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00:18 < RangerZ> so this story... is epic... the GOP leaders are flying to Isreal with a group/guy who thinks that jews don't have the right to religious freedom in the US, since "it is a christian nation"
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00:18 < RangerZ> and that jews need to convert to christianity before they move here....
00:19 < aestetix> ....
00:19 < aestetix> Is the guy's name Nero?
00:19 < RangerZ> ohh... its blowing up in political circles
00:19 < RangerZ> The American Family Association
00:20 < aestetix> I imagine they hate black people too.
00:20 < RangerZ> they had to fire their top spokesman, b/c he blames the nazi party's founding on 'the gays'
00:21 < RangerZ> so the 2nd guy they now have leading the group... calls mormons 'non-christians' (which lets be honest... they are NOT like every other "christian" sect)
00:21 < RangerZ> no other christian sect believes jesus is the brother to lucifer or that jeway(jewish name for 'god' sp?) is the father to both
00:23 < RangerZ> aestetix: but yeah... this is a political football
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00:28 < RangerZ> plus now BeBe's invitation to the full session of congress... is apparently getting him bad press in isreal...
00:28 < aestetix> has this guy not read the first amendment?
00:28 < aestetix> it doesn't matter if he thinks the us is a christian nation
00:28 < aestetix> freedom of worship is explicitly mentions
00:28 < aestetix> mentioned
00:28 < RangerZ> aestetix: freedom of religion only counts FOR christians... duh
00:28 < RangerZ> lol
00:28 < aestetix> ok then
00:56 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqkw-V_xbNU
00:56 < PigBot`> Title: Comcast Renames Disgruntle Customer “Asshole Brown” - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:56 < RangerZ> hehehehe
00:57 < RangerZ> "ONLY 2 years of service paid for"
00:58 <@Dagmar> lol
00:58 <@Dagmar> Someone is soooo fired
01:00 < RangerZ> "We're firing you 2 weeks ago... and we're sorry, you've been working illegally for the past 2 weeks, which means you aren't getting paid for those two weeks, and we're going to charge you for use of our phone system and electricity"
01:00 < RangerZ> lol
01:02 <@Dagmar> "You have already translated your store listing or APK into German and English (United Kingdom). Localized graphics could help these users better understand what your app does."
01:02 <@Dagmar> heheheeh
01:02 <@Dagmar> They're really assuming a lot based of the presence of the string "Dagmar"
01:04 <@Dagmar> Let this serve as a not-so-subtle reminder to people that I have a birthday next week
01:04 <@Dagmar> ...er week after next
01:04 < RangerZ> same day as 2600 meeting?
01:05 <@Dagmar> I am not fishing for presents or birthday wishes, I'm just warning you that traditionally there's been a greater than 50% chance the weather will turn icy
01:05 < RangerZ> wash your car too
01:05 < RangerZ> cement it
01:05 <@Dagmar> No.
01:06 <@Dagmar> Do you _really_ want to be without power and internet?
01:06 <@Dagmar> Remember when the ice storm ripped down all the power lines?
01:06 <@Dagmar> Do you remember what day?
01:06 <@Dagmar> I *do*.
01:07 < RangerZ> I was hoping for the time before that
01:07 < RangerZ> may 20...10 ?
01:08 < RangerZ> hehe
01:08 <@Dagmar> If we get snow, that'll be fine.  ...but we don't get snow here anymore.
01:08 <@Dagmar> We get fucking ice tornadoes.
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01:14 < RangerZ> you mean you didn't use to get them?
01:15 < RangerZ> I thought that was just normal weather down here
01:15 <@Dagmar> Nope
01:17 <@Dagmar> We used to get snow (1-3 inches), light snow, the occasional sleet and freezing rain for very short periods, and "flurries" which is a code word meaning "2-5 inches of snow in between layers of sleet and frozen rain"
01:17 <@Dagmar> Pray for me.  I just enabled ART on my phone.
01:18 <@Dagmar> It apparently scares the Cyanogenmod guys, so... Hrmm...
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01:20 <@Dagmar> I figure since i've no way to figure out what to poke at to prevent OpenGL from rebooting my phone (AND GOOGLE NAVIGATION USES THAT NOW) I might as well start flipping switches at random
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01:38 < RangerZ1> ART is suppose to be 'really' nice
01:38 < RangerZ1> but we'll see
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03:12 < aestetix> man
03:12 < aestetix> hnn has turned into a YC echochamber masturbationfest
03:12 < aestetix> before that only used to happen during certain periods..... like application deadlines
03:13 < RangerZ1> hnn?
03:13 < aestetix> news.ycombinator
03:13 < RangerZ1> ahh
03:21 < RangerZ> speaking of
03:21 < RangerZ> http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/01/microsoft-to-invest-in-cyanogen-hopes-to-take-android-away-from-google/
03:21 < PigBot`> Title: Microsoft to invest in Cyanogen, which hopes to take Android from Google | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com)
03:22 < RangerZ> E in EEE
04:26 < aestetix> How many cops does it take to push a black guy down the stairs?
04:26 < aestetix> None, he fell.
05:36 < aestetix> https://www.reddit.com/wiki/transparency/2014
05:36 < PigBot`> Title: transparency/2014 - reddit.com (at www.reddit.com)
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07:38 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:39 <@Dolemite> And on top of that
07:39 <@Dolemite> sumbitch
07:40 <@Dolemite> Power supply in my external RAID enclosure died last night.  Of course, it's not your standard PC type power supply, so I have to wait on sourcing a new one.
07:47 < aestetix> is it unethical to keep working on work projects like business as usual when you know you're going to be giving notice in a couple days?
07:48 <@Dolemite> Nope
07:49 <@Dolemite> It's unethical to phone it in the last few days unless your management is basically trying to get you to shed all of your current projects to someone else
07:49 < aestetix> oh heh
07:49 < aestetix> well give notice = two weeks left at the place
07:49 < aestetix> not "bye bye have fun picking up the pieces"
07:50 < aestetix> Dolemite: phone it in meaning calling in sick rather than working?
07:52 < aestetix> Dolemite: it just seems unethical to be talking about a project two months from now when you know you won't be there
07:53 < aestetix> of course as far as things are concerned you WILL be there until giving notice
07:59 <@Dolemite> aestetix: No, phone it in as in you show up for work, but don't actually put forth effort to do your job
08:00 < aestetix> oh. like "fuck this I'm done"
08:02 <@Dolemite> Pretty much
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09:06 < aestetix> penis
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09:59 < dfused> testicles
10:06 <@Bahhumbug> Don't encourage it.
10:17 < dfused> you're no fun
10:17 <@Dickie> a guy named Bahhumbug
10:17 <@Dickie> go figure
10:17 < dfused> who knew?!
10:18 <@benthemeek> Color me annoyed. Someone has signed up and created a second account for my dead mother in law on facebook.
10:18 <@benthemeek> I have no idea why they would do that, its just bizarre
10:18 < dfused> well....thats disturbing
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10:22 <@benthemeek> RangerZ: I emailed everyone about it last night reminding them you had requested financial stuff. There was no written contract between Dink and us AFAIK. He just paid what was short to the hotel himself and said it would be a future sponsorship
10:23 <@Bahhumbug> Just to beat a dead horse.... that's not how you do business.
10:23 <@Bahhumbug> Just sayin'
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10:48 <@oddball> benthemeek: About someone pretending to be your mother in law on FB.  I don't know why either, but that's not the first time I've heard of that happening.
