--- Log opened Mon Jan 26 00:00:15 2015
00:01 < Evilpig_> time for me to pass out.  I gotta get up early to get into work on time
00:37 < RangerZ1> Evilpig_: there ya go https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFC9aInro6s
00:37 < PigBot`> Title: How To Fake Being In A Relationship - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
00:42 < RangerZ1> you can go for 300$/mo option
00:42 < RangerZ1> lol
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02:10 < aestetix> ok question
02:10 < aestetix> if I give notice on the first of the month, can they terminate my health insurance?
02:10 < aestetix> IE do I have to wait till the second
02:58 < RangerZ> huh?
02:58 < RangerZ> they can't terminate your insurance until they fire/you quit
03:02 <@Bahhumbug> Giving notice is effectively quitting.  They can escort him to the door and terminate all benefits on the spot if they wish as long as it's the start of a billing period.
03:02 < RangerZ> 'can'
03:02 < RangerZ> but in the US, you can be fired for ANYTHING
03:03 < RangerZ> Bob... I'm sorry, but you're our top salesman, so I'm going to let you go...
03:03 < RangerZ> "but why",
03:03 < RangerZ> "because we can"
03:03 < RangerZ> lol
03:03 <@Bahhumbug> Unless it's an at-will state HR needs to have a paper-trail if they don't want a lawsuit.
03:03 < RangerZ> yeah
03:04 < RangerZ> but even then, its just paperwork
03:04 <@Bahhumbug> at-will... you can be terminated for the side you part your hair if they want.
03:04 < RangerZ> even if they don't have that 'you CAN be fired' just they have to make it seem non-racial/sex/age/etc
03:05 < RangerZ> aestetix: it really comes down to if the company will WANT to keep you working for the remaining 2~4~6 weeks notice that you are giving
03:06 < RangerZ> when I gave my notice to gamestop (I was asst. mang. at the time) 2~3 days later into the 2 weeks, they told me I can just go home, and that they would pay me the time I was scheduled
03:06 <@Bahhumbug> Yep.
03:06 < RangerZ> I was 'employed' until the end of the 2 weeks
03:06 <@Bahhumbug> And it's quite trivial to "prove" you are not being terminated for race/sex/sexual preference/etc
03:06 < RangerZ> but they didn't want a loss threat (employees are #1 threat of theft from retail)
03:06 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: That's a loss-prevention issue more than anything else.
03:07 <@Bahhumbug> Easier to get a non-trusted employee out of the place and ensure there is nothing that mysteriously goes missing.
03:07 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: yeah I know, just saying that it depends on the type/place of his employment, and what the company will want to do
03:07 <@Bahhumbug> Indeed.
03:07 <@Bahhumbug> I'm not arguing :)
03:08 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: I was literally the only non-christmas seasonal employee to get out of that store without a firing and/or arrest for a 2 year span
03:08 <@Bahhumbug> arrest?
03:08 <@Bahhumbug> Theft?
03:08 < RangerZ> grand theft... b/c they waited until they could prove it was over 1,000$ until they stopped the one guy
03:08 <@Bahhumbug> Risky.
03:08 <@Bahhumbug> But I see their point.
03:09 <@Bahhumbug> jesus... abrt needs to die in an unholy fire.
03:09 < RangerZ> he was cancelling ancient reservations and using that money to buy games, then to trade them back in after beating them and use that money to buy more games...
03:10 < RangerZ> -that- is why now if you don't pick up a reservation at gamestop, after 2 weeks, they mail you a gift card with your money on it... lol
03:10 <@Bahhumbug> I suspect that type of thing is quite common.
03:10 < RangerZ> apparently not
03:10 < RangerZ> I ran into the DM when he moved to Suncoast after I did, lol....
03:10 <@Bahhumbug> Seems like a trivial scam that any mouth-breather could figure out.
03:11 < RangerZ> and he said it was the firs time someone had done it (that the company knew of)
03:11 < RangerZ> so I'm guessing others just weren't as greedy
03:11 < RangerZ> lol
03:11 <@Bahhumbug> Interesting.
03:11 < RangerZ> yeah, I was kinda surprised too
03:11 < RangerZ> b/c you're right, it seems obvious
03:12 <@Bahhumbug> Then again... most criminals are idiots so...
03:13 < RangerZ> he's a 'big' journalist now, for engaget or something
03:14 < RangerZ> I think he got his records sealed, b/c there isn't anything about it on the internet that I could find abouthim
03:14 < RangerZ> lol
03:17 <@Bahhumbug> I can't see why the records would be sealed unless it was part of a payout agreement of some type.
03:17 <@Bahhumbug> ie. We won't do X if you promise to keep your mouth shut about how you did Y.
03:17 <@Bahhumbug> But... *shrug*
03:17 <@Bahhumbug> Man, fuck fedora.
03:18 <@Bahhumbug> Seriously, just fuck it.  With a garden rake.  Sideways.
03:20 <@Bahhumbug> Hi fedora packing fucks.  When your patch doesn't apply with fuzz=0 how about you rebase the fucking thing so that it does?
03:20 <@Bahhumbug> Because EL demands that fuzz=0 be in effect at patch time to prevent undeterministic behavior.
03:21 <@Bahhumbug> And when the mother fucking packager is a fucking 'hatter that should just know better....
03:21  * Bahhumbug punches babies
03:21 < aestetix> RangerZ: but what if the company pays for insurance monthly
03:22 < aestetix> so they would already have paid for the month....
03:22 < RangerZ> so who cares, just say on the 2nd
03:22 <@Bahhumbug> Or just tell them to fuck off and give immediate notice and don't let it be a question.
03:22 < RangerZ> that too
03:22 <@Bahhumbug> There is a chance they walk you to the door anyway.
03:22 < RangerZ> or... just wait until the day you WANTED to quit, and then walk out
03:22 < aestetix> But then you don't get health insurance
03:23 < aestetix> The whole point of this is to get a month of free insurance :p
03:23 < RangerZ> also, even if your insurance IS paid, the day you are fired, you lose it
03:23 <@Bahhumbug> And if you have the keys to the castle (ie. syseng/sysadmin) that is becoming more and more likely every year.
03:23 < aestetix> you knwo I was thinking about that
03:23 <@Bahhumbug> If you're basing the date you give notice on free insurance you're doing it wrong.
