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00:01 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: This gets funnier with each reply.
00:06 < RangerZ1> aestetix: I'd argue 'history', but thats just me
00:06 < aestetix> yeah I don't even
00:06 < aestetix> I mean they have a fucking wiki page with the names and photos of people they have banned
00:06 < aestetix> But they want to block someone from printing those flyers
00:07 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Do they?
00:07 < aestetix> yep
00:08 < _NSAKEY> Has anyone ever tried pointing out the hypocrisy in that?
00:08 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: I know better than to point out hypocrisy to SJWs
00:08 < _NSAKEY> Sounds like a committee of special snowflakes got a little out of hand.
00:08 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: That's because you haven't graduated from baby troll yet.
00:08 < aestetix> lol
00:10 < _NSAKEY> Oh wow.
00:10 < _NSAKEY> They even went as far as to link to some pastebin about a guy who got arrested for assaulting a cop.
00:11 < aestetix> I'm kind of radical in that I believe in unconditional free speech unless there is a reasonable expectation of harm.
00:11 < aestetix> Such as posting someone's photo, their name and address, and saying "I'll give $40 to someone to kill them"
00:11 < aestetix> (there is actually a supreme court decision that addresses that exact issue)
00:11 < _NSAKEY> This guy went into the back classroom and took Rayc's wallet out of his backpack. Rayc saw him with the wallet in his hand and the guy tried to say it was his. He then started running towards the door and was tackled by Jake. We made him show us that nothing was in his pockets, and he kept avoiding the big pocket in the front of his jacket. This pocket turned out to have Sasha's smart phone. During the search his crack pipe fell onto the ...
00:12 < _NSAKEY> ... floor and broke into many pieces. We let him go and told him not to come back.
00:12 < _NSAKEY> Ok, banning some guy like that is totally understandable.
00:12 < _NSAKEY> But hahahahahahahaha.
00:12 < aestetix> wtf
00:12 < aestetix> I didn't see that part
00:12 < aestetix> who the fuck brings a crack pipe into a hackerspace?
00:12 < _NSAKEY> I'm reading the 86 page.
00:13 < aestetix> oh man
00:13 <@oddball> yeah... That guy needed to go.
00:13 < _NSAKEY> The entry for "Jon(athan)" sounds like the guy was trying to sell drugs there.
00:13 < _NSAKEY> Or use it as a stash house.
00:13 < _NSAKEY> Jonathan was asked not to come back, due to allegations of organizing illegal activities from within Noisebridge and theft. A few days later, he had a proxy return to the space a few days later on his behalf to retrieve blankets, etc. that he'd apparently stashed in the darkroom. However, what his proxy took was apparently not the blankets that he wanted, and he shortly thereafter came upstairs and went into the darkroom, himself leaving ...
00:13 < _NSAKEY> ... with items that appeared to be bedsheets. The fabric his associate had taken was found in a heap at the bottom of the elevator and returned to the darkroom. Several days later, Jonathan returned to Noisebridge with his hand shoved in a gym bag, claiming he had a gun. He continued pushing past people to get into the main space, screaming constantly about killing everyone and then himself, and that everyone was to leave, or he would ...
00:14 < _NSAKEY> ... kill them all. He also claimed that the cops were hot on his trail and would arrive at Noisebridge at any moment, and that he intended to provoke a suicide-by-cop. Not sure on whether or not he did have a gun, people were not taking a chance as they filed for the exit. However, Derek, Jedi, Rayc, Ben, stayed behind, calling him on his bullshit. Four people swarmed him as he made a b-line sprint for the fire escape. They wrestled him ...
00:14 < _NSAKEY> ... to the floor and removed his bags away from him. Jedi arm barred and escorted Jonathan down the stairs to the sidewalk, bringing him over to the quickly-amassing phalanx of squad cars. Immediate consensus was that he is not welcome in the space again.
00:16 < _NSAKEY> https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/86
00:16 < PigBot> Title: 86 - Noisebridge (at www.noisebridge.net)
00:16 < _NSAKEY> This page is pure comedy gold.
00:16 < _NSAKEY> Some of these people deserve being named and shamed.
00:20 < aestetix> There's a erm for that isn't there?
00:20 < aestetix> the suicide-by-cop thing
00:20 <@oddball> the term is suicide-by-cop
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01:32 < RangerZ2> no idea if this got posted right or not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAPac0pmKM8 , but his 'revenge porn' site isn't what took him down, it was hiring hackers to steal personal pics/etc of others that took him down
01:32 < PigBot> Title: Revenge Porn Creator Going To Jail - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:34 < aestetix> I was just arguing with someone about torture tactics
01:34 < aestetix> I won with "give them acid and put them in front of a mirror"
01:34 < RangerZ2> why ?