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10:48 < Synx|hm_> ccccccdtvtukcbginflcdutktubhubctuvgkitkehrgn
10:48 <@oddball> And.. well... I guess the good news is that I'm not sure how TN handles verbal contracts if nashville2600 ends up going under.
10:48 < Synx|hm_> yup so theres that
10:49 <@Dolemite> I've heard several reports in the last week of deceased relatives coming back to life on Facebook
10:49 <@oddball> Synx|hm_: cat like typing detected.
10:49 < Synx|hm_> ha
10:49 < Synx|hm_> if fucking hangouts would correctly use my headset thatd be awesome
10:50 <@Dolemite> oddball: They are binding, to an extent.  The bottom line is that if the corporation were sued, there's no capital to present a defense and would therefore result in a bankruptcy.
10:50 <@oddball> ahhhhh
10:51 <@oddball> Dolemite: My concern is that board members of a non-profit are liable for debts that the non-profit incures.
10:51 <@oddball> Which, I'm assuming would be translated to the officers in this case.
10:51 <@Dolemite> That's precisely the reason why I separated myself from the non-profit in the manner that I did.
10:52 <@oddball> wise man
10:52 <@Dolemite> Corydon's attitude, when I spoke to him on the phone, seemed to be of non-chalance because he's under the [false] impression that the LLC shields him from any liability.
10:52 <@oddball> Well, he is fond of giving financial advice while being bankrupt.
10:52 <@Dolemite> prezactly
10:53 <@Dolemite> plus what does he have to worry?  he's already bankrupt
10:54 <@oddball> Well, it does mean that he can't use that as a way to dodge new debts right now.
10:57 <@Bahhumbug> Actually, according to something I saw on #nlug or their list recently he's coming out from under the bankruptcy this month or next.
10:58 <@oddball> Yeah... I knew it was on the tail end.
10:58 <@Bahhumbug> But he's not in any position to be non-chalant about financial matters unless he's going to just sit back and watch it burn and hope for the best.
11:12 <@Dolemite> I had lunch with Decius while in Atlanta last week and one of the things we discussed was that sometimes organizations need to fail so that they can start over from scratch.
11:13 <@Mirage> ¡Viva la Revolución!
11:14 <@oddball> Yeah... my concern is that there isn't enough folks left to resurect it.
11:14 <@oddball> I can't see re-electing Dru as anything other than doubling down on the stupid.
11:18 <@oddball> and now, if we want there to be a PN this year, we need to find a new hotel, do this little thing called "advertising," and they need to figure out how to mend bridges... with zero money in the war chest.
11:18 <@Dolemite> Oh, you mean kind of like when I took over after Dru left for Atlanta and wouldn't respond to emails where I kept asking him about contacts for speakers, hotels, artists, or screen printers?
11:19 <@Dolemite> And had to register the .info domains because he wouldn't let go of the .org ones, or even point them to a webserver we could update?
11:20 <@oddball> yep... like then.
11:20 <@Dolemite> Piece of cake.
11:21 <@Dolemite> I point out yet again that the most successful years for PhreakNIC are ones in which there were no sponsorships
11:22 <@oddball> Yeah... the scifi cons I go to are pretty much sponser free.
11:22 <@Mirage> watching a software demo for vmware/infrastructure mangement, reporting, logging, etc.  They just blatantly stated that everything breaks if you don't have the fqdn configured or if the fqdn can't be resolved.   Apparently the "IP" data is not saved, though shown in the configuration, and will never be used for any communication.
11:22 <@oddball> Well, except maybe someone's credit card.. at least in the begining. :p
11:23 <@Mirage> God help them if DNS goes down and someone has decided to leverage this app for performing all their management, logging, monitoring, and reporting
11:23 <@Dolemite> oddball: Yes, someone has to put their neck on the line for a few grand in credit.  That is unless there was enough money left over to pay for the shirts/swag this past year.
11:23 <@Dolemite> We had a line of credit with the swag vendor, so unless that trust has been broken, there's much less risk.
11:25 <@Dolemite> Shirts and swag can all come from Francis Communications.  Beyond that the only fee I was paying with the hotel was the cleaning fee after the con, and you have cash in hand to cover that.
11:26 <@Dolemite> I had no hospitality room in the beginning but it grew each year - you can still feed a lot of people for < $500 at Costco/Sam's.
11:26 <@Dolemite> We used to just get sodas, water, fruit, chips, and slim jims
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11:27 <@Dolemite> The hotel in Murfreesboro isn't a burnt bridge, from what I understand, as long as Dru isn't doing the talking.
11:28 <@oddball> See... that's the thing, he is.
11:28 <@oddball> And yeah, Tasha does an amazing consuite for cheap at Hypericon.
11:28 <@Dolemite> Oh, I'm talking about for 1-2 years from now, after the dust of dissolution has settled.
11:28 <@oddball> ah... gotcha
11:29 <@Dolemite> There's no prayer for his May announcement, and probably none for an October PhreakNIC.
11:30 <@oddball> Oh, I'm actually go to be in town for this month's meeting.  If he seriously states that he's working on the May thing, I'm just going to start laughing hysterically.
11:30 <@Evilpig> If there is a true desire for it this year and the current dumb dumbs can't pull their heads out of their asses I can make it happen
11:30 <@Dolemite> Was he even at the January meeting?  I didn't see his name in the attendance logs that ben sent out.
11:30 <@oddball> And... possibly call him an idiot, and everyone that doubled down on the stupid of him being in charge and walking out.
11:31 <@Evilpig> I still have a good relationship with francis and with the clarion in the boro
11:31 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: You have to let it fail.  Seriously.
11:31 <@Dolemite> Only after a total failure can it really start over
11:31 <@Evilpig> as far as I'm concerned the organization has failed
11:31 <@oddball> Dolemite: I don't think he was.
11:31 <@oddball> He also wasn't there in December.
11:31 <@oddball> Evilpig: Honestly?  It's hard to argue with that statement.
11:32 <@Dolemite> Need to read up on the by-laws clauses about the minimum number of meetings to attend to be President
11:32 <@oddball> Speaking of cons... I should probably get ready to head down to Chattacon.
11:32 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: he augmented that number by having the non-regular extra meetings
11:32 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: The people have, yes, but until the corporation is dissolved the liability remains
11:32 <@Evilpig> in the great spirit of the nashville community. i'll call it pigcon
11:33 <@benthemeek> It hasn't failed yet except to those who have written it off
11:33 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: Those don't count!   Just because he doesn't like the existing by-laws it doesn't mean that he can simply change them to suit his wishes!
11:33 <@Dolemite> benthemeek: Pull your head out of both your and Dru's asses.  Seriously.
11:33 <@oddball> Evilpig: You mean those non-regular unannounced meetings?
11:33 <@Evilpig> the bylaws state that at least the one meeting had to happen at the same time as the 2600 monthly meeting
11:34 <@Evilpig> it didn't forbid extra meetings
11:34 <@Dolemite> Yeah, but the only ones attendance is tied to are the 2600 ones
11:34 <@oddball> It's the "unannounced" bit that bothers me... greatly.
11:34 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: it's failed. being this far in debt with no plan to get out of it is a failure
11:34 <@Bahhumbug> Being in debt to any outside agency is a failure.
11:34 <@Dolemite> Evilpig: They had a plan.  They were going to ask the community for a fundraiser.