03:23 < aestetix> Everyone says ops is going away because of automation and cloud
03:24 < aestetix> but I wonder who troubleshoots things when there is a problem
03:24  * Bahhumbug considers saying fuck it and forcing rpmbuild to use fuzz=2
03:24 < RangerZ> aestetix: it really depends on who/what type of plan they have... b/c my step dad's insurance is killed the minute they walk a guy off the propety... but thats a rare case, since they don't "have" an insurance company, the company pays for everything themselves
03:25 < RangerZ> aestetix: who runs the automation and the cloud? lol
03:25 < aestetix> RangerZ: the idea is that the devops guy writes all the puppet scripts, and then loses his job
03:26 < RangerZ> hahaha
03:26 < RangerZ> thats cute
03:26 < aestetix> but the company that does that will be fucked when the system has issues
03:26 < aestetix> RangerZ: do you realize how many companies are doing just that?
03:26 < RangerZ> or needs updated
03:26 < RangerZ> ohh i'm sure a ton in the bay are
03:26 < RangerZ> but its stupid in the long run
03:26 < aestetix> what's "long run" :p
03:26 < RangerZ> 3+ yr
03:27 < RangerZ> again, I think in business terms that you can't even imagine out there
03:27 < RangerZ> 3~5 year plans, etc
03:27 < aestetix> a lot of companies are basically getting someone who knows python and javascript, and then having either a contractor or rackspace throw together chef/puppet scripts for them
03:27 < RangerZ> 'for what' though?
03:28 < RangerZ> just server hosting?
03:28 < RangerZ> sure, thats a joke
03:28 <@Bahhumbug> %define _default_patch_fuzz 2 for the mother fucking win
03:28 < aestetix> well given that they are basically making a company to be aquired
03:28 < RangerZ> hell the research project I'm working on for DARPA is doing the same thing, (sorta... ours is dynamic )
03:28 < aestetix> wait
03:28 < aestetix> you're doing a DARPA project and only making $30k a year?
03:29 < RangerZ> I'm a grad student
03:29 < RangerZ> my tuition is paid
03:29 < RangerZ> insurance
03:29 < RangerZ> etc
03:29 < RangerZ> and actually its (Air Force) AFARPA
03:29 < RangerZ> but still
03:30 < RangerZ> the darpa project I was working on was 17million
03:30 < RangerZ> but that was 'total' , that one and this one I think is 1million (for our team)
03:31 < RangerZ> across 3 profs, and a dozen or so grad students/tuition... that doesn't go too far
03:32 < RangerZ> but yeah, We're building an adaptive linux container system that can host simulations as a service
03:32 < RangerZ> the system itself is a Dynamic research problem (in that there are areas where improvements can be made)
03:33  * Bahhumbug yays
03:33 <@Bahhumbug> It builds.
03:33 < aestetix> cocaine?
03:33  * Bahhumbug kicks fedora
03:33 < RangerZ> there 'are' solutions out there, such as Kubernetes from Google, etc... but their algorithms are kinda naive... which is where we're trying to imrpove
03:33 <@Bahhumbug> Sigh.  And this needs to be a dogfood build.
03:34 <@Bahhumbug> This is irritating considering this should be a simple update :/
03:34 < RangerZ> but that doesn't mean I expect any company that expects to exist in 5 years to fire all of its staff and hire contracters
03:34 < RangerZ> BUT... that isn't just a trend in IT, thats a trend in ALL businesses
03:34 <@Bahhumbug> It's far more prevalent in IT currently.
03:35 <@Bahhumbug> Just hire off-shore turds^Wdevelopers.
03:39 < RangerZ> perhaps... Not like I'm trying to scale up education and outsource other profs... or anything...
03:39 < RangerZ> *cough*learning*at*scale*cough*
03:39 < RangerZ> lol
03:41 <@Bahhumbug> Finally.  Stupid updates built and pushed.
04:34 < aestetix> RangerZ: that's sickening.
04:34 < RangerZ> what is?
04:34 < aestetix> A trend in business to not expect to last longer than 5 years
04:35 < RangerZ> well I'm just saying, that just seems to be what you are describing out in SillyValley
04:36 < aestetix> yes
04:36 < aestetix> and most employees bounce a job after 2 years if not 1
04:37 < RangerZ> The website/audio/video stuff I told you about before is a 5~10 year plan I've been thinking over for a while now
04:38 < RangerZ> that just seems to be timeframes that don't "jive" with what is happening in the "business world" now a days
04:38 < RangerZ> hell within that time frame we're going to have _another_ crash
04:39 < RangerZ> but... I'm probably an oddity in that I don't want to have stocks that I sell quickly or other BS like that
04:40 < RangerZ> Hell I'd invest my money into a stock market that _didn't_ allow you to sell stocks quickly
04:40 < RangerZ> day traders, etc... add "liquidity"... but at the cost of other investors
04:41 < aestetix> do you buy bonds?
04:42 < RangerZ> but 'day traders' aren't the real issue, and I'd probably still say they are fine, its the sites that buy the info of your day-trading sales, and then buy the stocks before you can, and resell them to you for .10$ more a share... those are the scum of the earth...
04:43 < RangerZ> me... no.. I don't b/c right now the US gov't is being PAID to sell bonds, which is why we SHOULD have raised a trillion dollars in bonds, and rebuilt our infrastructure including gigabit to every apartment and house
04:43 < RangerZ> bond rates are _below_ inflation right now
04:43 < RangerZ> (or were, the rate might have gone up, but not 'yet' I don't think)
04:44 < RangerZ> I've been investing in the only stock I know will have a higher rate of return than burning my money... my degree(s) ;) lol
04:44 < RangerZ> aka... I'm so poor I can barely pay attention .... *cries*
04:44 < RangerZ> lol
04:50 < RangerZ> but apparently I'm not alone, a smaller and smaller % of americans under the age of 35 have investments in the stock market
04:51 < RangerZ> which apparently is starting to worry economists, b/c in a few years... if that continues, the stock markets will start to hurt b/c there won't be a large number of people as the base
04:52 < RangerZ> but in general, I see an invest in a farite cage, some spare diodes, and an off-the-grid solar panel kit for under 5k to be a better investment than 5k worth of stocks
04:52 < RangerZ> and the farite cage/diodes is more of a joke, but still, you get my point, lol
04:54 < RangerZ> http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/25/thanks-anti-vaxxers-many-oregon-schools-have-nonmedical-vaccine-exemption-rates-over-50-percent/ ugh...