01:34 < RangerZ2> it isn't legally admissable
01:34 < aestetix> lol
01:35 < RangerZ2> and doesn't give better results
01:35 < RangerZ2> the best results you can get is giving someone a steak
01:35 < aestetix> Depends what you're trying to do :p
01:35 < RangerZ2> thats what we did with the nazis after WW2 (the ones who knew about rocket tech)
01:35 < RangerZ2> there is a reason why AL has a lot of people with german last names
01:35 < RangerZ2> lol
01:37 < RangerZ2> and alzabadi (sp?) who was water boarded 180+ times or whatever the fuck it was... gave up the valuable info _before_ that started
01:37 < RangerZ2> to the FBI agent who just talked with him
01:37 < RangerZ2> you only torture, if you don't want real answers, and you just want the prisoner to say what you want them to say
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01:58 < aestetix> oh man
01:58 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: https://www.noisebridge.net/pipermail/noisebridge-discuss/2015-February/046049.html
01:58 < PigBot> Title: [Noisebridge-discuss] Unfairly removed, banned without consensus, and given no warning (at www.noisebridge.net)
02:08 < RangerZ2> aestetix: have you seen the research where the more time people spend on social media, the more depressed they are?
02:08 < aestetix> yes
02:08 < RangerZ2> that post is why
02:08 < RangerZ2> lol
02:08 < RangerZ2> drama
02:08 < aestetix> heh indeed
02:08 < RangerZ2> lol
02:09 < aestetix> IMHO that girl was completely justified
02:09 < aestetix> I mean the only real issue I could see is using NB paper/ink
02:09 < aestetix> which can easily be resolved by dropping a buck or two in the donation bucket
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02:10 < RangerZ2> I mean it -was- offensive
02:10 < RangerZ2> but is noisebridge against pissing people off?
02:12 < RangerZ2> aestetix: *poke*
02:13 < aestetix> fucked if I know
02:14 < RangerZ2> PM also, that you'll enjoy
02:15 < aestetix> I mean
02:15 < aestetix> I don't see how you can support wikileaks/snowden but be against that
02:15 < aestetix> you can disagree with it, but don't censor it
02:16 < aestetix> IMHO the appropriate response would have been to craft a flyer mocking hers
02:23 <@klixa> be aginast what?
02:26 < RangerZ2> us shipping crazypants to you
02:26 < RangerZ2> with food and water (and O2)
02:26 <@klixa> im not afraid f her
02:28 < RangerZ2> apparently we can't ship her via normal means
02:28 < RangerZ2> something about cruelty to the animals that would be shipped with her
02:28 < RangerZ2> we can't be harming sheep like that
02:29 < RangerZ2> and Intl. Trafficing of Arms Regulations on toxic material
02:29 <@klixa> someone needs to just punch her in the face
02:43 < RangerZ2> ehh, that wouldn't do any good, she's just go on the defensive
02:43 < RangerZ2> I still say that she just needs to finally date dru, and they can help solve each other's problems
02:43 < aestetix> bad mental image
02:47 <@klixa> i kinda feel bad for her that he wont date her
02:47 <@klixa> and i feel bad that she really thinks its just because she not asian or black or annie lenox
02:48 <@klixa> instead of realising he is just a manipultive person leading her on to get what he wants out of her
02:48 < RangerZ2> hehe
02:49 <@klixa> tbh, since i dont have to actually deal with her EVER, i feel bad for her...cause shes obviously mentally ill... and needs help...and everyone either hates her or uses her
02:49 < RangerZ2> yeah
02:49 < RangerZ2> same
02:51 < RangerZ2> Thats why I tried for long so as to not be mean to her
02:52 <@klixa> well, its hard not to be mean to her, just becaise she will attack at random...
02:53 < RangerZ2> but I (as everyone) has their limits.... and she went past them, lol
02:53 <@klixa> you arent her therpaist either, so its not your job to be nice and endorse her beavior
02:53 <@klixa> i wouldnt be nice to her if she was being mean to me...even if i do think she needs help
02:54 <@klixa> when i was younger, i was kinda messed up ...and no one was nice to me... and it helped.... it showed me the limits of acceptable behavior
03:00 < RangerZ2> younger = last week ;) ?
03:01 < RangerZ2> heheh
03:03 <@klixa> i still act better than aestetix
03:03 <@klixa> :D
03:23 <@Bahhumbug> <@klixa> someone needs to just punch her in the face
03:23 <@Bahhumbug> +10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
03:24 <@klixa> man, 5 or 6 months ago, if she had said that stuff to my face that she said on irc... shed have been punched
03:50 < RangerZ2> making baked chicken at 3am...
03:50 < RangerZ2> being an "adult" is weird
03:50 < RangerZ2> lol
03:53 < RangerZ2> http://www.dep-store.com/Bill-Nye-the-Science-Guy-The-Complete-Series-p/77a09pk00.htm
03:53 < PigBot> Title: Bill Nye the Science Guy: The Complete Series (at www.dep-store.com)
03:53 < RangerZ2> fucking 1k$ for it
03:53 < RangerZ2> b/c they stopped him at 99 eps
03:53 < RangerZ2> so it didn't hit 100 and go into syndication
04:08 <@klixa> i liked that show as a kid...but, he is annoying now
04:08 <@klixa> hes an attention whore
04:09 < RangerZ2> I dunno, I think he's filling a role that needs to be filled
04:09 <@klixa> he vanished for years, and now suddenly wants back in the spotlight but is like "hey look at me look at me"
04:09 < RangerZ2> both him and Tyson
04:09 < RangerZ2> ohh, no, he didn't vanish, he was doing work for bush all the time, same with tyson
04:09 <@klixa> i like nye and tyson... its just nye is acting weird
04:10 <@klixa> he was on bill maher, and kept interrupting and commenting during segments he wasnt suposed to
04:10 <@klixa> he vanished form the spotlight i mean
04:10 < RangerZ2> bush (for being as ... downgrades as he is b/c of all the coke he did...) was actually pro-science, etc...
