--- Log opened Fri Feb 06 00:00:24 2015 00:19 <@Dagmar> Okay. I'm officially unimpressed with Agent Carter 00:19 <@Dagmar> Casually cracking a _one time pad_ encrypted message, becuase the original message is _in Russian_ 00:19 <@Dagmar> A one time pad. 00:20 <@Dagmar> *eyeroll* 00:21 <@Dagmar> Can't wait to hear what Elonka says about something like that 01:39 < aestetix> Dagmar: on the plus side, Elonka will quickly call bullshit on anything that *is* bullshit. 01:45 <@Dagmar> Oh I just think she'll find such a gaffe hilarious 01:45 <@Dagmar> A proper OTP implementation is effectively uncrackable 01:46 < aestetix> who is agent carter? 01:46 <@Dagmar> It's a spinff of Agents of SHIELD 01:46 < aestetix> uhh..... what is that :p 01:46 <@Dagmar> ...focusing on the female agent that was close friends with Captain America. 01:46 < aestetix> ohhh ok 01:48 <@Dagmar> Agents of SHIELD had equally weak technical verbiage when it came to networking 02:49 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Apparently leveraging appWidgetManager.partiallyUpdateAppWidget is *considerably* more complex than it at first appears 02:50 * Dagmar sees a light bulb flicker slightly overhead. 03:00 <@Dagmar> Hmm... It *seems* to be working now 03:00 <@Dagmar> The docs say the call will be ignored if you've never called updateAppWidget on the RemoteView objecet 03:01 <@Dagmar> This appears to be entirely true because when I just swapped partiallyUpdateAppWidget for updateAppWidget, what I got was basically a dead widget that did nothing 03:02 <@Dagmar> HOWEVER, using a second canary called firstRun (and an SDK version check of course) so that updateAppWidget is called up front it _appears_ to be working 03:29 < RangerZ> so... this amuses me... 03:29 < RangerZ> http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/jersey-gov-chris-christie-criminal-investigation/story?id=28753740 03:29 < PigBot`> Title: New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie's Administration Facing New Criminal Investigation - ABC News (at abcnews.go.com) 03:30 < RangerZ> b/c the title alone isn't enough.. they need a number tracker of WHICH time Christie's Criminal Investigation... 03:30 < RangerZ> 28753749... apparently 03:30 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: What I really don't like is that it works... but now I know something else that makes me wonder WHY the hell it works 03:30 < RangerZ> huh? 03:31 <@Dagmar> See also http://karim-ouda.blogspot.com/2013/07/android-widget-views-not-loadedempty.html 03:31 < PigBot`> Title: Android Widget Views not loaded/empty after changing screen orientation (at karim-ouda.blogspot.com) 03:32 <@Dagmar> So, apparently the View caches the last REmoteview object it was given, which is why the thing would merrily revert to default after an orientation change... because the widget would be destroyed and rebuilt based on the last invocation of updateAppWidget containing the RemoteView that only contained a partial update 03:32 <@Dagmar> ...at least when I was trying to careful only dork with part of the REmoteView 03:33 < RangerZ> ahh 03:33 <@Dagmar> Soo... I understand why I had to build the _entire_ RemoteView each time to avoid that 03:33 <@Dagmar> ...or rather to avoid it breaking things 03:34 <@Dagmar> ...but I am now wondering... if it's not caching the information and I do an orientation change... why it doesn't just NPE and give me the finger 03:35 <@Dagmar> MAYBE if I'm lucky I will be able to put all the caching I had in it originally back into place 03:38 <@Dagmar> Either my understanding of this call is still incomplete, or the function is really useless for widgets 03:39 <@Dagmar> It may force an UPDATE_APPWIDGET signal on orientation change... I dunno 03:39 <@Dagmar> I'll have to sprinkle in anotehr set of log statements to find out 03:41 < RangerZ> Dagmar: check out logback 03:41 < RangerZ> it allows you to make an XML file (or via code) in the assets folder 03:41 < RangerZ> and have THAT determine logging levels 03:42 <@Dagmar> That I don't need 03:42 < RangerZ> so you can just put logs everywhere, and any adjust on the fly 03:42 <@Dagmar> I've just been removing my log statements after I'm done with them so I don't wind up with a flood of old ones 03:42 < RangerZ> and non-logged calls are substituted with no-op method calls at run time, so runtime perf. hit is very minimal 03:43 <@Dagmar> If I build with the releast target, it's supposed to simply not build them in 03:43 <@Dagmar> er release 03:43 <@Dagmar> I don't need extra configurability. I just need to be less anal 03:44 <@Dagmar> Log.d works pretty much like syslog, which is all I need 03:48 <@Dagmar> I'll just let the thing run on my phone overnight and see if there's a notable increase in power consumption of some kind 03:50 < RangerZ> damn... aestetix you're famous... he mentioned you by name... 03:50 < RangerZ> https://secure.marketwatch.com/story/twitter-ceo-says-company-losing-users-because-of-trolls-2015-02-05 03:50 < PigBot`> Title: Twitter CEO says company losing users because of trolls - The Wall Street Journal - MarketWatch (at secure.marketwatch.com) 03:51 < RangerZ> ;) 03:54 < RangerZ> I actually think we're about to see a renaissance in moderation tools 03:54 < RangerZ> because I think the biggest failing in social media... is thinking that everyone needs the same tools 03:57 < RangerZ> thats what is wrong with youtube 03:57 < RangerZ> the change to google+ made things worse 03:57 < RangerZ> b/c it allowed long form comments/trolls... without adding power to the channel operator 03:58 < _NSAKEY> The failing of social media was not acccounting for the fact that most people have no business commenting on things. 03:58 < RangerZ> I'm honestly debating disabling comments on my videos... b/c I don't want people leaving inaccurate comments below it 03:58 < RangerZ> youtube in particular (b/c I've been looking) has 3 settings "allow all... block all... and 'moderate' " 03:59 < RangerZ> moderate = I have to manually allow each comment... 03:59 < RangerZ> uhh... what... 03:59 < _NSAKEY> youtube is one of the worst. 03:59 < RangerZ> why can't I 'promote' moderators, etc... 03:59 < _NSAKEY> Things were bad enough when the world had geocities and AIM statuses. 03:59 <@Dagmar> I think if you were operating a slightly different channel you'd be able to do that 04:00 <@Dagmar> er different type of 04:00 < RangerZ> not really 04:00 < RangerZ> I've looked into "professional level controls" for youtube 04:01 < RangerZ> and basically... they don't really exist... 04:01 < RangerZ> lol 04:01 < RangerZ> to the point that I kinda want to make a webpage that acts as an interface for it... 04:03 < RangerZ> the more I look into it... its kinda silly 04:30 -!- InfoSecDog [~user@c-50-155-6-109.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:32 -!- InfoSecDog [~user@c-50-155-6-109.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 04:37 -!- dfused [~dfused@64.203.232.38.dyn-cm-pool-36.pool.hargray.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:26 -!- NotLarry [~NotLarry@c-68-52-43-115.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 05:26 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o NotLarry] by ChanServ 05:38 < RangerZ> http://www.wfsb.com/story/28026950/new-case-of-norovirus-reported-at-opryland-hotel 05:38 < PigBot`> Title: New case of norovirus reported at Opryland Hotel - WFSB 3 Connecticut (at www.wfsb.com) 05:38 < RangerZ> couldn't happen to a nicer hotel... 05:38 < RangerZ> no I mean it... they don't let outbreaks like that happen... 05:38 < RangerZ> hehe 06:34 -!- RangerZ2 [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 06:36 -!- RangerZ1 [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:36 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:52 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 06:56 -!- sasquatc3 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has joined #se2600 06:59 -!- benthemeek [~benthemee@c-98-211-6-177.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:59 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 07:01 -!- benthemeek [~benthemee@c-98-211-6-177.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 07:01 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o benthemeek] by ChanServ 07:19 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: @rhia, @benthemeek, @Shadow404, @EnabrinTain, @ZombieChicken 07:21 -!- Netsplit over, joins: @benthemeek, @rhia, @ZombieChicken, @EnabrinTain, @Shadow404 08:01 <@Evilpig> hrmm. still no response 08:08 < RangerZ> Evilpig: why did 'you' get the bill? 08:09 < RangerZ> last known email? 08:09 <@Evilpig> because I know the vender and have a good relationship with them 08:09 <@Evilpig> so they contacted me in good faith to try to get it paid 08:09 < RangerZ> ahh 08:09 < RangerZ> if nothing by tonight... tell him to send nashville2600 to collections 08:10 < RangerZ> OR corydon personally 08:10 < RangerZ> if he used his own personal bank account 08:20 < RangerZ> nvm... if they 'had' a bank account... they would have already taken the money... (or tried) 08:25 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: oh come on and just release the details, dont be a tease 08:25 <@Evilpig> I'm being semi-responsible 08:25 < RangerZ> Shadow404: thought of you 08:25 < RangerZ> I'm doing a series of videos on an intro guide to latex 08:25 <@Evilpig> but since i'm making this shit up.... mr paranoia is gonna get a serious dose of reality soon 08:26 < RangerZ> LaTeX (proper upper-casing) 08:26 < RangerZ> I half thought of dedicating the video to you in the very last frame of the video only 08:26 < RangerZ> so it 'is there' ... but no one would really catch it... 08:28 <@Shadow404> RangerZ: ah, heh 08:28 <@Shadow404> send me the video, i wanna see it, also for the programming info to 08:28 <@Shadow404> but yeah 08:28 <@Shadow404> mm, latex clad women is my thing 08:29 <@Shadow404> is elonka gonna join irc? 08:29 < RangerZ> I'm just planning it righ tnow 08:29 < RangerZ> will probably be 2~3 videos 08:31 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: or they call the bluff? 08:31 <@Evilpig> fyi tilghman is claiming that he paid the bill via check and the check has cleared. 08:32 <@Shadow404> say you want proff somehow? 08:32 <@Shadow404> *proof 08:32 <@Evilpig> since he didn't tell me directly and I could request proof from him to give to them. I'm mocking it 08:32 < RangerZ> Shadow404: Elonka went looking for the website to find out info about nashville2600 08:32 < RangerZ> and ....couldn't find anything useful... 08:32 < RangerZ> shocker 08:36 <@Shadow404> nice 08:36 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: um, whos mike walker? 08:36 < RangerZ> me 08:36 < RangerZ> lol 08:37 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez! 08:38 <@Dolemite> I just lit up the flamethrower on Eldridge 08:38 <@Dolemite> Because he deserves it 08:38 <@Dolemite> Really, really deserves it 08:38 < RangerZ> thats why I gave such a curt response myself 08:38 <@Evilpig> thank you Dolemite 08:39 <@Evilpig> I just fired back on that one myself as well 08:42 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9UbIWv92BH0 08:42 < RangerZ> hehe 08:42 < PigBot`> Title: Watch the Super Bowl Shark Eat Samuel L Jackson - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 08:42 < RangerZ> b/c you all needed that to lighten the mood ;) 08:42 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: as you are usually my voice of reason. how far should public shaming go? 08:44 <@Shadow404> i love how all the people on the other side of this battle are no longer on irc 08:44 <@Shadow404> ie, dru, corydon, etc 08:44 <@Evilpig> corydon is still here 08:44 <@Evilpig> you can message him whenever you want 08:44 <@Evilpig> /msg corydon76 08:44 <@Shadow404> but not in this channel 08:44 <@Evilpig> /msg corydon76-home 08:50 < RangerZ> Shadow404: don't worry, they read what is typed here *waves* 08:58 <@Shadow404> via who do you think? 08:59 <@Evilpig> eldridge hitting me now trying to say i'm making this shit up 09:00 -!- PeteDaGuru [~PeteDaGur@user-0c99bgh.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #se2600 09:04 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: I'm still waiting on the replies to make it to me. Slow list server is slow. 09:04 <@Shadow404> unless it was a private reply 09:05 <@Evilpig> private 09:05 <@Shadow404> heh 09:05 <@Dolemite> Ah, I thought you replied to the list 09:05 <@Dolemite> I guess I'm the only one in a flaming mood this morning. 09:08 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/pxc053dyc1wpapq/Screen%20Shot%202015-02-06%20at%209.07.40%20AM.png?dl=0 09:08 <@Evilpig> apparently he is responding to a list, where I am responding to him 09:13 <@Dolemite> I'm sad that he hasn't responded to me 09:14 <@Evilpig> you see the cc list there 09:14 <@Evilpig> not one of them is attempting to defuse me 09:14 <@Evilpig> they really do want me to go off. 09:15 <@Dolemite> Yes, because if you go off, they will be able to once again state that they can't work with you because you are too volatile. They want to garner sympathy from the crowd. 09:20 <@Evilpig> i'll be calling francis here shortly to see if one of them reached out to clear this supposedly paid bill up 09:20 < RangerZ> Evilpig: its a passive aggressive strategy to gain support for yourself 09:20 < RangerZ> make the other person look bad 09:20 < RangerZ> etc 09:21 <@Evilpig> I'll play their game, I don't care at this point. i still have an ace or two in the hole 09:23 <@Dolemite> No, no. Let me be the flamethrower. It's more effective when you're not the only one raging. 09:23 <@Evilpig> but I have two really good ones ready 09:24 <@Evilpig> there's 1 09:24 <@Dolemite> Well you typically vet them through me, anyway, so I'll let you know if you should spread the flamethrower love 09:24 <@Evilpig> I call that one the last straw 09:25 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:27 <@Dolemite> bbl - meeting 09:46 <@Evilpig> eldredge making excuses "Well, part of the delay was waiting for you to give more details. Until today, you never stated who the bill was from, or what it was for." 09:46 <@Evilpig> Why would I publicly give that information out?! I'm sorry I am still operating as I am a sane responsible person despite the picture that you have allowed dru to paint over myself in my absence. 09:48 <@benthemeek> Okay can I just say that deciding to not use the SE2600 list is bullshit 09:49 <@benthemeek> I mean us officers 09:49 <@benthemeek> I am tired of this noncommunication crap 09:49 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: that's a neat trick paying a bill before it has been generated 09:49 <@benthemeek> I am very very pissed off right now 09:49 <@Evilpig> deciding that all that business will be conducted on a list where not everyone can respond is a bit of a problem 09:50 <@oddball> benthemeek: welcome to the club 09:50 <@benthemeek> Thats is further to my point 09:50 <@Evilpig> that's saying we want your input but are making sure you can only repeat what we want to hear 09:50 <@benthemeek> there is no need for secrecy! we have nothing to hide and silence just makes it seem like we do 09:50 <@benthemeek> I do not understand 09:50 <@Dolemite> I'm happy that benthemeek replied to the email that I had sent 09:51 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: you have something to hide, that's the part you need to wrap your head around 09:51 <@Evilpig> you may not realize it, but someone does 09:51 <@benthemeek> but i wont air all my dirty laundry about the people I helped elect.. 