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01:35 < Synx|hm_> i need somebody who is an engineer in fluid dynamics
01:35 < Synx|hm_> my window is wide fucking open
01:35 < Synx|hm_> its 9 degs outside
01:35 < Synx|hm_> im sweating my balls off
01:35 < Synx|hm_> wtf is going on
01:36 < Synx|hm_> static pressure
01:36 < Synx|hm_> ?
01:36 < Synx|hm_> over pressure
01:36 < Synx|hm_> ?
01:36 < Synx|hm_> im melting here
01:38 < dfused> open a second window
01:38 < Synx|hm_> same room?
01:38 < Synx|hm_> its right next to the first is that ok
01:38 < Synx|hm_> its dire
01:38 < dfused> better to open a diff room window...
01:39 < dfused> but one that would easily allow flow...
01:39 < dfused> also... would help to know which direction wind is blowing outside
01:39 < Synx|hm_> oh so my door is closed and the heater is running
01:39 < Synx|hm_> probably over pressure right?
01:39 < dfused> likely.
01:39 < Synx|hm_> ugh this sucks
01:39 < dfused> heat pushing air out as its trying to rise
01:39 < Synx|hm_> wife and kid are asleep so i cant turn it down
01:40 < Synx|hm_> the extra window is at least helping
01:40 < dfused> past couple fo nights (except for this one) I've had same issue. sweating... but its 30s out.  so I end up opening patio slideing door. .. but that  didnt do shit, so I opened kitchen window a bit.. and boom.. air flow
01:41 < Synx|hm_> oh ya ill be you were frost bite quick after that ha
01:42 < dfused> it was nice.. blanket. warm underneath, cold ait to breathe.. slept like a baby
01:42 < Synx|hm_> i love it like that
01:42 < Synx|hm_> wife NOPE NOPE NOPE
01:42 < Synx|hm_> oh wait i have a url for this
01:43 < Synx|hm_> damn it every time i close the fucking window
01:43 < Synx|hm_> nm it was pope of nope
01:43 < Synx|hm_> ive been using it all day
01:43 < dfused> heh
01:43 < dfused> yeah
01:43 < Synx|hm_> anyways, wife loves it toasty and i love it freezing so i can wrap up in blanket
01:44 < Synx|hm_> compound that by this fucking horrible super aids flu i have, ive been shivering and sweating off 10 pounds each night
01:44 < dfused> yup. also my feet typically are super heated... so I liket  poke e out frmo blanket as well.. perfect combo
01:44 < Synx|hm_> yup
01:45 < Synx|hm_> and even more compounding the wife is convinced if i put vicks on my feet then wear socks i wont cough
01:45 < Synx|hm_> so now my feet are on fire on top of a horrible cough and chills i haven't slept in 2 nights
01:46 < dfused> feet ?? wth logic is that?
01:46 < Synx|hm_> mexican magic logic
01:46 < dfused> hah
01:46 < Synx|hm_> similar to bag of water
01:46 < Synx|hm_> and flys
01:46 < dfused> ahhh yes. but I've seent aht work ... so =P
01:47 < Synx|hm_> ya so there is the issue
01:47 < dfused> wait... damn.. you've had that flu almost all week
01:48 < Synx|hm_> i got sick week before last on a comercial airplane ride home, thought i was going to blow out my teeth
01:49 < Synx|hm_> then cold symptoms
01:49 < Synx|hm_> then wife comes down with cough very dry for all last week
01:49 < Synx|hm_> and finally on sunday we both get super aids
01:49 < dfused> jeebus
01:49 < Synx|hm_> ive been sick damn near a month
01:49 < dfused> cursed
01:49 < Synx|hm_> and now the kid is coughing tonight so for sure i get round two of this
01:49 < dfused> tiem to start sacrifcing chickens an shit
01:49 < Synx|hm_> on and ive been pissing out my ass too so there is that
01:50 < dfused> ginger tea can help with upset stomach.
01:50 < Synx|hm_> i feel fine im just pooping pee
01:50 < dfused> lol
01:50 < dfused> sry.. just the phrasing
01:50 < Synx|hm_> ;)
01:51 < Synx|hm_> its ok its funny
01:51 < Synx|hm_> at our wedding everbody got food poising, week before we left for the honeymoon i both puked and shit at the same time
01:51 < Synx|hm_> unfortunantly my face was in the toilet
01:51 < Synx|hm_> and my ass was still in my pants
01:51 < Synx|hm_> my body is a mess and my wife is used to it
01:52 < dfused> dammit man... you run over a gypsy or something?
01:52 < Synx|hm_> i dont know but my luck is horrid
01:54 < dfused> well get some rest man... I gotta go do same.
01:54 < dfused> hopefully the window trick helps you out
01:54 < Synx|hm_> im working :(
01:54 < Synx|hm_> but ya ill try when this is over
01:54 < dfused> l8r
01:56 < Synx|hm_> have a good night
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04:03 < aestetix> hi!
04:04 < aestetix> Synx|hm_: did you at least get laid after the wedding?
07:21 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:48 < RangerZ> http://funnyand.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Draw-a-Spider-prank.jpg
08:48 < RangerZ> wow.... thats wrong...
09:15 <@Shadow404> when is call for papers for pn start this year?
09:18 <@Mirage> Whenever Elonka kicks someone in the ass and it gets sent out.
09:18 <@Shadow404> so, soonish, then
09:19 <@Mirage> I'm sure if she has her way, everything will be set and ready by the end of Sept and they'll just be waiting for the date
09:20 < RangerZ> Mirage: how dare you insult dru that way, and without trigger warnings
09:20 < RangerZ> you're implying that waiting to send out a CFP until Sept is 'bad' in some way...
09:21 < RangerZ> lol
09:23 <@Dolemite> I'm pretty sure that pretty soon Dru will tire of walking around with Elonka's boot up her ass and will cede control.