04:10 < RangerZ2> downgraded*
04:10 < RangerZ2> which is kinda funny when you compare him to the current GOP
04:11 <@klixa> i got his book Undeniable, about pro evoltuojn, and it sucked cause it was mostly anecdotal lay people crap...i had hoped for something more scintific/intellectual
04:11 < RangerZ2> klixa: most people aren't up to that level....sadly
04:13 <@klixa> :(
04:14 <@klixa> i just wish someone woudl write a simple book about evolution... but still be scientific
04:14 <@klixa> like, i dont wanna read about all teh different telomeres, etc at teh ends of cell taht prove primate group 4893208493 was related to group 47298074 based on an abnormality in lie 7 of code g, of 48923084
04:14 <@klixa> but...i dont want "evoution happend...god is stupid" either
04:16 < RangerZ2> have you read the original Origin of Species?
04:16 < RangerZ2> from darwin?
04:16 <@klixa> no, nor do i want...its old...and it snot what im looking for
04:16 < RangerZ2> I haven't really read it in full, but from what I remember of it, it was like that
04:17 <@klixa> well, he didnt even know what a cell was
04:17 <@klixa> that was way before they knew about dna, and internal cell structure, etc. so i want something that mentions all that
04:19 <@klixa> ok, im falling asleep
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06:24 < RangerZ2> http://linux.slashdot.org/story/15/02/23/0535235/linux-kernel-switching-to-linux-v40-coming-with-many-new-addons ok...
06:24 < PigBot> Title: Linux Kernel Switching To Linux v4.0, Coming With Many New Addons - Slashdot (at linux.slashdot.org)
06:27 < RangerZ2> the closed GPU drivers and virtualIO seem the biggest improvements
06:27 < RangerZ2> but ehh
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06:39 <@RangerZ> ok, this is getting silly
06:39 <@RangerZ> I noramlly am not sitting at my desktop this much... but the constant join/part is silly since I'm streaming shoutcast, and its not dropping...
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07:44 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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07:59 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: are you still WoW'ing ?  http://www.darklegacycomics.com/478
08:00 < PigBot> Title: Leaving The Nest (at www.darklegacycomics.com)
08:31 < Synx|hm_> FML
08:31 < Synx|hm_> went to do a simple fix on the coolant system and fearing i have discovered something way worse
08:32 < Synx|hm_> i cant keep any vacuum on the system at all, so either one of my head gaskets are toast or i have a massive leak somewhere else like cracked turbo housing
08:32 < Synx|hm_> why does this shit always go horribly wrong
08:32 < Synx|hm_> also, day drinking at 2pm yesterday was a very poor idea, i feel like death
08:43 <@CRasH180> Death liquored over
08:44 < Synx|hm_> well time to go check the oil for coolant, then probably go vomit and lay on the couch in a sweaty mess all day
08:50 < Synx|hm_> oil smells at looks like oil at first glance, however there is more in the pan that expected, who wants to put money on if i drain the pan how much coolant comes out
08:53 < Synx|hm_> ugh really dreading starting on this, also have to solve a massive exhaust leak around the turbo, might as well put on injectors and new boost control valve while im in this mess today assuming the heads are not toast
08:55 <@CRasH180> Good luck
09:03 <@opticron> that sounds like a rough damn day
09:03 <@opticron> hungover and ripping into an engine
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09:08 <@RangerZ> Synx|hm_: you sure its not just a hose or hose clamp messing up?
09:09 <@RangerZ> but yeah, that sucks ass
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10:14 <@Evilpig> decoding memory errors sucks.
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10:33 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: It's good to know that Nashville isn't the only place with borderline pointless tech drama in large quantities.
10:35 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: other than crazypants nashville has any?
10:35 < RangerZ> lol
10:37 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: You're still forgetting about the fact that a lot of you guys have a problem with the way Dru has been doing things.
10:38 < RangerZ> yeah, but directly blame crazypants for that
10:38 < RangerZ> she was who put the ideas of dethroning him, etc into his head
10:38 < RangerZ> I actually have no problem with 'dru' personally, I think its kinda sad what has happened to him
10:38 < _NSAKEY> I think a lot of that can be boiled down like so: There are two camps. One which believes the con should be very self-sufficient, even if that means being able to do less. The other camp wants a bigger con, and wants it to be subsidized by more sponsors... Except they haven't figured out the finance angle, or how to attract more people, so it didn't work last year.
10:39 < RangerZ> i dunno, I don't think thats really the division
10:39 < RangerZ> the issue was PN being rand -poorly- last year
10:39 < RangerZ> we were all fine with sponsors, etc
10:39 < RangerZ> we've had them for years
10:39 < _NSAKEY> I think if you remove all the personal drama from it, that's what is left.
