
23:30 <@aestetix> IE a poor tax
23:30 < RangerZ2> pretty much
23:31 < RangerZ2> BOA (i think) finally just gave up on doing math on cobol/ibm300 series computers that can do base 10 math
23:31 < RangerZ2> and just use binary based CPUs/programs
23:31 < RangerZ2> and just round up to the penny on any transaction that needs it
23:32 <@Dagmar> Well, that seems quite reasonable
23:32 <@Dagmar> Giving up on the COBOL, I mean
23:34 < RangerZ2> yeah, but they refuse to use chip+pin
23:34 < RangerZ2> we ONLY get chip (no pin) starting next year
23:34 <@Dagmar> Well, it's _something_
23:35 <@Dagmar> There's a rather *eye-popping* number of dollars associated with fraud enabled by us not even having chips
23:35 < RangerZ2> not really, b/c skimmers will still work, and NOW the burden of proof will be on 'us' not the banks
23:35  * RangerZ2 twirls finger in air .... yaya
23:35 < RangerZ2> yay*
23:36 <@Dagmar> Skimmers shoudln't be able to extract the secret key needed for the challenge
23:36 <@Dagmar> ...or are we actually getting _stupid_ vhipd
23:36 <@Dagmar> rt chipd
23:36 <@Dagmar> @#$%@$
23:36 < PigBot`> Dagmar: Error: "#$%@$" is not a valid command.
23:36 < dfused> lmao
23:37 < dfused> nice
23:37 <@Dagmar> I've just been _assuming_ so far that we are getting the minimum _reasonable_ implmenetation
23:37 <@Dagmar> ...which would not be "chip is a fancy number holder"
23:37 <@aestetix> RangerZ2: so it sounds like this is another fallout of the guilded age. The company doesn't want to spend money so the customer gets fucked.
23:37 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ2: Chip and pin is still broken in Europe, so that's not even that much of a step up.
23:37 <@Dagmar> It's just *not* that expensive to use a card with enough brains on it to handle a simple cipher-based challende
23:37 < _NSAKEY> It's still better than the 60s garbage forced on us now.
23:37 <@Dagmar> I mean, fuck.  ZKP implementations are fucking easy
23:38 < _NSAKEY> http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~sjm217/papers/oakland10chipbroken.pdf
23:38 < RangerZ2> for god sakes ... AMIIBO have better embedded chips than credit cards
23:38 <@Dagmar> I can say with some amusement that I wrote a ZKP for ircII & eggdrop like four years before RSA published
23:38 < RangerZ2> THEY haven't been hacked yet
23:39 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: Jesus man
23:39 <@Dagmar> Fucking morons
23:39 <@Dagmar> This shit is just *not* hard
23:39 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Yeah, and we're getting the crippled version of THAT.
23:39 <@Dagmar> Right.  We need to fucking make people sorry for htat
23:40  * dfused looks the other way
23:40 <@aestetix> You know
23:40 < _NSAKEY> So publish Chip and PIN is Broken: Team America Edition.
23:40 <@aestetix> The problem with hacking a company is that they don't learn a lesson, they freak out and do the wrong thing.
23:40 <@aestetix> Which usually means adding some bullshit security and suing whoever hacked them into oblivioun.
23:41 <@Dagmar> Yeah, but if you produce a PoC system and publish that it _works_ and then ask "Why the fuck do people who have millions of dollars riding on it *fuck this up*?" it should be fun
23:41 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: The recent CFAA proposals don't seem to be helping either.
23:41 <@Dagmar> Do they truly not understand the mathematical value of entropy?
23:42 <@aestetix> If someone has millions of dollars, they want to make sure that they keep their millions of dollars.
23:42 <@aestetix> They don't care about anything else.
23:42 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Okay, so there's the problem
23:42 <@Dagmar> They _should_ be hiring people who can tell them how to do this correctly.
23:42 <@Dagmar> We _know_ how to do this correctly.
23:42 <@Dagmar> It's a fucking known.
23:42 <@aestetix> But they don't care.
23:42 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: But that costs money, and they'd rather be lazy and do less.
23:42 < _NSAKEY> It's not their money that's getting stolen anyway.