11:34 <@Evilpig> that isn't a plan.  it's a dream
11:35 <@benthemeek> Dru missed January's meetings. Is that any reason to think he isn't going to show up to the rest?
11:35 <@Dolemite> It's one thing to pass the hat because someone's apartment burned down and they didn't have renters insurance.  It's another to pass the hat because you made a bunch of unilaterally stupid business decisions.
11:35 <@Bahhumbug> benthemeek: Yep.
11:35 <@benthemeek> No its not
11:36 <@benthemeek> You are all being unreasonably negative
11:36 <@benthemeek> in my judgement
11:36 <@Evilpig> unreasonably negative or realistic
11:36 <@oddball> I'm going to have to agree with benthemeek.  December and January meetings are usually low attendance.
11:36 <@Bahhumbug> Um...  really?
11:36 <@Bahhumbug> You're going with that?
11:36 <@benthemeek> If we cant come up with sponsors this year for hotel costs then Im sure we will fail
11:37 <@benthemeek> but that hasnt happened yet
11:37 <@Evilpig> why do you need sponsors for $500
11:37 <@Dolemite> Well December usually was high attendance.  January was low when I was there.
11:37 <@Evilpig> how fucking hard is that to come up with?
11:37 <@Bahhumbug> After all the drama leading up the event it might be a neat idea for the guy calling the shots to have been present at the following meeting.
11:37 <@benthemeek> He was sick and it was a few days after new years
11:37 <@benthemeek> Elonka showed up
11:37 <@Evilpig> elonka isn't an officer
11:37 <@Bahhumbug> So?
11:38 <@oddball> benthemeek: Right.  The May thing needs to be abandonned.  It's just not going to happen at this point, and will be a waste of money.  PN is going to be a bit of a hail marry, and needs to be focused on.
11:38 <@Dolemite> Yeah, I wish Elonka had moved 4 months earlier and was eligible to be an officer.  She'd kick everybody's ass into getting shit done.
11:38  * benthemeek nods
11:38 <@Mirage> wait...if he wasn't at the dec/jan meetings, how did he get re-elected?
11:38 <@Bahhumbug> Stupid.
11:38 <@Bahhumbug> In a nutshell.
11:38 <@benthemeek> he was at dec
11:39 <@benthemeek> hes missed one meeting guys *smh*
11:39 <@benthemeek> put away the pitchforks
11:39 <@oddball> Sorry... I was wrong.  I was thinking of the November meeting that he missed.
11:39 <@Evilpig> Mirage: november
11:39 <@Dolemite> benthemeek: Oh, right, all of his dead relatives were excuses for not getting action items done on time - not for missing meetings
11:39 <@oddball> He was there at the meeting that included the elections.
11:40 <@Bahhumbug> I'm still going with "stupid".
11:40 <@Dolemite> December is when the elections were, because that's when NotLarry called me
11:40 <@benthemeek> Look I agree about a spring event. I have said over and over to Dru if the money sponsors are present before it there is no point in discussing
11:40 <@oddball> Dude.  Shit happens.  He's had a fairly good track history of showing up to the meetings.
11:40 <@benthemeek> There are plenty of reasons be annoyed with him but I don't think attendance is the way to go
11:41 <@oddball> agreed
11:41 <@benthemeek> the meetings that were outside JJ's should of been better announced last year
11:41 <@Dolemite> All I did was ask if he has missed a bunch of meetings
11:41 <@benthemeek> and the hotel contract should of been eyeballed by everyone
11:41 <@oddball> benthemeek: You mean announced?
11:41 <@Evilpig> oddball: he has a better track record of hiding when shit is hitting the fan
11:41 <@benthemeek> They were oddball, just a limited group
11:41 <@Dolemite> Secret Cabal!
11:42 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: not a cabal, an elite group of superfriends
11:42 <@oddball> Sorry... forgot about the super sekrit mailing list that you had to be hand picked to know about.
11:42 <@benthemeek> oddball I didnt even think about it
11:42 <@benthemeek> I wasnt active in this channel much then and so I just was dealing with things by email
11:43 <@oddball> Oh... and then those that weren't on the super sekrit mailing list got blamed for not showing up to the super sekrit meetings.
11:43 <@benthemeek> I didnt stop and think "oh this should be sent to the group" I just showed up
11:43 <@benthemeek> look we screwed up
11:43 <@oddball> Because you were expecting them to behave properly.
11:43 <@benthemeek> We all did (the officers last year)
11:43 <@benthemeek> Im not saying we didnt
11:44 <@benthemeek> There have been no extra meetings this year (yet)
11:44 <@oddball> That you're aware of. :p
11:44 <@benthemeek> I can learn from the mistakes and move on
11:44 <@benthemeek> thats true
11:44 <@Evilpig> you aren't learning from mistakes
11:44 <@Evilpig> "he says so and I believe him" --benthemeek
11:44 <@benthemeek> and I dont know how favorite a person I am since I refuse to really take sides in this
11:45 <@oddball> After all, you're one of the unclean that hangs out here, and therefor part of the problem.
11:45 <@benthemeek> oddball: That thought has crossed my mind but its just a thought and without Amber around I don't think the drama is kept at that level
11:46 <@Evilpig> gotta love my email sometimes
11:46 <@Evilpig> Foo Fighters 
11:46 <@Evilpig> July 15 - JUST ADDED!
11:46 <@Evilpig> July 16 - SOLD OUT
11:46 <@benthemeek> As long as people (dru included) see this group as a us vs them thing you will have things like meetings that dont get announced
11:47 <@benthemeek> it comes down to the belief that when you believe someone is out to get you, you just dont trust them
11:47 < RangerZ> benthemeek: so as long as dru is paranoid we'll have secret meetings?
11:47 < RangerZ> is that what you're saying?
11:47 <@benthemeek> No I am making sure that there isnt such
11:47 <@Evilpig> but without your intervention that would be the case?
11:47 <@oddball> ok... I'm really going to go get shit done now.
11:47 < RangerZ> [As long as people (dru included) see this group as a us vs them thing you will have things like meeting that don't get announced] >> if dru is paranoid -> secret meetings
11:47 <@benthemeek> have fun at the con
11:48 <@Evilpig> what con?
11:48 <@benthemeek> I looked it up, wish I was free to go
11:48 <@benthemeek> chattacon
11:48 <@benthemeek> speculative fiction con
11:48 <@benthemeek> (where oddball is going)
11:48 <@Evilpig> Love is in the air, and I know every one of you Carmageddon Heads out there is a die-hard ROMANTIC… So that’s why we’ve chosen February 14th – Valentine’s Day – as the launch date for the Public Beta release of Carmageddon: Reincarnation!
11:49 <@Dolemite> chattacon was fun the few times I went - however, that was 2 decades ago...
11:52 <@benthemeek> RangerZ: Dru has reasons to distrust a few people on this channel. I don't agree with his reasons but that is why everything wasnt broadcast out
11:52 <@benthemeek> I can only make sure it is and GSD
11:52 <@Dolemite> No excuse
11:52 <@Dolemite> Period
11:53 <@Dolemite> You want to run a public charitable organization, you have to be public about what you do
11:53 <@Dolemite> That's the basis of it
11:53  * benthemeek nods
11:53 <@Dolemite> If you feel like you have to keep things hidden, go somewhere fucking else
11:53 <@Bahhumbug> +1
11:54 < RangerZ> he can setup druCon if he wants to keep things private
11:54 < RangerZ> that's worked well in the past for previous presidents
11:54 <@benthemeek> I agree
11:54 < RangerZ> which is why we NEED a written contract between the org and dink/dink's company
11:54 <@Evilpig> who the fuck in here does he have a reason to distrust?!