04:54 < PigBot`> Title: Addicting Info Thanks, Anti-Vaxxers: Many Oregon Schools Have Nonmedical Vaccine Exemption Rates Over 50 Percent (at www.addictinginfo.org)
04:55 < RangerZ> aestetix: the idea of buying a plot of land, and -building- a house, for under 100k or 200k, etc... might seem beyond imagination in SF, etc... but its reasonable most places in the US
05:05 < aestetix> uhhhhh
05:05 < aestetix> no amount of money will let you do that here
05:05 < aestetix> you basically have to bribe city officials to approve your permits
05:06 < RangerZ> well building permits exist everywhere... but you get my point
05:06 < aestetix> uh
05:06 < aestetix> I have a friend who has been trying to create a legal live-work space in SOMA
05:06 < RangerZ> what is soma?
05:06 < aestetix> He's been trying to get everything approved/finished for.... he started in 2007
05:07 < aestetix> SOMA = south of market, it's where a lot of trendy startups have moved in
05:07 < RangerZ> aestetix: SF isn't the real world
05:07 < RangerZ> its basically an island for all intents and purposes
05:07 < RangerZ> which means geography is its enemy
05:08 < RangerZ> 1 google search => 100k for a 6500 sq.ft lot in Tukwila WA (near seattle/seatac airport)
05:09 < RangerZ> houses for 175k~230k
05:10 < RangerZ> thats an area (despite all the water) isn't as limited for space as SF
05:10 < RangerZ> SF "is not real world", lol
05:10 < RangerZ> it would take you 6~8 weeks to get ALL permits and inspections in most places in the US
05:11 < RangerZ> longer/quicker depending on season, etc
05:13 < RangerZ> unless you have to deal with "historic society" or other such BS
05:13 < RangerZ> HOA, etc
05:17 < RangerZ> I'm guessing New Orleans' French Quarter is a PITA to build in... but still, thats just a guess
05:44 < aestetix> so
05:44 < aestetix> about putting super smash brothers on your resume as a skill
05:45 < aestetix> http://imgur.com/a/hR8u5
05:45 < PigBot`> Title: Started fromm the bottom now we here - Imgur (at imgur.com)
05:54 < RangerZ> unless they won EVO ...
05:54 < RangerZ> well I guess organizing tournaments 'is' leadership...
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06:14 < RangerZ> https://i.imgur.com/Fscb43K.png HAHAHA
06:14 < RangerZ> SFW
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06:27 < RangerZ> https://imgur.com/t/programming/cXEVyiG If I ever get submitted code this way for review, I'd just fail them
06:27 < PigBot`> Title: The shit you have to put up with on codecademy - Imgur (at imgur.com)
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07:42 < Evilpig_> RangerZ: dear god.
07:46 < Evilpig_> so I made it to the dc this morning there is no snow currently and hte three feet htat NYC was gonna get has already been downgraded to 12 - 24"  I'm expecting this shit to be a foot at most now
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08:23 < RangerZ1> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DBF81JS/ref=as_li_tl?ie=UTF8&camp=1789&creative=390957&creativeASIN=B00DBF81JS
08:24 < RangerZ1> Kingdom Hearts 3 up for Pre-order for 41$ instead of 60$, if anyone cares themselves, or knows someone who would like this as a gift oddball
08:24 < RangerZ1> (its only PS4... so you can tell her that you 'need' to buy the PS4 so 'she' can play this ;) ) lol
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08:24 <@Dagmar> Odd.
08:25 <@Dagmar> Well, I guess that polar bear hunting licence you got is going to waste then
08:26 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: lets be honest... Evilpig_ would probably be mistaken for a polar bear before he went hunting one... just imagine him falling into a snow drift... coming out covered in pure white...
08:26 < RangerZ1> "omg why does that bear have red in its hair? it must have killed something and that is blood stains"
08:27 < Evilpig_> rofl  http://hedonistica.com/autos-vehicles/thats-not-how-tow-straps-work/
08:27 <@Dagmar> Nah, he's not nearly tall enough
08:28 < RangerZ1> you wanna know something.... that made me feel old
08:29 < RangerZ1> I realized that all the grad students I work with were born in the 90s
08:29 < RangerZ1> realizing that people born when you can remember... thats such a weird feeling...
08:30 < RangerZ1> am I laying it on too thick? lol
08:32 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: http://hedonistica.com/tv/conan-and-archer-battle-russian-mobsters/ <<-- This is how you hire interns
08:32 < PigBot`> Title: Archer and Conan Team Up to Battle Russian Mobsters | Hedonistica (at hedonistica.com)
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08:42 < Evilpig_> I approve of shooting andy
08:44 <@Dagmar> hehe
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09:17 < aestetix> question: is there a lightweight version of thunderbird that supports enigmail?
09:17 <@Dagmar> Your question broke at Thunderbird
09:17 < aestetix> heh
09:18 < aestetix> what's a better mail client
09:18 < aestetix> please don't say mutt
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09:20 <@Dagmar> If you leave off the word "lightweight" you're probably fine
09:21 < aestetix> is there any lightweight mail client that supports gpg that is not mutt
09:38 < Evilpig_> who's caught up on shameless?  ie watched last night's episode
09:40 < aestetix> Evilpig_: does it involve Corydon answering questions?
09:42 <@Dagmar> Okay.  I give in.  I will just have to trust that the RemoveView manager can make sensible decisions about changes to the Remoteview object and not frantically redraw everything each time
09:42 <@Dagmar> There are just too many cases where Android can basically nuke the entire display and reinstantate it without telling the application
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10:01 < aestetix> sweet
10:01 < aestetix> sylpheed seems to work
10:24 < aestetix> win 6
10:24 < aestetix> oops
10:29 < Evilpig_> it's stopped snowing.  :-/  how are we gonna have snowmageddon without snow?
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10:41 <@Dagmar> That's easy.  Go outside and taunt Old Man Winter.
10:55 < Evilpig_> but I can taunt the old man right here easier.
10:55  * Evilpig_ pokes NotLarry 
11:02 <@Dagmar> So... just to thumb my nose at Resistance people, I'm making most of the screenshots that will go on the Play store use the "Magic Smoke" background, in green.
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11:26 < frosty> 5 cats gives me a 95% lap cat uptime.
11:26 < Evilpig_> that's too much cat uptime
11:27 < frosty> Working from home is like being around needy people.
11:29 <@Dolemite> frosty: I think there is an opportunity for you to define a new metric.  Cat Laptime Index
11:30 < frosty> I'll wire presure sensors to my lap. I can even determain which cat I had (mostly)
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11:41 < RangerZ> http://www.iflscience.com/space/asteroid-close-approach-be-visible-small-telescope
11:42 < dfused> WE'RE GONNA DIE!!!!!