23:43 <@Dagmar> My problem is that it's _not that much money_
23:44 <@Dagmar> These cards, physically, are _cheap_
23:44 <@Dagmar> We _should_ be using cards with enough brains to handle a cryptographic challenge+response
23:46 <@aestetix> The cards arn'e the issue.
23:46 <@oddball> But doing it right's haaarrrrrd, and it will cost the banks an extra 20cents per card.
23:46 <@aestetix> The readers are.
23:46 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Seriously?
23:46 <@Dagmar> You could probably do this on a stock RPi board
23:47 <@oddball> Yeah, there is that.  The banks will have to lean on retailers to get new equipment.
23:47 <@aestetix> They would have to spend a fortune refitting all the card readers.
23:47 <@aestetix> I'm not arguing with that.
23:47 <@Dagmar> No, you build card readers that _don't suck_
23:47 <@Dagmar> The existing card readers are about as bright as a wtch
23:47 <@Dagmar> er watch
23:47 <@oddball> Which isn't what the retailers are currently using.
23:48 <@Dagmar> Yeah well, _eventually_ you have to replace old and outdated equipment
23:48 <@oddball> Go tell Walmart that they have to swap out every fucking machine in every store.
23:48 <@Dagmar> lol fuck that
23:48 <@Dagmar> A USB device could do this
23:48 <@oddball> Their response will be "fuck you, we just won't accept your cards."
23:49 <@Dagmar> Dude, as much money as the card processors make it would be stupidly easy for them to _provide_ the readers
23:49 <@aestetix> Dagmar: but then they are liable if fraud happens.
23:49 <@Dagmar> It's a _large_ fuckton of money lost we're talking about
23:49 <@Dagmar> Like, fourteen metric assloads.
23:49 <@Dagmar> I've seen figures as high as four billion
23:50 <@oddball> Oh, you're right.
23:50 <@Dagmar> aestetix: I'll make it simple.  "What fraud."
23:51 <@oddball> Part of the issue is that the banks refuse to accept this fraud as their problem, and continue to push it off as your problem.
23:51 <@Dagmar> No no no
23:51 <@Dagmar> I don't think you get it
23:51 <@Dagmar> We can build cards capable of performing crypto exchanges
23:52 <@Dagmar> Okay so, get this...
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23:52 <@Dagmar> Card reader accesses card, contacts processing provider.  Processing provider provides serial identifier and initial ZKP handshake
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23:52 <@Dagmar> ZKP handshake and transaction can complete
23:53 <@Dagmar> We can make cloning cards _insanely_ difficult
23:53 <@Dagmar> It just takes _math_
23:54 <@Dagmar> So the cool thing about ZKP is this...  You can authenticate a secret to a remote party without actually revealing it in the process
23:55 <@RangerZ> you can do that with rsa , its what we call 'oauth' now
23:55 <@Dagmar> ...and with all the wonderfully _easy_ ways we can get crypto libraries onto dinky devices, it shoudln't even be _hard_
23:55 <@RangerZ> its not fucking hard
23:55 <@Dagmar> Exactly.
23:55 <@Dagmar> All the cryptographic problems that have to be solved to make unique, non-repudiatable, and verifiable transactions are solved
23:55 <@RangerZ> we fucking learn it in undergraduate CS networking at vandy
23:55 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: They might get around to implementing that 50 years after chip and pin dies.
23:56 <@Dagmar> I don't see why we can't embarrass people into doing it now
23:56 <@oddball> I don't think anyone here was actually arguing that it would be easy to come up with something seriously more secure than our current credit cards.
23:56 <@Dagmar> I'm arguing that it's easy to come up with something that is nearly _perfect_
23:58 <@RangerZ> and with e-fuse, you can field-program it, and make the pin -truly- unknown to any 3rd party, etc
23:58 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Part of the problem will be that they're already gearing up for this big switch to new cards, and what you're proposing wasn't something they came up with.
23:58 < _NSAKEY> Classic case of Not Invented Here syndrome.
23:58 <@Dagmar> Sucks to be them
23:59 < _NSAKEY> Because of their cartel-like position, you're not going to be able to compete with the credit card companies.
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