11:54 < RangerZ> otherwise I consider it NOT a debt
11:55 <@benthemeek> Then consider it not a debt
11:55 <@benthemeek> What does it matter?
11:55 < RangerZ> B/C ITS A FUCKING NON-PROFIT
11:55 < RangerZ> jesus... a DEBT is important
11:55 < RangerZ> I do NOT want to fuck dink
11:55 < RangerZ> but...
11:56 <@benthemeek> We arent going to
11:56 < RangerZ> if he doesn't get shit written... then it WILL happen
11:56 < RangerZ> b/c if I run for treasurer next year, he'd be fucked
11:56 < RangerZ> as would ANY other person
11:56 <@benthemeek> I wish one of you had this year
11:56 <@Mirage> Evilpig: you missed a key word.. who the fuck in here does he have a [valid] reason to distrust?!
11:57 < RangerZ> like I said in the email last oct... we know better than to touch the org right now
11:57 <@Evilpig> my bad, point stands.
11:57 <@Mirage> not that paranoia requires validity..but still...
11:58 < RangerZ> my entire point of asking for _written_ documenation is to NOT screw people
11:58 < RangerZ> and to have everything be LEGAL
11:58 <@benthemeek> Okay.. Not to drag it out but lets put on our empathy caps for a moment and try to see how dru sees the world
11:58 < RangerZ> because -right now- this is some SHADEY BS
11:58 <@Dolemite> So who wants to add presentations to GeekNIC?
11:58 <@Dolemite> Decius said he wants to come
11:58 <@Dolemite> All depends on how his new company is doign
11:58 <@Dolemite> doing
11:58 <@benthemeek> He has former officers screaming (not literally) at him in email calling him names and cussing him for incompetence
11:59 <@benthemeek> he thinks members of this channel sabotaged his website
11:59 <@Mirage> I think the presentations for GeekNIC are appropriately covered by showing your hand in each round of CaH
11:59 <@benthemeek> they arent valid reasons if he actually had his empathy cap on (maybe) but can you not see why he would distrust this group?
11:59 <@Dolemite> Mirage: I think Evilpig is giving a presentation on Saturday morning.  Something about being able to belch the entire alphabet after eating enough bacon.
11:59 < RangerZ> benthemeek: I can see why he's paranoid... but I don't are ;)
11:59 < RangerZ> care**
12:00 < RangerZ> you don't get to run an non-profit like that... legally
12:00 <@benthemeek> Like what?
12:00 <@Mirage> Dolemite: and then your presentation will follow, but only in the facilities of your hotel room.
12:00 <@benthemeek> not announcing a couple officer meetings?
12:00 < RangerZ> because if written documentation of how org funds are being used... isn't presented at the next meeting... there WILL be issues
12:01 <@Dolemite> Mirage: No, the next presentation will be the death march along the trails of the Great Smoky Mountains National Park.  I may have to demonstrate CPR.
12:01 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: he fucking was incompetent 
12:01 <@Dolemite> Or be demonstrated on
12:01 < RangerZ> 'were they officer meetings' ?
12:02 <@Evilpig> and someone ni this channel did sabotauge his website.  I'm gonna point at corydon since i'm sure he was involved with that.
12:02 <@benthemeek> I guess I cant say that specifily RangerZ because John and amber were present
12:02 <@Dolemite> The real problem is that the rules binding the behavior of the officers was too damn vague and didn't proscribe enough formal oversight.  We all just got used to people behaving in rational manners.
12:02 <@Mirage> benthemeek: in the years that I worked on the planning and did the network stuff for PN, I don't recall _ANY_ event that was non-public.
12:02 <@benthemeek> Im not a fan on nonpublic meetsings
12:03 <@Dolemite> Mirage: Some would say that I wouldn't ever shut up about announcing meetings
12:03 <@Evilpig> i'd say that
12:03 <@Mirage> benthemeek: there _were_ meetings which were held separate from the 2600 meeting which were announced as open meeting, but would be non-participitory for non-officers/directors
12:03 <@Dolemite> It's the difference between inviting and encouraging participation...   and what Dru did.
12:03 <@Mirage> benthemeek: and only a couple of those
12:04 < RangerZ> benthemeek: I do NOT want to be an asshole about this... BUT... let Dink know... he and dru need to WRITE OUT the agreement they have, otherwise there WILL be legal issues at some point
12:04 < RangerZ> any audit of org documents right now... would be painful
12:04 <@benthemeek> Mirage: durring the yelling and website fiasco I understand (dont agree with) why he may of not accounced them to everyone
12:04 <@benthemeek> And it is all in the past...
12:04 <@Dolemite> Well, then there's the outright lying
12:04 <@benthemeek> Look I know you guys did it right (dolemite and wilpig)
12:05 <@Dolemite> "No, I didn't sign that contract with those penalties in it!"
12:05 <@Mirage> benthemeek: if the person who he thought was out to undermine everything was Evilpig, wtf would it matter since he's not local.
12:05 <@Mirage> justification failed
12:05 <@benthemeek> but I dont know anything about non profits, I am just trying to make sure there is another phreaknic
12:05 <@Dolemite> The best way to ensure another PhreakNIC is to let the current Nashville 2600 Corporation, LLC, 501(c)3 fail and dissolve.
12:05 <@benthemeek> Amber was telling him that several people in here were out to get him too
12:05 <@benthemeek> it wasnt a perfect storm
12:06 <@benthemeek> but it certainly fit the narrative
12:06 <@benthemeek> Why Dolemite? Just to get Dru out of leadership?
12:06 <@Evilpig> because the organization is no longer solvent
12:06 <@Mirage> I'm so glad I don't live around there anymore...this shit reminds me too much of the rift that Skydog wound up being the center of that tore everything apart
12:07 <@benthemeek> Why does it need to fail is what I don't understand. If we announce "all the things" and sign reasonable contracts whats wrong with it?
12:07 <@Evilpig> then you still have to dig yourself out of the hole
12:07 <@Mirage> Amber is a toxic succubus and needs to be extricated
12:07 <@Dolemite> Mirage: No shit.  It's deja vu, and not the kind with lap dances.
12:08 <@benthemeek> Amber is gone
12:08 <@benthemeek> AFAIK. She came to vote in december and will never be coming back she said
12:08 <@benthemeek> She felt unappreaciated
12:08  * Mirage cries
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12:09 <@Dolemite> benthemeek: Dru is a part of it for sure, but dissolution of the corporation and about 1-2 years of no PhreakNIC will give it a chance to truly start over.  Instead it's just another season of The Walking Dead.
12:09 <@benthemeek> My opinion is that much of this was instigated by her online persona or whatever and its probaly best we have parted ways
12:10 <@benthemeek> Dolemite: I enjoyed Phreaknic last year. I think everyone that went did
12:10 <@benthemeek> It wasnt the walking dead
12:10 -ChanServ:#se2600- Dolemite set flags +AOReiorstv on rfrostell
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12:10 <@Bahhumbug> You don't get to use her as a scapegoat for all of this.