11:42 <@Dagmar> Nah
11:42 < RangerZ> live cast of the asteroid passing by
11:42 < RangerZ> not THIS one
11:42 < dfused> dammit
11:42 < RangerZ> the one in 17x3 years.... maybe
11:42 < RangerZ> thats the problem
11:42 < RangerZ> lol
11:43 < dfused> was gonna make a quick billion selling death from above tshirts
11:50 < Evilpig_> you can still capitalize on "i gaught the measles at disneyland and all I got was shit t-shirt" shirts
11:50 < dfused> lol
11:52 < Evilpig_> i'm heading out to play in the snow.  bbl
11:54 < aestetix> yeah fuck Apple so hard
11:54 < aestetix> every time I want to do something even remotely outside of the status quo, I run into brick walls
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12:04 < frosty> Job interview scheduled for 11:30. It's now after noon. Who does that?
12:05 <@oddball> evil bastards
12:07 < frosty> oooooooooooo whoops. I just re-read the email. It's PST.
12:07 < frosty> Guess I better not claim "attention to detail" on this one.
12:08 <@Dagmar> People interviewing for time travellers.
12:08 <@Dagmar> If you can't make an appointment a few hours ago, you're probably not qualified for that position.
12:09 < frosty> XD
12:10 < RangerZ> frosty: i hope you have time to do the interview now
12:10 < RangerZ> lol
12:11 <@Dagmar> I'll worry about thinking outside the box when I can find the box.
12:11 < RangerZ> b/c lets be honest... we need more people in this channel with jobs that don't suck
12:11 < RangerZ> ol
12:11 < RangerZ> lol*
12:27 <@Dolemite> frosty: Did you ever get moved upstairs, officially?
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12:48 <@Dagmar> Goddamn these people
12:49 <@Dagmar> If I can find documentation on it, I'm going to downvote the person who gave me the useless information on StackOverflow
12:49 <@Dagmar> I've seen two things now saying LocalBroadcastManager is basically anathema to AppWidgets
12:50 < RangerZ> https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/1012982_1000370039993134_2331877863480206667_n.jpg?oh=be4beac7185d1b081ec9bfe5452f5e0d&oe=55282811&__gda__=1432270459_2f068d0a2c092c1007c2e21e43eea7ca
12:50 < RangerZ> god... FB image urls
12:51 < Evilpig_> they named this storm?  wtf?!  https://twitter.com/PANYNJ/status/559762441668931584
12:51 < PigBot`> Title: Port Authority NY on Twitter: "Planned #PATHTrain Service During #BlizzardOf2015. Follow @PATHTrain/@PATHAlerts for updates. http://t.co/iRWlb4S5o8" (at twitter.com)
12:51 < RangerZ> http://tinyurl.com/lnlho3p
12:51 < RangerZ> there we go
12:51 < Evilpig_> btw this is outside in this horrible snowicane   https://www.dropbox.com/s/5aiichpkifbi653/2015-01-26%2011.55.43.jpg?dl=0
12:52 < RangerZ> Dagmar: why did you fly your drone over the whitehouse and then lose it?
12:52 < RangerZ> lol
12:53 < RangerZ> someone lose a 2m quadcopter when it went over the WH, and now... I expect they are running serial numbers and figuring out who owns it, etc...
12:53 < Evilpig_> oh please
12:53 < Evilpig_> they know who's it was before it touched down
12:54 < Evilpig_> they're out collecting family members 
12:54 < RangerZ> but with all the drone sightings at nuclear sites in France and US, monuments at both, and at airports...
12:54 < Evilpig_> You can't stop at the pilot, you have to get the immediate family to send a message
12:54 < RangerZ> I wouldn't be surprised to find out that some BS is actually going on... lol
12:54 <@Dagmar> They could probably look it up by it's MAC address if they really tried.
12:55 <@Dagmar> I imagine some Secret Service agent showing up at the offices where they designed the Parrot hollering "AW... C'MON... YOU KNOW WHAT I WANT, BAYBEE!"
12:56 < RangerZ> http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/2015/01/22/nashville-mta-amp-dead/22172861/
12:56 < PigBot`> Title: Nashville MTA: Amp is dead (at www.tennessean.com)
12:56 < RangerZ> well...
12:56 < RangerZ> thats good/bad
12:57 < RangerZ> they should have just dedicated the -outside- lanes to busses ONLY
12:57 < RangerZ> and been done with it
12:58 < Evilpig_> wha?  http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/crime/2015/01/13/live-video-test-page/21507017/
12:58 < PigBot`> Title: Live coverage from the Vanderbilt rape trial (at www.tennessean.com)
13:01 < RangerZ> http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/health/2015/01/20/company-cancels-opryland-meetings-norovirus-outbreak/22060655/
13:01 < RangerZ> karma....
13:01 < PigBot`> Title: Opryland outbreak has companies canceling events (at www.tennessean.com)
13:02 < Evilpig_> that's some funny shit
13:04 < RangerZ> Evilpig_: apparently the fucker from Vandy flew out to Cali and tried(and failed) to delete the videos/pics he sent to his friends out there, and his friends didn't realize it was 'ongoing' when he sent the pics/vids
13:04 < RangerZ> they turned on him and are testifed in court.
13:22 < RangerZ> http://www.latinopost.com/articles/13246/20150126/nintendo-mario-kart-9-wii-u-release-date-gameplay-trailer.htm
13:22 < PigBot`> Title: Nintendo Mario Kart 9 Wii U Release Date, Gameplay & Trailer: 5 Greatest Features on Wishlist : Tech : Latino Post (at www.latinopost.com)
13:22 < RangerZ> no date yet
13:22 < RangerZ> but announced
13:24 <@Dagmar> Son of a BITCH
13:25 <@Dagmar> Apparently you can't apply a touch event hook to a layout
13:25 <@Dagmar> Has to be a drawable
13:26 <@opticron> so you're trying to hook the entire group of widgets for the touch event and you basically just can't?
13:26 < RangerZ> http://news.vanderbilt.edu/2015/01/study-bad-middle-managers-are-just-a-reflection-of-their-bosses/
13:26 <@opticron> joy
13:26 < PigBot`> Title: Study: Bad middle managers are just a reflection of their bosses | Research News @ Vanderbilt | Vanderbilt University (at news.vanderbilt.edu)
13:26 < RangerZ> HAHAHA
13:26 < RangerZ> my guess is they studied VUIT ??
