--- Log opened Mon Feb 09 00:00:26 2015
00:17 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: TN has already put out a call for farmers willing to register for growing hemp
00:18 <@Dagmar> THey have seen ALL TEH MUNNIES that Colorado and Washington have taken in, and they are interested.
00:30 <@Dagmar> Oh FFS
00:31 <@Dagmar> Somehow the App Store has gotten it into it's head that my package isn't compatible with tablets
01:15 <@Bahhumbug> Comment was referring to TN and gay marriage.
01:15 <@Bahhumbug> And hemp != pot.  TN will be among the last to legalize that as well.
01:15 <@Bahhumbug> (It is a good first step, though)
01:16 <@RangerZ> Bahhumbug: HEMP is ilegal mostly b/c of cotton industry
01:16 <@RangerZ> but yeah... agreed
01:16 <@Bahhumbug> Cotton is part of it, the paper industry is another as is petro-chem.
01:16 <@RangerZ> yeah
01:17 <@Bahhumbug> Most versatile plant on the planet, they should be scared :)
01:18 <@Bahhumbug> You know...
01:18 <@Bahhumbug> Speaking of pot....
01:18  * Bahhumbug goes to get more wakey-baked
01:39 <@Dagmar> Okay... I *think* the Play Store just decided to start holding my app to a higher standard when I set the targetSdk to 21
01:40 <@Dagmar> I hadn't specified anything about screen sizes and I think it start disallowing my Xoom on that basis
01:40 <@RangerZ> not sure
01:41 <@RangerZ> but yes, when API is set higher, you app has strickter requriements/etc
01:41 <@Dagmar> I figured as much
01:42 <@RangerZ> but 4.0 is what you shoudl be targetting
01:42 <@RangerZ> so 15
01:42 <@RangerZ> or 16 to hit 4.1+
01:42 <@Dagmar> I may roll it back to 15
01:43 <@Dagmar> I don't know of any reason it woudln't be compatible with the latest stuff
01:43 <@RangerZ> https://developer.android.com/about/dashboards/index.html  16 => 85.8% of devices
01:43 < PigBot`> Title: Dashboards | Android Developers (at developer.android.com)
01:43 <@RangerZ> 14 -> 92.2
01:43 <@RangerZ> 16 would probably be better for ya
01:43 <@RangerZ> offhand I forget 'why'
01:43 <@Dagmar> I have the minimumSdk set to 9
01:43 <@RangerZ> yeah... no
01:43 <@RangerZ> lol
01:44 <@Dagmar> Yeah yes
01:44 <@Dagmar> I want it to be able to run on 2.3 devices
01:44 <@RangerZ> set 'target' to 19 then
01:44 <@RangerZ> and 'min' to 9
01:44 <@Dagmar> Why set the target to 19?
01:44 <@RangerZ> b/c most people are on 4.1 or 4.4
01:44 <@RangerZ> 4.4 is 19
01:44 <@Dagmar> So why not 21?
01:45 <@RangerZ> 21 = lolipop
01:45 <@RangerZ> and 1.6% have that
01:45 <@Dagmar> Yeah, and it should run on that fine
01:45 <@RangerZ> 'should'
01:45 <@RangerZ> yes
01:45 <@RangerZ> but 'target' -> less hassle
01:45 <@RangerZ> espeically since the device you have is running 4.4
01:45 <@Dagmar> Well, I'm pretty sure if the trivially simple features this uses didn't work on L we'd be hearing screaming on the net about it
01:45 <@RangerZ> plus 5 adds in ART runtime
01:45 <@RangerZ> which does things 'differently'
01:46 <@Dagmar> Yes, I have that available on my phone
01:46 <@Dagmar> It's an experimental feature they swear will make your phone explode and blow your ear off, but it works regardless
01:46 <@RangerZ> Dagmar: yeah, but you aren't trying to DO trivial things
01:46 <@Dagmar> It's rather a lot tidier about memory management
01:46 <@RangerZ> most people don't make widgets ;)
01:46 <@RangerZ> for a reason -_-
01:46 <@Dagmar> Well, I'd say that reason is because all the documentation is the work of people on an ether binge, but that's me
01:47 <@Dagmar> It's not actually _that_ complex
01:48 <@Dagmar> Anyway, I threw the requisite four new attributes for screen sizes into the manifest
01:48 <@Dagmar> Now it's just a matter of waiting for the play store to chew on it
01:48 <@Dagmar> I'd noticed the number of supported devices dropped by about 6000 at some point but I hadn't figured out why yet
01:48 <@Dagmar> If that change to the manifest doesn't fix it I'll go back and change the targetSdk to 15 again
01:49 <@RangerZ> odd
01:49 <@Dagmar> It kinda pisses me off because I didn't catch this before it was pushed to prod
01:49 <@RangerZ> not sure
01:50 <@Dagmar> Doing a dynamic tick timer is turning out to be interesting
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01:58 <@Dagmar> I am going to cross my fingers the first time and hope that setRepeating works like set, in that I won't have to explicitly _cancel_ the existing alarm to update it
02:01 <@Dagmar> If I have to generate a new project and copy all the XML and java and images *into* it I will
03:00 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQZ2UeOTO3I
03:00 < PigBot`> Title: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Marketing to Doctors (HBO) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
03:00 < RangerZ1> Comedy Central screwed up letting him go, lol
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03:33 <@RangerZ>  http://www.theleafchronicle.com/story/sports/college/2015/02/08/kentucky-much-vandy-women/23100909/
03:33 < PigBot`> Title: Kentucky too much for Vandy women (at www.theleafchronicle.com)
03:33 <@RangerZ> they did that title on purpose...
03:33 <@RangerZ> http://news.vanderbilt.edu/2015/02/support-rising-for-gay-unions-in-tennessee-vanderbilt-poll/ ALL THE WAY UP TO 25%
03:33 < PigBot`> Title: Support rising for gay unions in Tennessee: Vanderbilt Poll | Research News @ Vanderbilt | Vanderbilt University (at news.vanderbilt.edu)
03:34 <@RangerZ> for civil unions, lol... and 32% for marriage
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07:30 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
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08:10 < Synx|hm> who wants to buy a badass 2003 Subaru WRX?
08:11 < Synx|hm> and then once i sell that a 2008 Nissan Frontier SE 4cyl
08:11 <@Dagmar> Not it!
08:11 < Synx|hm> :(
08:12 < Synx|hm> since i cant transport the kid in the truck im stuck driving him around in the suby at the moment and realizing i need to sell both
08:17 < RangerZ1> 400$?
08:17 < Synx|hm> haha ya no sorry
08:17 < RangerZ1> 500$ ?
08:17 < RangerZ1> hehe
08:17 < Synx|hm> winner!
08:18 < RangerZ1> if you're going to post something like that...
08:18 < RangerZ1> then you really should put an asking price
08:18 < Synx|hm> ;) im going to have to list it on a car forum i think, too much "invested" in it that wont be understood/noticed by adverage craigslist i assume
08:18 < Synx|hm> think im going to list it for $11k
08:19 < Synx|hm> everything minus the internals of the block are heavly modified
08:19 < RangerZ1> I'd still throw it on CL, and put the price as what it is, etc
08:19 < Synx|hm> ya i guess you never know, someone in the know about em might see it there good call
08:19 < Synx|hm> going to take me days to list and remember all what ive done to it lol
08:20 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking if you can't tote that kid around in a pickup, you need to start restricting how much he's allowed to eat
08:20 < Synx|hm> lol, its a king cab and i cant put a rear facing car seat in the front seat
08:20 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: remember... "nanny State" forcing him to let the kid INSIDE the truck
08:20 < RangerZ1> not just in the bed of the truck
08:21 < Synx|hm> and the rear fold down jump seat is specifically a NO NO in the carseat manual nevermind it doesn't feel very secure
08:21 < RangerZ1> how old ?