12:10 <@Bahhumbug> She's a cancer.  But...
12:10 <@Bahhumbug> We ALL fucking warned everyone of this.
12:10 <@Bahhumbug> And you all still bought into her toxic bullshit.
12:11 <@benthemeek> I am not blaming her
12:11 <@benthemeek> We signed the contract and didnt announce the meetings etc etc and all the other grievences
12:11 <@Bahhumbug> _HE_ signed the contract.
12:11 <@benthemeek> But I dont think that is a reason to disolve the org, just fix the problems
12:11 <@Bahhumbug> You probably don't want to get any closer to it than that.
12:13 <@benthemeek> BAhhumbug: it was his mistake, but that doesnt help us go forward is the rest of the officers dont acknowledge we are part of the team that did it
12:14 <@benthemeek> So we screwed up but hopefully had laid the foundation of what never to do again.
12:14 <@Bahhumbug> *cough*you re-elected him*cough*
12:14 <@benthemeek> Any Dolemite is right about the bylaws, they need to include more specific language about officers etc
12:14 <@Bahhumbug> Sorry, I think I'm catching something.
12:15 <@Bahhumbug> I can't help but feel the "Don't Be A Dick" rule comes into play there.
12:15 <@benthemeek> I did reelect him. Because I see good in him too.
12:15 <@Bahhumbug> Dude, I suspect you see good in a turd on the ground, too.  It's just who you are.
12:15 <@Evilpig> wow... magic the gathering and knitting club meeting at the same time next week
12:15 <@Evilpig> that will be hilarious.
12:16 < RangerZ> benthemeek: you can let everyone know, I WILL be contacting the appropriate state/federal agencies (not sure about TN, but fed: IRS) if things aren't made more _crystal_ clear, because I'm fine with being associated with a 'hacker con' but fuck if I'll be associated with 'embesslement con'
12:16 < RangerZ> embezzlement**
12:16 <@benthemeek> *smh*
12:16 <@Bahhumbug> Good thing you won't be associated with that as it's not a thing :)
12:16 <@Bahhumbug> Damn it, you beat me.
12:16 <@benthemeek> and who would be embezzling
12:16 < RangerZ> i don't know, but the thing with dink stinks to HIGH WATER
12:16 <@Evilpig> brady bunch movie screening... wtf?  is there a new one?
12:17 <@benthemeek> How so?
12:17 <@benthemeek> We are short on a promise to the hotel and he pays the remainder?
12:17 <@benthemeek> WTH is the problem?
12:17 < RangerZ> b/c it wasn't written down, there is NO documentation of it, just a "we owe him money" being said in hush terms
12:17 < RangerZ> and no one able to say HOW MUCH
12:17 <@Bahhumbug> s/able/willing/
12:17 <@Evilpig> hrmmm samsung "animated photo" mode ?  
12:18 <@Bahhumbug> goatse phato?
12:18 <@Bahhumbug> err, photo?
12:18 < RangerZ> i do NOT care about 'reasons why' it happened, I care about the -current- situation
12:18 <@Bahhumbug> Of course, with goatse phato works too
12:18 <@benthemeek> So you would feel better/you are requesting a piece of paper that says once he is paid X our obligations are over and we bank the rest
12:18 <@benthemeek> Is that what I am hearing?>
12:18 < RangerZ> what does the org owe to dink/dink's company <-- see I don't even know who the org owes things to...
12:19 < RangerZ> thats how legal documentation works...
12:19 <@Evilpig> http://www.samsung.com/us/support/faq/FAQ00052843/62078/SGH-I337ZWAATT
12:19 < PigBot`> Title: How do I Take an Animated Photo using my Samsung Galaxy S® 4? : AT Cell Phones | Samsung (at www.samsung.com)
12:19 <@Evilpig> neat.  I want to try this and my phone doesn't work for it. :-/
12:19 <@benthemeek> And where does embezzlment come into play
12:19 < RangerZ> benthemeek: I'm sayin ALL of this... to STOP future issues
12:19 < RangerZ> benthemeek: because this is $ issues, and its shady
12:19 < RangerZ> shady money = wtf
12:20 < RangerZ> dink and dru need to get together and FORMALIZE what is owed to who
12:20 <@benthemeek> Is it only shady because its not on a piece of paper?
12:20 < RangerZ> yes
12:20 <@Evilpig> http://blog.laptopmag.com/animated-photo-mode-galaxy-s4
12:20 < PigBot`> Title: How to Shoot Animated Photos on the Samsung Galaxy S4 (at blog.laptopmag.com)
12:20 < RangerZ> how the hell is that hard to understand
12:20 <@benthemeek> Well if it was a verbal thing, can they fix it verbally?
12:20 < RangerZ> because without reciepts/contracts... I can just say the org owes me 10,000$
12:20 < RangerZ> no...
12:20 <@Dolemite> RangerZ: negligence is the proper term to be throwing about
12:20 <@benthemeek> Hey I will be a sponsor for the next few phreaknics..."
12:20 <@Bahhumbug> benthemeek: With the reluctance of various parties to make the financial situation completely transparent by showing the books as they stand now everything is going to look shady.
12:20 < RangerZ> non-profits do NOT get to operate like a lemonaid stand
12:21 <@Bahhumbug> Mmmm...
12:21 <@Bahhumbug> lemodaid
12:21 <@Bahhumbug> Fuck my typing
12:21 <@Evilpig> haha
12:21 <@Bahhumbug> But I _DO_ have a jug of it in my fridge.
12:21 < RangerZ> soon to be _DID_
12:21 < RangerZ> lol
12:22 <@Bahhumbug> I can make more!
12:22 <@Bahhumbug> I haz the powers.
12:22 <@Bahhumbug> Oh!
12:22 <@Bahhumbug> And I'm incredibly stoned at the moment.
12:22 < RangerZ> but benthemeek, I'm -not- trying to be a dick about this... but if you don't realize how bad this looks (legally even) then that is just your own issue...
12:22 <@benthemeek> The language you are using is what is bothering me. Noone is making money off of this. But I see your point about needing to know what needs to be done to have the debt settled
12:22 < RangerZ> but it DOES look bad... and as an officer... you'd be held responsible too
12:23 <@benthemeek> SMH
12:23 < RangerZ> benthemeek: I'm using this language b/c you don't seem to understand how bad it looks, and the NEED for documenation
12:23 <@benthemeek> hey we were short on a hotel bill, dude steps up and pays it
12:23 <@benthemeek> okay
12:23 < RangerZ> fuck fixing those types
12:23 <@benthemeek> thats it
12:23 <@benthemeek> mystery solved
12:23 <@benthemeek> this isnt rocket science
12:23 < RangerZ> no, its not, then why isn't it written down?
12:24 < RangerZ> plus, I have NEVER been able to be told if it was DINK himself or DINK'S company
12:24 <@benthemeek> Dink said his creditcard
12:24 < RangerZ> THAT is what is -personally- pissing me off about this
12:24 <@Evilpig> if he just paid it then it was paid
12:24 <@benthemeek> HAve you called Dink
12:24 < RangerZ> and makes me think shady shit is going on
12:24 < RangerZ> I don't know dink's info
12:25 <@Evilpig> if he gave money to the organization as future sponsorship then there should be documentation saying so
12:25 < RangerZ> I don't know dink personally (really)
12:25 <@Evilpig> period.   if something happened to the current officers and a new crop jumped in.  what documentation would they have to look at when he came claiming that he wasnt' getting what he paid for
12:25 <@Evilpig> what did he pay for exactly?!