09:51 <@benthemeek> *sigh* 09:51 <@benthemeek> No really, tilghman says tshirt invoice is paid 09:51 <@Evilpig> the invoice was generated AFTER THE CON 09:52 <@Evilpig> https://www.dropbox.com/s/tro46nb5fr42d7l/Screen%20Shot%202015-02-05%20at%206.48.00%20PM.png?dl=0 09:52 <@Evilpig> a full week after the con 09:52 <@benthemeek> Well someone is confused or mistaken Tilghman or Diane 09:52 <@benthemeek> anyway we will get to the bottom of it 09:53 <@Evilpig> I will be calling diane here shortly with the current accusation i've been told. however without any form of proof I still side with her 09:53 <@benthemeek> however *I* know that responding to you would quiet this down. Silence is BS 09:53 <@benthemeek> again I am very annoyed 09:53 <@benthemeek> Let us call her 09:53 <@Evilpig> it's crazy that a simple yes it was paid or "thanks for the notice we'll get it handled" would have prevented all of this 09:53 <@benthemeek> Tilghman can at least check the financials 09:53 <@Evilpig> they called me, I assured them i would make contact 09:54 <@Evilpig> I shouldn't, wouldn't have been contacted if tilghman would have responded to any of their other requests 09:54 <@Evilpig> lemme rephrase that 09:54 <@Evilpig> I WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CALLED IF TILGHMAN WOULD HAVE ANSWERED THEIR PREVIOUS REQUESTS 09:55 <@Evilpig> are we on the same page now? 09:55 <@benthemeek> okay well its a free country you can call her, but at this point I think we need to talk to Tilghman face to face and get facts straight before any more conjecture. 09:55 <@benthemeek> I am hearing from Dru that it is paid not Tilghman yet 09:56 <@Evilpig> I agree you should get some facts straight and be getting to the bottom of it 09:56 <@Evilpig> I'm not a part of the organization and have not heard from the financially responsible party of that organization 09:56 <@benthemeek> Right, so I and john are just reporting rumors until we hear it from the horse's mouth 09:57 <@Dolemite> They supposedly sent a snail mail bill to the PO Box 09:57 <@Evilpig> not the PO box 09:57 <@Evilpig> tilghman's house 09:57 <@Evilpig> that's the address they have on file 09:57 <@Dolemite> Ah, right 09:57 <@Evilpig> see link above 09:57 <@Evilpig> I'm sure they sent notice at 30 and 60 days 09:58 <@Evilpig> they also emailed it, supposedly, to his email address 09:58 <@Dolemite> I wouldn't know how they operated. I tended to pay them the week after the con was over. 09:58 <@Evilpig> tilghman@meg.abyt.es 09:58 <@Evilpig> that is the address she read me over the phone as having sent the email to 09:58 <@Evilpig> digging my number up was a last resort 09:58 <@benthemeek> I am mystified by this. If its true I would think we (officers) would of heard about it by now 09:59 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: as far as spreading rumors and misinformation that is the M.O. of the current officer set, is it not? 09:59 <@Evilpig> no offense to you personally but it is what it is 10:02 <@benthemeek> I cant speak for anyone else. I have only ever tried to say what I know or am told. 10:03 <@benthemeek> I feel like me getting worked up about all of this is probaly not good until I am actually sitting across from the people that need to be talking about it. So I will withhold my judgement until after the meeting 10:03 <@Evilpig> if you said what you were told, then I don't answer emails, I didn't hand over the domains, etc 10:16 <@Evilpig> damnit. there are three movies today i'm interested in. Spongebob, Jupiter Ascending, Seventh Son 10:18 <@Evilpig> in other words it's a choice between... spongebob... mila kunis... and... jeff bridges 10:21 <@Mirage> Evilpig: We all know you're going to decide on Mila...don't fight it. 10:22 <@Evilpig> but jeff.... 10:22 <@Evilpig> he's talking with a horrible accent and swinging a sword 10:22 <@Dolemite> The Dude in a Gandalfish role... definitely a must-see 10:22 <@oddball> You know... you don't have to watch a movie the *day* it comes out. 10:23 <@Dolemite> I rarely do 10:23 <@Dolemite> I'm too old and curmudgeonly to put up with the ass hats that talk and text during movies, which seems to happen more often on opening night 10:23 <@Dolemite> Plus crowds suck 10:24 <@Evilpig> oddball: but today is friday, and I goto the movies on friday after all team 10:24 <@Evilpig> I generally get matinee pricing and the theater is mostly empty 10:25 <@oddball> gotcha 10:26 <@oddball> They still have matinee pricing? Last I checked around here, you had to catch the noon showing to get that. 10:26 <@Evilpig> before 3 you get matinee pricing 10:26 <@Evilpig> and i'm going between 1 and 2 10:31 <@Evilpig> I am kinda leaning toward jeff but i know it's gonna be bad 10:34 <@Dolemite> I'm anxious to see how Sean Bean's character gets killed 10:35 <@Dolemite> You KNOW it's going to happen. His character always dies. 10:36 <@Evilpig> I kinda want to see spongebob too though cause it looks hilarious 10:36 <@Dolemite> I'm going to take 2.0 to see that one 10:41 < aestetix> lol 10:41 <@Evilpig> oddball: just so you can call me bad names and shake your head at me. https://www.dropbox.com/s/qkf4sgg9rwis7x6/Screen%20Shot%202015-02-06%20at%2010.41.01%20AM.png?dl=0 10:41 < aestetix> all Elonka had to give for a bio is "My name is Elonka Dunin" and she'd be automaticallly made president 10:42 <@oddball> Evilpig: I'll shake my head at you... you've spent, what, $1000 on $5 worth of popcorn? :p 10:43 <@Evilpig> iirc points are accmulated at $1 per 10:45 -!- dfused [~dfused@64.203.232.38.dyn-cm-pool-36.pool.hargray.net] has joined #se2600 10:46 <@Dolemite> I should register my crown card online. I didn't realize you could now see your status there. 10:46 <@oddball> Ah, so you have to spend $3200 before they'll give you a free bag of popcorn? Such value! 10:46 <@Dolemite> They have some movies that give bonus points 10:46 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: they've recently added it 10:46 <@Dolemite> and I think Tuesdays are 2x point days 10:47 <@Evilpig> I always go on friday's though. the worst day for free shit 10:47 <@Evilpig> is tuesday still $1 candy day? 10:48 <@Dolemite> I don't remember. We usually sneak some in our pockets and just buy drinks. 10:49 <@Evilpig> my regal up here will give you jalepenos for nachos but they don't advertise it. I get teh funniest looks sometimes when I ask for them 10:49 <@Evilpig> they take one of the clear water cups and bring it back full 10:51 <@benthemeek> Elonka has been to Antartica? I have to hear that story 10:51 <@oddball> Someone's decided to go for parent of the decade: http://fox2now.com/2015/02/06/police-6-year-old-boy-kidnapped-for-being-too-nice-to-strangers/ 10:51 < PigBot`> Title: Police: 6-year-old boy kidnapped for being too nice to strangers | FOX2now.com (at fox2now.com) 10:51 -!- Genphlux [~Genphlux@adsl-98-66-38-122.mem.bellsouth.net] has joined #se2600 11:02 <@Evilpig> http://1.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/18/87/10bb2414a544ab1e529d8155a92d60f3.jpg 11:03 <@Evilpig> for you pokemon types 11:10 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@DHCP-129-59-122-54.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has joined #se2600 11:12 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: are you around or in a meeting? 11:18 < RangerZ> got out of the Hart Ln DMV in under 1.5hrs... 11:18 < RangerZ> I'm going to consider that a victory.... sadly... 11:20 < aestetix> penis 11:20 < Synx|hm> i need a bash guru 11:20 < aestetix> Synx|hm: what in bash 11:22 < Synx|hm> im pipeing data into a while read $data 11:22 < Synx|hm> basically like this... 11:23 < Synx|hm> echo 'blah blah blah' foo bar | while read data; do bashfunction; done 11:24 <@Evilpig> where is the data coming from? 11:25 <@Mirage> Elonka failed to mention that she also has an affinity for questionable anime. That would definitely get her some votes. 11:26 * Mirage still has fond memories of Jeff Wee Eng's shock and horror at her requests for the anime room. 11:27 <@Evilpig> I'm thinking dolemite should respond to eldredge with something along the lines of he's not campaigning for a seat he already holds. if that isn't enough of an excuse to not have him on the board then perhaps his signing off on the agreement that lost so much money demonstates he does not have nashville 2600's interests at heart as well 11:38 < aestetix> Why not just make nashville 2600 a dictatorship 11:39 <@Evilpig> insane dictators 11:39 < aestetix> elonka for dictator 11:40 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: to further push my point. I just talked to francis and they have not been contacted by anyone from the organization in an attempt to clear it up 11:40 <@Dagmar> Seriously, people? 11:40 <@Dagmar> Elonka just isn't cut out to be a dictator, and frankly, I'm a little offended. 11:40 < aestetix> Then I'll be vice-dictator 12:00 <@Dagmar> Hell, I even have the proper boots for the job 12:02 <@Dagmar> lol okay clearly it's adb that's making my phone reboot 12:03 <@Dagmar> Thing ran all night without an issue... I just plugged it into the USB cable and withing 30 seconds... blank-screen... bzzt. 12:20 -!- _specialk_ [~specialk@unaffiliated/specialk/x-2811995] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:21 -!- _specialk_ [~specialk@nacho.whatbox.ca] has joined #se2600 12:21 -!- _specialk_ [~specialk@nacho.whatbox.ca] has quit [Changing host] 12:21 -!- _specialk_ [~specialk@unaffiliated/specialk/x-2811995] has joined #se2600 12:25 < RangerZ> Dagmar: try plugging it into a different comptuer 12:25 < RangerZ> computer* even 12:25 < RangerZ> make sure it isn't something with the battery/etc 12:37 <@Evilpig> left shark is a thing 12:41 < RangerZ> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/02/06/1325258/uks-most-secretive-court-rules-gchq-mass-internet-surveillance-was-unlawful 12:41 < PigBot`> Title: UK's Most Secretive Court Rules GCHQ Mass Internet Surveillance Was Unlawful - Slashdot (at yro.slashdot.org) 12:41 < RangerZ> gotta give them retroactive immunity STAT 12:43 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Nah, I'm sure it's not the USB cable or the USB switch 12:43 < RangerZ> ahh ok 12:43 <@Dagmar> Man... Some people... 12:43 < RangerZ> ...need a big hug at tonight's meeting... ? 12:44 <@Dagmar> This dude on Reddit posts a pic of his "girlfriend" posing next to a human-sized gameboy (formerly used in a gaming store display) wearing Tetris leggins... 12:44 <@Dagmar> His "girlfriend". 12:44 <@Dagmar> Dumbass. 12:45 < RangerZ> ok? 12:45 <@Dagmar> That should be "fiance". 12:45 < RangerZ> ahh 12:45 < RangerZ> yeah... I wondered where you were going with that one 12:45 <@Dagmar> She apparently bought the thing for him 12:46 < RangerZ> ->Wife 12:46 <@Dagmar> I had to post on that one 12:46 <@Dagmar> She's adorable, and has no problem with geeky gamer stuff? Pffft. 12:46 <@Dagmar> Kids these days. 12:47 <@Dagmar> I told him if you've not been pricing rings already, you're a fool. 12:47 < Synx|hm> Evilpig, aestetix: sorry i got dragged away 12:47 < Synx|hm> back to my bash issue 12:48 <@Dagmar> Oooh shell scripting is way easier than Java 12:48 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: don't bash her over the head 12:48 < RangerZ> thats not nice 12:48 < Synx|hm> so... echo 'blah with spaces' foo bar | while read data; do bashfunctioncall $data; done 12:48 <@Dagmar> IFS, dude. 12:48 < Synx|hm> in my function i attempt to echo $1 then $2 then $3 12:48 < Synx|hm> however because that first element has spaces its not working as expected 12:48 <@Dagmar> Yes, you need to change IFS. 12:49 < Synx|hm> time to google FIS 12:49 < Synx|hm> IFS 12:49 <@Dagmar> Also, why the fuck are you using echo, exactly? 12:49 < Synx|hm> just the example 12:49 < Synx|hm> im testing this out before i accidently rm -rf /* 12:49 <@Dagmar> for varname in "IFS-separated list of items"; do blerp; done 12:49 < Synx|hm> its goig to be hardlinking folders all over the place 12:49 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: ask benthemeek how that works 12:49 <@Dagmar> Okay that's just crazy talk 12:50 < Synx|hm> err not folders 12:50 < Synx|hm> but files ha 12:51 < Synx|hm> wait what the hell is IFS 12:51 <@Dagmar> Anyhoo... IFS is information field separator. 12:51 <@Dagmar> Probably. I know the last two words are right. 12:51 < Synx|hm> heres the catch i have ZERO control over what gets piped into that while loop 12:51 <@Dagmar> If you are trying to avoid having it break the thing up on the spaces, you need to just change IFS to something that is actually your field separator 12:52 < Synx|hm> it should be a shell compliant list seperated by spaces and if the field has its own spaces then inclosed in single quotes 12:52 < Synx|hm> so 'blah with space' item2 item3 12:52 < Synx|hm> only output i am able to work with 12:53 <@Dagmar> If your input has no _unique_ field separator, you are done. the task is impossible. 12:53 < Synx|hm> its escaped like normal shell output though it puts single quotes around the longer fields with spaces 12:54 <@Dagmar> ...or you need to make sure your copy of bash was compiled with libpsychic support. 12:54 < Synx|hm> shouldnt bash know how to deal with that 12:54 < Synx|hm> haha 12:54 < Synx|hm> guy who wrote the software im using is a prick and would only say "dude if you do | while read data" you keep that entire data chunk together then pass it to bash function call it will work 12:54 <@Dagmar> You're using read. 12:55 <@Dagmar> Lemme actulaly drink some of this caffiene here 12:56 <@Dagmar> Allow me to make this simpler for you then... use the word "line" as your variable 12:56 < Synx|hm> thanks consider me a bash scripting newb 12:56 < RangerZ> s/bash scripting// 12:57 < RangerZ> ;) 12:57 <@Dagmar> ...as in echo -e 'foo bar blah\n derp' | while read line; do echo $line; done 12:57 <@Dagmar> ...because read looks for whole lines 12:57 <@Dagmar> I thought you were dealing with a whitespace-separated list of inputs 12:58 < Synx|hm> i am 12:58 < Synx|hm> i think? 12:58 <@Dagmar> Then read is not going to be your friend 12:58 <@Dagmar> ...and your problem remains... 12:58 < Synx|hm> i need to take 'spaces make my head hurt' arg2 arg3 12:58 < Synx|hm> and pull out $1 $2 and $3 as seperate usable arguments 12:59 < RangerZ> then pull the lines 12:59 < RangerZ> and then split them 12:59 < Synx|hm> like split then on the ' delimiter? 12:59 <@Dagmar> for item in "foo\ bar bar baz"; do echo $item; done <-- does not work 12:59 <@Dagmar> for item in foo\ bar bar baz; do echo $item; done <-- DOES work 13:00 < Synx|hm> oh snap 13:00 <@Dagmar> The only difference between single-quotes and double-quotes is that single-quotes tell bash it can skip the variable interpolation step 13:00 < Synx|hm> so i think this tool is properly escaping the shell output so it likely has a \ in it 13:00 < Synx|hm> how can i tell for sure? 13:00 < Synx|hm> i cant see the escaped chars in shell when i run it 13:00 <@Dagmar> Beat the person giving you the input with a cudgel 13:00 < Synx|hm> ha 13:01 <@Dagmar> They have set you up to fail 13:01 <@Dagmar> There might be a way to make this work still tho 13:01 <@Dagmar> Is this stuff being handed to you through an actual filehandle like STDIN or are you getting it as a variable? 13:02 < Synx|hm> as a test how i can i echo back to the shell and show the escaped chars to see if its there 13:02 < Synx|hm> stdout 13:02 <@Dagmar> Oh, okay 13:02 < Synx|hm> programthatblowsballs -random shitty argument | do while fuck my life 13:03 < Synx|hm> if i knew python i could just pull it out of lib calls 13:03 <@Dagmar> The tool just needs to output a line-separated list 13:04 <@Dagmar> Period. 13:04 <@Dagmar> This is, as far as I know, an inarguable point. 