08:21 < Synx|hm> i love the truck though :( 4cyl 2wd no hp, stupid easy to work on, bullet proof engine
08:21 < Synx|hm> 2008 frontier se
08:21 < RangerZ1> how old -> the kid
08:22 < Synx|hm> oh lol
08:22 < Synx|hm> jesus
08:22 < Synx|hm> i am le tired
08:22 < Synx|hm> 18.5 months
08:22 < RangerZ1> ahh
08:22 < RangerZ1> http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_levitt_on_child_carseats?language=en
08:22 < PigBot`> Title: Steven Levitt: Surprising stats about child carseats | Talk Video | TED.com (at www.ted.com)
08:22 < RangerZ1> you might want to watch that after you get sleep
08:22 < RangerZ1> after ~2 or 3... "full" car seats aren't actually useful
08:23 < RangerZ1> I haven't watched in a while, but interesting
08:23 < Synx|hm> ill check it out thanks
08:23 < RangerZ1> apparently 'booster' seats at that age, make it as/more safe
08:23 < RangerZ1> because ... parents who are tired... don't hook up car seats properly ... ever... LL
08:24 < RangerZ1> lol*
08:24 < RangerZ1> and good thing you're never tired ;)
08:24 < Synx|hm> oh ya valid
08:24 < Synx|hm> i spent 2 hours yesterday test fitting in the truck and suby
08:24 < RangerZ1> its more complex than that, but basically after a certain point, car seats vs boosters become more of a mental thing for the parent
08:25 < Synx|hm> but im obsessive about these sorts of things
08:25 < RangerZ1> "i spent X000$ dollars to protect my kid... so its good"
08:25 < Synx|hm> ha i got this car seat for $110 at target on heavy discount but ya i see what you are getting at
08:25 < RangerZ1> when the cheaper option is actually better, but can't be sold as easily
08:26 < Synx|hm> im watching this ted talk now though thank you
08:26 < RangerZ1> hehe
08:26 < RangerZ1> yeah, let me know what you think about it
08:27 < RangerZ1> its from 2005, so it might be slightly outdated, but I think the core concept holds
08:34 < RangerZ1> Synx|hm: ohh yeah, there is some issues with the first study he talks about, b/c it only involves accidents where someone died, b/c thats 'all' the gov't keeps track of
08:34 < Synx|hm> ya i noticed that, im curious if hes going to get to height as a major factor too here
08:35 < Synx|hm> obviously a kid that bairly fits in a lap belt, or a child that wiggles around is going to completely negate any lap and shoulder belt safety
08:36 < Synx|hm> watching the nead either a) slam the knees or b) slam chin to chest really makes my neck hurt
08:36 < Synx|hm> s/nead/head
08:36 <@Dolemite> Yeah, the last revision to TN's law was completely stupid
08:37 <@Dolemite> It required a booster seat until age 9, without regard to the height of the child
08:38 < Synx|hm> didn't know that, seems silly at first glance, everything ive read (and i am for sure no expert here) directly ties hight and weight to usage of different carseat/booster setups
08:38 <@Dolemite> My son at 8 was taller than most 10 year olds, yet he was still required by law to sit in the booster
08:38 < Synx|hm> we almost got a volvo before we got the wifes ford edge, the volvo had a built in booster
08:38 <@Dolemite> Well they simply say you have to use a booster...  but there's a point when boosters for a kid that size aren't made
08:39 < Synx|hm> makes so much sense to just implement this shit at the car mfg
08:40 < RangerZ1> Synx|hm: he covers that too, basically teh 'booster' seat
08:42 < RangerZ1> whoops, chat didn't scroll
08:42 < RangerZ1> but yeah, the seat should have them built in
08:42 < Synx|hm> RangerZ1: just finished it, its interesting for sure, but im not entierly sure what he is testing with his crash test there, is it just measurement of g's? forward displacement of head? etc... at the end during the one Q&A he says there is a medical paper that is completely at odds with his findings too
08:43 < Synx|hm> either way good food for thought
08:43 < Synx|hm> and very valid point, this shit should be a part of the car, hacking some seat to a car where both were not specifically designed for eachother is a recipe for disaster at some point
08:43 < RangerZ1> Synx|hm: the numbers are based off government standard
08:44 < RangerZ1> basically a # that crash test facilities/gov't/manf know
08:44 < RangerZ1> but don't share
08:44 < RangerZ1> it measures G/s distance traveled/ time travelled/and other stuff
08:44 < RangerZ1> I looked into it once a few years ago
08:45 < Synx|hm> ahh, i wonder if direction of travel relative to body orientation is another big factor, as in what direction your organs are forced to go relative to your body
08:46 < RangerZ1> yeah, and so they had doctors/etc make a formula
08:46 < RangerZ1> and thats the 400 out of 1000 , 600/1000 he's talking about
08:46 < Synx|hm> for example rear facing car seats with incline placing frontal impact loads even across the back etc
08:46 < Synx|hm> ya
08:47 < Synx|hm> i guess what i need to keep in mind is this entire talk is for 2+ ages, and my only expereience is tiny babies at this point lol
08:47 < RangerZ1> obviously, I'm not saying "don't use" car seats, but instead look into when best to use 'booster', etc.  espcecially if you can buy a back seat with one built in for your car, etc
08:47 < RangerZ1> new cars have them
08:47 < Synx|hm> though there is no way in hell my kid will sit by himself and not wiggle out of a normal carseat with booster when he is 2, not a chance in hell
08:48 < RangerZ1> yeah
08:48 <@Dagmar> Bondage tape
08:48 < Synx|hm> haha ya, HEY EVERYBODY RANGERZ SAYS DONT USE CARSEATS!
08:48 < Synx|hm> lol
08:48 < Synx|hm> oh so... we were at a bday part for a one year old yesterday
08:49 < RangerZ1> stop
08:49 < RangerZ1> if this brought up in your mind from Dagmar's bondage tape comment... we don't want to know
08:49 < RangerZ1> lol
08:49 <@Dagmar> heh
08:49 < Synx|hm> somebody got the kid some fancy doll and it came in the box and no shit had a plastic bag just over the head and tied around the neck
08:50 < Synx|hm> W...T...F... the purchaser of said gift said it was to keep the head sanitary
08:51 < RangerZ1> lol
08:51 <@Dagmar> It's probably because it was made n China
08:51 < RangerZ1> also... nice crazypantsing my comments there
08:52 < RangerZ1> aka... taking what someone says out of contex, and blaming them ;)
08:52 < Synx|hm> no worries i hope it stands out for those that read their buffer during lunch
08:52 < Synx|hm> i should have put *** around it too
08:53 < RangerZ1> also the boosters now have 4 point harnesses
08:53 < RangerZ1> 5*
08:53 < RangerZ1> to keep your houdini kids in ;)
08:55 < RangerZ1> who needs sirloin steaks for breakfast...
08:55 < RangerZ1> <<
08:55 < RangerZ1> well steak* singular
08:56 < Synx|hm> ha speaking of houdini i'm not sure how or when but Oliver has the core strength of an olmpypic wrestler, every f'ing time i try and change his diaper now he pulls some fucking jiu jitsu move on me and he ends up on this hands and knees showing me the full fruit salad and smearing poop everywhere
08:59 < Synx|hm> and also tmux just blew my mind, i had no idea i could have a tmux screen open from two remote console sessions at the same time
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08:59 <@Dagmar> hehe
09:01 <@RangerZ> Synx|hm: good news
09:01 <@RangerZ> you get to go home and take a 9hr nap
09:01 < Synx|hm> motherfucker
09:02 <@RangerZ> hehe
09:02 < Synx|hm> i wait on here on this fucking ticket queueing system and it puts me at the head of the line for tickets
09:02 < Synx|hm> then never forwards me to the fucking website to buy
09:02 < Synx|hm> FUCK
09:05 <@RangerZ> buy what?