12:26 <@Dolemite> A smoke and a pancake?
12:26 < RangerZ> what are the terms of the 'videos' that Dru/Elonka made for dink's company?
12:26 <@benthemeek> Im guessing about 6 K in unsold rooms
12:26 < RangerZ> these are things that need to be -crystal clear- otherwise the non-profit could lose its status
12:27 <@benthemeek> I wish we had a lawyer and an accountant
12:27 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: what you're saying right now is you don't know what he paid, or what it was for to the organization.  to me on the outside you've told me that some dipshit paid for some unsold rooms out of the kindness of his heart after some other dipshit signed a contract with a clause allowing for you to be charged for them
12:28 <@benthemeek> ^:)
12:29 <@benthemeek> And in that spirit WTH would the IRS be interested in us for?
12:29 <@Dolemite> Well the lawyer that was giving advice gave advice that Dru didn't like
12:29 <@benthemeek> look I agree it needs to be written down and settled now before a question ever comes up
12:29 <@Bahhumbug> And what if this _is_ to Dink's company and they want to claim it has a charitable or similar contribution for the tax break?  That best jive with what's on the books of the organization or someone, somewhere, gets fucked.
12:29 <@benthemeek> but lets not create a monster that isnt even there,
12:29 <@Evilpig> for someone on the outside it says that the organization owes nothing.  the money you're saying that dink paid for future sponsorship was actually just paid to the hotel and never passwed through teh organization meaning without a contract syaing he was paying X on behalf of Y then the organization owes him nothing
12:30 <@Evilpig> hence... the need for documentation and none of this hemming and hawing about trivialities
12:30 <@Bahhumbug> benthemeek: The monster already exists.  You reelected him :)
12:30 <@Dolemite> Ahem.  What about the check that was written to the hotel that drained the operating capital of the organization?  Do people really care so little about the fact that there's no more money in the piggy bank?
12:30 < RangerZ> benthemeek: thats my entire point of all of this... to STOP an issue from arising... by having dink/dru write these things down on paper, and signing them... so that NOTHING shady happens in the future
12:30 <@Bahhumbug> Dolemite: Small little details.
12:31 <@benthemeek> okay. Well lets bring it up at febuary's meeting
12:31 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: government assistence.  millions of poor people get by all the time without any money in the bank
12:31 <@Dolemite> All of which came about because Dru didn't want people to know what he was up to.  He insisted that he didn't sign a contract that he most definitely signed.
12:32 <@benthemeek> Its a valid point that the verbal agreement needs to be spelled out on paper
12:32 <@Evilpig> there was no verbal agreement.  this is a he said she said
12:32 <@benthemeek> Dink and Dru ?
12:32 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: Those work out so well in business.
12:32 < aestetix> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/31/us/mitt-romney-2016-presidential-election.html
12:32 <@Evilpig> dink could just as well say that the organization agreed to pay back the money plus interest
12:33 <@Evilpig> I am fully aware of how verbal agreements can be fucked with post agreement.  i've had it done to me and i've done it others accordingly
12:33 < RangerZ> benthemeek: if nothing else, you should try to get this sorted out to protect your own behind... I don't understand how you or dink (let alone corydon) haven't been doing this to legally protect yourselves
12:33 <@Evilpig> it's shitty, but it's business
12:34 <@benthemeek> Rangerz I have talked to Dink
12:34 < RangerZ> that doesn't mean anything legally
12:34 < RangerZ> FYI
12:34 <@benthemeek> He isnt some angry dude threatening to sue people
12:34 < RangerZ> RIGHT NOW
12:34 <@benthemeek> I disagree
12:34 <@Dolemite> Did the money come out of his personal account, or Codex Labs' account?
12:34 < RangerZ> benthemeek: it doesn't matter
12:35 <@Dolemite> Dink doesn't get to speak unilaterally for his business.  He has a partner.
12:35 <@benthemeek> if he is going to claim we owe him something that he isnt getting paid for he is exactly the persons opinion that does matter
12:35 < RangerZ> benthemeek:  if the queen of england gave the org 6k ... I'd still want to have a contract
12:35 <@benthemeek> I agree with you all that it should be written down
12:35 <@Evilpig> benthemeek: you are not understanding the size of the elephant in the room
12:35 < RangerZ> I have no personal issues against/pro dink, I just think it is fucking stupid/looks shady to NOT have legal documentation
12:36 <@benthemeek> I am saying that the prophecys of doom and being sued are far fetched
12:36 <@Evilpig> they aren't.  that's the problem
12:36 < RangerZ> benthemeek: how about the 6k that the org owes me?
12:36 < RangerZ> I gave you 6k in cash the day before the con
12:36 <@benthemeek> Prove it :)
12:36 < RangerZ> what... its just a verbal contract?
12:36 < RangerZ> ohh look... documentation IS important
12:36 <@Dolemite> I'm not claiming impending doom.  I'm claiming that the idiot in charge should be removed from office, and those who were stupid enough to re-elect him should be tarred and feathered.
12:36 <@Evilpig> in business you don't plan for the sunny day when all your deliveries are on time and shit is working well.  you plan for the nightmare scenario then be happy when it doesn't happen
12:37 <@Evilpig> you're ignoring the nightmare and planning ont eh sunny day
12:37 <@Bahhumbug> Dolemite: +1
12:37 <@benthemeek> Im not ignoring anything
12:37  * Bahhumbug sits back and chuckles
12:37 <@benthemeek> you made a good point, it needs to be written down
12:37 <@Bahhumbug> Dolemite made a good point, too.
12:37 <@benthemeek> the rest is speculative
12:37 <@Evilpig> it should have been written down and signed off on immediately 
12:37 <@Dolemite> Bahhumbug: I'm also claiming that you're a fucking lazy bum for not getting off of your ass and attending meetings to vote against him.
12:37 <@Evilpig> you're in an actionable position now and are doing nothing to stop it
12:38 <@Bahhumbug> Dolemite: I will accept that accusation.
12:38 <@benthemeek> "The idiot in charge" signed a bad document.
12:38 <@Dolemite> Bahhumbug: At least we're clear
12:38 <@benthemeek> I still beleive he can be a good idiot in charge
12:38 <@Evilpig> and now... "previously on redneck island..."  i'm out
12:38 <@benthemeek> which is why I voted for him
12:38 <@benthemeek> it WAS a vote
12:44 <@benthemeek> In about 9 months I get to see if my vote and confidence have any value.
12:48 < aestetix> I just finished reading mosy of the scrollback
12:48 <@Evilpig> ROFL  "what are grits"  a) squash
12:48 < aestetix> Who's on the board of the nonprofit?
12:48 < aestetix> Well more specifically, is Corydon a board member?
12:48 <@Evilpig> john eldridge
12:48 <@Dolemite> Dru, NotLarry, Corydon, and Benthemeek
12:48 < aestetix> ok
12:48 <@Dolemite> No, John Eldridge is not on the board
12:49 <@Evilpig> he was on the oversight board
12:49 < aestetix> Because you know that if something $bad happens to a nonprofit, the board members become liable?
12:49 <@Evilpig> the other four are officers
12:49 <@Dolemite> The oversight board was never staffed with enough qualified people to become solvent
12:49 < aestetix> This is why with Noisebridge the board was a group of folks ready to take the hit if something bad happened.