13:04 <@Dagmar> Lemme try a few really dumb things over here while the caffiene scrubs the sleep out of my brain 13:05 < Synx|hm> heres the problem 13:05 <@Dagmar> ...becuase I'm smelling disaster if the input has say, a filename called "`rm -f /; echo fuckya`" in it 13:05 < Synx|hm> tool outputs many lines, but each line has 3 sets of data that is only related to that specific line 13:05 < Synx|hm> haha 13:05 <@Dagmar> ...or, more likely, a fucking ampersand because mac users. 13:06 < Synx|hm> heres an example output 13:06 <@Dagmar> It's not without reason that find has a -print0 option 13:06 < Synx|hm> actually i think this tool has that option too 13:07 <@Dagmar> It's because filenames on unix may freely contain any damn character under the sun, except null. 13:07 <@Dagmar> ...and you are playing with fire if you don't make use of that. 13:07 <@Dagmar> Just be glad the variable interpolation step only happens once. 13:08 < Synx|hm> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=pgGmETfu 13:08 <@Dagmar> That's tab-separated by the look of it. 13:08 <@Dagmar> Correct? 13:08 < Synx|hm> no clue 13:09 < Synx|hm> but now i do noticed the spacing there 13:09 <@Dagmar> IF it's tab-separated you're probably not fucked 13:09 <@Dagmar> ...because you can set IFS to \t, and then sort of bless each line into an array 13:10 <@Dagmar> ARRAY = (( $line )) I *think* 13:11 < Synx|hm> otay you are going to have to spell this out for me my friend :( 13:14 <@benthemeek> RangerZ: All I know is that you dont run find $variable_I_forgot_to_define | xargs -rm -f 13:14 <@Dagmar> echo -e "one two\tscrew\tyou\nthree four\tand theres\tmore" | while read line; do array=( $line ); echo ":$array[1]: :$array[2]: :$array[3]:"; done 13:15 <@Dagmar> See how that chops things up? 13:16 < Synx|hm> ya i think so 13:16 < Synx|hm> so i dont need to use IFS then? 13:16 <@Dagmar> Just paste the echo by itself first and you'll see that it's the same as your tab stuff 13:16 <@Dagmar> ...and I still probably need more caffiene in me 13:16 <@Dagmar> Yes. 13:17 <@Dagmar> I do need more caffiene. *slurp* 13:17 <@Dagmar> lol 13:22 <@Dagmar> Okay. Let's try this as if I actually knew what I was doing 13:22 <@Dagmar> http://pastebin.com/FYLfb8pd 13:22 < PigBot`> Title: [Bash] more coffee damnit - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com) 13:23 <@Dagmar> Gotta use curly braces to get array items lol 13:23 <@Dagmar> The sticky bits are that the single pass of interpolation will get the pieces of $line into the variables safely 13:23 < Synx|hm> btw that array thing didn't work 13:24 <@Dagmar> That's because I'm an idiot and forgot to actually write my varaibles correctly. 13:24 < Synx|hm> oh let me add the {} 13:24 <@Dagmar> You have to use curly braces 13:24 <@Dagmar> ...look at the pastebin 13:24 < Synx|hm> just did trying now 13:25 <@Dagmar> ...using echo -e "one two\tscrew\tyou\nthree four\theres some\tmore" as your input you can pipe that to a shell script containing the pastebin 13:26 < Synx|hm> as an asside do i have to save the previous IFS value? 13:26 < Synx|hm> and put it back? 13:26 <@Dagmar> In cact, if you're VERY fucking brave 13:26 <@Dagmar> echo -e 'one two\tscrew\tyou\n`rm -rf *`\theres some\tmore' 13:26 <@Dagmar> That depends... do you intend to do OTHER things later? 13:26 < Synx|hm> not at the moment 13:26 <@Dagmar> Typically you just cheat and put the whole thing into a subshell 13:26 < Synx|hm> once the script exits IFS goes back to normal? 13:27 <@Dagmar> http://pastebin.com/hhkVUq3x 13:27 < PigBot`> Title: [Bash] lol - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com) 13:27 < Synx|hm> :one two: :screw: :you: 13:27 < Synx|hm> :three four: :heres some: :more: 13:28 <@Dagmar> I'ma ctually over here using the rm -rf thing as my input 13:28 <@Dagmar> It wakes me up 13:28 <@Dagmar> hehe 13:28 <@Dagmar> If you put that little snippet with IFS being set into a set of parens, it makes bash spawn a subshell for that bit 13:28 <@Dagmar> The moment the subshell is done, that local version of IFS goes away ALONG WITH ARRAY mind you 13:29 <@Dagmar> It's slightly less typing than actually backing up IFS into like, OLDIFS or somethign 13:29 < Synx|hm> my hero... 13:29 <@Dagmar> Lemme try one _expanded_ permutation real quick 13:29 < Synx|hm> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5muSWw5B 13:30 < Synx|hm> k 13:31 <@Dagmar> Okay. Typeically you can set a variable for one line and it'll stay that way for one line only 13:31 <@Dagmar> The idea of doing it for a varaible assignment line made me worry 13:32 < Synx|hm> so this is the way to go then? 13:32 <@Dagmar> Okay yeah subshell or cache IFS into another variable temporarily 13:32 < Synx|hm> well shit how do i get IFS back now ha no idea what it was 13:32 < Synx|hm> reboot? 13:32 <@Dagmar> There's something I'm forgetting about `TEMPVAR=foo ./command` 13:33 <@Dagmar> If you jsut set it on the command line you screwed up 13:33 <@Dagmar> Just set it back to a single space or something 13:33 < Synx|hm> i ran a script 13:33 <@Dagmar> That won't affect your shell then 13:33 < Synx|hm> k 13:34 <@Dagmar> Remember, unless you get super-fancy, whatever you do in a script (IF YOU ARE NOT SOURCING IT LIKE A NUT) goes into it's own shell 13:34 < Synx|hm> btw could i not just do IFS=$'\n' ? 13:34 <@Dagmar> ./foo.sh <-- what happens in the script, stays in the script 13:34 <@Dagmar> . foo.sh <-- what happens in the script, won't be curable with a shot 13:35 <@Dagmar> Synx: You could, if you had more caffiene in you and wanted to be wrong 13:35 <@Dagmar> IFS is typically " " 13:35 < Synx|hm> right but i mean instead of the IFS=`echo -e "\t"` 13:35 <@Dagmar> Again, if you wanted to br wrong. 13:35 <@Dagmar> You used \n there 13:35 < Synx|hm> oh lol right 13:35 < Synx|hm> haha 13:36 <@Dagmar> I forgot about using $'thingy' notation 13:36 < Synx|hm> its been a long fucking week 13:36 <@Dagmar> Dude, I totally understand 13:36 < Synx|hm> ok now to actually do something with the data... 13:36 <@Dagmar> My worst problem is if I'm hopping between languages I tend to fuckup and use the wrong syntax 13:36 <@Dagmar> So many time I've had bash give me the middle finger for using foreach 13:36 < Synx|hm> in bash instead of a single liner | while read line; do fml; done 13:37 <@NotLarry> This so should be a p0rn site - http://twinshock.org 13:37 < Synx|hm> can i split that into multi liner and do a bunch of shit inbetween 13:37 < PigBot`> Title: Home - Intl Twin Shock Association (at twinshock.org) 13:37 <@Dagmar> Don't use one-liners in a shell script. 13:37 <@Dagmar> That way lies self-hate 13:37 <@Dagmar> Break that shit up into something readable 13:38 < Synx|hm> ahh i get it, the ; terminator is for when im inside the loop thats how bash knows whats what 13:38 <@Dagmar> http://pastebin.com/zAQVcweX 13:38 < PigBot`> Title: [Bash] wheeee - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com) 13:38 <@Dagmar> Oh wow... Hehe I didn't realize you weren't noticing what semicolon was for hehe 13:38 < Synx|hm> how do i pipe scriptinsidescript call to that though 13:38 <@Dagmar> I may have to escalate to vodka here 13:39 < Synx|hm> same 13:39 < Synx|hm> im feeling like an idiot today, ive been working on linux command lines since i was 13 and how ive never bothered to learn this is beyond me 13:40 < dfused> lack of necessity 13:42 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@DHCP-129-59-122-54.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:42 <@Dagmar> http://pastebin.com/XwHQ4SpW 13:42 < PigBot`> Title: [Bash] Now with 80% less dumb mistakes - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com) 13:43 < Synx|hm> fucking rockstar 13:43 < Synx|hm> dfused: and yup basically 13:43 <@Dagmar> Still, if the program you're getting your input from has a -print0 option available... USE IT. It'll only take one filename with a tab in it to fuck you over. 13:43 <@Evilpig> I gots to go! movie in 15 and I haven't showered yet 13:44 < Synx|hm> it does but im not sure it will help? 13:44 <@Dagmar> Uh if you set IFS to null it will 13:44 <@Dagmar> If you don't that tab will fuck up your abiility to parse the input 13:44 <@Dagmar> -print0 makes the output null-separated 13:44 <@Dagmar> ...and filenames can not have a null in them 13:44 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm still an idiot 13:45 <@Dagmar> Yeah... this is definitely an impasse because I've got enough caffiene in me now 13:45 <@Dagmar> You rather obviously need two unique field separators (*facepalm*) 13:45 < Synx|hm> -0, --nul, --print0 use a NUL character instead of a linebreak after items 13:45 < Synx|hm> ya 13:46 <@Dagmar> Yeah since your various records inside the lines are tab-separated, you're going to need to cross your fingers a bit or write something _much_ more complex 13:46 < Synx|hm> so it wont help right because i have (regarding file 1) arg1 arg2 arg3... \n (regarding file 2) arg1 arg2 arg2 13:47 < Synx|hm> well the output is encapsulated with '' if there are spaces in the argument 13:48 < Synx|hm> the --print0 option change will only spit all that shit out on a single line but still same issue and now i cant seperate the lines 13:49 < Synx|hm> unless i also sort on null 13:49 < Synx|hm> right? 13:49 <@Dagmar> Well, if you set IFS to null it would split fine but the real issue is you need _two_ field separators 13:49 < Synx|hm> yup 13:49 <@Dagmar> I'm not sure any backslash-escaping magic would be safe 13:50 < Synx|hm> oh btw... 13:50 <@Dagmar> You could also just have them change that command a bit so that it uses \0x00 as the field separator ALL the time and just assume the output will come in threes 13:50 < Synx|hm> with the -S flag on this app it escapes spaces per normal shell rules (i assume that means \?) 13:51 < Synx|hm> ya its a python script so i could modify it but i dont want to have to worry about svn checkouts breaking my hacks 13:51 <@Dagmar> Add a -print00 option to it then 13:52 <@Dagmar> It will be _wildly_ easier than trying to work around not having two field separators 13:52 < Synx|hm> ok well here is what i dont quite get... 13:53 < Synx|hm> :'/mnt/Media/seedbox.apps/rtorrent/work/Season 5': :btn: :avi: 13:53 < Synx|hm> why is bash not smart enough to realise that first string is encapsulated '' 13:53 <@Dagmar> Because you're not asking it to 13:53 <@Dagmar> ...and you probably don't want to ask it to do that 13:54 < Synx|hm> well before what i attemped was read line; do bashfunction $line 13:54 < Synx|hm> and then in the function use $1 $2 $3 arguments 13:54 <@Dagmar> ...becuase (ta-da!) filenames can freely involve ' as well 13:54 < Synx|hm> i had hoped it would understand 13:54 < Synx|hm> god i fucking hate spaces in file names 13:54 <@Dagmar> Shit like this is why I had to completely rewrite some shit that used rsynch over ssh at Vanderbilt 13:55 <@Dagmar> If you attempt to be lazy about filenames and their ability to contain *any* character except null, you will get burned 13:55 <@Dagmar> Case in point, when I was testing the fuck out of that thing, I made some filenames so toxic that _the backup system corrupted some tapes_ 13:55 < Synx|hm> ya cant tell you many many times with a shitty rsync or cp/mv command ive created huge trees of directories with ' as their name 13:56 < Synx|hm> or fucking \ 13:56 <@Dagmar> Sooo... lemme suggest you *don't* test like that on a machine that's being backed up at random times 13:56 < Synx|hm> zfs snapshots praise the lord 13:56 <@Dagmar> My shit could replicate the files with impunity, but the people who wrote the backup client were clearly not so careful 13:57 <@Dagmar> I didn't even reazlie why the backup guy was cursing and swearing until about a week later 13:57 <@Dagmar> He had no idea what caused it 13:57 <@Dagmar> I wasn't going to tell him either 13:58 <@Dagmar> Sync: protip... rsync has --protect-args for a reason 13:58 <@Dagmar> ...and that reason is the thing about unix filenames I mentioned 13:59 <@Dagmar> In fact, if you're working with an old enough version of rsync which doesn't have --protect-args, you can not use an ssh tunnel for the shit 13:59 <@Dagmar> Vandy is just lucky no one ever figured out they could exploit that (that I could detect) 13:59 <@Dagmar> ..and management wondered why I was so cagey about explaining what I was fixing. 13:59 <@Dagmar> Pfft. noobs 14:00 <@Dagmar> I was not interested in putting those exciting details into the change request when they were fucking around and telling me I had to deploy it in stages over the course of four months. 14:00 <@Dagmar> ...not when the fucking changes would be picked up by goddamn Google. 14:00 <@Dagmar> Jesus H. Christ. 14:01 < Synx|hm> well im up against another block now fml 14:01 <@Dagmar> Get a -print00 option added to your input script 14:02 <@Dagmar> ...then you can skip the whole quoting bullshit 14:02 < Synx|hm> somebody just farted 14:02 < Synx|hm> but im the only one here and it smells 14:02 < Synx|hm> how could i have farted without knowning 14:02 < Synx|hm> http://pastebin.com/RCU19TW6 14:02 < PigBot`> Title: [Bash] #!/bin/bash OLDIFS=$IFS IFS=$'\t' rtcontrol --from-view complete 'realpat - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com) 14:02 < Synx|hm> Dagmar: so new issue is that cp -al command it does know what the fuck to do with array0 14:03 < Synx|hm> cp: cannot stat ‘'/mnt/Media/seedbox.apps/rtorrent/work/A.New.Hope.1977.Bluray.1080p.DTSHD-MA.AVC.Remux-HiFi.mkv'’: No such file or directory 14:03 < Synx|hm> wait why the fuck is there a \n in there 14:03 <@Dagmar> lol 14:03 <@Dagmar> Tailing slash 14:03 <@Dagmar> er trailing slash 14:03 <@Dagmar> u needs one 14:03 <@Dagmar> LIne 13. 14:04 < Synx|hm> so this brings up another problem then lol 14:04 < Synx|hm> some of these are files (this one is) and some are directories 14:04 < Synx|hm> :( 14:05 <@Dagmar> This means you need to start using file test operators to figure that out before you invoke cp 14:05 < Synx|hm> fml 14:05 <@Dagmar> ...and you might want to use ln instead of cp because someone debugging this later might not realize what cp -l does 14:06 < Synx|hm> ln wont create the dr if it doesn't exist 14:06 < aestetix> what does cp -l do 14:06 < Synx|hm> nor could i figure out how to recurssivly hardlink all files if its a dir 14:06 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Makes a hard link 14:06 < aestetix> is that copying symlinks? 14:06 < Synx|hm> makes a hardlink 14:06 <@Dagmar> a.k.a "destroys civilization" 14:06 < aestetix> isn't that the same as copying? 14:06 <@Shadow404> why did the show Andromeda never really hit it off as big as star trek? 14:06 <@Dagmar> Holy shit no do not _recursively_ hardlink 14:06 <@Dagmar> good god 14:06 * Dagmar fans himself 14:07 < Synx|hm> err heres what i mean 14:07 < aestetix> what's the difference between copying, and copying a hard link 14:07 < Synx|hm> /somefolder/file1 /somefolder/file2... cp -al will hardlink both file1 and file2 in one command 14:07 <@Dagmar> You *will* have to replicate the directory structure 14:07 < Synx|hm> aestetix: it doesn't copy it just creates a hardlink to the same inode 14:08 <@Dagmar> aestetix: A hard link fakes it. When you hard link name1 to name2, the pointers in the directory tree point to the _exact same file_ 14:08 <@Shadow404> aestetix: you missed a discussion aout LaTeX earlier today 14:08 <@Dagmar> This is _undetectable_ 14:08 < aestetix> oh boy 14:08 <@Dagmar> It's also just begging to wind up with an infinitely recursive filepath 14:08 < Synx|hm> aestetix: the plus being that you can delete either one and retain the other, where as with symlinks if you delete what the symlink points to the symlink also goes away 14:09 < Synx|hm> or points to nowhere 14:09 <@Dagmar> Unless you want to start looking at inode numbers and pissing away any chance of using say, NFS, or doing this _across filesystems_ sane people use fucking symbolic links 14:09 <@Dagmar> ...becuse hard links won't jump between filesystems 14:09 < Synx|hm> Dagmar: im hardlinking across NFS 14:09 <@Dagmar> Then may god have mercy on your soul 14:10 < Synx|hm> but its all the same filesystem on the remote server 14:10 <@Dagmar> For _now_ 14:10 < Synx|hm> so you are saying nfs isn't preserving my links? 