09:05 <@RangerZ> sleep?
09:05 <@RangerZ> lol
09:05 < Synx|hm> friends are coming into town this weekend and his wifes only request was to go to bluebird cafe
09:06 < Synx|hm> and i just lost out on tickets
09:06 <@RangerZ> ouch
09:06 <@RangerZ> you using that 'empty table' app?
09:06 <@RangerZ> or w/e the name is
09:07 < Synx|hm> bluebird does some special ticket queueing system
09:07 < Synx|hm> you have to wait in a virtual line for access to their website
09:07 < Synx|hm> ok time to wake up kiddo feed him and then take him to daycare in the most badass subaru ride of his life
09:07 <@RangerZ> http://www.opentable.com/start/home
09:07 < Synx|hm> hope i dont hit a pothole and jar off his head
09:08 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I am really about to upload an empty APK as an alpha and start copying pieces into it one at a time
09:08 < Synx|hm> RangerZ: its more of a concert venue than a cafe (in fact i hear the food sucks)
09:09 <@RangerZ> where is it?
09:09 <@RangerZ> nvm 4104 Hillsboro Pike, Nashville, TN 37215
09:10 <@Dagmar> THis is a part of the Play Store that could stand to be improved
09:17 <@RangerZ> 'which part' in paricular?
09:17 <@RangerZ> it telling you how many devices can run your app?
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09:57 <@benthemeek> Well much progress was made yesterday/last night into digtizing everything
09:57 <@benthemeek> still a lot to do though
09:58 <@benthemeek> Tilghman has kept every scrap of paper for the org for years
09:59 <@benthemeek> Thankfully by law we are only required to have 3 years on hand, so hopefully someone talks down the crazies that think we need to put everything in to the system going back to the first records :P
10:00 <@benthemeek> Also Elonka grilled all the these officers and got details for past mistakes/errors and is having reports made to explain them. She uses some japanese diagram or something for correcting things like that that I had never heard of
10:02 <@Evilpig> You mean mistakes like signing a contract that was insane?  or ignoring the person crying out "I hope you didn't sign this insane proposal"?
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10:02 <@Evilpig> damnit.  I took my screws upstairs
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10:02 <@benthemeek> Yes the contract screw up will be detailed in her words as " Someone who comes in 20 years from now who know nothing about it or us can read it and know e=xactly what happened"
10:03 <@Evilpig> boss's desk covered in aluminum shavings.  check. 
10:03 <@benthemeek> I assume when that is all written and done and both John and Dru's part detail any members can request a copy
10:03 <@Evilpig> one task for the day done
10:04 <@benthemeek> detailed*
10:04 <@Evilpig> if I wanted to read fiction I'd pick up something entertaining. ;)
10:04 <@benthemeek> It wont be fiction is she is having a hand I assure you
10:05 <@benthemeek> She ended the meeting last night with "Does anyone feel like anything has been hidden or hidden from them? before we adjourn
10:05 < aestetix> wow
10:05 < aestetix> Elonka is amazing.
10:05 <@benthemeek> it was like a 9 hour paper input marathon
10:05 < aestetix> also, do not fuck with her
10:06 <@benthemeek> She has no problem calling anyone out on screwups
10:07 <@benthemeek> Since it wasnt finsihed the people who are off today are going back over there starting at 11 again and working I think
10:07 <@benthemeek> and then the first board meeting is tonight
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10:08 < aestetix> Fuck!
10:08 < aestetix> kickass got taken down :/
10:08 <@Evilpig> it's up again
10:08 <@benthemeek> None of us knew much about accounting but it turns out the bank records and transactions behave a lot differently than a dual input system or whatever. All the vendors have to be created and the credited billed accordingly over time. Then you match that to the bank records and see disparities problems etc
10:08 <@Evilpig> it's back at .to
10:09 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: that's called balancing a checkbook
10:09 <@benthemeek> We are using quickbooks online
10:10 <@Dagmar> I see that the documentation for linking a project to a remote git repo is appropriately shitty
10:10 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: I thought that too, but financial packages for organizations are a lot more indepth and we are trying to do it right
10:11 <@benthemeek> anyway the hope is that by the end of this marathon a total financial report can be made for the whole of the organization up to january of this year
10:12 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: yes.  look for clone and push
10:12 <@Evilpig> errr clone and pull request
10:13 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: No this is specifically for Android Studio, which is it's own special kind of hell
10:13 <@Evilpig> found my missing wrench.  now to head down to the computer room for the bigger drill so I can make this hole big enough for an M6 to pass through
10:15 < dfused> giggity
10:16 <@Evilpig> bah.  the biggest bit I can get into the dremel is 1/8"   9/64" would be ideal but nope
10:17 <@Evilpig> I just realized I left my keyless chuck sitting on the kitchen table
10:17 <@CRasH180> You could use the Dremel or a round file to drill the hole out large enough to fit the bolt/screw size you need
10:18 <@CRasH180> You know, grating against the sides of the hole to make it larger
10:18 <@CRasH180> Had to do that on occasion
10:18 <@Evilpig> yeah but I need to make several holes
10:18 <@Evilpig> I had to do that on some steel mounting rails a few months back
10:19 <@Evilpig> we have a regular drill here somewhere.  i'll dig and find it
10:22 <@Dagmar> Okay fuck this
10:23 <@Dagmar> It doesn't work and I am perfectly fine making a copy of the directory each time for now
10:23 <@Dagmar> In fact, let's have another round of "fuck everyone who writes any sort of Android developer documentation"
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10:56 < Synx|hm> fucking razer, about once ever 2 months or so this fucking razer synapse install thing pops up on my computer, it must be flash embeded in my keyboard
10:56 < Synx|hm> how scummy
11:00 <@Evilpig> today we learn about "safety glasses" and why you should always wear them while drilling into a block of metal
11:00 < Synx|hm> oh its windows update thats doing this
11:00 < Synx|hm> how lovely
11:10 < Synx|hm> oh man this daycare thing is working out
11:11 < Synx|hm> work just told me i have a conf call at 8am on wed, to which i replied. um sory nope i sure dont, ive been working 60-80 hour weeks for 2 years, starting today you can schedule me inside the hours of 9-5 outside of that and we can talk and see if i feel like doing anything else
11:11 <@Evilpig> being 1/32" of an inch off per foot adds up quickly
11:25 < RangerZ1> 1/32" per foot is a HUGE error
11:25 < RangerZ1> i'd kill someone if I had to fix that via drywall...
11:39 < aestetix> wow this is awesome
11:39 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8aibUneV3E
11:39 < PigBot`> Title: T.J. Millers Adventures in the Tech World | Crunchies Awards 2015 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
11:40 < aestetix> and techcrunch's disavowel: http://techcrunch.com/2015/02/07/a-word-on-the-crunchies/
11:40 < PigBot`> Title: A Word On The Crunchies | TechCrunch (at techcrunch.com)
11:47 < aestetix> The best part is how they ban TJ Miller for saying offensive words on stage, but they allow interviews with sexual predators who have actually committed assault.
11:48 < RangerZ1> the Crunchies are a joke
11:55 < aestetix> I just pointed out on twitter that they did that while giving Uber an award for best strtup
11:55 < aestetix> Uber, which has ignored several sexual assault charges
11:58 < aestetix> I'm guessing the actual reason they dropped TJ as host is because the woman he was insulting happens to be the girlfriend of the CEO of Uber
11:58 < RangerZ1> lol
11:58 < RangerZ1> aestetix: the reason was b/c she was a female
11:58 < RangerZ1> if this is the story I'm familiar with
11:58 < RangerZ1> how they "insulted women"
11:59 <@oddball> I keep seeing these reports with Uber and Lyft, and can't help but think "gee... if only there was some regulating authority that these services had to go through..."