12:49 <@Dolemite> The officer from last year also ignored any authority that said board would have had when I was supposedly the chairmanof it
12:50 < aestetix> I mention this because COrydon apparently seems to think it won't hurt him.
12:51 < aestetix> RangerZ: didn't you also give jonnyX another $5k for a blowjob?
12:53 < aestetix> Or was the blowjob part of the 6k you gave to benthemeet
12:54 < aestetix> I don't remember the details, although I have some irc logs
13:07 <@Mirage> aestetix: sure it wasn't to you?  you do seen to have an inclination toward "penis"
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13:17 <@Evilpig> LOL  a fireside chat with Marissa Mayer  https://www.dropbox.com/s/3mc4qs53usq0ha3/Screen%20Shot%202015-01-30%20at%201.16.18%20PM.png?dl=0
13:19 < aestetix> ugh
13:19 < RangerZ> Evilpig: lacks a LOT of the pitchforks, mashmellows, and crucifixes... that I was expecting...
13:20 <@Evilpig> I'm lol'ing at the fire
13:20 <@Mirage> aestetix: in case you missed it...
13:20 <@Mirage> aestetix: sure it wasn't to you?  you do seen to have an inclination toward "penis"
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13:20 < aestetix> lol
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14:03 <@oddball> I think I found Naienko's valentine's present: http://www.thinkgeek.com/product/1539/?pfm=_Featured__1__1539
14:03 < PigBot`> Title: Plush Kitten Bouquet | ThinkGeek (at www.thinkgeek.com)
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14:25 < dfused> godddammit..... just got fucked by irs
14:25 < dfused> was supposed to get PTO payout from old work... but IRS considers PTO payout as supp. income. so gets taxed to holy fuck death
14:26  * dfused bangs head on desk
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14:35 <@opticron> that's shitty
14:39 < dfused> just cal'd it out to 39.65% .....
14:39 <@opticron> sounds about right
14:40 < dfused> thankfully its friday....cause I need a damn drink
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14:48 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQAtwFFa2QY
14:48 < PigBot`> Title: AMD Radeon™ Graphics Presents: The Fixer 3 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
14:49 < RangerZ> god... AMD must -actually- hate Nvidia...
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14:55 <@frosty> Ouch dfused.
14:56 < RangerZ> ?
14:59 <@frosty> taxes.
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15:02 < RangerZ> ahh, yeah, those can suck
15:02 < RangerZ> but thank god for them... I'd hate to live in Mad Max world with roaming bands or raiders
15:02 < RangerZ> lol
15:04 < RangerZ> (aka... 15 years from now)
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15:11 < RangerZ> http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman/os-george-zimmerman-no-charges-20150130-story.html
15:11 < PigBot`> Title: George Zimmerman won't be charged in alleged wine-throwing incident - Orlando Sentinel (at www.orlandosentinel.com)
15:11 < RangerZ> good for him... that'll make the 4th charge in 3 years he's escaped
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15:12 < RangerZ> he's going to be reincarnated as a horsefly
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16:00 < RangerZ1> hehehe ....
16:01 < RangerZ1> just posted "Next you'll say "in the garden of edan" from Iron Butterfly wasn't a religious work too...  ;) " as a reply to someone's FB post about how "take me to church" isn't about christianity...
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16:14 < RangerZ1> http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/29/fearing-measles-outbreak-california-school-kicks-out-unvaccinated-kids/ no... parents should NOT have the right to endanger their children... including not getting vaccines for highly contagious diseases ... that had 30% mortality rate in the 30s before we started being able to deal with it...
16:14 < PigBot`> Title: Addicting Info Fearing Measles Outbreak, California School Kicks Out Unvaccinated Kids (at www.addictinginfo.org)
16:15 <@Mirage> Wasn't there something similar in Michigan not too long ago?
16:15 <@Mirage> or was it Illinois?
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16:22 < sasquatc4> I enjoyed the argument from the parents that started this whole thing
16:23 < sasquatc4> they went to a pta meeting, and the parents there reminded other parents not to let their kids bring in products with peanuts, because its a 'life and death issue and endangers other kids'
16:23 < sasquatc4> so obviously, the dad asked, can we then not having unvaccinated kids not coming in to school, it is a life and death issue after all
16:23 < sasquatc4> he heard later many were not happy, since the majority of parents at the pta meetings were ones with unvaccinated kids
16:27  * Dagmar plays a tiny little violin
16:28 < sasquatc4> *not have
16:29 < sasquatc4> its going to take a full on outbreak to get these retards to wise up though, was some doctor on colbert/daily a while back that said it will usually take as much
16:29 < sasquatc4> once the generation that actually had to deal with the issue has died off, its no longer in everyones memory and they all forget there were good reasons why they did it in the first place, cause people are fuckin retards as a majority
16:30 < dfused> we am not!
16:43 <@RangerZ> sasquatc4: we HAVE a full outbreak
16:43 <@RangerZ> 1000+ people in NV are being watched and monitored by the state
16:44 <@RangerZ> Ebola only has a 20% more fatal rate than measles when not treated properly
16:44 <@RangerZ> if the republicans could blame measles outbreak on obama... it would be impeachment talks
16:48 <@rhia> bad enough these completely irresponsible people refuse to immunize their children over non-scientific boogeyman fears over the MMR vaccine (which could be alleviated by simply getting three separate, processed differently vaccines for measles, mumps, and rubella) -
16:48 <@rhia> they also -invite children over- when their child get sick, aka "pox parties"
16:49 <@RangerZ> rhia: when I came to vandy, they asked for 'documentation' that I had my MMR...
16:49 <@RangerZ> I didn't even _have_ documentation anymore b/c I went to a univ in ohio, and graduate from an ohio HS... the univ _knew_ I had the MMR shots
16:49 <@RangerZ> b/c of where I graduated
16:49 <@RangerZ> wasn't even a question
16:51 <@RangerZ> It amazes me that people would even question not getting their kids vaccinated for one of the MOST contagious diseases out there
16:51 <@rhia> every damned one of these "parents" should be treated like Typhoid Mary
16:52 < dfused> what, shp em off to another island?
16:52 <@rhia> or at least held legally liable for any deaths caused by their contagious children
16:53 < dfused> involuntary manslaughter
16:53 < dfused> death from negligence...or somesuch
16:54 < dfused> oh....and .... hi there.
16:54  * dfused waves
16:54 <@rhia> hehe
16:55 <@Mirage> omg, rhia speaks!
16:55 <@rhia> still working for "the man"?
16:55 <@rhia> nope, just a mirage, Mirage
16:55 < dfused> somewhat... via a diff company.
16:57 < dfused> still.... IA sux
16:58 < dfused> but at least I get to travel.
16:58 <@rhia> so, in a way, you just received your PTO pay from the man with ~40% paid out to the man
16:58 <@rhia> which paid out to you
16:58 <@rhia> you're paying yourself <G>'
16:58 <@rhia> so, does that make you self employed?
16:59 < dfused> yeah...or at least delusional
16:59 <@rhia> well, what else is new?
16:59 < dfused> could be worse.... I could be on an IRS contract
16:59  * benthemeek looks around in terror when he hears the word IRS
17:00 < dfused> but still.... I got to see gibraltar. and that .....was......EPIC.