13:27 < RangerZ> -___-
13:30 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Seriously.  I am really not amused at the number of times people are just dead wrong about stuff
13:30 < RangerZ> huh?
13:30 < RangerZ> stack overflow?
13:30 <@Dagmar> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/7696199/add-click-listener-to-entire-appwidget
13:30 < PigBot`> Title: android - add click listener to entire appwidget - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
13:30 <@Dagmar> That's entirely bloody wrong
13:30 <@Dagmar> I finally gave in and applied the intent to one of my drawwble items and magically the shit works
13:34 < RangerZ> hmm
13:34 < RangerZ> might be an issue with version of android
13:35 < RangerZ> but yeah... stack overflow needs better "this is marked right, but is not, or is not anymore... right" feature
13:37 <@Dagmar> This is the sort of thing that should be _in the documentation_
13:39 < RangerZ> "Added in API level 3"
13:39 < RangerZ> it is
13:40 <@Dagmar> It's in the documentation that an onClick handler must be applied to a _visible_ element...
13:40 <@Dagmar> Where.
13:40 < RangerZ> https://developer.android.com/reference/android/widget/RemoteViews.html
13:40 < PigBot`> Title: RemoteViews | Android Developers (at developer.android.com)
13:40 < RangerZ> setOnClickPendingIntent....
13:41 <@Dagmar> Where on that page?
13:41 <@Dagmar> All it appears to say is that it needs to be applied to a viewId
13:41 < RangerZ> about 3/4 down... search 'setOnClickPendingIntent'
13:41 < RangerZ> thats all I do on any javadoc page
13:42 <@Dagmar> It gives a warning about LiveView and StackView and mentions nothing about requiring a visible drawable
13:42 < RangerZ> honestly I don't know 'offhand'
13:42 < RangerZ> I can try it out later and see what i get
13:42 < RangerZ> b/c honestly, that 'accepted' answer could just be wrong entirely
13:43 <@Dagmar> NOw I gotta figure out how to do the extras thing
13:43 <@Dagmar> THat's how I'll have to pass the appWidgetId
13:43 < RangerZ> thats easy
13:43 < RangerZ> let me look for 'exact'
13:46 < RangerZ> the parcel in the pending intent will have 2 extra Ints, 'tag' and then 'viewID'
13:48 < RangerZ> i'd look at 'yourIntent.getExtras()', and see what all that 'Bundle' contains
13:49 < RangerZ> but all this nonsense is stuff I need to check out myself, and know the 'right' answers to what they are 'now' at least
13:50 <@Dagmar> Actually I can pillage everythign I need from https://github.com/CyanogenMod/android_packages_apps_Protips/blob/gingerbread/src/com/android/protips/ProtipWidget.java
13:50 < PigBot`> Title: android_packages_apps_Protips/ProtipWidget.java at gingerbread · CyanogenMod/android_packages_apps_Protips · GitHub (at github.com)
13:50 <@Dagmar> ...although frankly I know that app does not work because the strings don't match
13:51 <@Dagmar> ...or if it does then people are wrong about it being required in the manifest because com.android.misterwidget.NEXT_TIP isn't what's in the Manifest
13:51 <@Dagmar> There's a wholly different string in the intent-filter
13:54 < RangerZ> it looks like you can you can 'add' it to the parcel bundle -before- you sent it as the pending intent
13:54 < RangerZ> ohh intent-filter
13:54 < RangerZ> hmm
13:54 < RangerZ> thought you meant tag
13:54 <@Dagmar> No
13:54 <@Dagmar> Also, two separate things
13:54 < RangerZ> yeah
13:54 <@Dagmar> That widget passes some EXTRA_TIMES value which appears to be meaningless, but it _does_ pass an int
13:55 <@Dagmar> ...and I need to know the appWidgetId of the thing clicked on once I'm in the onReceieve handler
13:55 <@Dagmar> ...becuase I'll need to push the septitime value to storage and then call for an update on that particular widget
13:55 <@Dagmar> ...er widget instance
13:57 < RangerZ> the intent might not need to be 'in the manifest' in the way you think b/c of the lines ...
13:57 < RangerZ> [        RemoteViews updateViews = new RemoteViews(
13:57 < RangerZ>             context.getPackageName(), R.layout.widget);]
14:00 <@Dagmar> ...and because I can...
14:00 <@Dagmar>                 Log.d("OMG", "We were touched by a stranger!")
14:00 <@Dagmar> int appWidgetId = intent.getIntExtra(APPWIDGETID, -1);
14:00 < RangerZ> hmm... I'm really going to have to play with this at home and see what I get
14:01 <@Dagmar> Should -1 come back... that log.d will trigger and people can just wonder about it if they ever see it
14:03 <@Dagmar> Okay.  This will probably work
14:04 <@Dagmar> Well, it'll probably FQ but I'm trying to be optimistic
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14:09 <@Dagmar> Fuck yeah it works
14:10 <@Dagmar> Of course it's not really working on the _correct_ instance, but it does work
14:10 <@Dagmar> Heheh
14:11 <@Dagmar> I'm going to need more debug statements
14:12 <@Dagmar> Touching the widget engages septicycle mode for three seconds.
14:12 <@Dagmar> Unfortunately which widget you touch doesn't matter... it only does it for the most recently added instance
14:12 < Evilpig_> Dagmar: didn't your momma teach you not to touch your widget in public like that?
14:12 <@Dagmar> Hey man this is precisely why I put that "We were touched by a stranger!" log message in there
14:13 <@Dagmar> I was taught if a stranger touches you, you need to tell someone right away.
14:15 < _NSAKEY> s/tell/smite/
14:15 <@Dagmar> I have been assuming multiple instantations result in different appWidgetIds
14:15 <@Dagmar> Hopefully I am not wrong
14:16 <@Dagmar> If that's not the case then i've no idea why they're so excited about iterating through a _list_ of appWidgetIds
14:19 <@Dagmar> _NSAKEY: As you can see my approach towards learning a new language/environment necessarily involves finding every possible broken thing along the way
14:20 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: It resembles my approach to system administration.
14:20 <@Dagmar> Well...