10:40 <@Dolemite> RangerZ: I think you're glossing over the sponsorship issue
10:40 < RangerZ> I'm glossing over the 'specific' sponsor, but sponsorship itself isn't a big issue
10:40 < _NSAKEY> Ok, maybe I'm just wording this poorly, but I do think a lot of it comes down to Dru wanting a much, much bigger con and bungling the operation of what he's got now.
10:40 <@Dolemite> In the past, 'sponsors' had been benefactors, more than sponsors.  The turn in the last couple of years has been more commercialized.
10:41 < _NSAKEY> He told me after the last meeting that he would like to grow it to 4 figure attendance.
10:41 <@Dolemite> When I ran it, the 'sponsors' we had didn't give a bucket of money to PN, they bought a specific piece of swag to hand out.  Now it's turned into a dependency on sponsor to simply run the con.
10:41 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: yeah, but the meetings weren't hostile or anything to those ideas, until crazypants came in here and started drama... and then the 4 officers went into comm-blackout
10:41 < RangerZ> the comm-blackout is what REALLY hurt things
10:41 < RangerZ> dru wouldn't reply to emails
10:42 <@Dolemite> Yes, the comm-blackout was the bridge burning
10:42 < RangerZ> etc
10:42 < _NSAKEY> I think the delays in this report aren't helping anything at all either.
10:42 <@Dolemite> Sponsorship wasn't THE issue, but it was/is still an issue
10:42 < RangerZ> we were ALL skeptical of dru getting 10k grants, etc... but said "sure" do whatever, but don't be stupid about money
10:42 < _NSAKEY> I imagine dru to be against doing it on the grounds of not feeding the trolls... But is just making it worse.
10:43 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: that was his excuse
10:43 < _NSAKEY> The sooner he gets that out of the way, the sooner the group can move on and hopefully plan a PhreakNIC that doesn't lead to months of drama.
10:43 < RangerZ> but it -really- did make things worse
10:43 < RangerZ> if elonka hadn't moved here, this would have been settled via some gov't org.
10:43 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, dismissing critics as trolls isn't really productive.
10:44 < RangerZ> dru aught to be thankful she is removing all the responsibility from him, b/c otherwise I would have ran a year long campaign stating how dink's check was a personal check to dru, not to the org, lol
10:45 < _NSAKEY> Honestly though, I think the speaker content they had this year was pretty good.
10:45 < RangerZ> I wouldn't know, I looked at the website a week before the con and the same 8 people were listed
10:45 < RangerZ> and one was a "superhero" from atl...
10:45 < _NSAKEY> If he can replicate the quality of the speakers and make everything else better, I think PN19 will be better.
10:46 < _NSAKEY> That was actually an interesting talk.
10:46 < RangerZ> he won't be involved
10:46 < RangerZ> he's going to quit
10:46 < _NSAKEY> The guy talked about rolling his own predictive policing solution by hand.
10:46 < RangerZ> he didn't even reply to the doodle poll of when he'd show up
10:46 < RangerZ> and if he hasn't turned in that report
10:46 < _NSAKEY> That has lead to him buddying up with the Freeside Atlanta people, and I understand they're working on something that's less hand-rolled now.
10:46 < RangerZ> then.... he's out
10:47 < _NSAKEY> I'm still waiting to see what is said about VP elections.
10:47 < RangerZ> they weren't real
10:47 < RangerZ> basically
10:47 < RangerZ> and notlarry stepped down
10:47 < RangerZ> and quit
10:47 < _NSAKEY> Since NotLarry is out, no matter how much you guys pillory Amber at the next meeting.
10:48 < _NSAKEY> I thought the idea of having an officer who wasn't going to toe the party line was interesting.
10:48 < _NSAKEY> But that was before Hurricane Elonka.
10:48 < RangerZ> yeah
10:50 < RangerZ> http://www.lairdtech.com/
10:50 < PigBot> Title: LairdTech | Smart Technology. Delivered. (at www.lairdtech.com)
10:51 <@Neoteric> okay so elonka means well
10:51 <@Neoteric> and is organied
10:51 < RangerZ> wtf... who puts your STOCK PRICE on your main page...
10:51 <@Neoteric> and detailed oriented
10:51 <@Neoteric> and it sounds like king dru is still up to his "hope and prayer" crap .
10:51 <@Neoteric> that's not good when there's a $10k fuckup
10:51 < RangerZ> Neoteric: and she has the voice of authority, which the current officers refuse to give anyone in this chat
10:52 <@Neoteric> oh ?
10:52 < RangerZ> she's the chair of the board
10:52 < RangerZ> let alone her clout
10:52 <@Evilpig> anyone local can get authority without being an officer if you have the presence to move the room
10:52 <@Evilpig> that's all it takes
10:53 <@Neoteric> i've sat and just lurked but the childish squabbles and ddramaclub antics have gotten worse and metasized into a big ugly cancer
10:53 <@Neoteric> like you guys should play up the strengths of PN
10:53 <@Neoteric> like "dolemite's awesome hat"
10:54 <@Neoteric> and "slightly glorified lan party":
10:54 <@Dolemite> Meanwhile I'm just chillin' with friends at GeekNIC
10:54 <@Dolemite> Did I mention that it's coming up in just a few weeks?