14:10 <@Dagmar> If that changes, you will never know until someone fucks up and your entire office is sucked up into the resulting tear in the spacetime continuum 14:11 <@Dagmar> No, Im saying that by doing this over NFS you are risking damnnation and hellfire 14:11 < Synx|hm> i just logged in to the zfs server and it shows 2 hits on the inode as expected 14:11 < Synx|hm> here is why i dont want to use symlinks 14:11 <@Dagmar> Some bright little monkey later on might decide to rearrange things a bit on the remote end and have certain subdirectories moved into their own filesystems 14:11 <@Dagmar> ...and then shit will burst into flames 14:11 < Synx|hm> i want to be able to just delete one or the other without having to worry about orphaning a link 14:12 < Synx|hm> im the only admin here this is home lab 14:12 <@Dagmar> Well then it'll just be karma is that bright little monkey is the you of five years from now 14:12 < Synx|hm> and if you mv or cp, you replicate the data anyways but yes then you dont have hardlinks on the new replicated filesystem 14:12 <@Dagmar> s/karma is/karma if/ 14:12 <@Dagmar> There's a reason you don't see hardlinks mentioned without dire warnings often 14:12 < Synx|hm> hahah 100% valid, cant tell you how many times ive gone back and said "what the fuck was i doing back then!"!" 14:13 <@Dagmar> To put it another way... it doesn't matter if the gun is cherry flavored or not. One end of it should never go into your mouth. 14:14 <@Dagmar> Symbolic links copy just fine 14:14 <@Dagmar> ...assuming you do it sensibly 14:14 <@Dagmar> ...and you're just an asshole if you make diretory hardlinks 14:14 < Synx|hm> copy fine but dont delete well without forethought 14:14 <@Dagmar> I've never had a problem deleing symlinks 14:16 < Synx|hm> so long as you delete the link but not the file it points to 14:16 < Synx|hm> im maintaining two copies of these files 14:17 < Synx|hm> and i want to be able to randomly delete either or but dont want both gone 14:17 <@Dagmar> Separate your presentation and your actual storage 14:17 <@Dagmar> "Randomly" deleting either. LOL 14:17 < Synx|hm> these files are huge, that would duplicate the space required 14:17 <@Dagmar> NO. 14:17 <@Dagmar> Just get a long set of pliers, stick them in your ear, and dig out the brain cell that came up with that idea 14:17 < Synx|hm> and i also rename one subset of the files into sane names (WITHOUT FUCKING SPACES) 14:18 < Synx|hm> haha 14:18 < Synx|hm> ive got lots of those cells 14:18 <@Dagmar> You will want to have _one_ area that is storage, and one area that is your fancy presentation area 14:18 <@Dagmar> ...or multiple areas on the second 14:18 <@Dagmar> ...but either way, changes to the first _will_ require changes to the second 14:19 <@Dagmar> If you make hardlinks you cannot delete "just one" of them 14:19 <@Dagmar> You will HAVE to delete them both. 14:19 < Synx|hm> right! thats exactly what im after 14:19 <@Dagmar> At least with a symlink you can tell if the destination has been deleted 14:19 < Synx|hm> i want to say later... hey i dont like that movie delete it from plex and my media storage, but i still want it to seed per normal 14:19 <@Shadow404> oh got 14:19 <@Shadow404> *god 14:19 <@Dagmar> Unless your filesystem is fuckin' broken, it keeps a list of references, dig? 14:20 <@Shadow404> the crazy has spoken 14:20 <@Dagmar> So long as refcount != 0, it will never actually remove a file 14:20 <@Dagmar> Dude... 14:20 < Synx|hm> yes thats the point 14:20 <@Dolemite> Oh, my. Amber's resume just came through. 14:20 <@Dolemite> ROFL 14:20 <@Dagmar> Dolemite: C'mon man. You know you want to take her off our hands 14:20 <@Dolemite> s/resume/bid for the Nashville 2600 Board 14:20 < Synx|hm> also i now realize i should never ask for another job referal here because ive proven myself to be an idiot 14:21 <@Dagmar> Surely you can find her a nice office inside the reactor core somewhere 14:21 <@Dagmar> Synx: No. That's a thing you have *not* done. 14:21 <@Shadow404> oh shit 14:21 <@Dolemite> Dagmar: Sorry to disappoint you, but I don't mean employment resume. 14:21 <@Dagmar> An idiot would have deployed this in a hurry and never even _suspected_ they might have a problem. 14:21 <@Shadow404> please somone fill in the parts where shes crazy and caused drama in many known groups? 14:21 < aestetix> lol 14:22 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Months and months of keeping everyone busy with dimwitted arguments about needing anti-sexism verbiage in the bylaws 14:22 < aestetix> She has a doctorate in theology? 14:22 <@Shadow404> please, rip her apart Dagmar 14:22 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Being banned from other confs for doing classy things like threatning to rape people with broken beer bottles over Twitter 14:22 < aestetix> wait Esoteric Theological Seminar? 14:22 < aestetix> seminary 14:22 < aestetix> wtf is that 14:23 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: No, I've been civil because I was trying to give her the benefit of the doubt. 14:23 <@Dagmar> Now I handle it like you'd handle any sack of flaming dogshit that's not on your own doorstep 14:23 < aestetix> http://www.northernway.org/degrees.html 14:23 < PigBot`> Title: Doctor of Divinity, Doctor Theology, Ministry, Sacred Music, Online Doctorate Degree (at www.northernway.org) 14:23 <@Dagmar> I'm not touching it unless you pay me, and I'm just going to hope that most of the time I'll be upwind 14:24 <@Dagmar> Your problem, not mine 14:24 < Synx|hm> Dagmar: ok here is the intent... same file system... i want to maintain /mnt/foo/bar/awesome.neat.directories/neat.filename.mkv and also maintain /mnt/backroundapp/ugly directores/fml spaces filename.mkv 14:24 <@Dagmar> Synx|hm: You can have your fancy presentation directories, but it's kind of a dumb idea 14:25 < Synx|hm> Dagmar: and then later delete either the neat folder or file without a care 14:25 <@Dagmar> Any change to the actual storage is going to require you to make a change to your presentation directories 14:25 <@Dagmar> This is a thing better handled by just keeping a database 14:25 <@Dagmar> You can not do what it is you're wanting to do without explicitly deleting the information from both stores 14:26 < Synx|hm> Dagmar: exactly, i want to make sure the data does not go away unless i explicitely delete both 14:26 < Synx|hm> hence hardlinks 14:26 <@Dagmar> Okay. That's still insane but it's your choice to make 14:26 <@Dagmar> You are basically wanting to have two stores of information 14:27 < Synx|hm> whys it insane its the entire point of hardlinks right? 14:27 <@Dagmar> ...but you dont' wnat to have to maintain them as if they were two stores 14:27 <@Dagmar> The point of hardlinks is rather questionable 14:27 <@Dagmar> There is almost never a good reason to use hardlinks 14:27 <@Dagmar> ...and this isn't one of those times IMHO 14:27 < Synx|hm> its only the file/directory names that you are maintaining the data is identical and in only one place on the drive 14:28 <@Dagmar> Yeah the moment you got _directories_ involved in this you failed 14:28 < aestetix> Ok so the requirements for her PhD are... send them a 4000 word thesis, a statement of why you want the degree, and $890 14:28 < Synx|hm> im not hardlinking dirs 14:28 <@Dagmar> At least you dodge that bullet if your primary storage is _flat_ 14:28 < aestetix> And she actually cited that in a professional context. 14:29 < aestetix> This is like a watered down version of ULC 14:33 < Synx|hm> Dagmar: so here is what i want to avoid and what led me to choose hardlinks... a) maintain two directory structures that eventually point to the same subset of data on the disk. also be able to move those directories around as i wish at any point in time in addition to changing file names etc. and finally at any given time delete either subset of data but still have the data on the nondeleted area. and onl 14:33 < Synx|hm> y when i delete both is the data actually gone 14:34 <@Dagmar> You are _already_ maintaining two directory structures. 14:34 < Synx|hm> Dagmar: b) i also need to move the data around while it is being read from live and then after moving it delete the origional without deleting where its been relinked to 14:34 < Synx|hm> err disregard b) it doesn't read like i intended 14:35 < Synx|hm> Dagmar: yes and if i use symlinks though i brick the ability to delete either or without destroying the data 14:35 <@Dagmar> You also want it to compress infinitely don't you 14:36 < Synx|hm> yes actually i want the files to actually free up space when i put them on the drive 14:36 <@Dagmar> o.O 14:36 < Synx|hm> ;) 14:36 < Synx|hm> common my usage here is the entire use-case for hardlinks its the entire reason why they exist 14:36 < Synx|hm> i agree i could achieve similar with symlinks but it would not be as elegant 14:37 < Synx|hm> no? 14:37 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Yeah, I gathered it was likely an online pay-for-play ordination type 'degree' 14:38 < aestetix> I mean I'm a ULC minister, but being able to legally officiate a wedding is one thing. 14:39 < aestetix> Claiming that you have accomplished a body of study equal to a PhD.... is something else. 14:39 < aestetix> (My mom has a PhD, it took her 10 years ) 14:39 <@Dolemite> Reality and Amber are two things that can't exist in the same time and same place 14:39 <@Mirage> glad Amber kept to a short paragraph in her bid for the Board. 14:40 < aestetix> So yeah, I consider 10 years of study and a dissertation to be what you need for a PhD. 14:40 <@oddball> So... how many slots are being voted on tonight? 2? 14:40 < aestetix> Not this 4000 word essay and a thousand bucks crap 14:40 <@Dolemite> If she is elected to the board then there will be no holding back in the ridicule of the voting memberbase. 14:40 <@Dolemite> Eldridge is the only seated member, so 3 14:41 <@oddball> I thought piggy was still a board member. 14:41 <@Dolemite> No, he was never appointed 14:41 <@oddball> ah 14:41 <@oddball> so... it was you, Eldridge, and... who? 14:41 <@Dagmar> Was there a deadline stated for declaring one's intent? 14:41 <@Dagmar> I mean, technically I declared my intent in a roundabout fashion last night 14:41 <@Dolemite> By voting time 14:43 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@DHCP-129-59-122-54.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has joined #se2600 14:43 < aestetix> I want to run. Dolemite can you proxy for me? 14:43 <@Dolemite> aestetix: Do I have to explain to you yet again how I am not in Nashville? 14:43 < aestetix> oh 14:43 < aestetix> RangerZ: you can proxy for me 14:44 < RangerZ> if only... 14:44 <@Dolemite> Were I in Nashville, I would have run against Dru after the shit he pulled when he was VP and did nothing productive and some things that were destructive 14:45 < aestetix> My platform is that I want a board seat so Amber can't have it. 14:45 < RangerZ> and THAT is why i threw my name into the ring for board membership... to block the insurgent 14:45 < _NSAKEY> Wait, didn't Amber say she was done with Nashville 2600? 14:45 <@Dagmar> I want a seat to prevent us from adding millions upon millions of rules we have no need of 14:45 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: didn't you just see her email? saying she's running for board member 14:45 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: I did, thus my question. 14:46 <@Dagmar> It's possible we all might be a bunch of racist assholes when it comes to aliens from Mars, but this hasn't been tested yet 14:46 < _NSAKEY> I distinctly remember her saying she was done with you guys multiple times. 14:46 < RangerZ> dru flirted with her again, so she's coming back 14:46 < RangerZ> dru 'breaking her heart' is why she was going to leave 14:46 <@Dagmar> We don't need to debate about whether or not there should be strict rules in the bylaws against being insensitive to "sandies" 14:47 <@Dagmar> We've had women at the cons, no one's been a dick. Everyone knows how to behave. 14:47 <@Dagmar> Clearly, we can handle that on the social layer 14:47 <@Dagmar> We're in greater risk of problems with childen because some people make poor decisions about letting them at the gaming consoles. 14:47 <@Dolemite> No, people have very much been a dick at PhreakNIC. It's just that they were a dick to everybody, not just women. 14:47 <@Dagmar> Dolemite++ 14:48 <@Dagmar> Actually I just mentioned the Atlanta guys in a PM with someone else. heeh 14:48 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: You mean the children might start questioning each other's sexual orientation and ethnic background while gaming? 14:48 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: No they might go play GTAV and spend a few hours at the Pink Unicorn 14:48 <@Dagmar> If I'd have known... 14:48 <@Dagmar> Pfft. 14:48 <@Dagmar> I wasn't particularly happy with the torture segment, but I understood it 14:49 <@Dagmar> It had _meaning_ in the game 14:49 <@Dagmar> It made a coherent point as well 14:49 < aestetix> What is a sandie? 14:49 <@Dagmar> I dont' know that a kid or someone who didn't follow that segment through to it's conclusion phase would get that point 14:49 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Mars. Lots of sand. 14:50 <@Dagmar> Yes, I can come up with racist slang for things and people that don't even exist. 14:50 <@Dagmar> Remember, my mutant power is knowing how to be offensive 14:50 <@Dagmar> To anyone. For any reason. 14:50 <@Dagmar> This includes imaginary people and ethnic groups 14:51 <@Dagmar> It's not a power I abuse. 14:51 <@Dagmar> Sooo... just like any other perfectly reasonable person. 14:52 <@oddball> Oh... by the way.. holy shit is the battery in my car expensive. Damn near $200. 14:52 <@Dagmar> You should comparison shop 14:52 <@oddball> I did 14:52 <@Dagmar> Unless you got one of those fancy dual-cell batteries 14:52 <@Dagmar> ...in which case, $200 is well-spent 14:53 <@Dagmar> Also, keep in mind, the main thing is the size and shape. they're all 12V 14:53 <@Dagmar> The battery in my beemerskate was not the stock battery 14:53 <@Dagmar> It just happened to fit into the hole and was capable of still starting the car after the headlights had been on for 13 hours. 14:54 < aestetix> OMG 14:54 < aestetix> It is raining! 14:54 < aestetix> We haven't had rain in 2 months 14:54 <@oddball> Dagmar: Oh, this is a pretty big battery. 14:55 <@oddball> Also, it's under my back seat. Kind of interesting getting it out. 14:56 <@Dagmar> So was the one in the beemerskate 14:56 <@Dagmar> It keeps the temperature a bit more stable in there 14:56 <@Dagmar> A hard freeze is less likely to crack it that way 14:57 <@oddball> It's also actually fairly easy to get to... if you know it's there. 15:01 <@Dagmar> Oh wait lol 15:01 <@Dolemite> Ok, you kids have fun at the meeting tonight! Be sure to let us know how it goes! 15:01 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking of a different car entirely 15:01 <@Dolemite> Time to head home 15:01 <@Dagmar> The beemerskate had it in the trunk, although the functionality was the same 15:03 <@Mirage> oddball: All the car batteries have gone up in the past year. The one for my Honda used to be ~$70-80. When I recently replaced it, it was $130. 