14:20 <@Dagmar> This is interesting
14:21 <@Dagmar> It appears that when you reinstall a package, whatever widgets were there on the screen disappear but still exist
14:23 <@Dagmar> I had two showing up in the scroll, but when I pushed an update I suddenly had four
14:23 <@Dagmar> I deleted the two visible ones, the other two kept going
14:24 <@Dagmar> That's very interesting indeed
14:24 <@Dagmar> Bleh
14:24 <@Dagmar> Touching either one generates the same broadcast
14:26 <@Dagmar> The new intent seems to overwrite the old one despite that they should really be separate
14:28 <@Dagmar> Perhaps I need to set this up at a different time
14:29 <@Dagmar> Clearly the RemoteView item is common to all of them
14:30 < frosty> Now.. It's time for the interview :-p
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14:40 <@Dagmar> A USEFUL answer! http://stackoverflow.com/questions/4011178/multiple-instances-of-widget-only-updating-last-widget
14:40 < PigBot`> Title: android - Multiple Instances Of Widget Only Updating Last widget - Stack Overflow (at stackoverflow.com)
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14:41 <@Dagmar> Finally a use for the requestCode
14:42 <@RangerZ> that 'is' the use of it, lol
14:42 <@RangerZ> the only real use at that...
14:42 <@Dagmar> So... while you were gone I stumbled across a fun thing
14:42 <@RangerZ> ?
14:42 <@RangerZ> ohh
14:42 <@Dagmar> When I reinstalled the widget (via android studio) the existing instances were replaced by new ones
14:42 <@RangerZ> " It appears that when you reinstall a package, whatever widgets were there on the screen disappear but still exist"
14:42 <@Dagmar> Yep
14:42 <@RangerZ> hmm
14:42 <@RangerZ> probably just a VM bug
14:43 <@RangerZ> or are you on your phone?
14:43 <@Dagmar> Yes I'm on my phone
14:43 <@RangerZ> hmm
14:43 <@RangerZ> interesting
14:43 <@Dagmar> The VM is ridiculously slow
14:44 <@RangerZ> if you install the 'right' version
14:44 <@RangerZ> and have an intel CPU
14:44 <@RangerZ> or the 'other right' version and AMD
14:44 <@Dagmar> I'll have to get the "other" right version then
14:44 <@RangerZ> it runs as 'basically' as a 'real' OS installed on the system
14:44 <@RangerZ> and can even use the GPU
14:44 <@RangerZ> its hypervisor'd on the CPU itself
14:45 <@RangerZ> both chips offer the same 'tech', but with different implementations
14:45 <@Dagmar> Looks like I need to use GenyMotion
14:45 <@RangerZ> yeah, thats the most popular now
14:45 <@shapr> VAINA MORNING
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14:52 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Being that I have used virtd over here a few times I'm familiiar
14:53 <@Dagmar> 'cuz I didn't build a 6-core box just to run that or nothin'.
14:53 <@Dagmar> *ahem*
14:54 <@Dagmar> Anyhoo...  Lemme push this thingi to the phone and see what happens
14:55 <@Dagmar> It also appears that other visible elements in the widget area block the touch event
14:55 <@Dagmar> I think I know a way around that tho
14:59 <@Dagmar> Whoohoo!
15:01 < Evilpig_> Dagmar: did you learn nothing from crazy pants?  you have to ask the phone for permission, your phone should want it you shouldn't have to push it. that's rape....
15:01 <@Dagmar> Nevermind.  Looks like I have to cheat a bit
15:01 <@Dagmar> Go go gadget transparent images
15:03  * shapr sighs
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15:06 <@RangerZ> not sure if my account or what
15:06 <@RangerZ> but linkedin is messed up bad for me right now
15:07 <@Dagmar> Well see if this onClick limitation is just limited to layouts or is it forbidden on transparent images
15:07 <@shapr> I still don't know how to find my android phone on the wifi
15:08 <@Dagmar> Assign it a static IP in your DHCPd configuration
15:08 <@Dagmar> That's basically the easiest way to do it
15:09 <@Dagmar> I would *not* recommend enabling ADB over wifi
15:09 <@shapr> apple desktop bus?
15:09 <@Dagmar> ...at least not unless you're super-sure you can remember to turn it off when you're done
15:09 <@shapr> oh, probably android debugging something?
15:09 <@Dagmar> Yes android debugger
15:14 <@Dagmar> Okay.  This is bizarre
15:16 <@Dagmar> Putting a transparent image over the whole thing works
15:16 <@Dagmar> ...except the numbers aren't clickable
15:16 <@Dagmar> da hell
15:20  * Dagmar considers lunch
15:21  * Dagmar looks at the Soylent site
15:21 <@Dagmar> Oh fuck that
15:21  * Dagmar makes a note to buy more ramen
15:21 <@oddball> I've got a buddy that's done the Soylent thing.
15:21 <@Dagmar> $85 for 21 meals?
15:21 <@Dagmar> Tace Bell is cheaper
15:22 <@Dagmar> They need to get their costs down
15:22 <@oddball> eh, that breaks down to about $4/meal.  You can do cheaper if you make your own lunch.
15:22 <@oddball> Pretty hard to get out of Taco Bell for that.
15:23 <@Dagmar> Bean paste burritos are less than a dollar
15:23 <@Dagmar> If I ate four of those I'd be bug-eyed
15:24 <@Dagmar> Ramen Cup'O'Noodle is less than fiddy cents
15:24 <@oddball> I believe he reported that the shakes tasted "not terrible," but you really need to start on them gradually, for the sake of everyone around you.
15:24 <@Dagmar> I was led to believe these were food tablets
15:25 <@oddball> Yeah, but in theory, the Soylent shakes actually have everything you're supposed to get in a meal.  I know you've lived off of ramen and miso soup, but it's not advisable.
15:26 <@oddball> pretty sure they're poweder packets that you mix with water.
15:29 <@Dagmar> I'm soooo tempted to put something tacky in the update notes about this
15:29 <@Dagmar> "Unlike the girls at the Pink Pony, you can now touch this widget."
15:31 <@klixa> oddball: or you can take a multi vitamin and keep eating ramen
15:31 <@Dagmar> klixa++
15:32 <@Dagmar> It'll say right there on the bottle: "100% FDA requirement"
15:32 <@Dagmar> I think I was at my healthiest when mainly I was eating only ramen, mac & cheese, and miso
15:33 <@klixa> I have never heard of these shakes but I'm in their website... 255g of carbs per serving , essentially in the form of pure sugar
15:33 <@Mirage> I'm sure I'm opening myself up for comments, but I'm sorry...I have to have meat.  And the microscopic bits of pork in Miso doesn't count as meat.