10:55 <@Neoteric> there was a period where PN had some real security folks come decius, abaddon, me, nailbomb, virgil, billy, aestetix, etc...
10:55 <@Dolemite> And that we had a website up for something like 9 months?
10:55 <@Neoteric> Dolemite: oh ? i should come
10:55 <@Dolemite> Neoteric: You wouldn't like it.  There will be drinking and profanity.
10:55 <@Evilpig> otters!
10:55 <@Neoteric> yes. you're right. i'm not into that
10:56 <@Evilpig> http://geeknic.net/#donttouchmetheredolemite/3
10:56 < PigBot> Title: GeekNIC 3.0 - March 20-22, 2015 (at geeknic.net)
10:57 <@Dolemite> By the way, that trail is the one that some internet huckster had claimed to 'discover an abandoned town in the Smoky Mountains' when he was walking t.
10:57 < RangerZ> I hate my schedule, I don't know if I'll be able to attend
10:58 <@Dolemite> Except that it's been undergoing restoration by the parks service for years, so I don't know how that qualifies as abandoned
10:58 < RangerZ> google maps didn't have it
10:58 < RangerZ> so it didn't exist
10:58 < RangerZ> lol
10:58 <@Dolemite> RangerZ: But I thought you were going to be Amber's ride?!
10:59 < RangerZ> Dolemite: *nope buttons that one*
10:59 < RangerZ> I'm not being an accessory to murder
10:59 < RangerZ> Evilpig: you making it down for geeknic?
10:59 <@Dolemite> I'm pretty sure that you'd move out of the accessory role before the end of that 4 hour drive
10:59 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: I am
11:00 <@Evilpig> I made an awful website for it, I better
11:00 <@Dolemite> Mirage is coming in from TX
11:00 <@Dolemite> Although his wife, once again, forgot to ask for time off from work
11:00 <@Evilpig> I'm trying to talk one of our project manager's into coming
11:01 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: have you talked to RB1 about coming out to hang out this year?
11:02 <@Dolemite> Nope, haven't seen him in years.  I should email him.
11:02 <@Evilpig> he is semi-local and will at least come out and eat with us
11:03 <@Dolemite> Yeah, but he was a bit miffed the last time that our timing wasn't perfect.  He tried to meet up and missed us for one thing.
11:13 <@Neoteric> also who is this amber person
11:13 <@Neoteric> and why am i about to be intenet bullied by her ?
11:13 <@Neoteric> is she some mouthbreathing agoraphobie ?
11:14 <@Dolemite> Neoteric: She loves to touch Asian men with her bare feet.
11:18 <@Evilpig> liar.  she doens't like to touch men.  she wants to set them all on fire
11:18 <@Neoteric> ew
11:20 <@Dolemite> See, now.  I was trying to protect Neoteric and you just incentivized him to antagonize her.  The only thing he's scared of is bare feet.
11:21 < Synx|hm_> praise the lord!!! found a coolant leak in the lower radiator hose hope thats the only one
11:21 < dfused> duct tape!
11:22 <@Neoteric> well she's needs to get out and find some biscuits at loveless
11:26 <@Evilpig> Neoteric: are you insinuating that she gets in the kitchen?
11:27 < RangerZ> http://www.theverge.com/2015/2/22/8088715/academy-awards-2015-big-hero-6-best-animated-feature
11:27 < RangerZ> so thats good
11:28 <@Dolemite> I would have been happy with either Boxtrolls or Big Hero 6 winning.  I also thought How to Train Your Dragon 2 was better than the first one, but I loathe sequel naming.  It should have been a different name just set in the same imaginary world.
11:30 <@Shadow404> need suggestions: best place online to go laptop shopping (cost and variety)
11:30 <@Shadow404> i was thinking newegg, but curious about anything else
11:30 <@Evilpig> craigslist
11:31 <@Evilpig> backpage if you want an alternate kind of laptop
11:31 < RangerZ> Shadow404: direct from the manf. sometimes too
11:31 < RangerZ> HP and ACER have decent stuff on their site sometimes
11:31 < RangerZ> lenovo w/ spyware ;)
11:33 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUmMAAPX6E8
11:33 < PigBot> Title: Introducing the YouTube Kids app - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:33 < RangerZ> so a kids version of youtube
11:33 <@Evilpig> isn't that youtube now?
11:33 < RangerZ> no
11:34 < RangerZ> most channels put the 18+ from what I've seen
11:34 < RangerZ> so they can say 'shit'
11:34 < RangerZ> lol
11:38 < aestetix> because kids don't know the word "shit"?
11:39 <@Evilpig> agl [11:37 AM] saint wilpig, patron saint among the racks
11:39 <@Evilpig> wilpig [11:38 AM] bwahahaha if that's who you're praying to, we're all fucked
11:45 < aestetix> hey can I ask agl some questions?