15:04 <@Mirage> Ditto for my 300zx's 15:05 <@oddball> Yeah... I know. 15:06 <@Mirage> I think the battery in a friend's '72 Beetle was under the back seat. Pretty odd place for one. 15:16 < RangerZ> so crazypants has been trying to sleep with dru since pre 2000 15:16 < RangerZ> I guess that counts for Dagmar too... 15:21 < aestetix> Dagmar has been trying to sleep with Dru since pre 2000? 15:22 < RangerZ> nah, if Dagmar had wanted dru would have been happy 15:24 < aestetix> that reminds me of a certain picture... 15:25 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has joined #se2600 15:25 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ 15:27 < aestetix> klixa: you should run for board 15:28 <@klixa> what board 15:28 < RangerZ> I don't know how open he is, but my understanding is that dru is openly bi... so I dunno, I might be wrong on that 15:29 < aestetix> is Dagmar also bi? 15:29 < RangerZ> I don't believe so 15:29 < RangerZ> but he's not chickenshit... so he sits on IRC so... you can ask him 15:30 < aestetix> Does bi mean kissing a guy, or sucking dick? 15:30 < RangerZ> both I guess 15:31 <@klixa> poor amber, that dru is not also into beastiality 15:31 < aestetix> RangerZ: giving or taking in the butt could also be with women 15:32 < aestetix> although I guess a girl could wear a strapon and let you suck her off 15:32 <@klixa> that would be so pointless 15:32 <@klixa> except for role plauing psychological reasons 15:32 < RangerZ> nah, could humiliate the guy... 15:32 < RangerZ> which... happens to be a 'thing' with japanese 15:33 <@klixa> RangerZ: well it could also be the fulfillment of a female fantasy of feeling like a guy 15:33 <@klixa> tho, when i was in that phase, i went out with women, cause i wasnt trying to feel like a gay guy 15:33 < RangerZ> that too 15:34 < aestetix> klixa: would you get off to fucking a guy in the ass with a strapon? 15:34 < RangerZ> japanese make southern baptists look like 1960 sexually free hippies 15:34 <@klixa> aestetix: no, because anal in general makes me think of pain 15:34 <@klixa> i couldnt relax cause i would think i was hurting them 15:34 < RangerZ> she's not a 'good sadist' lol 15:34 < aestetix> hmm 15:34 < aestetix> would you fuck another girl in the pussy? 15:34 <@klixa> aestetix: yes i would 15:34 < aestetix> huh 15:34 <@klixa> i would do a girl 15:34 <@klixa> with a strap on 15:35 <@klixa> ive done just about everyhting with girls except that cause i didnt own one :/ 15:35 < aestetix> klixa: have you ever wanted to have a penis? 15:35 <@klixa> aestetix: yes. when i was a kid i wanted to be a boy 15:36 < aestetix> but then you'd never get laid 15:36 <@klixa> ? 15:36 < aestetix> a guy in se2600 :p 15:36 <@klixa> hahahah 15:37 <@klixa> well, thats what roofies are for 15:38 <@Dagmar> Umm... no 15:38 < RangerZ> hell 200$ from 'backpage' can solve that for Evilpig, and he was saying he wasn't picky if we wanted to donate 15:38 <@Dagmar> Having seen how a friend of mine is when she's drunk, I *know* she was roofied about a month back 15:38 <@Dagmar> I've seen her positively gobsmacked drunk and she didn't slur 15:38 <@klixa> Dagmar: well i was kidding... but speaking of that i was roofied (or something similar) when i was 17 15:39 <@Dagmar> That she was slurring after two drinks tells me she was oh so definitely roofied 15:39 <@Dagmar> I may accompany her the next time she goes drinking in Clarksville 15:39 <@klixa> i dont really know what happened, but i had 2 shots of southern comfort...next thing i know its 3 hours later and im wandering around the woods with my shirt around my waist like a skirt 15:39 <@klixa> 2 shots of whisy didnt do that 15:39 <@Dagmar> Yeah that would just about do it 15:39 <@Dagmar> This girl couldn't reliably remember what I'd said to her five minutes ago 15:40 < RangerZ> Dagmar: yeah... 15:40 < aestetix> klixa: I'm pretty sure girls have an easier time getting laid than guys 15:41 <@Bahhumbug> See... this is something that crazy bitch won't ever have to be worried about. She will never, not ever, get roofied. She doesn't know how locky she has it. 15:41 < aestetix> klixa: how many guys have walked up to you and asked for sex? 15:41 < RangerZ> my mom was telling me about when she was in college, a girl she worked with didn't like her, and she was pretty positive she ruffied her just to make her miss work the next shift/etc... but thankfully my mom was able to immediately leave the party and puke it up... 15:41 < RangerZ> so I don't play around with that shit... fuck that 15:41 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: That depends. One way or another, the target is going to pass out soon 15:41 <@klixa> aestetix: yeah, tobh one itme i was bored and i literally went up to some random guy and asked if he wanted to have sex 15:41 <@klixa> tbh* 15:41 <@klixa> aestetix: i was 17 at the time 15:41 < aestetix> klixa: I have had that happen to me once, ever. 15:41 < RangerZ> thats how she found her current husband 15:41 <@klixa> aestetix: thats the only time i have done that 15:42 < aestetix> On NYE in a seedy bar/club in berlin. 15:42 < aestetix> klixa: has anyone done it to you? 15:42 < aestetix> walked up to you and within a few minues asked for sex 15:42 <@Dagmar> Hmm... 15:42 <@klixa> aestetix: no 15:42 < aestetix> really? 15:42 <@klixa> aestetix: not that bluntly 15:42 < aestetix> I thought guys did that to girls all the time 15:42 <@Dagmar> The damn heartbeat timer is still triggering. I'll have to look into maybe setting up a cleanup function 15:42 < RangerZ> aestetix: I did that once at the mall... (well 30x times) b/c we were fucking around and pretending to be frat rushes... 15:42 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Well, it happens more often than never 15:43 <@Dagmar> ...but not as often as the radical feminists would have people believe. 15:43 <@klixa> i have only had ONE bad expereince with a man in my ife 15:43 < RangerZ> 31st time I left the mall with a 'new friend' ;) 15:43 <@klixa> he asked me ot blow him, i said no and he punched me in the face and threw me out of a car 15:43 <@Dagmar> Yeah that's what we called "the salvo method" at MTSU 15:43 < RangerZ> klixa: ouch... 15:43 <@Dagmar> It _works_, but you have to set aside your self-esteem 15:44 < aestetix> klixa: he was just trying to knock your teeth out so you couldn't bite his dick 15:44 < RangerZ> Dagmar: not really, we were purposely being fools, we were like 20, just fucking around, didn't expect it to work at all 15:44 <@Dagmar> Thats' where you were mistake 15:44 <@Dagmar> n 15:44 <@Dagmar> Someone introduced me to that at The Boro 15:45 <@Dagmar> Proposition seven girls, and if you're not abhorrent, one of them's going to say yes 15:45 <@klixa> aestetix: anyay, in my experience most men are ok...but if you are already drunk, sometimes they will be very blunt about wanting sez 15:45 <@Dagmar> Of course, it might have had something to do with the wildly imbalanced gender ratio on campus, too 15:45 <@Dagmar> A random proposition is more than some of those girls would get in several months 15:46 <@Dagmar> Just not enough guys to go around. 15:46 < RangerZ> yeah 15:46 * Dagmar looks wistful 15:46 < aestetix> Dagmar: where is this place 15:46 <@klixa> it only works on girls if they they think its cute 15:46 <@Dagmar> MTSU yo 15:46 <@klixa> girls will fuck *cute* guys 15:46 < aestetix> klixa: would I get laid there? 15:46 <@Dagmar> At the time the ratio was ~7:1 15:46 < aestetix> jesus 15:47 <@Dagmar> WKU was positively _dangerous_ for men like me 15:47 <@klixa> aestetix: you woudlnt have any issues getting laid if you never talked :O 15:47 <@Dagmar> 15:1 15:47 <@klixa> :P 15:47 < aestetix> haha 15:47 <@Dagmar> hahahah 15:47 <@Dagmar> I was dating a girl who went to WKU, who I'd met in Franklin, which tells you something about how far ranging they had to go 15:47 < aestetix> so I show up at MTSU and whip out the shlong 15:48 <@Dagmar> I went to her dorm to pick her up for a date one night, and I got propositioned by three different girls as I crosssed the campus 15:48 <@Dagmar> One was in her damn hall 15:48 <@Dagmar> That's pretty damn ruthless 15:48 < aestetix> Dagmar: did they walk up to you ask ask for sex? 15:48 < aestetix> what does proposition mean 15:48 <@Dagmar> "Oh well... if it doesn't work out... you know where I am" 15:48 <@Dagmar> aestetix: There was _some_ small talk 15:49 <@Dagmar> ...for the first two anyway 15:49 <@Dagmar> That third girl was just being an opportunist 15:49 <@Shadow404> aestetix: that means they wanted it in the ass 15:49 <@Shadow404> of course 15:49 < aestetix> klixa: so girls actually like having a dude lay on them and thrust his dick into her? 15:49 <@klixa> what Shadow404 said 15:49 <@Dagmar> Look at it from their perspective 15:49 < aestetix> Dagmar: were they hot? 15:50 <@Dagmar> They're on a college campus which is an hours drive from anywhere 15:50 <@Dagmar> THere are fifteen of them for every male on campus 15:50 <@Dagmar> That is just a simple matter of attrition and hormones 15:50 <@Shadow404> hmm, this could be aestetix's paradise 15:50 <@Shadow404> at least the odds would be on his side 15:50 <@klixa> being tall helps too 15:50 <@Shadow404> 6'7" 15:50 <@klixa> tall men in college get girls 15:50 <@Shadow404> wot woot 15:51 <@klixa> so many guys are still short in college 15:51 <@Shadow404> yes we do 15:51 <@Dagmar> heheh 15:51 < aestetix> klixa: if a guy laid on me and did that I would punch him 15:51 <@klixa> both of my brothers are tall and both got girls 15:51 <@klixa> y bf in college was 5"6 lol 15:52 <@klixa> he fnally had a growth spurt right before grad school 15:52 < aestetix> then again I also don't like bodily fluids, so the idea of someone cuming on me is revolting 15:52 <@klixa> aestetix: yeah, cum is gross...it looks like snot 15:52 < aestetix> klixa: so you spit? 15:52 <@klixa> aestetix: no, then i d have to see it 15:52 <@klixa> swallow it, get it gone, quick 15:52 < aestetix> but you also like cum inside you? 15:52 <@klixa> indifferent 15:53 <@klixa> i mostly dont like to see it 15:53 < aestetix> there are these dildos that can simulate ejaculation 15:53 < aestetix> I have no idea why someone would want to do that 15:53 <@Dagmar> Can we bring this back to more abstract levels 15:54 <@Dickie> Hello. 15:54 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: not unless you /mute, /kick aestetix 15:54 <@klixa> /kick aestetix 15:54 <@Shadow404> heh 15:54 <@klixa> haha 15:54 < aestetix> what 15:54 <@Shadow404> aestetix: so i see my mistress tomorrow 15:54 <@Shadow404> please discuss 15:55 <@klixa> Shadow404: mistress usually means you are married and its someone you are haing an aaffair with...is this the context you mean it in? 15:55 < aestetix> Shadow404: butt play? 15:56 <@Shadow404> klixa: this is in the bdsm sense 15:56 <@Shadow404> though i do plan to get engaged to my gf soon 15:56 <@klixa> id the mistress and gf the same person? 15:56 <@klixa> is* 15:56 <@Shadow404> nope 15:57 <@Shadow404> but gf is coming with me 15:57 < aestetix> Shadow404: does she humiliate you? 15:57 < aestetix> like does she pee and poop on you? 15:57 <@klixa> so like a 3-some? 15:57 <@Shadow404> nope 15:57 <@Shadow404> seperate play 15:57 <@klixa> um, ok 15:57 <@Shadow404> though we have (mistres and i) co-topped my gf in a spanking scene for her birthday 15:57 <@Dagmar> Oi! 15:57 <@Shadow404> (notice how aestetix cant stand being ignored) 15:58 <@Dagmar> As much as I find that last comment in particular tittilating, perhaps this isn't germane for the channel 15:58 <@Dagmar> You just give people like Amber more power. 15:58 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: theres been worse, much much worse 15:58 <@klixa> /join #se2600-deviantssextalk 15:58 <@Shadow404> Dagmar: so be it, we'll just laugh harder 15:58 <@Dagmar> Yeah 15:59 <@Dagmar> Yeah well, people like her wouldn't have any ammo at all if there weren't "colorful" discussions taking place in public areas 15:59 <@Shadow404> maybe your in the wrong group if you have to deal with people like her 15:59 <@klixa> she faked the logs we were tlaking about rainbows and uniconrs 15:59 <@klixa> also the WORST offender ever was tilgham 15:59 <@Shadow404> maybe its time to start your own group with your own style 15:59 <@klixa> or however you spell his name 15:59 <@Dagmar> No, frankly she's in the wrong group 15:59 <@Shadow404> corydon works too 16:00 <@klixa> i couslnt remeber his nick 16:00 <@klixa> cause eveyrone refers to him by that other name 16:00 <@Dagmar> She needs to go hang out with the special snowflake committee in their little echo chamber and leave the rest of the balanced, normal people alone 16:00 <@Dagmar> Save the racier talk for past sundown at least 16:00 <@Dagmar> That's all I'm askin 16:00 <@klixa> how is that woman able to cause so many issues 16:00 <@klixa> shes obviosuly insane, but does everyone not realise this? 16:01 <@Dagmar> klixa: Because not everyone can know everyone else very well 16:01 <@Shadow404> wait wait wait 16:01 <@Dagmar> ...and that leaves _doubt_ in their minds as to the falsity of her statements. 16:01 <@Dagmar> Same shit the trolls of her stripe always use 16:01 <@Shadow404> you just called yourself and your subgroup...."balanced and normal"? 16:01 <@Shadow404> did i just read that correctly? 16:01 <@Dagmar> The blah blah blah about this majority group are actually dicks most of the time 16:01 <@klixa> Shadow404: man, compared to *her* theveryone else here is the defintion of mormal and balanced 16:02 <@klixa> normal* 16:02 <@Shadow404> ok, i never met the chick 16:02 <@Dagmar> ...when in reality it's just a very small minority who are dicks and the rest of us wish they would just go away 16:02 <@Shadow404> ive avoided past pn's due to upheavel drama 16:02 <@Dagmar> ...but we don't know _everybody_ so when these people bring this shit up we tolerate it, just in case 16:02 < aestetix> Dagmar: there's also a difference between IRL and IRC 16:02 <@Shadow404> skydog's reign and ever since 16:03 <@Dagmar> Shadow404: Hence why i was hammering on "core values" on the list for so long 16:03 <@klixa> i hate that people are so easily misled by troublaming sicopaths 16:03 <@Dagmar> Honestly I probably should have accepted that nomination, but I also am not kidding about not being certain we're not being targeted by forces more than just one crazy chick 16:03 <@klixa> sociopaths* 16:03 <@Dagmar> I want a way to force their hand if they exist 16:03 <@klixa> i see it on irc all the time...you get some mean sociopath crazy person who ends up with followers and causing problems for others 16:04 <@Dagmar> Duz if shit goes down, I've got a lot of skeltons. lol 16:04 <@Dagmar> They're all happy dancing skeletons, but some people aren't that into goth decor 16:05 <@klixa> just compile the worst of amber from irc, and print it ]=][[.,l/;/ 16:05 <@Dagmar> If perchance I were to say, run for President of the US, the tabloid industry would overtake the banking industry in less than six months 16:05 <@klixa> ack, my child hijacked my computer... 16:08 <@Dagmar> I've done drugs (but I am not a junkie and by the standards of the majority, it's nothing), wild partying (regardless of the exercise I got out of it), fast women (yet I'm monogamous without a problem), crime (entirely victimless and incredibly hard to actually define as such)... 16:08 <@Dagmar> I can't even really call myself a pothead anymore 16:09 <@Dagmar> ...but get the hyperjudgemental people rolling and there's no end to their bullshit 16:09 <@Dagmar> Otherwise I'd be running for political office. 16:09 <@Dagmar> However, as a board member, there's a different standard 16:09 <@Dagmar> I can't be made a target 16:10 <@klixa> which board, the 2600 board? 