09:27 < RangerZ> part of me wants him to not realize it and go down in a flaming last-stand
09:47 <@Dagmar> Fuuuck
09:48 <@Dagmar> Thank god for certain features in the Android Device Manager
09:48 <@Dagmar> Somehow last night, my phone decided it's PIN is not the PIN I've been using on it for months and months and months
09:49 <@Evilpig> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/11001723_10203947583960332_4779600529153702947_n.jpg?oh=6f042ebfdfa366d1cc83bd727693524c&oe=558FA3F2
09:49 <@Evilpig> just watching archer from last night and this caught my eye.  wtf is that supposed to be?
09:50 <@Evilpig> yiav://uqxx.wy/ehhhghabgvfdqey
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09:51 <@Shadow404> yeah, well my friends are willing to give a panel talk if theres interest
09:53 <@Evilpig> haha it changed not even 5 seconds later.  https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10991071_10203947602800803_4957868716077446817_n.jpg?oh=8da64c386c3421a0faa875c2e4cbfd83&oe=554E8FF7
09:53 <@Evilpig> https://scontent.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/10991071_10203947602800803_4957868716077446817_n.jpg?oh=8da64c386c3421a0faa875c2e4cbfd83&oe=554E8FF7
09:53 <@Evilpig> bah
09:53 <@Evilpig> tgsl://ybke.mw/xwradkgjzuhnifx
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10:02 <@Shadow404> im asking elonka directly about the cfp, as i never get responses from dru in the past
10:02 <@Shadow404> his email seems to forward directly to dev/null
10:03 <@Evilpig> he can't answer your email because he doesn't have power
10:03 <@Evilpig> you know, ice storm.  no power.  at least two weeks
10:05 <@Dagmar> OKay.  Something is fucked here
10:05 <@Shadow404> heh
10:06 <@Dagmar> Setting a new temporary password on my phone via the Android Device Manager _isn't working_
10:06 <@Dagmar> I'm bout to wipe this damn thing
10:07 <@Dagmar> ...and that you people expect Dru to actually respond to stuff in a reasonable timeframe after _multiple years_ of him not doing so makes me think you're all slightly retarded.
10:13 <@Evilpig> I expect him to give an excuse, nothing else
10:15 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: ++
10:16 <@Dagmar> Fuckign annoying.  I just had to factory wipe the phone
10:34 <@benthemeek> Updated a bunch of stuff on the nashville2600 site last night
10:35 <@benthemeek> Elonka is talking about making it a wiki but for now thats about as far as I am going to go.
10:35 <@benthemeek> I need to start work on the phreaknic 19 site and logos next
10:44 <@benthemeek> *crickTS*
10:44 <@Dickie> Still holding my breath for SpringNIC
10:45  * Dickie passes out
10:59 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: Didn't you guys already learn your lesson about dynamic content?
11:01 < Synx|hm_> and so it begins, 2 am while im still working i hear a sound that makes me think we have adpoted a seal pup
11:01 < Synx|hm_> yup now im sick, wife is sick, and kid has croup
11:01 < Synx|hm_> FML
11:01 <@Dolemite> YAY!  Union crafts turf war!   And who's in the middle?  ME!!@%$^@#$
11:02 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm_: you got a seal?  cool!
11:02 < Synx|hm_> Evilpig: its cool until you realize it barks non stop all night
11:02 < Synx|hm_> and crys like a baby
11:03 <@Evilpig> I hear you can club them and then sell their skin for high dollars
11:03 <@Evilpig> plus you get to club a seal...
11:03 <@benthemeek> _nsakey: IF you are referring to the wiki, it will be scraped and uploaded periodically
11:03 <@benthemeek> so yet
11:03 <@benthemeek> so yes*
11:03 <@benthemeek> Springnic is not happening
11:04 <@benthemeek> Elonka gave a deadline for actual sponsorship stuff to be given and it wasnt met
11:04 <@benthemeek> at least that is my understanding
11:04 <@benthemeek> I will try and get that in the minutes next thursday at the board meeting
11:04 <@benthemeek> never take my word for anything :P
11:05 <@Evilpig> I can point out that technically she currently doesn't have any legal power.  dru could do whatever he wants until the bylaws are changed and filed with the state
11:05 <@benthemeek> but the by laws dont say anything about a spring conference
11:06 <@benthemeek> and Dru wants the board's approval
11:06 <@Evilpig> again, since when does dru care what the bylaws say?
11:06 <@benthemeek> Its fine if he wants to have a drucon
11:06 <@benthemeek> but it wont be phreaknic
11:07 <@benthemeek> We can start talking about some may event next year once we pull off a great con this year
11:07 <@benthemeek> but for now its out of the picture
11:07 <@benthemeek> (I think)
11:08 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: whether there is repect for bylaws there is much respect for a governing board. I think we are all happy that there are boundaries. Including Dru
11:08 <@Evilpig> dru likes whatever goes in his favor for what he wants.
11:08 <@benthemeek> Well this didnt
11:09 <@benthemeek> I mean the sponsorship guys were slow to get back with him
11:10 <@benthemeek> For what it is worth I think Dru has tried to follow the spirit of the bylaws
11:10 <@benthemeek> Even if they arent specific enough in some places and a little over specific in others
11:13 <@benthemeek> My little rasberry pi is struggling with the media wiki instance
11:13 <@benthemeek> I may need to look into something a little more powerful.. like a 1 Ghz atom processor or something :P
11:15 <@benthemeek> So I ran html tidy on my nashville2600 stuff last night and it killed some empty <p> I was using for spacing
11:15 <@benthemeek> What if the proper way to leave space in html
11:15 <@benthemeek> like the donate button is all crammed into the twitter window now
11:15 <@benthemeek> Any html gurus here know?