11:59 < aestetix> so insulting women is not ok but sexually assaulting them is?
11:59 < RangerZ1> (I haven't listened to it yet, and will hold judgement until I do), but many of the comments i read about how it was 'horrible' seemed to be blowing it up out of proportion
11:59 < aestetix> RangerZ1: that is correct
11:59 < aestetix> I thought TJ was fucking hilarious
11:59 < RangerZ1> aestetix: the 'reports of assault' => where?
12:00 < RangerZ1> india?
12:00 < RangerZ1> where uber is putting in a panic button?
12:00 < RangerZ1> and ride-share feature ?
12:00 < aestetix> http://valleywag.gawker.com/uber-ceo-on-driver-assault-its-not-real-and-were-n-1323533057
12:00 < RangerZ1> mind you... I've sat and had hours-long discussions with an indian girl living over here now, about this topic
12:00 < aestetix> that is just one example
12:01 < aestetix> I mean that doesn't even begin to address the issues with Uber, but is relevant to the issue here.
12:01  * oddball still doesn't understand the advantage of uber/lyft over a traditional taxi service... except for the hipster cool points.
12:01 < RangerZ1> oddball: b/c you don't ride the taxi often
12:01 < aestetix> oddball: the stated advantage is that the app can use your phone to geolocate where you are
12:01 < RangerZ1> I've waited 2hrs and almost missed a flight in NASHVILLE b/c the taxi I ordered didn't arrive
12:02 < RangerZ1> and then I called EVERY taxi company and told them to come get me
12:02 < RangerZ1> the -local- one was the only one to show up
12:02 <@Dagmar> oddball: Uber/lyft _actually show up_
12:02 < RangerZ1> also, oddball it is the mental ease of knowing 'where' your taxi is
12:02 <@oddball> Ah, so it's an issue that sometimes the tradtional companies suck at their jobs.
12:02 < RangerZ1> I called the taxi company and they said "he's on his way" over and over
12:02 <@Dagmar> oddball: You know where I live.  You know it's 10 minutes or less from where a ton of cabs hang out.  It takes a minimum of 45 minutes to an hour to get a cab to actually come here.
12:03 < RangerZ1> oddball: the problem is that taxis suck, yep
12:03 < RangerZ1> BUT....
12:03 < aestetix> Dagmar: Uber has lower standards for their drivers, too.
12:03 <@Dagmar> Except they _show up_
12:03 < RangerZ1> aestetix: and taxi companies don't ?
12:03 < RangerZ1> lol
12:03 <@oddball> Yeah... I have had to wait for a good while when I used to use Terry's auto repair down the street from Dagmar.
12:03 < aestetix> RangerZ1: they are at least regulated.
12:03 <@Dagmar> I don't need a cabbie who can handle the wheel under fire and shrapnel
12:03 < RangerZ1> aestetix: not really
12:03 < RangerZ1> aestetix: look more into it the taxi 'medallion' is
12:04 < RangerZ1> not the driver
12:04 < aestetix> right
12:04 < aestetix> but the driver is an employee of the company, etc
12:04 < RangerZ1> the driver is an independent contractor working for the company.... leasing the medallion
12:04 < RangerZ1> nope
12:04 < aestetix> whereas uber waives all liability
12:04 < RangerZ1> so do taxi companies
12:04 <@Dagmar> Now to see if it's the app_widget capability that's throwing 6,271 models out the window
12:04 < aestetix> maybe it depends on taxi companies
12:05 <@Dagmar> ...at least I got one of my layouts very seriously cleaned up in the process.
12:05 <@oddball> And the area you live in.
12:05 < RangerZ1> SO>>> I have relevant info to this discussion...
12:05 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Taxis in SF actually seem to care.  In Nashville, unless you're at the airport or a street with bars on it and cabs hanging out waiting... not so much
12:06 < aestetix> ah ok
12:06 < RangerZ1> http://www.debs2015.org/call-grand-challenge.html
12:06 < PigBot`> Title: DEBS 2015 (at www.debs2015.org)
12:06 < aestetix> I mean honestly taxi services should just create an app the way Uber has one
12:06 < RangerZ1> a world-wide competition for an open implementation to Uber's software... basically
12:06 < RangerZ1> with REAL taxi info from NYC
12:06 < RangerZ1> we have someone working on it
12:06 < RangerZ1> the actual implementation is super easy
12:10 <@oddball> Since any taxi company worth its salt already has GPS trackers on their cabs.
12:11 < RangerZ1> yeah
12:11 < RangerZ1> apparently in NY state, they have to
12:11 < Synx|hm> so i learned something important about taxies in NY
12:11 < Synx|hm> dont give them an address give them a cross street
12:12 < RangerZ1> lol
12:12 < Synx|hm> my first time in NY few months back i asked for street address on madison ave, and ended up 30 min on the wrong side of the town ugh
12:12 < Synx|hm> im positive the guy did it on purpose too
12:12 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm: everything you need to know about cabs in NY is "uber"
12:12 < Synx|hm> at least it was billable travel
12:12 < Synx|hm> ha
12:13 < RangerZ1> lol
12:13 <@Evilpig> open phone, type in address, watch for car to appear on map
12:13 < RangerZ1> apparently NYC/washington DC/ chicago are almost all uber-d now
12:14 < RangerZ1> and THAT is why we don't have many state/federal regulations... b/c politicians use it, and HATE the taxi industry as is too
12:14 < RangerZ1> lol
12:17 < Synx|hm> does uber pay good money?
12:17 < Synx|hm> i hear fedex drivers make damn good money btw, and burger king managers
12:18 < RangerZ1> Synx|hm: yes
12:18 < RangerZ1> not so much BK managers
12:18 < RangerZ1> my friend was asst. mang. and didn't move up b/c of the decrease in pay vs hrs
12:19 < RangerZ1> INCREASE in pay overall, but much more responsibility and basically no time off (his store)
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12:21 < RangerZ1> his problem was saying "bitch" over and over
12:21 < RangerZ1> sorry... back to T.J. Miller's talk
12:22 < RangerZ1> the asian comment is probably something I that he's said in other venues and it was taken well
12:22 < RangerZ1> I don't 'entirely' [get it]
12:22 < RangerZ1> but ehh... its comedy
12:22 < aestetix> right
12:22 < RangerZ1> the joke bombed
12:22 < aestetix> "get over it"
12:22 < RangerZ1> also... I think he owned her pretty well
12:23 < aestetix> the best part is when he's asking her about the startup
12:23 < RangerZ1> I called HIM a bitch... but you seem to think you're him
12:23 < aestetix> and she starts going into a serious pitch
12:23 < RangerZ1> lol
12:23 < aestetix> for a comedy act.
12:23 <@Dagmar> OKay... 8,264 devices supported still, according to the Developer Console
12:23 < RangerZ1> she should have just said 1 1 sentence 1 second elevator version
12:23 <@Dagmar> No damn idea what was going on still
12:23 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: no clue
12:24 < RangerZ1> never published an app
12:24 < aestetix> RangerZ1: yeah I dunno why she kept going on about it
12:24 < aestetix> Because it was fucking obvious he was guiding her into a trap
12:24 < RangerZ1> b/c she didn't realize she should just shut up
12:24 < aestetix> I mean he opened with all these insults at the bay area, and called her a bitch
12:24 < aestetix> and now he's gonna help her promote her stupid startup?