16:10 <@Dagmar> Unlike a lot of people, I focus on doing what's right and proper even when no one's lokoing (and especially when no one's looking because I don't want to ruin my street cred) 16:10 <@Dagmar> Yea 16:10 <@Dagmar> I had weed and acid in my possession last week actually 16:10 <@Dagmar> I was walking 'round Centennial Park and picked up what I thought was just a piece of trash 16:11 < RangerZ> Morally right > legally right 16:11 <@Dagmar> It wasn't until I looked closely at it that I noticed what it was 16:11 <@Dagmar> I still chucked it in the bin because it was someones teeny weeny little bag of shake with a tiny paper square in it 16:12 <@Dagmar> Hell, there's a sign that keeps getting blown over at that place, and I keep propping it back up 16:12 <@klixa> Dagmar: you have more integrity than most of the board members 16:12 <@Dagmar> I have more integrity than most _people_ 16:13 <@Dagmar> ...but it's that _doubt_... that lingering air of trouble, that people like Amber feed upon and exploit 16:13 <@klixa> i would agree... cuase other people are doing worse stuff AND hiding it... 16:13 <@Dagmar> They get people convinced that almost everyone is a psychopath rapist when no one's looking 16:13 <@klixa> thats what most people do, they hide stuff...tey look perfect on teh surafce but are doing UNSPEAKABLE things and hiding it 16:13 <@Dagmar> Espeically now that most people's social groups are composed of relatively remote interactions 16:14 <@Dagmar> Probably anyone _but_ me would have had sex last weekend. 16:14 <@Dagmar> I had a girl in my lap and grinding on me for her own evil amusement 16:14 <@Dagmar> I am an idiot. 16:14 <@Dagmar> ...but I am an idiot with integrity. 16:15 <@klixa> its typical of INTJ's...which i assume you are...you seem like one 16:15 <@Dagmar> Yes. 16:15 <@Dagmar> That test doesn't even waver for me when I'm drunk 16:16 <@Mirage> oh, noes...one of our customers has let us know that they're going to start deploying RHEL7, so we're going to have to start supporting it. 16:16 <@Dagmar> Mirage: OH GOD WHAT WILL YOU DO?? 16:16 < RangerZ> who is modnoc? 16:17 * klixa is ENTP 16:17 <@Mirage> Dagmar: enjoy the fact that with that email as ammo i should finally be able to justify getting to take the RHEL7 RH300 class 16:17 <@Dagmar> Are my eyes playing games with me or are three of the names on that list purple? 16:17 <@Mirage> aka, the RHCSA/RHCE combined one 16:18 <@Dagmar> Mirage: I'm somewhat considering going for that one myself just to shut these people up 16:18 <@Dagmar> "How are you with Ubuntu?" "It's linux." 16:19 <@Dagmar> Hmm.. it's not my eyes 16:19 <@Dagmar> Weird. Something went awry with the renderer in Chrome I guess 16:20 <@Dagmar> I just alt-prntscreen'd it and pulled the result into Gimp 16:21 <@oddball> Mother fucker... There's another bill in Congress to ban "high capacity" magazines. Last time this happened, it forced me to buy a 75round drum mag. 16:22 <@Dagmar> Apparently modnoc has been to several meetings 16:22 <@Dagmar> oddball: It's almost like they're using this as a way to drive up sales 16:22 <@Dagmar> hehe 16:23 <@oddball> As the blog post that was talking about it pointed out, it's pretty much the Democrat version of the repealing Obamacare bills that the Republicans keep trying. They know it's going to fail, but they keep going for it anyways. 16:27 <@oddball> And yes, I realize me buying high capacity mags simply because someone says I shouldn't be able to is a childish act. 16:29 < RangerZ> I have no problem with you buying hi cap mags 16:29 < RangerZ> you just shouldn't be allowed to buy/posses gun powder 16:29 < RangerZ> problem solved ;) 16:30 <@oddball> yeah yeah... fuck you. 16:30 < RangerZ> nothing in the constitution says anything about 'gun powder' only 'arms' 16:30 <@Dagmar> http://nashville.craigslist.org/mod/4851555705.html <-- why does it have to be WHITE 16:30 < PigBot`> Title: **Sprint Galaxy S4** (at nashville.craigslist.org) 16:31 <@Dagmar> I will almost certainly wind up buying one off eBay this weekend at this rate 16:32 < RangerZ> Dagmar: what is wrong with your S3? 16:32 <@benthemeek> doh I didnt think of that 16:32 <@benthemeek> I dont think modnoc has been to a meeting last year 16:32 <@benthemeek> he was more frequent in other years 16:32 <@benthemeek> he was at phreaknic though. Helped me clean up 16:32 <@benthemeek> You would know him if you saw him 16:32 <@benthemeek> older guy with glasses and a goatee 16:33 <@benthemeek> or at least a mustache 16:33 <@benthemeek> my memory is fiuzzy 16:33 < RangerZ> corydon? 16:33 < RangerZ> hehe 16:33 <@benthemeek> Short grey hair 16:33 <@benthemeek> lies down a lot durring talks spread across chairs 16:33 <@benthemeek> and takes off his shoes a lot too I think 16:33 < RangerZ> still sounds like corydon 16:34 < RangerZ> hehe 16:37 < RangerZ> but thats fine, if they meet the requirements 16:37 < RangerZ> and aren't crazypants 16:37 <@Dagmar> Ranger: 1. it's getting old. 2. the OpenGL support is still iffy causing it to reboot at "exciting" times 16:37 <@benthemeek> If amber actually shows tonight I will be surprised 16:37 <@benthemeek> If she does I am tempted to print these tweets from yesterday and bring it 16:37 < RangerZ> is 'being present' a requirement for running? 16:37 <@Dagmar> If I went back to TouchWiz it would probably stop, but then i'd also have to deal with Sprint's crapwere 16:38 < RangerZ> b/c I don't want to exclude her from running and NOT others 16:38 <@benthemeek> No I dont think 16:38 <@Dagmar> I don't give a damn about NASCAR and I don't give a damn about Sprint's "special offers" 16:38 < RangerZ> my entire 'throwing my hat in' is to stop her from getting a position, and I'm fine with openly saying that 16:38 <@oddball> benthemeek: dooo eeeeet 16:38 <@Dagmar> I also don't want to have to reboot hte damn phone to flip between 4G and 3G. 16:38 <@benthemeek> But I sent an email to all the officers last night around 1 am with a link to her twitter asking everyone to read it and see if this is something thye want associated with our group 16:39 < RangerZ> benthemeek: search 'nerdboy || nerd boy' 16:39 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: Irritatingly, that could be said of a lot of us, but not to quite the same degree 16:39 < RangerZ> those alone... should give pause 16:39 <@benthemeek> Rangerz according to yesterday she got rape threats from us 16:39 <@Dagmar> What? 16:39 < RangerZ> benthemeek: yeah she's said that for a long time now 16:40 < RangerZ> but she refuses to say 'who' or 'when' 16:40 <@Dagmar> I'll just wait until she says that in front of me and call her a liar to her face. 16:40 <@oddball> benthemeek: See... here's the thing. Some of your fellow officers/their minions believe that shit. 16:40 <@benthemeek> I think there was so joke about NotLarry putting her in a box and shipped her to NJ 16:40 <@Dagmar> Pics or it didn't happen 16:40 < RangerZ> benthemeek: we joke about her NOT being able to get laid 16:40 <@benthemeek> she has accused him of it on her twitter before 16:40 < RangerZ> there IS a differende 16:40 < RangerZ> ce* 16:40 <@Dagmar> benthemeek: I guess it's too complex for her to understand that was a threat against Wilbur 16:41 <@benthemeek> I am just done with the madness. If she some how gets on the board... I dont know what I will do 16:42 <@benthemeek> But I don't want to be a part of anythign she is associated with with. 16:43 <@benthemeek> If I need to dig up all these statements and show them to Dru because he hasnt read them for himself I will 16:43 < RangerZ> benthemeek: I don't like alex jones-level of ideas... but her being PUT here to destroy the org... isn't _impossible_ 16:44 <@oddball> benthemeek: He'll cover his eyes and scream "lies! lies!" 16:44 < RangerZ> oddball: maybe... but I'll give him the benefit of the doubt 16:44 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: That it's not impossible is probably the most irritating thing about it 16:44 <@oddball> I've tried that already. 16:45 <@benthemeek> I would like to say that I tried as hard as anyone/more than most to be her friend and be understanding. She is just out of control and attention seeking. Its a dangerous idea to have her in our leadership 16:45 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: Link to these rape threat tweets? 16:45 <@oddball> Here's one: https://twitter.com/anarchival/status/563361984775614464 16:45 < PigBot`> Title: anarchival on Twitter: ""I just want to help bring the Con back to its former glory and grow our membership and strengthen its financial future."*rape threats*" (at twitter.com) 16:46 <@benthemeek> You mean the actual things she took as rape threats? 16:46 <@benthemeek> you will want to get Bahhumbugs server logs and grep out anarchival 16:46 < _NSAKEY> I looked for "rape" in her recent tweets and didnt see anything. 16:46 <@oddball> OH... the *actual* threats... yeah... that's a hell of a lot harder to find. 16:46 <@Dagmar> I have an odd question 16:46 <@Dagmar> Who still pays long-distance fees for phone calls? 16:46 < _NSAKEY> No, I just want the actual accusation on Twitter. 16:46 < RangerZ> Dagmar: shoot... (figure of speech) 16:46 < _NSAKEY> Not the threats themselves. 16:47 <@oddball> Dagmar: Folks with land lines? 16:47 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: Follow my link 16:47 <@Dagmar> How many of those people come to PN? 16:47 < RangerZ> Dagmar: land line people 16:47 <@benthemeek> https://twitter.com/anarchival/status/563361984775614464 16:47 < PigBot`> Title: anarchival on Twitter: ""I just want to help bring the Con back to its former glory and grow our membership and strengthen its financial future."*rape threats*" (at twitter.com) 16:47 <@klixa> NotLarry and wilpig have both talked about shipping me in a box to NJ too, i wasnt aware i was supposed to feel threatened by that :/ 16:47 <@Mirage> WTF..91.2k tweets?! Does she do anything else? 16:47 <@oddball> Dagmar: Last year? I think official number was 150, with actual attendance being more like 100. 16:47 < _NSAKEY> Downloading her timeline now. 16:48 <@Dagmar> No, I mean who that comes to PN actually has a land line and no cell phone? 16:48 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: Want me to add it to the stack of printed stuff I'm bringing to the meeting? 16:48 <@Mirage> klixa: taken at it's most basic form, a car is just a box with wheels 16:48 <@Mirage> its.. 16:48 <@Dagmar> Pardon me while I call the bitch out 16:48 <@Mirage> lemme alone 16:48 < _NSAKEY> I'm bringing the solar death ray to tonight's meeting. 16:48 <@benthemeek> Gah that middle school teacher asked her about that tweet 16:48 < aestetix> uh 16:48 <@benthemeek> I liked the middle school teacher and now someone is influenced by her lies 16:49 < aestetix> When was PN's former glory? 16:49 < aestetix> I find it odd she says that given that I've never met her. 16:49 <@benthemeek> If she hadn't blocked me on twitter I would call her out on that 16:49 <@Dagmar> ...and yes, I *did* just call her out 16:49 < RangerZ> here is some better writing than the things she makes up https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dxu_-OwezwA 16:49 < PigBot`> Title: Fifty Shades of Grey - "Christian shows Ana the playroom" Clip - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 16:49 <@Dagmar> If someone did threaten like that, I'll address _them_ next 16:49 < _NSAKEY> snake@lofty-castle ~/twitter/timelines $ grep -E '([Nn]erd [Bb]oy|[Nn]erd[Bb]oy)' anarchival | wc -l 16:49 <@klixa> benthemeek: calling her out would make her more credible, cause youd seem like a bully 16:50 < _NSAKEY> 53 16:50 <@Mirage> A lot of people look back quite fondly to PN5 as the pinacle of fun..of course that was largely due to the fact that we could destroy the motel all we wanted and noone would care 16:50 <@Dagmar> We will _handle_ this shit instead of just playing a victim card and no one doing anything 16:50 < aestetix> Mirage: PN5 *was* fun. 16:50 <@klixa> the problem is EVERYONE in her twitter is too dumb to realise she is an attention whore...even though its obvious 16:50 < aestetix> I rmeember the strobe lights and smoke generators in the hallway 16:50 <@klixa> on* 16:51 <@klixa> only attention whores, liars, and othe rmaipulative people say the kinds of things she says 16:51 <@klixa> but, when you are blunt and call people like that out, you look like the aggressive insane one 16:51 <@benthemeek> Can someone point to her wanting to rape the guy with a broken bottle. Did anyone that that seriously? 16:51 < aestetix> also the giant tesla coi 16:51 <@Mirage> aestetix: two things that were _very_ important to remember while drunk: 1. Do _NOT_ jump in the swimming pool. 2. Watch that first step when going to the balcony 16:51 < aestetix> hahah 16:51 <@Dagmar> benthemeek; Being that I've seen it I'm sure *someone* else had the sense to take a screenshot of it 16:51 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: That tweet is long gone, unless someone has a screenshot or some twitter scraper website has it. 16:52 < _NSAKEY> But you do bring up a good point. 16:52 < _NSAKEY> Since she wrote a novella citing her accomplishments, she should also tell us why she was banned from all the groups you guys say she has been banned from. 16:52 < aestetix> Mirage: but unless there's another motel about to be ripped down, I'm not sure it's possible to return PN to its former glory 16:52 <@benthemeek> She carried a knife around at phreaknic because she "felt threatened for her life" 16:52 < _NSAKEY> Personally, I don't want someone who has upset a bunch of outside people like that representing us. 16:53 < aestetix> Honestly she is starting to remind me of Carolyn Meinel. 16:53 <@benthemeek> Once upon a time I thought her outside influences in other groups was a good thing (like the Python teaching middle school teacher who wanted to come to phreaknic) 16:54 <@oddball> benthemeek: Really. (about the knife) 16:54 <@benthemeek> Yes 16:54 <@benthemeek> She apparently takes every thing said in this channel in all seriousness 16:54 <@benthemeek> hence what she things are rape threats 16:55 < _NSAKEY> benthemeek: PM. 16:55 < RangerZ> benthemeek: until she LOST all that 'outside influence' when SHE threatened to anally rape a guy with a dildo and a broken off beer bottle... on twitter.. ohh the guy was the head of said python con... 16:55 <@oddball> I'm most definately not against someone carrying a weapon "just 'cause," but I'm guessing she was under the belief that Dagmar (or another one of us) might do something to her. 16:55 < aestetix> .... 16:55 <@Mirage> benthemeek: which is funny because most of us barely take ourselves seriously, let alone anyone else in channel 16:55 < RangerZ> or PHP con... or something 16:55 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: She had a talk killed at bsides nashville last year because of it, apparently. 16:56 < RangerZ> yeah 16:56 < RangerZ> she got blacklisted with every con related to that one 16:56 <@oddball> hmmm.... with the possibility of her showing up, I may be drinking a coke instead of a beer at the meeting tonight. 16:56 <@klixa> thats why i like this channel... you can joke about stuff and people dont pretebd you mean it liteerally to be a bitch to you 16:56 < RangerZ> and one night when she was drunk and before she started ranting... admitted thats the only reason she latched onto PN 16:56 <@oddball> Because, yes, I believe her to be unstable. 16:57 < RangerZ> oddball: yeah... police are more likely to believe the sober people... 16:57 <@klixa> borderline personality disorder...if yuou people wanna understand maber, google that...tahts whats wrong with her 16:57 < RangerZ> also... easier to defend yourself 16:57 <@klixa> espeically gaslighting and delusional thinking aspects of it 16:57 <@oddball> Oh... there's a very specific legal reason I'd be avoiding alcohol. 