11:48 <@sasquatc4> hmmm, i wonder why no one ever references this when the whole spotify payout to artists thing comes up
11:48 <@sasquatc4> http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/07/17/spotify-royalties-appear-to-be-awfully-high-despite-what-thom-yorke-says/
11:48 < PigBot> Title: Spotify Royalties Appear To Be Awfully High Despite What Thom Yorke Says - Forbes (at www.forbes.com)
11:49 < Synx|hm_> okay, found the exhaust leak too while i was down there, fucking copper gasket completely blow out on one side on my header
11:49 < Synx|hm_> fun day
11:49 < Synx|hm_> also my pass side head appears to be leaking oil
11:49 < Synx|hm_> so probably cam seals
11:50 < Synx|hm_> and might be leaking oil from oil pump
11:50 < Synx|hm_> which is very not good if its all over my timing belt
11:50 < Synx|hm_> yay interference heads
11:51 < Synx|hm_> is the subaru dealer on broadway downtown the only one her?
11:54 < _NSAKEY> Synx|hm_: There's one in Franklin.
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11:57 < Synx|hm_> wonder if thats closer to antioch
11:57 < Synx|hm_> or for that matter if i really want to go to a dealer ship for a gasket or just buy some diy gasket sheet and cut my own
11:58 < _NSAKEY> That's about as good as it's good as it's going to get, if you're sold on going to a dealership.
11:58 < _NSAKEY> You can probably do better buying from a random auto parts store.
11:58 < Synx|hm_> agreed
11:58 < Synx|hm_> and i just got back from pepboys arg
11:59 < Synx|hm_> though i hate that store
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11:59 < Synx|hm_> ill call orillies
12:03 < Synx|hm_> oh oh harbor freight is right down the road wonder if they have something
12:17 <@oddball> If you don't need it *right now*, there's always Rock Auto.
12:17 < Synx|hm_> need it yesterday ;)
12:18 < Synx|hm_> going to napa now
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12:47 <@CRasH180> Harbor Freight is awesome for cheap tools
13:02 <@Dickie> Need a hammer that'll make it through one job? Harbor Freight.
13:11 <@ZombieChicken> Harbor Freight is great. So is Northern
13:11 <@CRasH180> Dickie, this is true
13:12 <@CRasH180> But, if you do not have much money, you can get some cheapo tools
13:13 <@oddball> I tend to buy my allen wrench sets there.  I loose those often enough...
13:14 <@Dickie> maybe you should tighten them
13:14 <@Dickie> SEE WHAT I DID
13:15 <@oddball> ...jerk
13:16 < aestetix> Dickie: want to talk about butt play?
13:20 < aestetix> everyone sudenly got busy
13:23 <@Evilpig> Dickie: heh
13:24 < RangerZ> so....
13:24 < RangerZ> https://twitter.com/HackTennessee/status/569757766060892160
13:24 < PigBot> Title: Hack Tennessee on Twitter: "Early bird registration for Hack Tennessee is open! The first 300 registrants will get a special gift at check-in. http://t.co/nn2kmyu2tS" (at twitter.com)
13:24 <@Evilpig> wtf is that?
13:24 <@Evilpig> http://www.hacktennessee.com/
13:24 < PigBot> Title: Hack Tennessee Early Bird Registration (at www.hacktennessee.com)
13:26 <@Evilpig> it's a hackathon?
13:27 <@Evilpig> I sat through enough of the video I hate them and wtf is it?
13:29 <@oddball> Hell, the video won't even load for me.
13:29 <@Evilpig> it just takes for-fucking-ever to load
13:30 <@oddball> Wait... there's a hacking event in Nashville that's putting forward a more incompetant face than PN did last year!
13:30 <@Evilpig> nah.  they at least showed people and free food
13:30 <@Evilpig> and free entry
13:30 <@Evilpig> so far they're up on PN
13:33 < _NSAKEY> Dickie: Harbor Freight was good enough to have a cheap suction-cup vice that I wanted for holding locks in place.
13:33 < _NSAKEY> That was the only reason I bought the vice, and it was adequate for that. Can't speak for the rest of their inventory, though.
13:34 < _NSAKEY> That event is yet another reason to not do the May con.
13:34 < _NSAKEY> Dru was wanting to do it around May 1st.
13:34 <@oddball> Oh... and it looks like this thing is created due to drama inside Hack Nashville: http://southernalpha.com/goal-newly-formed-hack-tennessee/
13:34 < PigBot> Title: [UPDATED] The goal of Hack Tennessee - SouthernAlpha (at southernalpha.com)
13:35 < _NSAKEY> oddball: At least we're not the only drama-ridden org in Nashville.
13:35 <@Dickie> I have a few harbor freight things here and there
13:35 <@Dickie> Not everything is immediately ruined
13:35 < RangerZ> its a fairly well 'liked' con in town
13:35 <@oddball> And I notice that they're calling it Hack TN 7, when... this is apparently the first year.
13:35 < RangerZ> oddball: I know why
13:35 < RangerZ> it used to be called HackNashville
13:35 < RangerZ> but when crazypants was blacklisted from every con, even the con she used to run kicked her out
13:35 < RangerZ> THIS ;)
13:36 < _NSAKEY> Sounds more like they're having their own schism.
13:36 <@oddball> According to the post I just threw up, the Hack Nashville folks are saying that they're not.