11:16 <@benthemeek> s/if/is
11:16 < _NSAKEY> <br />
11:17 <@benthemeek> I though br wasnt used any longer or something
11:17 <@benthemeek> maybe I am thinking of something else
11:17 < _NSAKEY> I haven't kept up with the newer standards, but the last time I did <br> had been changed to <br />.
11:18 <@benthemeek> I will give it a shot
11:19 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: Is this mediawiki going to be dynamic on nashville2600.org, or are you going to have some other site that is editable, with static mirrors being pushed to the nashvville2600.org box?
11:19 < _NSAKEY> Honestly, something like the borderline brochureware that I imagine nashville2600.org will be seems like a gross misuse of mediawiki.
11:21 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: You could just render the entire page in 1994-era HTML (Plain white pages, no styling whatsoever), and make a point of telling anyone who gives it a funny look that the hipsters at J&J's have rubbed off on us.
11:27 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: &nbsp;  is a non-breaking space and proper
11:28 <@Evilpig> if you're doing paragraphs you wrap the entire thing in a <p> and use margins
11:28 <@Evilpig> if you just want a blank line <br>
11:28 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: <br /> is xhtml proper.  with xhtml everything has to be closed
11:33 <@Evilpig> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/text-level-semantics.html#the-br-element
11:33 < PigBot> Title: 4.5 Text-level semantics — HTML 5.1 Nightly (at www.w3.org)
11:34 <@Bahhumbug> [10:09:28] <@benthemeek> For what it is worth I think Dru has tried to follow the spirit of the bylaws
11:34 <@Bahhumbug> Because he has no choice _at all_ any longer.
11:34 <@Bahhumbug> because he's too stupid to realize that he has already been ousted from power, as well.
11:34 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: I'm aware of that. xhtml is a clean-up of html 4.0's logical uh-ohs, even if it's now an evolutionary dead end.
11:34 <@Bahhumbug> Be nice if the rest of the people involved would grow a spine a fraction as large as Elonka's.
11:34 <@Bahhumbug> s/spine/set of balls/
11:35 < _NSAKEY> At least separating styling from content is still an option, which is all I'm going to care about whenever I have to slap some website together.
11:35 <@Bahhumbug> Be nice if you people would just wake the fuck up and give that crazy bitch her walking papers.
11:35 < _NSAKEY> The rest is just learning about new tags.
11:35 <@Bahhumbug> Period.  See ya.  Go.  Goodbye.
11:36 <@Dagmar> I guess Elonka's email means I can't submit a logo that is a series of dildos spelling out "N26K"
11:36 <@Evilpig> Dagmar++
11:36 <@Evilpig> I kinda want to see that
11:36 <@Dagmar> I was thinking the same thing myself, actually
11:36 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: You should make one anyway, if only so this channel has something to laugh about.
11:37 <@Dagmar> I might.  I have some coding work to do today now that Niantic has actually posted local event schedules for this thing on Saturday
11:37 <@Dolemite> I was going to submit http://www.pxleyes.com/images/contests/visual%20pun/fullsize/visual%20pun_4af04e6f3c5a6.jpg
11:37 <@Dolemite> But it's not my original work :(
11:38 <@Bahhumbug> USPS tracking is absolutely useless.
11:38 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: I have the original one I made for the flyer
11:38 <@Bahhumbug> Does anyone have a picture of Dru with a boot up his ass?
11:39 <@benthemeek> EvilPig: thanks for the link
11:40 <@benthemeek> _NSAKEY: There is no way I would stick a live wiki before this crowd. Dagmar along would probaly beat me to death with his old phone
11:40 <@benthemeek> alone*
11:40 <@Dagmar> No, I'd use my bare hands.
11:40 <@benthemeek> So It will scraped and the static rsynced the real site every so often if it happens
11:40 <@Dagmar> There we go
11:41 <@Dagmar> ...and no one even had to lose any skin.
11:43 <@benthemeek> oddball: Hypericon hasn't tweeted about the event or I would have retweeted. They have 500 followers. Do you know who is in charge of the twitter account?
11:43 <@Bahhumbug> Or.... you could just make it easier, give the officers the creds and let everyone make updates as necexssary to a static site.
11:44 <@Dagmar> What event?
11:44 <@benthemeek> The board game day tomorrow
11:44 <@oddball> Really?  damnit.  I'm trying to remember who runs the Twitter account.  Thanks.
11:44 <@Dagmar> Ah
11:44 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: https://www.dropbox.com/s/ykrtcfksqvko3ou/monkey-football.png?dl=0
11:44 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: You sould submit it for the logo contest
11:45 <@Evilpig> I just might
11:45 <@Evilpig> thanks for the idea
11:48 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: It needs to have the organization's name on it somewhere.
11:52  * oddball reads scrollback
11:52 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: oh I would.  I'm just not on my machine that has photoshop.  i'm on the mac.  irony...
11:52 <@oddball> ah... so the May event probably isn't happening because Dru couldn't provide detailed info on his mysterious backer.  This is my shocked face.
11:52 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: MSPaint will be good enough, I think.
11:53 <@Dolemite> oddball: It's uncanny.  Your shocked face looks just like your normal face.
11:53 <@Bahhumbug> How hard would it be to get crazy bitch banned from VU properties?
11:54 <@oddball> Dolemite: It's a lifetime struggle.
11:54 <@Dolemite> Bahhumbug: Pretty hard
11:54 <@Bahhumbug> Sounds like a challenge.
11:55 <@benthemeek> oddball: The only thing about tomorrow is the weather. Hopefully it will all be just rain by then, but I could see some of particarly feeble parties not wanting to make it because of such
11:56 <@benthemeek> (not really calling anyone feeble who is afraid of rain)
11:56 <@Dagmar> I will.
11:57 <@Dagmar> oddball: That's good.  It keeps us from having to invoke the "YOU DON'T HAVE ANY PROVISION IN THE BYLAWS FOR THROWING THIS OTHER CON"
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11:57 <@Bahhumbug> @weather bna
11:57 < PigBot> Bahhumbug: Error: "weather" is not a valid command.