12:25 <@Dagmar> Considering the two remaining widgets don't do anything special at all, I'm guessing it was some option in the IDE that I clicked and it changed something I've no idea where is at
12:25 < RangerZ1> maybe
12:25 < aestetix> honestly the smart thing to do would be to pitch a hilarious fake startup idea
12:25 < RangerZ1> no
12:25 < RangerZ1> just give the 5 word answer
12:25 < RangerZ1> and just take your lumps and go home
12:26 < RangerZ1> and be able to tweet about it
12:26 < aestetix> haha
12:26 < RangerZ1> thats all
12:26 < aestetix> never get into a fight with the guy with the mic
12:26 < RangerZ1> "we help simplify shipping"
12:26 < RangerZ1> "ohh... how"
12:26 < aestetix> his answer was perfect
12:26 < RangerZ1> yep
12:26 < aestetix> "oh ok so it's fedex spelled wrong"
12:27 < RangerZ1> but, we're not insulted by his use of the term bitch
12:27 < RangerZ1> so we're mysoginists
12:27 < RangerZ1> which is why I've started using the term "dick" to refer to women who are being "dicks"
12:27 < RangerZ1> its such a male centric term, that no level of sexism can be infered
12:28 < aestetix> hahaha
12:28 < RangerZ1> inferred
12:28 < aestetix> what about asshole
12:28 < RangerZ1> nah, stay with the male centric
12:28 < RangerZ1> make it obvious that you're using a male term
12:28 < RangerZ1> "what... I was showing her respect for her gender"
12:28 < RangerZ1> "but telling her to STFU"
12:28 < RangerZ1> lol
12:29 < RangerZ1> and honestly... Feminists should be 100% happy with that, equal treatment of both genders
12:29 < RangerZ1> if 'bitch' has a gender bias... fine... we won't use it
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12:33 < aestetix> no they won't be
12:34 <@Dagmar> Actually, considering that I now see 8.264 devices listed for compatibility with the _production_ app, it could just be that the Developer Console is an asshole
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12:38 <@Evilpig> umm bitch is a female dog
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13:13 <@Dagmar> Let's see... there's "jackass"... "dipshit"... the old standby "fuckwit"...
13:13 <@Dagmar> There's lots of gender-neutral names you can throw.
13:14 < dfused> jackwagon
13:14 < dfused> assclown
13:15 < aestetix> butt pirate
13:16 < dfused> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/how-to-make-breakfast-with-your-vagina?utm_source=mbtwitter    ....WHAT THE FUCK
13:17 < dfused> "Her first batch of yogurt tasted sour, tangy, and almost tingly on the tongue"
13:18 < aestetix> ...
13:29 < aestetix> nappy is gender neutral
13:37 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: Is the post-mortem going to include who dealt with the hotel?
13:37 < _NSAKEY> Because I was told one thing about that, despite a hotel proposal and meeting minutes to the contrary.
13:38 < _NSAKEY> Scratch what I said about meeting minutes. It just says "a member," not anyone in particular.
13:39 < _NSAKEY> From Feb 2014: Discussion on the hotel: A much lower quote was given by Maxwell house than
13:39 < _NSAKEY> original thought. Also on topic is visiting the convention center and getting a tour
13:39 < _NSAKEY> mid week next week (a member has a contact in the center.
13:39 <@Dolemite> "a member" == CrazyPants
13:40 < _NSAKEY> Dolemite: She lied to my face about the proposal.
13:40 < _NSAKEY> I asked her, "Weren't you the one who got the proposal?"
13:40 < _NSAKEY> "No, I didn't see the contract or proposal."
13:40 < _NSAKEY> Her response suggested that she was blindsided by the question.
13:40 < _NSAKEY> Nevermind the fact that the proposal is distinctly addressed to "Ms. Adams."
13:41 <@Dolemite> That's ok, in digging up paperwork at Elonka's request, I've found all kinds of emails from 2002 where pretty much everybody warned me not to let Dru be involved in planning PN because he's a horrible communicator, doesn't follow through, and is too much of a control freak to let others get involved.
13:41 <@Dolemite> That was the year after he'd moved to Atlanta and may have to move back to Nashville after being laid off
13:42 <@Dolemite> So pretty much people who I will not publicly name here were telling me the same things that I and Wilbur and Dagmar and others have been trying to tell the current locals
13:42 < aestetix> Dolemite: then how did PN1-5 happen?
13:43 <@Dolemite> Because PN1-2 was basically just a bunch of people showing up at a hotel
13:43 <@Dolemite> PN 3-5 was more NLUG running the show than Nashville 2600
13:43 <@benthemeek> _NSAKEY: Yes. I saw that being addressed by elonka yesterday
13:44 <@benthemeek> Dru and John are writing up a full account
13:44 <@benthemeek> and the actual amount lost and everything will all be in the report
13:45 <@benthemeek> I assume that anyone may request a copy of that report when finished Elonka wants everything very clear and obvious
13:45 <@Dolemite> So far it looks like the majority of financial info is coming from my old records.  heh
13:46 <@benthemeek> You mean hotel stuff?
13:46 <@benthemeek> Tilghman had all the receipts and statements I think
13:46 <@benthemeek> He defintly did since 2009
13:47 <@Dolemite> Ah.  I had Profit/Loss statement spreadsheets for PN7-9
13:47 <@benthemeek> I think some of the other records may have been yours Dolemite. Elonka was putting together a sort of corporate binder with all important documentation and tax stuff in a one stop shop thing
13:47 <@Dolemite> PN7 was pre-incorporation
13:48 <@benthemeek> Wow if they are going back for in quick books
13:49 <@benthemeek> we just did 2012 forward yesterday and we didnt even finish all that, just the bank
13:49 <@Dolemite> Well that shows the spending pattern for when the conference was actually making a small profit
13:49 < aestetix> What takes so much time? Sorting paperwork, or calculations?
13:49 <@benthemeek> ah. Excellent she was asking those numbers
13:50 <@benthemeek> The way the accounting software works is you have a ledger and then your bank records
13:50 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Apparently the electronic records no longer exist, other than what I passed along.  They had to sort and scan paper.
13:50 <@benthemeek> the ledger is set up with credits and debits from vendors and then is it reconcinled with the bank system
13:50 <@benthemeek> Dolemite: correct
13:50 <@benthemeek> Tilghman had a tarball of a postgres database
13:51 <@benthemeek> it was so out of date though he was trying to compile a old version of an engine to read from it
13:51 <@Dagmar> jesus
13:52 <@benthemeek> The great news is the paper is all there
13:52 <@Dagmar> The fuck is with people trying to keep shit in machine formats over time
13:52 <@benthemeek> is just the electronic is the gap
13:52 <@benthemeek> The other good thing was we were able to get bank stuff from the bank in a csv for the past 18 months
13:52 <@Dolemite> PN8 was able to bank +$2200 after all expenses.  Just so you know how bitter that ~ $10K?  $12K?  $YourAsses loss was.
13:52 <@benthemeek> It wasnt a 10 K loss
13:53 <@Dolemite> Well when a 'sponsor' writes a check for $6 of course not
13:53 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: How much does the official account of PN18's ups and down differ from what has been said in this channel and at Noshville/The January meeting?
13:53 <@benthemeek> it was about a 5 I think but dont quote me that is all getting put in the report
13:53 <@Evilpig> if you had 10k in expenses over what you brought in, it was a loss
13:53 <@Dolemite> s/$6/$6K
13:53 <@benthemeek> After the Tshirts check is cashed we will have about 1 K in the bank
13:54 <@Dagmar> Either way, what was being claimed was that it merely didn't go so well... not that it was nearly the next Dashcon
13:54 <@benthemeek> Now we have close to 2 K but thats just because they havent cashed yet
13:54 <@Dagmar> Looks like we're going to have to start asking people go donate sperm
13:54 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: Did that sponsor money that was mentioned in the minutes come through?