15:34 <@oddball> I'm with you on that statement.
15:34 <@Dagmar> I prefer meat.  I just won't fall over dead without it
15:34 <@Mirage> Well, most miso I've had has had sub bacon-bit sized pieces of "pork" floating in it.
15:34 <@Dagmar> The people who are the reason I'm not eating meat however may not be so lucky
15:35 <@Dagmar> That's some strange miso
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15:35 <@klixa> I can do without meat but I love cheese and yogurt
15:35 <@Dagmar> "Proper" miso IMHO is just bean paste, a few leaves of spinach, and a pinch of salt, with perhaps a few sliced chive bites in there
15:35 <@Dagmar> Oh and tofu cubes
15:36 <@Dagmar> ...which are also bean paste
15:36 <@Mirage> yeah, can't forget the tofu
15:36 <@Dagmar> Gotta have them ummy little cubes
15:37 <@Dagmar> y
15:37 <@klixa> and about Taco Bell... I get the beefy 5 layer for 1.25 and can't even finish it
15:37 <@Mirage> Guess the MIso I've had wasn't really Miso: 'If pork is added to miso soup, it is called tonjiru (rendaku changes "shiru" to "jiru"), meaning "pork soup".'
15:37 <@Dagmar> I find it somewhat worrisome that the Google Developer Console says I have 11/10 for "current/total" installs
15:44 <@oddball> ouch: http://i.imgur.com/mjcgmNm.png
15:45 < _NSAKEY> oddball: How many people are saying they don't get it in the comments?
15:46 <@Dagmar> Daaaayum
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15:46 <@oddball> Don't know... someone just posted that pic in another irc channel
15:48 < Evilpig_> klixa: i've seen your belly.  I think you're full of shit about that 5 layer burrito.  unless you're saying that you just can't stand to finish it, in which case I understand
15:55 <@klixa> the bigger the parasite, err fetus gets the less room for burritos :/
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16:11 < Evilpig_> lies
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16:38 <@klixa> now I can talk smack about ben without him creepily messaging me about scrollback from a month ago
16:40 < Evilpig_> when are you gonna talk smack about me messaging you creepily?
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16:46 <@klixa> Evilpig_: I do that all the time... I have an irc chan devoted to discussing your creepyness
16:47 <@klixa> ben reads ALL scrollback ... I think that's weird and have told him so
16:48 <@Dickie> I never read scrollback
16:48 <@Dickie> Keeps me from being embarassed
16:48 <@Dickie> PLOW AHEAD
16:50 <@klixa> yeah it's best to chat and forget lol
17:06 < RangerZ1> Dickie: don't read back there, they were talking about you, a cupcake, and one lonely night...
17:07 <@Dickie> I have no recollection of these events
17:12 <@klixa> damn, a cupcake... didn't even have the decency to make it a full size cake
17:14 < Evilpig_> heheheheh
17:15 < Evilpig_> [wilpig] I offer solutions, not guaranteed good ones
17:17 < Evilpig_> okay i've worked enough for today
17:17 < Evilpig_> it's time to head up to the office to make camp
17:19 <@oddball>  "I offer solutions, not guaranteed good ones" needs to be a T-shirt.
17:20 <@Dagmar> Oh dear.
17:20 <@Dagmar> It appears that Google will let me review my own app.
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17:24 <@shapr> Dagmar: DO IT
17:31 < aestetix> days like today I think I am so happy I am not the president
17:32 < aestetix> (I got 4 hours of sleep and feel like crap. IIC he gets that much sleep every day)
17:34 < Evilpig_> how many of those other 20 hours are dedicated to bangin' interns in the oval office?
17:35 < aestetix> man
17:35 < aestetix> I would totally do that
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17:41 <@shapr> aestetix: maybe presidents get more efficient sleep?
17:45 < Evilpig_> shapr: if I was bangin' 10 interns a day i'd be sleeping really good too
17:55 < aestetix> ok so
17:55 < aestetix> I have a new test for a CEO
17:55 < aestetix> have them sit through a really good sales pitch for a piece of shit
17:55 < aestetix> if they want to buy it at the end, they should not be a CEO
17:58 < aestetix> I wonder how many of today's CEOs would fail that test
18:05 <@Dagmar> shapr: It's going to take me awhile to come up with some appropriately evervescent statements about my diction, hygiene, and mental faculties
18:06 <@Dagmar> 'cuz if this is going to show up in the Play Store in bug letters, I want it to be hi-larious.
18:06 <@Dagmar> s/bug/big/
18:08 < Evilpig_> we can submit stuff.  "I don't know what happened but using this made my e-peen grow two full sizes"
18:09 < aestetix> I just got off an hour long phone call where rackspace was pitching the CEO every possible stupid upgrade that we don't need
18:09 < aestetix> "wow, I never considered that" well of course you haven't, it's not in your role to
18:17 < Synx|hm> hey Mirage vandy called me, thanks again for the heads up ill let ya know how it goes :)
18:22 <@Dagmar> loooool
18:22 <@Dagmar> Good luck with that
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18:41 < Synx|hm> eh?
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19:41 < aestetix> new metric for obama
19:41 < aestetix> if fox news is mad, he's doing a good job
19:44 <@opticron> if fox news is mad about him or mad about anything?
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20:22 <@Bahhumbug> Bullshit metric.  Fox hates him 24x7x365.
20:23 < Evilpig_> pretty sure you can say fox hates america
20:23 <@Bahhumbug> The average American is stupid.  Fox only exists for the stupid.
20:30 < RangerZ1> the _median_ age of Bill O'Reilly  is 72 years and for Fox News overall is 68.8
20:30 < RangerZ1> s/age/age of viewers is/
20:30 < RangerZ1> are*... w/e
20:31 <@klixa_> damn, 72
20:31 <@klixa_> must be a lot of 90 year olds in there
20:31 < RangerZ1> nah, just requires a lot of 72 year olds... median, not 'average'
20:31 < Evilpig_> I can attest to that.  my grandparents out in cali watch it constantly
20:32 < RangerZ1> but its not that 'much' different for other stations "while the average ages of MSNBC and CNN viewers were 62.5 and 62.8, respectively."