11:57 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: Nashville International, TN :: Overcast :: 18F (Humidity: 62%) | Wind Chill: 9F | Friday: Cloudy with a mixture of winter precipitation. High near 30F. Winds SSE at 10 to 15 mph. Chance of precip 60%. Snow and ice accumulations less than one inch. Friday Night: A mix of wintry precipitation this evening. Then turning windy with periods of rain overnight. Low 27F. Winds SSE at 20 to 30 mph. (1 more message)
11:57 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: Alerts: ::  ...Ice Storm Warning in effect from noon today to 9 am CST Saturday... ...Winter Storm Warning is cancelled... The National Weather Service in Nashville has issued an Ice Storm Warning...which is in effect from noon today to 9 am CST Saturday. The Winter Storm Warning has been cancelled. * Timin
11:57 <@GateKeeper> Bahhumbug: Forecast: :: Fri: Ice Pellets (30F/27F) | Sat: Rain (46F/32F) | Sun: Overcast (36F/18F) | Mon: Partly Cloudy (30F/18F)
11:57 <@Bahhumbug> Meh
11:57 <@oddball> Dagmar: You were planning on showing up to Boards and Swords to begin with?
11:57 <@Dagmar> No.
11:58 <@Bahhumbug> GateKeeper, part
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11:58 <@Dagmar> I've got no problem with calling people afraid of rain "weak" remotely tho
11:58 <@oddball> ah, ok
11:58 <@Dagmar> I do it to the Ingress people on a regular basis
11:58 <@Bahhumbug> I am afraid of rain.  The freezing kind.  That breaks my trees and causes property damage.
11:58 <@Dagmar> There's no need to be afraid of that
11:58 <@Dagmar> Just _know_ it's coming today and get used to the idea
11:59 <@oddball> benthemeek: Yeah... there is that, but we rescheduled the first game day last year because of dire predictions, and it turned out that it was just cold.
11:59 <@Dagmar> They're only talking about maybe a quarter inch of new ice falling today
11:59 <@Dagmar> Perhaps less
12:00 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: With the proposed changes, they'll be able to rapidly put a provision in the bylaws for this may con in record time.
12:00 <@Dagmar> Nah
12:00 <@Dagmar> If Amber can fucking waste our time for a year rambling about the same meaningless bullshit, something in May would be a doddle
12:01 <@Dagmar> There's barely enough time to set that up in the first place
12:01 < _NSAKEY> I mean for next year.
12:01 < _NSAKEY> It's clearly not going to happen this year.
12:01 <@Dagmar> I think Dru's present track record speaks for itself about how good an idea that is
12:01 < _NSAKEY> I'm surprised nobody other than ben responded to my post on the shiny new r00t list.
12:02 <@oddball> Dagmar: The sad thing is that she could have changed the bylaws if she actually understood the procedure.
12:02 <@Dagmar> That's not what her goal was
12:02 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/9l8gy9fwxd8wxdc/nash2600logo.png?dl=0
12:02 <@Dagmar> Her goal was to keep everyone mired in her bullshit
12:03 <@oddball> She was rather pissed with me when I pointed out that talking about changing the bylaws and reading the proposed changes were two completely different things.
12:03 <@Dagmar> That's because you stopped talking about _her_ bullshit
12:03 <@oddball> We had one actual reading... and the changes were agreable, and then they failed to bring it up ever again.
12:04 <@Dagmar> Because then she'd have had to come up with a _new_ useless topic to waste everyone's time with
12:04 < _NSAKEY> oddball: This sounds like something from before my time. What happened?
12:04 <@Dagmar> I'm not kidding when I say I was just watching her last year to see how long she'd drag that shit out
12:05 <@Dagmar> She brought that shit up at more than six meetings
12:05 <@Dagmar> The same shit, over and over again
12:05 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: What was it?
12:05 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: Her little "we need more explicit code of conduct rules so that women can _feel safe_"
12:06 < _NSAKEY> Oh.
12:06 < _NSAKEY> Hahahahahahahahahahaha.
12:06 <@Dagmar> Its' why I started deliberately taking a hard-line and trying to bait her
12:06 <@Dagmar> It was obvious she was just using it to waste people's time
12:06 <@oddball> The finalized proposal was for rational stuff, like adding VP to the list of officers, and straightening out some other stuff.
12:06 < _NSAKEY> That must have hurt when oddball told her that talking about it != reading proposed changes.
12:08 <@oddball> She and Dru were not happy.  They showed up to one meeting with the written changes, which... again, I saw no issue with, and said "well, that's at least 3 months, so let's vote to enact them!"
12:08 <@oddball> At which point I said "wait... that's not how this works.
12:08 <@oddball> "
12:09 <@Dagmar> ...and she was probably counting on that, actually
12:09 <@oddball> For the record: I'm a big believe that parlimentary procedure and such is specifically designed to make things slow.  Change should be slow and painful to make.
12:10 < _NSAKEY> oddball: So what do you think of the bylaws change that's been proposed?
12:10 < _NSAKEY> My understanding is that once it's done, the board is going to mass-change the bylaws all at once without all the procedure.
12:10 <@Dagmar> Well, all this hand-wringing over protecting special snowflakes has worked so well for wiping out other otherwise completely reasonable community groups elsewhere
12:11 <@Dagmar> The idea is to get everyone bogged town in the trivial details of addressing every possible imagined slight, so that no one wants anything to do with the group anymore
12:11 <@oddball> From what I've seen?  I'm a bit nervous about the board being able to change the bylaws at the wave of a hand.  I'm also thinking that Elonka is wanted to expand the board larger than it should be given the current size of the org.