13:54 <@benthemeek> Dolemite I think dru went back to the hotel and got it lower. Again all the numbers are there so it was about a 5 k loss
13:55 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: donating sperm with crazypants in the mix?  you're just asking for a rape claim with genetic evidence 
13:55 <@Dagmar> So that was what... 80-90% of the budget as a loss then'
13:55 <@benthemeek> Elonka wants to see it in writing before proceeding with that sponsor but based upon the emails it looks like a sure thing
13:56 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: so when are they going to propose changing the bylaws to extend the org to dealing with a second springtime con?
13:56 <@benthemeek> Well the over all point is Elonka and the board are committed to transparency and openness
13:56 <@benthemeek> For those who were there or can come to future stuff you will have access to all of it on request
13:57 <@Dagmar> 'cuz I'm thinking there's not a lot of wisdom in letting someone who bobbled >80% of the capital away throw a second con on beggared money is a good idea
13:57 <@benthemeek> I dont know if Elonka and board are totally gung ho for a spring con yet
13:57 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: But are dues paying members going to be given this post-mortem report that was mentioned on the list?
13:57 <@Dagmar> s/is a good idea/
13:57 <@benthemeek> 5 K of money is very attractive though
13:57 <@Dagmar> Yeah but what's it _for_?
13:57 <@Dagmar> Phreaknic in the fall, or Dashcon in the spring?
13:57 <@Dolemite> Yeah, what's the benefit to the organization or the community?
13:57 <@Evilpig> what was promised to someoene in exchange for 5k
13:57 < aestetix> benthemeek: how can you do a spring con if the fall con didn't do well?
13:57 < aestetix> Dagmar: hahaha
13:57 <@benthemeek> _NSAKEY: That is my understanding yes, that the post mortem report will be available to those who ask
13:57 <@Dolemite> If you get $5K in donations and you simply break even, there's no point
13:57 <@Evilpig> ^
13:58 <@Dagmar> ...and if you get $5 in donations and lose another $8k, who pays for it?
13:58 < aestetix> well at least rock1t isn't running thee show
13:58 <@benthemeek> aestetix: it wasnt that it didnt do well it was that the contract was way over reaching
13:58 < aestetix> ahh ok
13:58 <@Dolemite> The MISSION STATEMENT of Nashville 2600 was to produce an educational conference on an annual basis in late October or Early November.
13:58 <@benthemeek> Phreaknic attendance was about the same as previous years
13:58 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: I don't think blaming the hotel/contract is reasonable
13:58 <@benthemeek> recent year I mean
13:59 <@Dagmar> It's been what it as since the move to Murfreesboro
13:59 <@Evilpig> from teh reports I got attendance was the same as last year which was WAY FUCKING DOWN
13:59 <@Dolemite> benthemeek: That's part of the problem - attendance has been down
13:59 <@Dagmar> To put things very bluntly...
13:59 <@Evilpig> 17 was down about 75 from the usual amount and the answer I got as to why was we went so early and didn't advertise enough that people didn't know it was happening early
13:59 <@benthemeek> I am getting way a head of things but basically "100 rooms" is different than a "100 room nights"
13:59 <@Dagmar> If Dru sets up another large liability for something outside the scope of the orgs charter, _we are going to have a massive_ problem
13:59 <@Evilpig> way fucking different
14:00 <@Dagmar> A kicking someone out of their position level problem.
14:00 <@benthemeek> the hotel may of written the contract like we requested it may not be their fault so I am not trying to blame them
14:00 <@Evilpig> the hotel knew what they were doing
14:00 <@Evilpig> they had an idiot on the hook and made money
14:00 <@Dagmar> Either way, the blame falls to the person who badly misbudgeted
14:00 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: That's the thing. The proposal made that stuff about the rooms crystal clear.
14:01 <@Evilpig> I called that shit out, and I'm sure there is email saying so
14:01 <@benthemeek> Evilpig: We know
14:01 < _NSAKEY> It's clearly 25 rooms for Thursday, and 100 rooms for Friday and Saturday.
14:01 <@Dagmar> ...and let's spell it out further.  Say things go south again and the org is suddenly in the hole
14:01 <@benthemeek> I mean that you called alot of these things out
14:01 < _NSAKEY> Like, there is no way anyone actually read that and misunderstood it. I refuse to believe anyone in the org is that illiterate.
14:01 <@Dagmar> What's going to happen when auditors with letters attached to their names start sniffing around and see that the expenditures in the spring were not covered by the org's bylaws?
14:02 <@benthemeek> elonka is all about learning from past mistakes so she is putting together the steps to keep it from ever happening again
14:02 <@benthemeek> Dagmar: Its a good question
14:02 <@Dolemite> ok, tour time
14:03 <@Dagmar> I am not against the idea of a spring con.  I am against the idea of the org backing a spring con being run by someone who just made a huge pile of mistakes.
14:03 <@Dagmar> Very, very bad outcomes lie that way.
14:03 <@benthemeek> _NSAKEY: the other thing is that tilghman told dru 100 room nights and dru may of thought 100 rooms
14:03 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: Who read the proposal and signed the contract?
14:03 <@benthemeek> Look this is all just me telling you some of what I saw yesterday. Let them right the report and all will be clear
14:03 < _NSAKEY> s/proposal/propsal and contract/
14:04 <@benthemeek> Dru and John reviewed the contract and dru signed
14:04 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: How do we request the report and when/how do we get it? Via e-mail? At meetings?
14:05 <@benthemeek> Dagmar: Here is the thing. Dru made some mistakes, but we now have accountability and more than one person doing things and reviewing things (finances etc)
14:05 <@benthemeek> The more eyes the better and stuff like that wont happen
14:05 < _NSAKEY> Translation: Hurricane Elonka?
14:06 <@benthemeek> I am SURE there will be bylaws or policies to keep a contract from ever almost ending our organization again
14:06 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: What about planning directors who go out of their way to cause trouble?
14:06 < _NSAKEY> Has that lesson been learned yet?
14:06 <@benthemeek> A good deal of time yesterday was spent on a review of all accounts of the events and paperwork from it
14:07 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: Most of those same eyes were present the last time.
14:07 <@Dagmar> In fact, just about all of them were.
14:07 <@Dagmar> To stop beating around the bush... let me spell it out for you
14:08 <@Dagmar> Should Dru fuck things up again and the org wind up in the hole, when the creditors come calling there will be an _audit_ run by men from the government
14:08 <@Dagmar> Those men will look at the bylaws and start using the phrase "misuse of funds"
14:08 <@benthemeek> The point is to make it so no one person can fuck it up though Dagmar
14:08 <@Dagmar> Then no amount of hand waving and ignoring the problem will matter.
14:09 <@benthemeek> It was what Dolemite and you guys started after 13
14:09 <@benthemeek> create a board that reviews stuff
14:09 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: The board only deals with bylaws
14:09 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: you can still have one person fuck it all up when that person refuses to listen to anyone else...
14:09 <@benthemeek> Elonka is making sure that that board actually has teeth and has to double check things
14:09 <@Dagmar> The board has no power to make decisions directly with respect to Phreaknic
14:09 <@benthemeek> Well right now they have our respect
14:10 <@Evilpig> the officers sole job is to produce phreaknic.  the board is there to step in and remove an asshat if necessary
14:10 <@benthemeek> soon I think there will be by-laws with an accounatabilty chain
14:10 <@Evilpig> until skydick went and fucked the org there was no need for a board
14:11 <@Dagmar> UNtil he fucked us with the Days Inn Stadium we didn't have a need for Murfreesboro, either
14:11 <@benthemeek> Well Elonka seems to know a lot more about how non-profits should be ran and shes is making sure that stuff gets in place
14:12 <@Evilpig> murfreesboro came about as an area with more shit available and no hookers/drug dealers in plain sight
14:12 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: How did that happen? Just asking for a quick history lesson.