16:57 <@Mirage> oddball: I still maintain that all women are inherently psychotic. 16:58 <@oddball> Well, everyone that I've dated has been crazy. 16:58 <@Mirage> oddball: _before_ dating you? 16:58 <@Mirage> =) 16:58 <@oddball> I still love how one ex told me that she wished I could date a sane girl for once. 16:59 <@oddball> When I reminded her that I dated her, she responded "and I was crazy!" 16:59 < aestetix> wait what 16:59 <@klixa> oddball: like attracts like... ergo you are insane :P 16:59 < RangerZ> oddball: i'm pretty sure we've all been told that... wait... 16:59 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: who had a talk kiled at bsides nashvile? 16:59 <@benthemeek> Amber 16:59 < RangerZ> aestetix: crazypants 16:59 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Amber was supposed to speak last year, but it got pulled. 16:59 < aestetix> wait why did it get pulled 17:00 < RangerZ> threatening a con organizer with anal rape on twitter will do that... 17:00 < aestetix> wow 17:00 < aestetix> hahahahahah 17:00 <@Mirage> aestetix: as a public service to attendees? 17:00 < aestetix> and she's pushing a Code of Conduct? 17:00 <@oddball> RangerZ: Oh, not "I was crazy for dating you," it was "I was crazy while I was dating you." 17:00 < RangerZ> oddball: I knew EXACTLY how you meant it ;) 17:00 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: She threatened to rape some organizer of another con with a broken beer bottle on twitter. 17:01 < _NSAKEY> That guy got her blackballed from every non-PN con in the area, according to what others have said. 17:01 <@klixa> well i know that there was one man trying to prey on amber, so its not *all* in her head 17:01 <@Dagmar> That is a desperate man 17:02 <@benthemeek> Who? Someone from our group? 17:02 <@oddball> Was his name Dru? :p 17:02 <@Mirage> klixa: you *know* from personal experience, or from hearsay? 17:02 <@klixa> im not saying anythign else...just saying its not all in here head 17:03 < RangerZ> her cousin is who slept with first... and she gets drunk~ish off a few beers... and starts talking LOUDLY about it at JJs 17:03 < _NSAKEY> Oh my god. She tweeted about that once, RangerZ. 17:03 <@Mirage> RangerZ: she from KY originally? 17:03 <@Mirage> If so, that's expected. 17:03 < RangerZ> lets put it this way... Evilpig has had sex more recently than she has... 17:03 < RangerZ> no offense Evilpig 17:04 <@klixa> RangerZ: theres men out there that would take advanatge of her being crazy (knowig that no one would believe her or take her seriusoulsly) 17:05 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0 17:05 < PigBot`> Title: That Mitchell and Webb Look: Homeopathic A - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 17:05 < RangerZ> thats sad, but i'm not arguing 17:05 <@oddball> And that there are a number of guys that will come foward and say "yeah, the crazy bitch claims I raped her once." 17:06 <@Dagmar> Words can't express how happy I am she tweeted that yesterday 17:07 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: Why is that? 17:07 <@Dagmar> Read down for my reply https://twitter.com/anarchival/status/563361984775614464 17:07 < PigBot`> Title: anarchival on Twitter: ""I just want to help bring the Con back to its former glory and grow our membership and strengthen its financial future."*rape threats*" (at twitter.com) 17:08 <@Dagmar> dafuq is up with twitter duplicating tweets 17:08 <@Evilpig> restore it to former glory through bad deals that rape the treasury? 17:09 <@Dagmar> It showsd my two tweets twice about fifteen minutes apart 17:09 <@Mirage> Dagmar: I'm sure won't be suprised by this, but I found and had to correct several errors in the CA Nimsoft Java SDK, escalated the issues to their engineering team who gave me the SDK, and have essentially forced them to withdraw the current SDK from their offering until it can be fixed next week. 17:09 <@oddball> Let's see... profitable con with operating costs in the bank to $6k in the hole in one year... yep... that's "helping." 17:10 <@Dagmar> Good. 17:10 <@Mirage> Dagmar: And also equally unsuprising, the engineers will be sending me the inital release to QA before publishing it on their support page 17:10 <@Dagmar> specially if it resulted in bad signing 17:10 <@Dagmar> I was asking aobut the land line thing because I noticed there's a 1-888 number of the cards I had 17:10 <@Dagmar> er on the cards 17:10 <@Dagmar> We should probably be a bit more modern (and cheap-assed) than that 17:10 < RangerZ> Mirage: I have a company you need to get in touch with : Oracle ;) 17:10 <@Dagmar> lol 17:11 <@Mirage> They use a plugin called genzip-plugin.jar, but have done some custom mods to it to perform their password encrytion on the final probe package, which is a zip file. 17:12 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Okay. this is somewhat insane. Lemme make sure I'm runnign the version I think I am by repushing 17:12 <@Mirage> Part of the buld requires the normal google plug-ins from guava-18 and some requires guava-16 17:13 <@Dagmar> I'm watching two static variables in the same scope, one keeps repeatedly reinitializing 17:13 <@Dagmar> What the absolute fuck 17:13 <@Evilpig> jesus people. i'm not reading back over the last 4 hours. someone gimme highlights that don't involve shipping crazypants up here or her anally raping someone with a broken beer bottle 17:14 <@Dagmar> Some of us have to run for board positions tonight 17:14 <@oddball> aw hell... I'm tempted to register to Twitter just to respond to some of this shit. 17:14 <@Mirage> Evilpig: you forgot the bit about sex w/ cousins being the expected norm in KY 17:14 <@Evilpig> I've got some hot cousins. how far separated are we talking? heh 17:14 <@Mirage> Evilpig: so which movie did you wind up seeing? 17:14 <@Dagmar> ...and Crazypants has apparently finally made a claim of rape threats in public where we can begin addressing either the lie, or addressing whoever made them 17:14 <@Dagmar> I'm not letting this shit go 17:15 <@Evilpig> nor should you 17:15 <@Evilpig> her insanity should be ridiculed until she up and leaves 17:15 <@Dagmar> We're not going to sit on our damn hands and spend all day whining about it 17:15 <@Dagmar> Imma fuckin' punish someone 17:16 <@Dagmar> I'm sure I'm going to catch hell for "Oh my god how dare you say anyone's making something so serious up" 17:16 <@oddball> Because I'm too lazy to register with the Twitters, you should ask her how going from $3k in the bank to $6k in the hole in one year is "strenghthening its financial future?" 17:16 <@Dagmar> ...or at least, I'm pretty sure someone's going to be dumb enough to _try_ that 17:16 <@Dagmar> I will stand up for the rights of rational, reasonable people. 17:17 <@Dagmar> ...and possibly punch someone in their mouth, but we'll see about that. That's a very slim possibility that would invovle someone actually having made a rape threat and then doubling down when I call _them_ on it 17:17 <@Dagmar> They can complain to their parents for not having raised them properly. 17:17 <@klixa> Mirage: the person preying in amber told me themselves 17:17 <@klixa> Mirage: in repsonse to yoru question 17:17 <@klixa> on* 17:18 <@Evilpig> klixa: was it me? was it me? 17:18 <@Evilpig> am I stalking the crazy bitch? 17:18 <@klixa> Evilpig: you know damn well it was you, you POS 17:18 <@klixa> lol 17:18 < _NSAKEY> I'll see you guys at the meeting. 17:18 <@Evilpig> heh 17:18 <@Dagmar> If she's _truly_ insane, she'll claim it was _me_ who made those threats. 17:18 <@Dagmar> ...and I'll have her ass in court over it. 17:18 <@Dagmar> That's defamation of character at the very least 17:20 <@Dagmar> A judge will say quite a bit more than "pics or shens". 17:20 <@Dagmar> They tend to require proof. 17:21 <@Dagmar> Independently verifiable proof... not just some screenshot. 17:23 <@Dagmar> Some random sock puppet account isn't going to cut it either 17:24 <@Dagmar> If she can't tie that back to one of us, then she should shut the fuck up. 17:25 <@oddball> huh... your "pics or shens" comment has disapeared. 17:28 <@Evilpig> #se2600.2014-01-24.log:23:39 <@anarchival> SuMo_D: Yes. There was some ado on Twitter between me and the keynote speaker at a small local tech conference back in August, over some rape apologetics he was posting on his blog. Anyway, I got banned from speaking or even attending at the conference. 17:28 <@Dagmar> oddball: Yeah. Twitter dupilcated it and the other comment 17:28 <@Dagmar> I deleted the first one figuring maybe my browser had screwed up, and _both_ instances of it went away 17:29 <@Dagmar> Ths second one reverted to only showing once. 17:29 <@Dagmar> No idea WTF was going on there 17:29 <@Dagmar> THey even showed different timestamps fifteen minutes apart 17:29 <@Dagmar> Probably PrivacyBadger interfering with the local view of the timeline 17:30 <@oddball> gotcha 17:36 <@Dagmar> This thing better NPE 17:38 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: squeeeee, thank you 17:38 < RangerZ> https://twitter.com/anarchival/status/563424169329963009 unfortunately it isn't her email to the list or her twitter... :/ 17:38 < PigBot`> Title: anarchival on Twitter: "My email is down. Its a mercy." (at twitter.com) 17:39 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: what did I do this time? 17:39 <@Shadow404> your reply to her 17:41 <@Evilpig> crazy bitch is crazy 17:41 < RangerZ> her reply "Since" 17:42 < RangerZ> corydon says you have to have paid 'this' year to vote 17:44 <@Shadow404> Since you feel comfortable giving cause for libel, please provide me the name 17:44 <@Shadow404> and address for your attorney. Otherwise I will gladly serve you at your place 17:44 <@Shadow404> of employment. 17:44 <@Shadow404> anarchival 17:44 <@Shadow404> lawl 17:48 <@Dagmar> I see no reply 17:49 <@Evilpig> that was a partial reply that she sent to me 17:50 <@Dagmar> Ah okay 17:50 <@Dagmar> because I was about to say maybe we could get a bulk rate since she's effectively making an accusation against a group of which I am a member 17:51 <@Evilpig> I'm done with the games 17:51 < aestetix> wow 17:51 < aestetix> email list is exciting today 17:51 <@Evilpig> I'm waiting on francis right now. someone called them at noon looking to talk to diane 17:51 <@Evilpig> surprise bitches! diane isn't the one you need to talk to 17:52 <@Dolemite> So which part of it was libel? 17:52 <@Dolemite> I'm so confused 17:53 <@Dolemite> Is she pissed that you're only talking about her getting kicked out of Nashville tech groups? 17:53 < aestetix> I wonder what her libel charge is over. 17:53 <@Dolemite> I mean, the broken bottle thing was a tweet, right? 17:54 <@Evilpig> the rape allegation 17:54 <@Evilpig> yes it was and I can't find the damn thing now 17:54 <@Evilpig> I wish I had saved it 17:54 <@Evilpig> I remember we all had a huge laugh over it 17:54 < RangerZ> ok... who runs bsides nashville? 17:54 <@Dolemite> irc logs? 17:54 <@Evilpig> there was a tweet and a blog post about it 17:54 <@Evilpig> I grepped the logs 17:54 < RangerZ> we need to get them to chime in 17:54 <@Dolemite> RangerZ: DigiEars 17:54 <@Evilpig> I swear it was dealing with cal evans 17:54 <@Dolemite> Geoff Collins 17:55 -!- Genphlux [~Genphlux@adsl-98-66-38-122.mem.bellsouth.net] has quit [Quit: This computer has gone to sleep] 17:55 <@Evilpig> I'd swear it was like nashville php something or other 17:55 <@Evilpig> it was something I had looked at going to initially 17:58 <@Evilpig> #se2600.2014-01-03.log:00:56 <@anarchival> I guess I'd rather risk being banned for threatening to rape some dudes with a dildo when the revolution comes, than creating a con that very few women want to attend because dudes feel there aren't any consequences for harassing them. 17:58 <@Evilpig> 00:24 <@anarchival> I was scheduled to speak this year, on Elixir. I got banned a couple weeks ahead of time. 17:59 < aestetix> .... 17:59 <@Dolemite> So the broken bottle part is the libel 18:00 <@Dolemite> It was clearly a dildo 18:00 <@Evilpig> not libel if the intention wasn't present 18:00 <@Evilpig> memory can be flawed 18:00 <@Evilpig> however.. that being said. 18:00 <@Evilpig> http://se2600.org/irclogs/%23se2600.2014-01-03.log 18:00 <@Dolemite> She's almost a lawyer 18:00 <@Evilpig> context 18:00 <@Dolemite> You should be skerred 18:00 < aestetix> How can you be almost a lawyer. 18:00 < aestetix> lol 18:00 <@Evilpig> you flunk out of law school. duh 18:01 <@Evilpig> or you're on the internet 18:01 <@Evilpig> meet either point and you're almost a lawyer 18:01 <@Dolemite> Lucky she decided to go for that Doctorate in Theology from the "Pay us for credentials" place 18:01 < RangerZ> aestetix: she "decided to -not- take the bar exam" 18:02 < aestetix> RangerZ: does she have a law degree? 18:02 < RangerZ> shhhhh 18:02 < RangerZ> lol 18:02 <@Evilpig> https://philsturgeon.uk/blog/2013/07/great-battle-wrong-field/ 18:02 < PigBot`> Title: Great Battle, Wrong Field (at philsturgeon.uk) 18:02 <@Dolemite> I like that she didn't spell her "alma mater" for her doctorate correctly 18:02 < RangerZ> she stopped going to her law degree classes b/c she "decided to not take the bar exam" 18:03 <@oddball> aestetix: If she does, she didn't pass the bar anywhere. 18:03 <@Dolemite> It's the Esoteric Theological Seminary, not the Esoteric Theology Seminary. Anybody who put in the effort for any post-grad studies would actually know to get the name right. 18:03 <@Dolemite> I'm almost a black belt, but I decided not to take the exam 18:04 <@Dolemite> Or like, lose 100 pounds so that I could physically do it 18:04 <@Dolemite> But I'm almost a black belt 18:04 <@Evilpig> https://twitter.com/anarchival/status/360471322943434753 18:04 < PigBot`> Title: anarchival on Twitter: "I imagine @philsturgeon has raped at least one woman in his lifetime. Probably more." (at twitter.com) 18:04 <@oddball> ok, time for me to head to the meeting. 18:04 <@Evilpig> oddball: take pics! 18:04 <@Evilpig> and a bat for security 18:05 < aestetix> Yeah when I saw the name of the seminary red flags popped up 18:05 <@Dolemite> Now is when we see what Board of Directors Nashville 2600 truly deserves. 18:05 <@Evilpig> maybe some mace 18:05 <@Dolemite> No matter the vote, it will get what it deserves 18:08 < aestetix> ok I just voiced my support for the board nominations 18:09 < RangerZ> this is easy... just talk to the head of bsides nashville... and get their input 18:09 <@Dagmar> I'm bringing my "business gloves" 18:10 < aestetix> did my email hit yet? 18:11 <@Dolemite> not my inbox 18:12 < aestetix> huh 18:12 < aestetix> Evilpig: did you get it? 18:12 <@Evilpig> not yet. dealing with work shit 18:12 <@Evilpig> gotta prepare them for an angry person coming to deliver me papers 18:12 <@Evilpig> lol 18:13 < aestetix> hahah 18:15 <@Dolemite> Angry beaver? 18:15 < aestetix> I wonder if my email got bounced 18:15 <@Dolemite> By the way, today is National FroYo Day. Free froyo at Menchie's. 18:16 <@Dolemite> So I'm taking the family right now. Later, kids. :) 18:17 -!- dfused [~dfused@64.203.232.38.dyn-cm-pool-36.pool.hargray.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:23 <@Evilpig> dru contacted francis today 18:32 <@Bahhumbug> I kinda wish that crazy bitch would name me in some of her allegations so I could have the pleasure of legally destroying her. 18:33 <@klixa> shed just plead insanity...and it woudlnt even be a lie 18:33 <@Bahhumbug> That's not going to cut it. She has a history of slander/libel. 18:33 <@Bahhumbug> And as it's a civil case she wouldn't be able to use that as a defense in any event. 