12:12 <@Dagmar> I think our saving grace is that we, the members, can basically reverse changes at the subsequent public meeting
12:12 <@oddball> yep
12:13 <@oddball> And I would say there's also the fact that the members can vote board member out, but... well... after Dru got re-elected...
12:15 < aestetix> hi!
12:16 < aestetix> Dagmar: uhh
12:16 < aestetix> Dagmar: did she offer suggestions on how to make it better?
12:16 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Not in any persistent sense
12:16 <@Dagmar> She just always wanted to argue about it
12:16 < aestetix> I think a good suggestion is for her to see a therapist and stop wasting your time
12:17 <@Dagmar> I will be suggesting everything but the therapist at the next meeting
12:17 <@Dagmar> ...because I don't want to be accused of telling her to go see "the rapist"
12:25 <@benthemeek> _NSAKEY: If you go to http://bit.ly/SE2600 and click on archived discussions folder you will see the reasonable changed we came up with last year
12:25 < PigBot> Title: SE2600 (at bit.ly)
12:25 <@benthemeek> The momentum just got lost
12:25 <@Dagmar> cuz if they were actually voted on properly then there would have been no way to continue wasting people's time
12:25 <@benthemeek> the document is called outdated bylaws
12:26 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: PM.
12:35 < aestetix> ugh why does everyone want money from me
12:35 < aestetix> it's so expensive to live here :/
12:35 < aestetix> here = the US
12:36 <@Evilpig> in my facebook news feed.  "No toilet paper, goodbye socks."
12:36 <@oddball> I thought we had established this.  You don't live in the US, you live in that strange little world.
12:38 <@Evilpig> I just thought of another good logo idea. heh
12:39 < aestetix> oddball: I'm referring to the worst health care system in the developed world
12:39 <@Bahhumbug> Amber's head on a pike?
12:39 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: It's a good thing you aren't forced to stay in this country.  Please don't let your ass scuff the door on your way out.
12:40 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: you seem angry all the time. I'd suggest you get that looked at, but I don't know if you can afford it.
12:40 <@Bahhumbug> I can afford it fine.
12:41 <@Bahhumbug> Unlike you I don't live in an area with an insane CoL and bitch about it _constantly_
12:41 < aestetix> Maybe make an appointment with a proctologist to get the stick removed.
12:41 <@Bahhumbug> Sure.  One more to beat you silly with.
12:42 < aestetix> Although make sure to let them know about the other stuff in there. Mice, insects, and so on
12:43 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, we're not talking about _your_ anal cavity.
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13:07 <@Mirage> Evilpig: I must say, I was very amused and completely unsuprised by your proposed logo.
13:12 < RangerZ> that wasn't proposed, that was USED wasn't it?
13:17 < RangerZ> hehe
13:38 <@Dolemite> Ok, I've had enough for today.  Time to get out of here.
13:49 <@Dagmar> Sooo.... apparently Dave Cloud died this week
13:50 <@Dagmar> ...which really sucks.
13:50 <@Dagmar> He was a true maniac.
14:01 < RangerZ> hey, is anyone here a graphic designer?
14:01 < RangerZ> other than Dagmar when he's bored? lol
14:01 < RangerZ> ...or obsessed.... ;)
14:01 < RangerZ> or know of someone local who is
14:29 <@sasquatc4> one of my good friends from HS is, he's in chattanooga now
14:31 <@sasquatc4> http://www.mulderinkdesign.com/
14:31 < PigBot> Title: Mulderink Design (at www.mulderinkdesign.com)
14:32 <@Mirage> In a webex right now and the client's network engineer sounds like Decius when he's drunk.  It's all I can do not to laugh.
14:33 < RangerZ> the roman emperor ?
14:33 <@Mirage> By drunk I mean ~2-3 hrs AFTER he's done the drunken rant
14:33 < RangerZ> ohh, him
14:33 < RangerZ> lol
14:33  * Mirage smacks RangerZ 
14:33 < RangerZ> hehe
14:33 < RangerZ> hey... I thought maybe he was talking in latin and had an italian accent ...
14:33 < RangerZ> -_-
14:35 <@Mirage> Every time this guy talks I see the image od Decius w/ his eyes closed talking quite thick-tongued and waving his arms around like a maniac
14:35 <@Mirage> aka Drunk Decius
14:56 < Synx|hm_> i thought somebody said they worked on the se2600 site
14:56 < Synx|hm_> that the .org?
15:05 <@Bahhumbug> Wasn't that in reference to nashville2600?
15:08 < Synx|hm_> oh
15:09 < Synx|hm_> oh fancy
15:28 < aestetix> http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/02/parents-trying-to-reverse-kids-autism-by-flushing-out-vaccines-with-bogus-miracle-bleach-enemas/
15:28 < aestetix> enjoy
15:29 < RangerZ> umm...
15:30 < RangerZ> 'vaccines' are gone within 2 weeks of the shot....
15:30 < RangerZ> the -antibodies- are what are left...
15:30 < RangerZ> fuck it... not dealing with rationalizing stupid people
15:30 < dfused> quite.
15:32 < aestetix> here's my favorite part
15:32 < aestetix> On her Facebook page, Rivera — who identifies herself as a biomedical consultant and certified homeopath – keeps a running total of parents who have contacted her, saying MMS has “cured” their children of autism.
15:32 < RangerZ> "certified homeopath "
15:33 < RangerZ> that means [certified homeopath <strikethrough>scammer</strikethrough>]
15:33 < dfused> amazon used a 6x8x5 box to ship a strip of 5 cmos batteries.....
15:33 < RangerZ> dfused: fucking better than when they put my 'memory card' in the same box as a 14 channel audio mixer
15:34 < RangerZ> and it fell out of the bottom of the box
15:34 < dfused> ouch
15:34 < RangerZ> 100$ card too
15:34 < RangerZ> from japan...
15:34 < RangerZ> for the Vita
15:34 < dfused> did they reimburse ot anything?