14:12 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: he wouldn't answer their phone calls
14:12 <@benthemeek> Its just a guess but I would bet the board might be required to review large contracts in future before signature or something
14:12 <@benthemeek> but again I am speculating
14:12 <@Evilpig> 2) he booked the con on a home game weekend
14:12 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: Hookers and dealers in plain sight in East Nashville hasn't been a big thing in about 10 years.
14:12 <@Evilpig> _NSAKEY: go stay at the old days inn 
14:13 <@Evilpig> they are there
14:13 <@Evilpig> still
14:13 < _NSAKEY> Oh, at hotels. Yeah, that seems reasonable.
14:13 < _NSAKEY> I mean out on corners and sidewalks on main roads.
14:13 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: Easy.  In the past, when the hotel had networking problems, _we_ fixed them.  They called Wilbur and either he took care of it or got someone to take care of it.
14:13 <@Evilpig> in front of the old con hotel
14:13 <@Evilpig> they were on the corner
14:13 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: When they called Skydog, he basically ignored them.
14:13 <@Evilpig> I partially repaired that relationship after skydog but it never was what it originally was
14:14 <@Evilpig> I did tech support for them up until i left nashville
14:14 < _NSAKEY> Dru mentioned at that bar we went to that he "wasn't married to" the maxwell house, and was thinking of hitting up the days inn since it's been remodeled.
14:14 <@benthemeek> I know I am easily impressed and pretty much like everbody and thats sort of my flaw. That noted, Elonka knows what she is doing and she is making sure all this stuff gets squared away from my observation yesterday. In other words Phreaknic is back
14:15 <@benthemeek> _NSAKEY: They (the MMH) might even actually give us a much better contract if we specify it correctly next time
14:15 < aestetix> Jus how badly did Skydog fuck it up?
14:15 < aestetix> Is he why PN moved to a new hotel?
14:15 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: you will NOT get a good deal out the maxwell house
14:16 <@Evilpig> they have no reason to give you a good deal.  they want groups that sell out lots of rooms
14:16 <@benthemeek> They had two ball rooms standing empty last year though
14:16 <@Evilpig> and?  they don't care.  they want top dollar for their space
14:16 <@Dagmar> Dude there's a reason hotels let rooms go empty
14:17 <@benthemeek> but noone is committed to them, I am just saying I dont think they can be entirely blaimed for the wording of the contract
14:17 <@Dagmar> "Demand-based pricing" is not a thing hotels believe in when it means lowering prices
14:17 <@Evilpig> We brought business to the days inn on weekends when they wouldn't normally have it.  that's why they gave us good rates
14:17 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: yes they can
14:17 <@Dagmar> Also, there's not really enough hookers in town to fill that place
14:17 <@Evilpig> they took advantage of the situation
14:17 <@Evilpig> they knew damn well what they were doing
14:17 <@Evilpig> I knew enough to question the terms and did so.  
14:18 <@benthemeek> The days inn (which is actually something else now) was being discussed yesterday as a place to go back to as well
14:18 <@Evilpig> it's a clarion
14:18 <@Dagmar> Never ever say "Summercon" to them
14:18 <@Dagmar> Not even once.
14:18 <@Evilpig> and the area there is still shit, we didn;t leave there because of the state of the hotel.  we left because the area was shit
14:18 <@benthemeek> I thought it was an arguement about cleaning feews
14:18 <@benthemeek> fees*
14:18 <@Evilpig> no
14:19 < aestetix> Evilpig: did it get worse over time?
14:19 <@benthemeek> Well that is not the information Elonka was given yesterday
14:19 <@Evilpig> we could get similar space in a much better area for the same price
14:19 <@benthemeek> you might want to talk to her, or i will tell her you have more information about that
14:19 <@Evilpig> she doesn't want to hear from me.  i'm uncivil.
14:20 <@benthemeek> I am sure you can be civil talking to Elonka :P
14:20 <@benthemeek> Shes just trying to get to the bottom of everything and know the truth
14:20 <@Evilpig> between notlarry and myself we talked to more than a dozen hotels and the problem is most people don't have enough conference space to fit us
14:20 <@Evilpig> when they did have enough most of them wanted shitloads of money
14:21 <@Evilpig> the few spots that had both the space and the price were right were very rare.
14:21 <@Evilpig> once we had a few of those we looked at the areas.  the boro won for having half a dozen food places in _walking_ distance
14:22 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: you want to send it to her
14:22 <@Evilpig> Uploading (59.0KiB)...
14:22 <@Evilpig> http://ur1.ca/jorba -> http://paste.fedoraproject.org/183448/09755142
14:22 <@Evilpig> there ya go
14:22 < PigBot`> Title: #183448 Fedora Project Pastebin (at ur1.ca)
14:29 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: today is your old day?
14:31 <@Dagmar> Cutting who?
14:33 <@Evilpig> cutting?  facebook said you're old today
14:36 <@Dagmar> Sure, I'll make you bleed
14:52 < aestetix> Dagmar: how old are you? 22?
14:52 <@Dagmar> God
14:53 <@Dagmar> I asked someone on Craigslist "What state is the phone in?"
14:53 <@Dagmar> "Tennessee"
14:53 < dfused> lmao
14:53 <@Evilpig> that is a logical answer
14:53 <@Dagmar> Yeah I know it too
14:53 <@Evilpig> I was thinking "working" but heh
14:53 <@Dagmar> I just clarified and apologized for being unclear
14:54 <@Evilpig> the amazon app is kinda nice sometimes
14:54 <@Evilpig> "your package was delivered"
14:54 <@Evilpig> I have new toothbrushes waiting at home. heh
14:55 < dfused> excited?
14:56 <@Evilpig> i am
15:04 <@Dagmar> Damn these people and their white phones
15:05 <@Dagmar> For some reason this guy's phone also had a "no SIM card detected" showing on the display, which I find _suspicious_ for a CDMA phone
15:11 < aestetix> Evilpig: you know you lead a boring life when new toothbrushes excites you :p
15:18 < dfused> nah...mebbe he just has a tooth fetish.... you never know
15:20 <@Dolemite> I did find a rather large folder on his fileserver called 'Bucktoothed Midget Tranny'.
15:20 <@Dolemite> I assumed it was a family photo album
15:20 <@Dolemite> :)
15:20 <@Dolemite> y
15:21 < dfused> lol
15:22 <@benthemeek> Dude. The Vandy linux job was hirting at 70K a year? I thought it was much lower pay than that
15:22 <@Dolemite> That's about right for med center
15:22 <@Dolemite> definitely higher than they were paying for university
15:23 < aestetix> wow
15:23 < aestetix> I kind of wish I lived in Nashville.
15:27 <@benthemeek> :D
15:27  * benthemeek makes a prophecy
15:27 <@benthemeek> "Phreaknic is going kick-ass this year"
15:31 <@Dagmar> They've apparently learned they can't keep people at less than that
15:31 <@Dagmar> ...which is what they were paying me.
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15:39 <@Dagmar> ...and it can't really be said that that's about right for the Medical Center since it was the under the Medical Canter when they played their little game and "lost the paperwork" for the interim raise to $68, and then gave me $68 after the reorg/reassessment.
15:41 <@Dagmar> Yes, fuck those people.
15:42 <@benthemeek> ack. I fubarred the directory structure so the nashville2600 site isnt up yet as the minutes claim
15:43 <@benthemeek> I will go try and fix it
15:43 <@Bahhumbug> I is confused.  Since when does postgresql need to be recompiled to read past version'd data?
15:43 <@benthemeek> its so old the newer engines wont run it
15:43 <@benthemeek> like 8.1 version or something
15:44 < _NSAKEY> Bahhumbug: I'm confused about that as well.
15:44 <@benthemeek> that conversation was taking place in another room I am not sure on the version numbers
15:44 <@Dagmar> ...when you don't store your archives as serialized data.