17:00 <@rhia> eh, i don't mind paying for civilization, just wish we actually got some for what we pay
17:00 <@rhia> nice
17:01 < dfused> managed to get attacked by one of the damn macaques up there too...lol
17:01 < dfused> theiving little bastards
17:01 <@rhia> are we talking about the macaques or still about the IRS?
17:02 < dfused> lol...
17:08 <@Dagmar> Is there no way to assign values to an array in Java as an array?
17:08 <@Dagmar> Like, in perl you can just go @array = (1,2,3,4);
17:09 <@Dagmar> Oh wow.
17:09 <@Dagmar> I see.  It's _lame_
17:16 <@RangerZ> yes
17:16 <@RangerZ> but you don't want to do it most of the time, lol
17:17 <@Dagmar> I'd rather not do it this way at all
17:17 < sasquatc4> just readin back, RangerZ my gf had to just re-up her MMR a few years ago since she had lost her documentation
17:17 <@Dagmar> int[] digits = new int[10]; <-- this is *ugly*
17:17 < sasquatc4> they wouldnt let her go back for her masters without it
17:17 <@RangerZ> sasquatc4: so did I
17:17 <@Dagmar> I have had an MMR three goddamn times now
17:17 <@RangerZ> << 4
17:17 <@RangerZ> :/
17:18 <@Dagmar> I had one when I was a kid (you can still make out the circular scar), MTSU lost the documentation on it my first year, so I had to get it again
17:18 <@RangerZ> and I'm only slightly more autistic each time I get one
17:18 <@RangerZ> i mean...
17:18 <@Dagmar> ...they lost it again for the second year, I got it again...
17:18 <@RangerZ> lol (yes I'm making fun of it, b/c its fucking stupid)
17:18 <@Dagmar> They lost it the third semester and I said "NO.  FUCK YOU.  FIGURE IT OUT."
17:18 <@Dagmar> I was not going to get the goddamn thing a fourth time
17:19 <@Dagmar> I yelled.
17:19 <@Dagmar> :)
17:19 <@RangerZ> jesus Dagmar they stopped the version of the vaccine that left scars back in the 70s
17:19 <@RangerZ> how old was the vaccine you had when you had the shot
17:19 <@Dagmar> Yeah, keep in mind you're going to be within arm's reach of me in less than two weeks.
17:19 <@RangerZ> hehe
17:19 <@Dagmar> But seriously... I deliberately blasted that woman
17:20 <@Dagmar> "Well, we can't find your paperwork so I guess you'll just need to have it again."
17:20  * Dagmar looks angry. 
17:20  * Dagmar inhales.
17:20 <@Dagmar> I could probably drink a glass of live measles virus solution right now with no ill effects.
17:21 <@Dagmar> People who sit next to me for more than a few minutes become immune.
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17:22 <@Dagmar> I will say this tho'... They didn't bother me about that vaccine again.
17:23 <@Dagmar> I was good-humored about it the second time they lost the documentation.
17:23 <@Dagmar> I wasn't going to be stuck in the arm a third time because they couldn't keep track of something they considered important.
17:23 <@Dagmar> ...not without punching someone in the face.
17:23 <@Dagmar> I'd pay the fine for assault before i'd let them stick me again.
17:26 <@Dagmar> The yelling was important because it ensured they would not attempt to argue me into it like they did the second time.
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18:47 <@klixa-cloud> I thought polio was the circular scar one
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19:05 <@RangerZ> http://gizmodo.com/the-comcast-time-warner-cable-merger-may-not-happen-1682094691 god I hope this is right
19:05 < PigBot`> Title: The Comcast-Time Warner Cable Merger May Not Happen (at gizmodo.com)
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19:05 <@RangerZ> because Comcast-voltron/power ranger zoid hybrid with time warner would just be BAD for the US/Internet
19:09 <@RangerZ> alright... I'm afraid for the Pope's life now...
19:09 <@RangerZ> http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/29/trans-man-rejected-by-his-catholic-church-so-pope-francis-invites-him-to-the-vatican-for-a-hug-video/
19:09 < PigBot`> Title: Addicting Info Trans Man Rejected By His Catholic Church, So Pope Francis Invites Him To The Vatican For A Hug (VIDEO) (at www.addictinginfo.org)
19:11 <@RangerZ> he's going to have a "heart attack" any day now... or 'accidental' ingestion of  ... plutonium 210...
19:14 < RangerZ1> Evilpig: they have a 'New 3DS LL' at gamestop(s) and the 3D works really well actually
19:15 < RangerZ1> power off the system when you get to it b/c the 3D is so horribly configured when you arrive its kinda funny... then once you do that, it just 'works'
19:16 < RangerZ1> and I'm one of the people which 3D in movies usually doesn't work that well for... so if it works this well for me, then I'm really impressed by the tech
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19:53 <@Evilpig> RangerZ1: I bought one of the new ones.  it'll be here on the 13th or whatever
19:53 < RangerZ1> same
19:53 <@Evilpig> I got the special edition majora's mask one
19:53 < RangerZ1> same
19:53 <@Evilpig> ugh.  there's a fan in my deskopt that's dieing and i'm gonna have to pop the cover to straighten it out
19:53 < RangerZ1> not sure if I actually want that version, but I stopped into gamestop and they told me they had more
19:54 <@Evilpig> I want that one.  the second I saw it, it was a must have
19:54 < RangerZ1> ehh I never played Majora's Mask, lol
19:54 < RangerZ1> plus the USA doesn't _get the game for free_ like EU does :/
19:55 <@Evilpig> honestly even if I buy the revamp of majora's mask I might not even play it.  that was one of my least favorites in the series
19:55 <@Evilpig> all that going back and forth in time was irritating
19:56 < RangerZ1> ahh a lot of people consider it their favorite
19:57 <@Evilpig> it was an amazing game but I found that part of it tedious and irritating
19:59 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9c512UMKhM aestetix, you might apreciate this, I'm not sure how I feel about it, I lean more towards the guest's POV, that too often people get outcast b/c they don't yet know the 'right' word
19:59 < PigBot`> Title: Whaaah!: Privileged Mostly-Wrong Journalist Whines About P.C. Culture - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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21:02 <@RangerZ> so I saw a map of the keystone XL pipeline from alberta to TX coast
21:02 <@RangerZ> I thought it was a red line through the parts of the country that no one would want to live in...
21:02 <@RangerZ> ;)
21:04 <@frosty> Tehehe.
21:31 <@Dolemite> frosty: Just now reacting to your @?
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22:07 <@frosty> Oh no. I saw it quite a while ago. Happy dance!
22:29 < RangerZ2> http://www.christianitydaily.com/articles/1860/20150130/super-smash-bros-gameplay-updates-wii-u-game-gets-15-new-stages-for-multiplayer-mode.htm thats a lot of content
22:29 < aestetix> hi big boy
22:29 < RangerZ2> also... christiantydaily ... reporting on video games... lol
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23:11 < aestetix> ok so
23:11 < aestetix> the south has bible bunmpers right?
23:11 < aestetix> how common knowledge is the story in the book of job?
23:22 <@Dagmar> Soo... Apparently switching from Dalvik to ART was a good idea.
23:23 <@Dagmar> Well... fuck.
23:24 <@Dagmar> It makes the broadcast reciever fail pretty often, but now I've got only one of the three widgets counting.
23:29 <@Dagmar> LOG.D ALL TEH THINGS!
23:51 <@Dagmar> Okay.  Genymotion is _way_ better
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