15:34 < RangerZ> yeah, thankfully
15:35 < dfused> koo
15:35 < RangerZ> b/c I went to the site and bitched like a MFer
15:35 < dfused> lol
15:35 < RangerZ> after tearing apart my apt where I unboxed everything
15:35 < RangerZ> like 'wtf'
15:35 < dfused> I'm debating on if its worth it to buy a lab for ccna security... or just sticking with gns.
15:36 < RangerZ> the labs are really useful for CCNA
15:36 < RangerZ> don't know about security* part
15:36 < RangerZ> how much are they?
15:36 <@Bahhumbug> "biomedical consultant and certified homeopath" does not parse.
15:36 < dfused> here's one: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cisco-CCENT-CCNA-CCNP-R-S-SECURITY-LAB-3x-1841-IOS-15-1T-256D-64F-2x-2950-24-/171507360454?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item27eea2a2c6
15:36 < PigBot> Title: Cisco Ccent CCNA CCNP R s Security Lab 3X 1841 iOS 15 1T 256D 64F 2X 2950 24 | eBay (at www.ebay.com)
15:36 < RangerZ> but anyways, later
15:37 < RangerZ> OHH you mean a physical one
15:37 < dfused> aye
15:37 < RangerZ> i thought you meant the 'lab'
15:37 < RangerZ> the software
15:37 < RangerZ> the emulator, etc
15:37 <@Mirage> dfused: and why did you order CR2032 batteries from amazon instead of picking them up pretty much anywhere you go?
15:37 < RangerZ> well $300 isnt' bad
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15:38 < dfused> Mirage: cause i dont leave the house often.  easier to just order via amazon (i get free shipping).
15:38 < aestetix> How do you get certified for homeopathy
15:39 <@Mirage> aestetix: fail at common sense
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15:57 <@rattle> Dagmar pants are making a comeback.  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/19/jnco-jeans-comeback_n_6714802.html
15:57 < PigBot> Title: JNCO Jeans Are About To Make A Comeback (Seriously) (at www.huffingtonpost.com)
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16:10 < aestetix> Wow. I just learned from a friend that her antidepressants cost... and this is generic... $660 for 90 pills, without insurance.
16:12 <@Evilpig> Mirage: I feel as though I need to prepare a truly NSFW version of that for eldredge
16:16 <@Evilpig> I should stop while i'm ahead.  but this could really piss a few off.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/y7yiiyifbryzmrv/hitler2.jpg?dl=0
16:16 <@Evilpig> that is NSFW
16:16 <@Evilpig> depending on where you work.  for me it's jsut a tuesday
16:30 <@Dickie> what a fox
16:36 < Synx|hm_> heavy snow here in antioch
16:36 < Synx|hm_> so not excited for when this transitions back to sleet/ice again tonight
16:36 < Synx|hm_> really hope the gutters dont rip off this house
16:45 < dfused> http://polis.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=397743
16:45 < PigBot> Title: Polis and Blumenauer Introduce Bills to End the Federal Prohibition and Tax Marijuana - U.S. Representative Jared Polis (at polis.house.gov)
16:47 <@oddball> oh hey, actual snow is falling now!
16:47 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: You get bonus points if you shop a tattoo onto Hitler's arm.
16:47 < Synx|hm_> oddball: flakes are huge here
16:47 < Synx|hm_> hope it drops enough so i can do a snowman for kiddo
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16:47 < _NSAKEY> oddball: Yeah, but it still isn't enough to make my sidewalk/front yard have any traction.
16:47 <@Dagmar> This snow isn't too bad lookin'
16:48 < _NSAKEY> I never want to see ice again unless it's in a drink.
16:48 < Synx|hm_> wait till it changes to sleet/freezing rain
16:48 <@oddball> Synx|hm_: I think I remember us having maybe one winter where there was enough snow to properly make a snow man down here.
16:48 < Synx|hm_> :(
16:49 < Synx|hm_> so this is not a normal event? because i have to travel next weekend long distance and its going to require getting my 2wd truck thawed and unstuck
16:49 <@oddball> I just went out and stood in the driveway for a while.
16:49 <@oddball> Snow makes me happy.
16:49 < Synx|hm_> make me feel like a kid
16:49 <@oddball> yeah
16:49 < Synx|hm_> seriously im just sitting in my office staring out the window day dreaming while people keep yelling for me on this call
16:49 < Synx|hm_> i rather enjoy the extra big flakes
16:50 < Synx|hm_> https://twitter.com/nashseverewx these guys are the shit btw
16:50 < PigBot> Title: NashSevereWx (@NashSevereWx) | Twitter (at twitter.com)
16:50 < Synx|hm_> best wx recap/forcasts ive ever read
16:50 <@oddball> Unfortunately, we're still scheduled for "damn near 50 and rain" tomorrow.
16:50 < Synx|hm_> well thats actually good we need to melt all this shit away
16:50 < Synx|hm_> minus the rain
16:50 < _NSAKEY> oddball: I just hope the rain and the temp mels the ice away.
16:50 <@Dagmar> So we can start fresh next week with all new ice!
16:51 < Synx|hm_> local flooding is going to suck
16:51 < _NSAKEY> It's going to be hilarious from a flooding standpoint though.
16:51 <@Dagmar> I hope the ground is so cold it falls as liquid and then freezes.  :)
16:51 < _NSAKEY> I live on a hill and didn't have any trouble during the May 2010 flood, so I don't care one bit about flooding.
16:51 < Synx|hm_> ya people keep posting how clear the roads were yesterday and calling my wife into work etc, cane ridge/antioch hills area is a fucking mess
16:51 < Synx|hm_> my sisters street is a solid sheet of 2in of ice, no way up or down without studs
16:52 < aestetix> http://unfairmario.eu/
16:52 < PigBot> Title: Unfair Mario Game (at unfairmario.eu)
16:52 < _NSAKEY> Synx|hm_: My entire front yard is probably 3 inches of solid ice right now.