15:44 < _NSAKEY> I'm not picking at the board/officers, but can't you just convert something like that to .csv and then do whatever you want with it?
15:44 <@benthemeek> No its a binary structure or something
15:45 <@benthemeek> Tilghman worked on it for quite a while yesterday
15:45 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: So are Microsoft Access files, and mdbtools converts those to plaintext rather nicely.
15:45 <@benthemeek> We need a postgres version that is like 8 years old or something to even import it
15:46 <@benthemeek> I defer to tilghman for questions on it. I really dont know the problem, but he tends to know what he is doing so I think its legit
15:46 < aestetix> GOD FUCKING DAMNIT
15:46 < aestetix> WHY DOES THIS SHIT KEEP COMING UP
15:46 < aestetix> http://calacanis.com/2015/02/06/twitter-can-solve-harassment-right-now-with-verified-accounts/#more-34203
15:46 < PigBot`> Title: Twitter can solve harassment right now with verified accounts | Calacanis.com (at calacanis.com)
15:47 <@Dagmar> Because people are stupid
15:47 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Because silicon valley runs on targeted advertising and the husks of broken dreams?
15:47 <@Dagmar> ...and some of them are shills.
15:49 <@Bahhumbug> Because you still give a shit about twitter.
15:54 < CRasH180> I must say, it is very rude for someone to say they are going to call you for an interview and then, not show up. Especially where there are two people that are supposed to be on the phone call.
15:55 <@Evilpig> two other people?  or just you and said ass that didn't shwo?
15:55 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Yeah, like the Pando people and their anti-tor pieces. They don't like it when their funding sources are brought up.
15:56 <@Evilpig> "such as setting up an email group so that
15:56 <@Evilpig> communications from vendors go to more than one person" 
15:56 <@Evilpig> you mean like I had set up and the current dipshits refused to use it?!
15:57 <@Evilpig> It's almost like someone was running around in there with a cluebat
15:58 < CRasH180> pretty much
15:58 < CRasH180> Well, the interviewers did not call me
15:58 < CRasH180> There are supposed to be the Manager and their Lead person on the call
15:59 < CRasH180> No one has called me yet
15:59 <@Evilpig> the dremel just isn't happy trying to go through this aluminum block.  .375" is just a little thick for it
16:19 < aestetix> http://thedoghousediaries.com/5964
16:19 < PigBot`> Title: DOGHOUSE | The Only Naming Convention That Works (at thedoghousediaries.com)
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16:53 <@benthemeek> waiting for dns propagation....
16:53 <@benthemeek> then both www and minus should work
16:54 <@benthemeek> it still not totally right, but I think elonka wants progress and almost done is better than none at all
16:54 <@benthemeek> so I will try and finish it up
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17:44 <@Dagmar> next time drop the negative lookup value in advance
17:49 <@Bahhumbug> benthemeek: Assuming you removed install.php
17:51 <@Dagmar> I'm willing to assume he'll remember to do that for at least ten years
17:57 < RangerZ1> there is no php on the site
17:58 < RangerZ1> pure HTML
17:58 < RangerZ1> well... thats not 'quite' true...
17:58 < RangerZ1> there is JS and maybe even CSS
17:58 < RangerZ1> lol
18:02 <@Dagmar> The play store makes no sense to me anymore
18:02 <@Dagmar> FUck it.  >8,000 compatible devices again
18:02 < RangerZ1> did it go up?
18:02 < RangerZ1> isn't that a -good- thing?
18:04 <@Dagmar> Yes, but it's a matter of _when_
18:05 <@Dagmar> If you promote a package from alpha/beta to prod, it goes through a second validation cycle
18:05 <@Dagmar> If you change a few words in your description or add a screenshot, _they_ go through a validation cycle
18:05 <@Dagmar> ...and there appears to be no way to keep them in _sync_
18:07 < RangerZ1> why would you want to do that?
18:07 < RangerZ1> psh
18:07 < RangerZ1> lol
18:08 <@Dagmar> Honestly, I think they should let us control that gate... even if it means accepting an agreement that says "yes we know it might take 30 minutes to replicate world-wide"
18:09 <@Dagmar> Man I got a bunch of peoplw with that Daryl troll.  :)
18:09 <@Dagmar> "I saw this last night and nearly got pissed as fuck... Then I remembered who was typing. I hope this made for an early birthday present for yourself."
18:09 <@Dagmar> wheeee!
18:12 < RangerZ1> huh?
18:12 < RangerZ1> I might have missed what you did
18:16 <@Dagmar> Last night... a little bit before The Walking Dead started the new season up, I posted this to my Facebook feed.
18:16 <@Dagmar> "Man... I can't believe they killed off Daryl."
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18:17 <@Dagmar> Damn Bob Mould tore it up on Letterman
18:18 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: lol
18:19 <@Dagmar> I went straight for the jugular with that one
18:19 <@Dagmar> There's literally no way they'd kill Daryl Dixon off without warning
18:19 <@Dagmar> The producers don't want to get firebombed by angry fans.
18:20 <@Dagmar> Unsuprisingly, the Kwik-Lube didn't have the type of oil filter my car needs so I'm goin' back tomorrow
18:21 <@Dagmar> I sat down to look into whether or not they'd need to change the CVT lubricant and saw someone talking about changing their oil
18:21 <@Evilpig> overheard at tumblr  "body art and soul has some interesting designs. do i want a cat butt on me forever? perhaps."
18:21 <@Dagmar> Two people in the forum thread were all "I've never seen a filter like that before..."
18:26 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: does your Aston Martin Cygnet even have a normal Oil Filter?
18:26 < RangerZ1> I figured it ran on fairy dust and the tears of young trolls
18:27 < RangerZ1> lol
18:33 < aestetix> hi
18:44 <@Dagmar> It looks like some kind of play-doh icing nozzle
18:47 < RangerZ1> i see what you did there....
18:47 < RangerZ1> 14.1lb baby born in FL
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18:54 < RangerZ1> oddball: .... I blame you
18:54 < RangerZ1> not sure why...
18:55 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cSzw9eUZOs
18:55 < PigBot`> Title: Apache Vs. Dragon: Who Would Win? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:55 < RangerZ1> from... [Smithsonian Channel]
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22:07 < aestetix> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/charles-manson-wedding-off-after-it-emerges-that-girlfriend-afton-elaine-burton-just-wanted-his-corpse-for-display-10034793.html
22:11 < dfused> I'm making fudge
22:16 <@Evilpig> dfused: do you need to be excused to change your shorts?
22:16 < dfused> hah
22:16 < dfused> using organic cocoa powder too
22:16 < dfused> and pecans
22:16 < aestetix> wow
22:16 < aestetix> http://youtu.be/fuXEbnbF2WQ
22:16 < dfused> nom nom
22:16 < PigBot`> Title: VIDEO WATCH A GIRL GETTING A TATTOO ON HER ASSHOLE 18+ - YouTube (at youtu.be)
22:16 < aestetix> nsfw
22:17 < aestetix> I guess from the title the nsfw is self-evident
22:17 < dfused> doesnt hurt to be clear though
22:19 < aestetix> It takes a while to heal from getting a tattoo right?
22:22 < dfused> indeed
22:23 < aestetix> like wouldn't it hurt for her to take a shit for the next 48 hours?
22:23 < dfused> maybe she's used to her ass being sore
22:24 <@Bahhumbug> So's aestetix's mom.
22:24 < dfused> ^
22:33 <@Evilpig> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elanlee/exploding-kittens/posts/1131038?ref=backer_project_update
22:33 < PigBot`> Title: Exploding Kittens by Elan Lee Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com)
22:34 <@Evilpig> "thumb cutty-outty thing"
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22:52 <@SuMo_D> ello all
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