13:36 < RangerZ> part of me wonders if crazypants still owns the hosting for HackNashville
13:36 < RangerZ> which is why ....the name change...
13:36 < _NSAKEY> I'm just going to leave these here:
13:36 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/GonzoHacker/status/563541244979052545
13:36 < PigBot> Title: GonzoHacker on Twitter: "What do you think your group called "Hack {Name of your city}" sounds like to the mayor?" (at twitter.com)
13:36 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/GonzoHacker/status/563541909746888704
13:37 < PigBot> Title: GonzoHacker on Twitter: "Invite the mayor to your meetup, she thinks shes there to hear a list of demands #hackTheCity" (at twitter.com)
13:37 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/GonzoHacker/status/563543074962276352
13:37 < PigBot> Title: GonzoHacker on Twitter: "Hackers threaten to build API to city services, Mayor declares lockdown of City Hall #hackTheCity" (at twitter.com)
13:37 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: thats not the issue
13:37 < RangerZ> the mayor and the city's CIO went to it last year
13:37 < RangerZ> the CIO was a big fan of it
13:37 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: I know, I'm just bringing up something that came to mind.
13:37 < RangerZ> ahh
13:46 <@Evilpig> https://www.etsy.com/listing/193033003/tardis-ring
13:46 < PigBot> Title: Tardis Ring by dtekdesigns on Etsy (at www.etsy.com)
13:46 <@Evilpig> that looks really good with the rose gold
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13:51 < Synx|hm_> welp need a new radiator
13:51 < Synx|hm_> yay
14:04 <@Evilpig> after you shit in that one, i'd say so
14:09 <@oddball> Synx|hm_: good news is that those are usually easy to replace.
14:12 <@Evilpig> I just made it through the redone evangelion movies.  well 1.11 and 2.22, I don't feel like reading all of 3.33
14:13 <@Evilpig> they really summed up the series nicely there, much faster pace for the action almost none of the preachy aspects of the series
14:13 <@Evilpig> they turned it into almost 100% monster battles with none of the man vs religion that the series seemed like it was harping on
14:15 < RangerZ> Evilpig: the reason it went that FAR was b/c they ran out of money near the end
14:15 < RangerZ> so that was the only way they could afford the animation costs
14:16 < RangerZ> they just had the VAs talk while looking at the back of shinji's head, etc
14:16 < RangerZ> lol
14:16 <@Evilpig> I'm just saying the new recut movie has a totally different feel
14:17 < RangerZ> thats cool
14:18 <@Evilpig> I know the original series had problems.  hell they had to make a whole new ending after teh backlash from that BS they called an ending.
14:18 < aestetix> https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2wwdep/we_are_edward_snowden_laura_poitras_and_glenn/
14:18 < PigBot> Title: We are Edward Snowden, Laura Poitras and Glenn Greenwald from the Oscar-winning documentary CITIZENFOUR. AUAA. : IAmA (at www.reddit.com)
14:19 <@Evilpig> the movie has skipped past alot of the multiple nerv sites, etc.  I saw adam once but they didn't say shit about what you were actually seeing
14:19 <@Evilpig> they didn't touch on the genetics of that being man or anything
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14:32 <@sasquatc4> citizenfour is on hbo tonight as well, in case you havent heard
15:05 < aestetix> I am proud that I actually got to meet snowden
15:05 < aestetix> albeit for all of 30 seconds
15:06 <@Evilpig> when facilities shows up and wants to play mario kart, you play mario kart
15:15 <@Dagmar> Hhahahah just saw what Aubrey Plaza pulled at the Oscars
15:21 <@Evilpig> ?
15:22 <@Dagmar> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1tQbE3aP6w
15:22 < PigBot> Title: Aubrey Plaza Critics Choice Awards Devil Sacrament - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
15:26 <@Evilpig> hhaha
15:31 <@oddball> At last!  Someone is honest in Hollywood!
15:31 <@Dickie> That wasn't the oscars
16:01 <@Dagmar> Nitpicking beyotch
16:01 <@Dagmar> heh
16:08 < aestetix> https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2wwdep/we_are_edward_snowden_laura_poitras_and_glenn/courx1i
16:08 < PigBot> Title: SuddenlySnowden comments on We are Edward Snowden, Laura Poitras and Glenn Greenwald from the Oscar-winning documentary CITIZENFOUR. AUAA. (at www.reddit.com)
16:08 < aestetix> This comment by Snowden is brilliant.
16:19 <@Dickie> It's the difference between "here's Aubrey Plaza at the Oscar's" which would normally be an excusable offense, but you're saying "here's Aubrey Plaza last night"
16:20 <@Dickie> sentence structure be damned!
16:20  * Dickie throws a chair
16:20 <@Dagmar> I said no such thing
16:20 <@Dickie> Context
16:43 < RangerZ2> aestetix: I think is skipping over media, fox news in particular, along with all NBC properties, is a bigger issue than almost anything
16:43 < RangerZ2> NBC's 49% shareholder is STILL GE
16:43 < RangerZ2> one of the largest defense contractors in existence
16:45 <@Evilpig> FUCK!
16:45 <@Evilpig> FUCK YOU! FUCK YOU! and FUCK YOU!