16:52 < Synx|hm_> _NSAKEY: ya same, i deflated the tires in my subaru to 30/25psi and was able to crawl up my sisters street to get her home
16:52 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: and Nashville got damned serious about water flow after that.
16:53 <@oddball> Synx|hm_: Eh, the main roads are fine.  The side streets?  That's a different story.
16:53 < Synx|hm_> side streets, all surrounding streets around me
16:53 < Synx|hm_> all with hills
16:54 < Synx|hm_> its damn near impossible to get out or it was on monday and will be tonight
16:54 < _NSAKEY> Synx|hm_: It's Tennessee, which is basically one big series of hills or mountains.
16:54 <@Dagmar> The side streets are randomly hilarious
16:55 <@Dagmar> The tree-shared ones are largely a solid sheet of polished ice now
16:55 <@oddball> yep
16:56 < Synx|hm_> ya its the uncovered ice that is fun ZONK
16:57 < aestetix> this game is hard
16:57 < Synx|hm_> after driving my sister home up two hills at a crawl with awd, i turn around and proceeded to slide the entire way back down and was able to control steering by releasing and pumping, however the fuckers who kept wanting to turn and try their turn at driving up in 2wd who had no chance, ya i would have slammed into them so i kept having to honk and flash my lights to get them to not come down the street
16:58 < Synx|hm_> people are clueless
16:58 < Synx|hm_> or they saw my little car and didn't realize it was awd and i had half a clue about how to drive
16:58 < Synx|hm_> and figured hey if he can do it so can i
17:01 < Synx|hm_> for example the idiot who just drove by at damn near 100% throttle with one tire on mostly good contact pavement and the other 100% on ice, dude has no clue what it means to NOT have a limited slip diff, he's taken his 2wd car to 1wd by his asshattery
17:02 <@oddball> Yeah... it's mostly the "not knowing how to drive on this shit" things.
17:18 < aestetix> apparently some employers around here are starting to demand that their employeers wear fitbits
17:19 <@Dagmar> So when to the fitbit neck collars hit the market?
17:19 <@Dagmar> ...or can you just order them off Etsy now?
17:19 < aestetix> I really don't think an employer should be accessing and judging personal habits
17:19 <@Dagmar> I would agree that that is going too far
17:19 < aestetix> I mean as long as I'm not doing something like taking 6 hour breaks and stealing things
17:20 < aestetix> IMHO if you have a role, you do your duties in the defined role, and the company pays you for it. That's it.
17:20 <@Dagmar> Wearing the fitbit as a slave collar would send a nice message
17:20 < aestetix> None of this cult happiness bullshit.
17:20 < aestetix> lol
17:25 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: What happens if the employee tells the employer to fuck themselves with a roll of sand paper?
17:25 < _NSAKEY> Literally or figuratively. Take your pick.
17:26 <@Dagmar> Well, that would be an HR "incident"
17:26 <@Dagmar> A slave collar would be much more businesslike and professional.
17:26 <@Dagmar> ...because _tracking your every move_ is just _wildly_ "too far".
17:27 <@Evilpig> don't think of it as a tracking collar, look at it as more of a neck tie
17:28 <@Dagmar> Don't be silly.  Only upper management types wear ties
17:42 < aestetix> Dagmar: hahahha HR? what's that
17:42 < aestetix> everyone around here uses outsourced HR
17:50 < aestetix> ie Trinet
17:50 <@CRasH180> When I was at Franklin American Mortgage Company, even the Help Desk had to wear ties
17:51 < dasunt> I hate inefficiency.
17:51 < dasunt> Fuck what helpdesk looks like, lets examine why setting up a new laptop takes all fucking day.
17:53 < dasunt> Also, the following pieces of software are a pile of shit:  Word, Outlook, any Adobe product, and every Outlook add-in that exists.
17:57  * dasunt is having late Friday frustration.
18:02 < dasunt> I'm serious about Word and Outlook being a pile of shit though.
18:21 <@oddball> does "setup" include a fresh install of the OS and evertyhing?
18:27 < dasunt> Yes.
18:27 < dasunt> Well, an image of the OS.
18:27 < dasunt> Pushed out as a WIM.
18:27 < dasunt> Then manual configuration of a ton of software.
18:30 < dasunt> In short, this is why daddy drinks.
18:31 <@oddball> yup
18:49 < aestetix> sign
18:49 < aestetix> running the air conditioner in february
18:54 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: i love your logo
19:30 < aestetix> Dagmar: do you think if you worked out and stretched you'd be able to dance 18 hours a day again?
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20:02 < RangerZ1> hahahaha Rudy Guiliani has said "Obama didn't lived through 9/11"
20:02 < RangerZ1> umm....
20:03 < RangerZ1> its so stupid, that I actually feel bad for him
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20:10 <@Bahhumbug> Don't.  If we're lucky he'll die soon.
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20:27 < aestetix> uh
20:27 < aestetix> I'm pretty sure he did. Unless he was born on september 12
20:31 <@frosty> Well without a real birth cert who know's how old the guy is!
20:31 <@frosty> Whole new meaning to birthers!
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20:37 <@Dickie> Jet fuel can't melt steel
20:37 <@Dickie> Something something NWO
20:51 <@Dagmar> It's like nature's little Nightmare Blend out there right now
20:52 <@Dagmar> Rain and Freezing Rain, mostly the latter since it's solidly below freezing out
20:54 <@Evilpig> https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10152717563851045&fref=nf
20:54 < PigBot> Title: Comments (at www.facebook.com)
20:54 <@Evilpig> I hate shit that is facebook only...  but this is funny shit
20:55 <@Evilpig> 4 car wreck with 0 humans
20:56 <@frosty> doh
20:56 <@frosty> the system requirements for solarwinds are just ridiculous...