18:34 <@klixa> she needs psychiatric help... but before that woudl happen she needs outed and forced to be accountable 18:34 <@klixa> she still has many people foooled 18:34 <@Bahhumbug> I saw her mail to the list and was simply shocked she would have the audacity to place her name in the ring for the board. 18:35 < RangerZ> heading to JJs (indirectly) so signing off... 18:35 <@klixa> keep us updated RangerZ lol 18:35 < RangerZ> and I realized... they DO sell popcorn there 18:35 < RangerZ> pre-popped and cheddar flavored 18:35 < RangerZ> lol 18:35 <@Evilpig> who likes invoices!? 18:35 -!- dfused [~dfused@64.203.232.38.dyn-cm-pool-36.pool.hargray.net] has joined #se2600 18:35 <@klixa> ok so im a little confused...there was an officer election a few motnhs ago, and now theres a board election? was there a board before or is this new? 18:35 <@klixa> how many board mebers will there be 18:35 <@klixa> etc etc 18:36 < RangerZ> 'was' there, but never really filled 18:36 < RangerZ> like it should have been 18:36 <@Evilpig> there was an oversight board but the president claimed it to be illegal within the confines of the bylaws and refused to acknowledge it 18:36 <@Evilpig> elonka is using the "broken" bylaws to get an actual board, not just an oh shit button board in place to wrest control 18:37 <@klixa> how many members will it have 18:37 <@Evilpig> 4 18:37 <@klixa> are more than 4 running? 18:37 <@Bahhumbug> Your mail server sucks. 18:37 <@Evilpig> doubtful. 18:37 <@Bahhumbug> Nothing personal, but it's slow. 18:37 <@Evilpig> it's chewing on alot of shit 18:37 <@klixa> so odds are amber will be on the board then? 18:37 <@Bahhumbug> No. 18:37 <@Evilpig> no hcance in hell 18:37 <@Bahhumbug> That's not going to happen. 18:38 <@klixa> well if theres 4 positions and not many people running.. 18:38 * Dickie sighs 18:38 <@Dickie> I'll do it 18:38 <@Bahhumbug> 3 positions are open. 18:38 <@Bahhumbug> She will not get one of those 18:38 <@Bahhumbug> She has burned too many bridges. 18:39 <@Bahhumbug> The whole raving lunatic thing does that. 18:39 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: Check me on that. It's a 4-position board with John Eldredge having one spot already so 3 positions are open, right? 18:40 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@DHCP-129-59-122-54.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:41 <@Evilpig> correct 18:41 <@Evilpig> however, as he thinks he is currently running for a position I think that shows his incompetence and he should forfeit his seat 18:41 <@klixa> lol 18:43 <@Evilpig> there it goes 18:45 < aestetix> oh I see why my email didn't go through 18:46 <@Evilpig> I got yours, I thought 18:46 <@Evilpig> but you sent it to me. 18:47 < aestetix> there we go 18:47 < aestetix> my .com is not on the list only my gmail 18:47 <@Evilpig> Feb 6 18:47:27 hosting sqlgrey: grey: new: 74.208.4(74.208.4.194), srs0=cs1d=cy=gmail.com=aestetix@srs.perfora.net -> wilbur@wilpig.org 18:47 <@Evilpig> you got caught in tar 18:48 <@Evilpig> Recipient address rejected: Greylisted for 5 minutes; 18:48 < aestetix> wtf 18:48 <@Evilpig> I delay all mail by 5 minutes until you get auto-whitelisted on like your third message 18:48 < aestetix> lol 18:48 <@Evilpig> most of the spambots don't try to resend 18:49 <@Evilpig> they're like virgins on prom night, they dump and run 18:49 < aestetix> so my email will go through in 5 minutes? 18:49 <@Evilpig> yup 18:49 <@Evilpig> proper email servers get the 430 or whever error I kick back and retry generally after five minutes and then the message is allowed 18:50 <@Evilpig> and here's the one I sent earlier 18:51 <@Evilpig> apparently it was getting chewed on by microsoft 18:51 <@Evilpig> Feb 6 18:50:43 hosting postfix/qmgr[2619]: 08F3A3C0355: from=, size=4959, nrcpt=1 (queue active) 18:51 <@Evilpig> Feb 6 18:50:43 hosting postfix/smtpd[9126]: disconnect from mail-by2on0102.outbound.protection.outlook.com[207.46.100.102] 18:51 <@Evilpig> Feb 6 18:50:43 hosting postfix/local[9604]: 08F3A3C0355: to=, orig_to=, relay=local, delay=3.4, delays=3.2/0.01/0/0.26, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (delivered to command: /usr/lib/mailman/mail/mailman post root) 18:53 < aestetix> there we go 18:53 <@Evilpig> for all of you that hadn't seen the invoice yet 18:56 < aestetix> you should put lemur on the board 18:57 < aestetix> then you could tell everyone OBEY LEMUR 19:34 <@oddball> hmmm.... _NSAKEY isn't here 19:39 -!- klixa [~klixa@unaffiliated/klixa] has quit [Quit: bleh] 19:42 <@Evilpig> oddball: he said he was coming 19:43 <@Evilpig> 17:18 <_NSAKEY> I'm about to head out the door, so I'll just offer to send it to anyone who asks for it I think. 19:43 <@Evilpig> that was an hour and half ago 19:43 <@Evilpig> err two and a half. I can't math 19:44 <@Evilpig> I just got hit on facebook by someone saying "watching the se2600 list and this is me http://media.giphy.com/media/ftXvsSyRzKXXG/giphy.gif" 19:45 <@oddball> heh 20:27 <@oddball> Evilpig: Dru says that he's already told them that the check is in the mail. 20:27 <@Evilpig> actually what he told them was that the check was already in the mail and cleared the bank 20:28 <@Evilpig> but he didn't have the cleared check to prove it 20:28 <@oddball> The current story is that they are going to look for the check and notify him if they can't find it Monday. 20:29 <@Evilpig> I'd also follow that up with how in the world did it get to the point where they had to call me to get someone to talk to them about this bill? 20:29 <@Evilpig> or why he couldn't be bothered to contact me to tell me that he's working on it? 20:29 <@Evilpig> oh wait I forgot... he emailed me. didn't he? 20:33 <@oddball> pfft. You know how he is and and email. 20:33 <@Evilpig> I know. he emailed me and I ignored him 20:34 <@Evilpig> I remember 20:36 <@Evilpig> if you really want to see him flip. you can tell him I said "it'd be nice to get a thank you for bringing this issue to their attention" BAHAHAHAHA 21:03 -!- strages [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-jnzalludbpiiavwe] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:03 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-evootrkelbwffhfi] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:06 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@DHCP-129-59-122-54.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has joined #se2600 21:16 -!- Dolemite [~scott@h96-60-248-228.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:16 -!- Dolemite [~scott@h96-60-248-228.cncrtn.dsl.dynamic.tds.net] has joined #se2600 21:16 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Dolemite] by ChanServ 21:20 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TdOQCZ-ysk 21:20 < PigBot`> Title: Netflix Developing Zelda Live-Action Series - GS News Update - YouTube (at www.youtube.com) 21:21 <@Evilpig> well RangerZ, who's it gonna be? 21:21 < RangerZ> amber, dink, elridge, and peaches 21:21 <@Evilpig> you've got to be shitting me 21:22 < RangerZ> (yes yes... I'm sorry... that was just trolling...) It is Elonka, Dink, Elridge, and Peaches 21:22 <@Evilpig> that isn't much better 21:22 < RangerZ> it is better 21:22 <@Evilpig> Dink was party to the faulty contract 21:22 <@Evilpig> eldridge signed off on it 21:22 <@Evilpig> peaches is fucking tilghman 21:23 < RangerZ> here is the thing though, they are scared of elonka 21:23 < RangerZ> so that should keep it in line for now 21:23 <@Evilpig> did dagmar at least go off on crazypants trying to get a seat? 21:24 < RangerZ> no need, it was obvious that she had a very small voting block 21:24 <@Evilpig> oh well. at least I can look forward to that lawsuit from her 21:25 < RangerZ> but honestly, no reason to worry, best to just leave it alone at this point 21:25 < RangerZ> and be done with it 21:25 <@Evilpig> assuming I get no more collection calls I won't have to 21:36 <@NotLarry> I swear, last meeting ever 21:53 < RangerZ> NotLarry: what? amber bitching at both you and benthemeek about her being threatened with rape in ...may... or something 21:54 < RangerZ> let the record state... no one is fucking stupid enough to fuck her with a borrowed dick... let alone -force- it 21:56 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: knowing this channel is logged 10 times over I would gladly pay someone to fuck her face with a jackhammer, willingly or by force. that's a death threat! and this might be sarcasm, just for those greping later 21:57 < RangerZ> look, she needs to find someone to love... perhaps her and nerdboy can finally get together... just so that she can calm the fuck down 22:02 -!- klixa-cloud [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-cditxofwvbavceke] has joined #se2600 22:02 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa-cloud] by ChanServ 22:07 -!- strages [sid11297@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uchlhwqckdikicdf] has joined #se2600 22:07 -!- EnabrinTain [sid11525@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tknrfnlrzrmqdiln] has joined #se2600 22:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o EnabrinTain] by ChanServ 22:09 < RangerZ> Look, I really don't give a rat's ass about her feelings. Females/Males go around making threats of rape don't get a voice in my opnion, and if she thinks a joke NotLarry made was a threat, then she needs to make it aware and have him appologize for hurting her feelnigs NOT keep throwing accusations without saying WHAT was said 22:10 <@Dolemite> All I can say is that Nashville 2600 has the board that it deserves 22:11 < RangerZ> it 'can'/'could be' fine in the future, but I think the key will be for them to do their thing and for us to not touch it one way or the other 22:12 <@Evilpig> that board is ridiculous 22:12 <@Dolemite> Like I said, it's the board that Nashville 2600 deserves 22:12 <@Dolemite> Elonka is the only useful one on it 22:12 < RangerZ> maybe show up to PN, but otherwise, just leave Amber (aka 'crazypants' aka 'the troll' aka 'the green goblin') alone 22:13 < RangerZ> and let them do their thing, and hope they do 'well' 22:13 < RangerZ> so that it can be taken over again in a few years when dru runs away again 22:13 <@Dolemite> So did you get your financial records? 22:14 < RangerZ> or we get enough people to vote for someone else to be in charge 22:15 < RangerZ> Dolemite: not even gonna talk about it... lol... apparently the computer with them on it died... so Elonka is having them bring every paper to her house on sunday for an open airing, and re-digitization and put into a cloud backed digital service 22:16 <@Evilpig> wow... you're kidding? that's a big one to be fucking hiding 22:16 <@Dolemite> Hahahahahahahahahaha. 22:17 < RangerZ> which is "fine" (I'm being overly kind about it) and going to go above and beyond being considerate about it... and give them some more time... and if this isn't figured out to my liking within days after sunday... I'll be looking up the appropriate TN agencies to talk to 22:17 <@Dolemite> Hello? TN Secretary of State? I'd like to report a case of suspected financial negligence with a 501(c)3 non-profit corporation. 22:17 < RangerZ> Dolemite: I honestly have NO IDEA who you would call in TN about this 22:17 <@Dolemite> I can't say for sure, but you probably want to conduct an audit, because things sure are fishy. 22:17 < RangerZ> it would be the AG in ohio 22:18 <@Dolemite> RangerZ: I just stated it. The TN Secretary of State is who regulates corporations. 22:18 < RangerZ> ahh 22:18 <@Evilpig> comptroller of tn would be a good place to start 22:18 <@Dolemite> They can suspend the organization's charter. 22:18 <@Dolemite> Comptroller is in charge of the State's money, not other corporations. 22:18 <@Dolemite> My wife, who used to be a regulator with the TN Dept of Commerce, told me exactly who to call. 22:19 <@Dolemite> It's the TN Secretary of State 22:19 <@Dolemite> So in case you missed it 22:19 < RangerZ> well , they have been notified repeatedly that I would do this. I'm not into lobbying verbal threats in person. I just tell people what I'm going to do, and then do it 22:19 <@Dolemite> Call the TN Secretary of State 22:19 <@Dolemite> You can also call the IRS since they are a 501(c)3 22:19 <@Dolemite> which has a higher standard to live up to than a simply not-for-profit corporation 22:20 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: I've only dealth with the comptroller for the school shit so I knew they dealt with money for them I figured it was similar 22:31 <@Dolemite> Ok, well time to watch Arrow and then hit the sack. Later, kids. 22:32 -!- PeteDaGuru [~PeteDaGur@user-0c99bgh.cable.mindspring.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:35 <@Evilpig> later 22:35 <@Evilpig> I'm pruning code 22:35 <@Evilpig> and looking at a machine for work 22:39 < RangerZ> alright... heading home, later 22:39 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@DHCP-129-59-122-54.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:52 <@NotLarry> So, the office of Vice President is a fiction right? Isn't that what I heard tonight? 22:52 <@Evilpig> it's not an office required by the bylaws, yes 23:09 -!- npcomp [~eldon@c-24-126-240-124.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:10 -!- npcomp [~eldon@c-24-126-240-124.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600 23:16 <@Dagmar> That crazy woman wanted to start in on me at the restaurant 23:17 <@Dagmar> Suuure... Piss of Godzilla. Great plan, than 23:17 <@Dagmar> Damn I can't type for beans tonight 23:24 <@Dagmar> If there's one of "us" making rape threats, they're going to be on my shitlist in a rather serious way 23:25 <@Dagmar> ...but it's rather more likely it's just some random asshat, if it even happened at all. 23:25 <@Dagmar> I have _zero_ problems calling out that bullshit in public any way the cards fall 23:32 <@Dagmar> If she's got a name _I want it_ 23:37 <@Evilpig> there is no name 23:37 <@Dagmar> I don't think there is either, which is why I intend to make her redact that 23:37 <@Evilpig> once there is a name then there can be verification. if that happened then her lies would be proven as such 23:38 <@Dagmar> She might think it's funny to get people wound up over that crap, but I am not amused 23:39 <@Dagmar> I think she assumes she's going to be able to get away with trying to claim I'm some kind of denier 23:41 <@Dagmar> I think I'm not going to have any problem demonstrating that I don't those kind of threts from or to anyone 23:41 <@Dagmar> OOO she's trying to turn that she has my "real name" into a threat 23:42 <@Dagmar> Any halfwit with ten minutes and access to Google can dig that up 23:56 < _NSAKEY> ... And back. 23:56 < _NSAKEY> For the record, I was at the meeting. oddball just didn't match the face to the name at first. 23:56 <@oddball> Because I'm an idiot. 23:57 <@oddball> So... apparently this May thing is a go. 23:57 < _NSAKEY> I was going to blame the beer you said you weren't going to drink, but ok. 23:57 <@Dagmar> I still think it's a very bad idea but it's not my call to make. 23:58 <@Dagmar> If it fails horribly, I'm going to propose that we add verbiage explicitly defining the purpose of the organization as being only for having PhreakNIC, in the fall, once per year. 23:58 <@oddball> Even though there's no location, mayyybe money, and no advertisiment. 23:58 <@Evilpig> it's already stated as such 23:58 <@Dagmar> I don't notice it being in the bylaws anywhere 23:58 <@oddball> It's the mission statement of the org. 23:58 <@Evilpig> ^ 23:59 <@Dagmar> ...and it says PN is held once per year in the fall? 23:59 <@Evilpig> yup 23:59 <@Dagmar> Then we can put a complete halt to it 23:59 <@Evilpig> any sane person would have already 23:59 <@Dagmar> If Dru wants to throw something outside the reach of the organzation, he'll have to form his own organization --- Log closed Sat Feb 07 00:00:09 2015