16:45  * RangerZ2 sighs
16:45 < RangerZ2> goes and gets crazypants
16:46 <@Evilpig> "Hi we have a project that is going to use 4 switches every two weeks.  Can we mount all 40+ switches at once to configure them?"
16:46 <@Evilpig> sure!  let me run an assload of cable so you can configure something that is just gonna sit here for the next two months
16:46 <@Evilpig> or you can be nice and not make me run a fuckload of cable and just do a few at a time
16:52 < RangerZ2> just tell you trunk monkey to run some cables
17:03 < aestetix> yep
17:03 < aestetix> we don't have news or journalism in the US anymore
17:37 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: But you're trying to kill phreaknic. No nice points for you.
17:38 <@oddball> jesus... GTAV is just *now* coming to PC?
18:18 <@Dagmar> Yeah
18:18 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm just going to go out on a limb and say the one million in-game dollars they're promising for pre-order is probably a lie
18:18 <@Dagmar> ...because as far as i know, it never actually came to the console users either
18:20 < aestetix> man
18:20 < aestetix> is there anyone who isn't afraid to lose their job?
18:27 <@Dagmar> Yeah.  Banksters.
18:27 < aestetix> haha
18:27 < aestetix> and government workers
18:34 < aestetix> and crazy
18:35 < aestetix> since I don't think she can be fired from being a caretaker
18:37 <@sasquatc4> depends on the company, most people here arent really afraid since the only time anyones been fired from here is if they only show up for 4 hours or day
18:38 < aestetix> around here, you get fired if the boss suddenly decides they don't need you
18:38 <@sasquatc4> or really really suck ass at their job, and knowing some of the people here, that bar of suckage is very very low
18:38 < aestetix> I had a friend who got fired a while back because her boss decided her position should include javascript knowledge, and she didn't know javascript.
18:38 <@sasquatc4> wtf
18:38 < aestetix> That kind of shit happens here all the time.
18:39 < aestetix> Is TN an at-will state?
18:40 < cyberanger> hire at will fire at will
18:42 < aestetix> yep
18:42 < cyberanger> changing the job description that far should be a lay off at worst, time to learn a new skill or something along those lines at best
18:42 < cyberanger> that sucks
18:44 < aestetix> you mean there should be a reason behind it?
18:44 < aestetix> well a reason besides the company wants to make more profit without paying more payroll
19:01 < cyberanger> yes, but that's a dream world
19:01 < cyberanger> I'd rather keep somebody who is doing their job, esp if they are willing to learn and take on a larger workload
19:02 < cyberanger> and I'd rather increase morale (read: pay and benifits) to retain that quality
19:02 < cyberanger> but where's the profit in that insane logic
19:03 < aestetix> cyberanger: that's because you have empathy
19:03 < aestetix> and probably thing long term
19:05 < cyberanger> Probally, doesn't hurt I remember retail work and call center/phone support work from nearly a year ago
19:05 < cyberanger> We spent more time training a guy to take out trash or stock a shelf then trying to keep people
19:06 < cyberanger> or putting so much effort to quick calls that we were more like operators than we were support
19:07 < cyberanger> I see some of that in IT at times too sadly
19:11 < RangerZ2> you think.... http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/crime/2015/02/22/one-dead-vanderbilt-shooting/23837933/
19:11 < PigBot> Title: Police: Vanderbilt campus shooting may be drug related (at www.tennessean.com)
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19:15 <@NotLarry> aestetix: Nice, 6:57 into citizenfour...
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19:23 < aestetix> heh
19:25 < aestetix> are you all just now seeing the movie?
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21:27 < aestetix> https://swizec.github.io/h1b-software-salaries/#2014-ca-engineer
21:28 < PigBot> Title: How much does an H1B in the software industry pay? (at swizec.github.io)
21:28 < aestetix> prepare to cry
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21:37 < RangerZ> ok?
21:37 < RangerZ> how is that 'bad' ?
21:38 < RangerZ> that they make more money then you? lol
21:39 < aestetix> than you guys :p
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21:54 <@sasquatc4> thats not that much when you factor in cost of living
21:55 <@sasquatc4> comparisons to salaries in CA are always bunk because of that
22:05 < RangerZ> generally the 'idea' for h1b visa is that we are bringing in talent from outside the nation when no citizen is qualified
22:05 < aestetix> yeah I know
22:05 < RangerZ> but 'really' they only do it when they can save ~20% or so
22:06 < RangerZ> otherwise generally not worth the paperwork
22:06 < aestetix> RangerZ2: when they do it here because they don't have to pay as much, and the employee is kind of bound to the company
22:17 < RangerZ> oh god... Blind Patriots are amusing... but also saddening, a friend said he thought it was funny how some people who haven't left their state in the last 10 years says that US is the best country on earth... and a friend of his didn't realize the sarcasm, and agreed with him, lol
23:25 <@oddball> RangerZ: I loved it when the senator asked MS why it was saying that it needed more H1B visas when it had just laid off 20% of its workforce.
23:40 <@Dagmar> Jeffrey Combs on Gotham.  :)
23:40 <@Dagmar> Somehow that guy is _always_ cuttin' up bodies
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