20:59 <@frosty> one app server - 16cores/16gigs ram | one sql server 16cores++/32gb ram | second app server 16cores/16gigs
20:59 <@frosty> no HA.
21:00 <@frosty> Copy that setup if you want HA... ugh.
21:00 <@Dagmar> looool
21:00 <@frosty> ohohohoh. best part...
21:00 <@frosty> Windows only.
21:00  * frosty dies
21:01 <@frosty> I can do all that with 1/3 the gear and have HA to boot.
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21:01 <@frosty> https://mathias-kettner.de/check_mk.html
21:01 < PigBot> Title: Check_MK (at mathias-kettner.de)
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21:24 < RangerZ1> The Torch in dubai a 79floor resident tower is on fire
21:25 < RangerZ1> irony meters world wide now need reset
21:25 <@oddball> oh dear
21:26 <@oddball> And I believe most fire departments' thoughts on how to deal with a high-rise on fire is "pray it doesn't happen."
21:26 < RangerZ1> caught fire on 50th floor
21:26 < RangerZ1> aka... the 'fuck this' level
21:26 <@oddball> yep
21:27 < RangerZ1> reports of no injuries so far, b/c everyone is evacuated
21:28 < RangerZ1> frosty: wtf is solarwinds suppose to do with that amount of system resources? monitor a google data center?
21:30 <@oddball> Is that the new version of "ummm.. uh... solar flares!"
21:31 < RangerZ1> system reqs: [one app server - 16cores/16gigs ram | one sql server 16cores++/32gb ram | second app server 16cores/16gigs]
21:31 < RangerZ1> http://www.solarwinds.com/
21:32 < PigBot> Title: Network Tools, IT Management Software & Monitoring Tools | SolarWinds (at www.solarwinds.com)
21:32 <@Evilpig> RangerZ1: solarwinds is pretty fucking complicated these days.  it does everything from monitoring network status, including latencies, to monitoring device configs
21:32 < RangerZ1> it says it does "multi-dimensional analysis of SQL queries"
21:33 < RangerZ1> I have 2.5 fucking degrees in that area... and have no idea what they mean by that gobbledygook
21:33 <@Evilpig> never used that half of it, only ever used their network shit
21:33 <@Evilpig> and that was more than a decade ago
21:34 <@oddball> ah, ok
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21:46 < dfused> f'ing awesome: http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22530093.200-lasers-set-to-zap-engines-into-running-more-efficiently.html
21:46 < PigBot> Title: Lasers set to zap engines into running more efficiently - tech - 20 February 2015 - New Scientist (at www.newscientist.com)
21:58 < aestetix> howdy
22:15 < Synx|hm_> hey to my comcast brothers in nashville can you do a speed check please
22:16 < Synx|hm_> something like testmy.net and not speedtest.net
22:16 <@oddball> Oh... it's sucking.
22:16 < Synx|hm_> since last week ive been having horrible streaming video issues
22:16 < Synx|hm_> ok so its not me
22:16 <@oddball> Same here... at least today.
22:16 <@oddball> nope
22:16 < Synx|hm_> did they drop a peering partner, or the cold do something to their fiber?
22:17 < Synx|hm_> i assume they are fiber most places perhaps thats a bad assumption
22:17 <@oddball> hell, it could be both
22:17 <@oddball> I think it's a fiber backbone.
22:17 <@Evilpig> or it could just be business as usual at comcast but more people are using the net since they're iced in
22:18 <@Evilpig> just further showing that they're overbudget on their bandwidth
22:18 <@oddball> I've recieve three calls informing me of maintenance windows over the past two weeks.
22:19 <@frosty> @Ranger21 That's to monitor a somewhat large network. A google data center in solarwinds would probably take a quarter datacenter
22:19 < PigBot> frosty: Error: "Ranger21" is not a valid command.
22:19 < Synx|hm_> ya testmy.net for a week has been sub 5mbps
22:19 < Synx|hm_> its brutal
22:19 < Synx|hm_> however some places im peering at 50mbps
22:19 < Synx|hm_> so wtf
22:20 < Synx|hm_> my swiss vpn for example is near 50mpbs
22:20 < Synx|hm_> perhaps i should route all my traffic through it for now
22:20 < Synx|hm_> lol
22:20 <@oddball> ouch... mine's not that bad.
22:20 <@frosty> Ranger21 That's to monitor a somewhat large network. A google data center in solarwinds would probably take a quarter datacenter
22:20 <@frosty> And as much in cash for the license.
22:23 <@Evilpig> testmy.net is showing me at 808Kbps
22:23 <@Evilpig> which is shitteh
22:29 < dfused> dammit.. paying for 30 pulling dwn 4.9
22:31 <@frosty> http://www.mlive.com/weather/index.ssf/2015/02/-39_this_morning_in_one_michig.html
22:31 < PigBot> Title: At 39 below, Michigan almost as cold as North Pole | MLive.com (at www.mlive.com)
22:31 <@frosty> My home town was at -25F.
22:31 <@Dagmar> lol it's great outside right now
22:32  * frosty is now a pansy for copmlaining about 0F.
22:32 <@Dagmar> There's lots of places where the freezing rain means the road is just wet
22:32 <@Dagmar> ...and where that's not the case, looks exactly the same.
22:33 < dfused> isnt that called black ice?
22:34 <@oddball> Damn... Flint is -25, and Ann Arbor is -30 while Detroit is -12?  They're not that far from each other.
22:34 <@oddball> I feel a need to call my dad to make sure he's not a popsicle.
22:34 < dfused> never a bad idea
22:34 < dfused> you should
22:34 <@Dagmar> They're closer than ever thanks to thermal contraction
22:35 <@Dagmar> ...or at least closer than they're been in a while
22:36 <@oddball> heh
22:37 <@frosty> dagmar oy.
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