20:32 < RangerZ1> hmm... thats worded badly, i think that is 'also' median
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20:36 < RangerZ1> man... thats mean... http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/01/25/sarah-palin-iowa-speech_n_6543762.html
20:36 < PigBot`> Title: Sarah Palin's Bizarre Iowa Speech Gets Thanks -- From The Democrats (at www.huffingtonpost.com)
20:36 < RangerZ1> sending a "thank you" to palin after her rambling speech
20:37 < RangerZ1> if you haven't heard it... its pretty 'fantastic'... her telepromter freezes and she panics and starts rambling about how 'the man' is going to ride you, but you have to arch your bad for 'the man' to ride you properly
20:37 < RangerZ1> (and thats the 'most' normal thing she says....)
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20:49 <@Bahhumbug> If people would stop paying attention to her she would go away.
20:49 <@Bahhumbug> It's not as if she' relevant in any way.
20:50 < RangerZ1> sad thing is... she 'is' to ~20% of the population
20:50 < RangerZ1> the farthest right wing evangelical zealots... love her... eat her up... and all that
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20:52 <@Bahhumbug> Hint.  They can be safely ignored as well, especially since many of them will die this year.
20:52 <@Bahhumbug> That's the good thing about many of the right wing thumpers... they're getting up in years.
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21:54 <@Dagmar> A shame we can't hurry that up.
21:54 < Evilpig_> guess I should go heat my dinner up
21:55 < Evilpig_> it's already 10
21:57 <@Dagmar> ***FUCK YEAH*** http://m.bizjournals.com/nashville/blog/2015/01/google-hosting-nashville-news-conference-tuesday.html?r=full
21:57 < PigBot`> Title: Google hosting Nashville news conference Tuesday - Nashville Business Journal (at m.bizjournals.com)
21:58 < RangerZ1> ohh fuck yes
21:58 <@Bahhumbug> Interesting.
22:03 < RangerZ1> I bet Jules knew/is going
22:04 < RangerZ1> he's been working with downtown as a prof/business owner
22:05 <@Dagmar> I'll merrily represent the local 2600 group if I find out where it is
22:05 <@Dagmar> heheh
22:06 < RangerZ1> plus Nashville finished the permit/laws to allow google-fiber "node centers" or whatever funky name they gave them... but the neighborhood fiber routers/nodes
22:06 <@Dagmar> Hell I'll uStream or Livestream the thing
22:06 < Evilpig_> prepare for "nashville will be reconsidered in the next phase"
22:06 < RangerZ1> nah, they wouldn't do a press conf. HERE for that
22:06 < Evilpig_> or "the downtown loop will be the initial target area for google fiber"
22:06 <@Dagmar> That would not be worth a press conference
22:08 < RangerZ1> I'm sure the downtown loop will be first/easiest target
22:09 <@Dagmar> Unless it got backhoed there should be at least one loop of dark fiber running all along I-440
22:09 < Evilpig_> I would also be leery of showing up there.  that sounds like the kind of event crazy pants will be trying to get into through the tech council, etc
22:09 < RangerZ1> so?
22:09 < RangerZ1> let her mouth off
22:09 < Evilpig_> http://www.okcupid.com/profile/juno?cf=juno_mailer
22:09 < PigBot`> Title: OkCupid | juno / 32 / New York, New York (at www.okcupid.com)
22:10 < Evilpig_> just a warning she might claim one of you tried to rape her
22:10 < RangerZ1> I'd kill her with kindness
22:10 <@Dagmar> I'll set her on fire and the problem will be solved.
22:10 < Evilpig_> even with a hoarde of witnesses to the contrary, I wouldn't be surprised
22:11 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: http://www.okcupid.com/profile/heygirlhey_bk <-- much cuter
22:11 < PigBot`> Title: OkCupid | heygirlhey_bk / 30 / Brooklyn, New York (at www.okcupid.com)
22:11 < RangerZ1> agreed++
22:11 <@Dagmar> 41 Peabody Street, Nashville, TN 37210
22:11 <@Dagmar> Noon
22:12 < RangerZ1> ahh, the 'Nashville Entrepreneur Center' which google helps back
22:13 <@oddball> Evilpig_: You really think whether or not folks are present will stop her from making the acusations?
22:14 < Evilpig_> not even in the slightest
22:14 <@Dagmar> An accusation like that would be hilarious
22:14 < Evilpig_> I fully expect her to tell someone one of y'all tried to rape her and will make it sound like it just happened right there in front of everyone
22:14 <@Dagmar> I have no problems admitting I wouldn't fuck her with a borrowed dick
22:15 <@Dagmar> Looks like parking won't be much of an issue there
22:15 < RangerZ1> 'tomorrow' ?
22:15 < RangerZ1> i dunno
22:16 < RangerZ1> I might just take the bus from vandy
22:16 <@oddball> I would think about heading down there, but... uh... in Detroit right now.
22:19 < RangerZ1> oddball: not our fault you think cars are more important than google fiber avoiding your neighborhood
22:19 < RangerZ1> lol
22:20 <@Dagmar> Soo... get this
22:20 < RangerZ1> BUT this could end up raising rent prices in the areas with g-fiber, lol
22:21 <@Dagmar> Niantic's next anomaly event...  Shonin... https://twitter.com/ingress/status/557657224349511680
22:21 < PigBot`> Title: Ingress on Twitter: "Witness the Age of the Nzeer. The 証人 #Shonin Anomaly Series begins Feb 21: https://t.co/OHlwdkmfHr http://t.co/o1F4LqkoK7" (at twitter.com)
22:21 <@Dagmar> The dipshit lawyers for the James Bond francise are threatening to sue
22:21 <@Dagmar> ...because apparently they feel entitled to everything that looks like a swirly.
22:22 < Evilpig_> lol
22:22 < RangerZ1> ohh god... I was sitting here trying to think ... what is 'shonin' in Bond universe...
22:22 < Evilpig_> have they raised suit againts cannon, nikon, etc yet?
22:23 < _NSAKEY> At least it doesn't look like Goatse.
22:23 < RangerZ1> _NSAKEY: ignore that being ALL OVER in link's awakening for the GameBoy
22:23 < Evilpig_> what's wrong with goatse?
22:23 < _NSAKEY> Or the opening credits of The Big Bang Theory.
22:23 < Evilpig_> need I point this out again?  http://accidentalgoatse.tumblr.com/
22:23 < PigBot`> Title: Accidental Goatse (at accidentalgoatse.tumblr.com)
22:24 < RangerZ1> sorry, the rest of us don't think in -tumblr-
22:24 < RangerZ1> lol
22:24 <@oddball> Dagmar: Wait... they think they own the representation of looking through a rifled barrel?
22:25 <@Dagmar> That's not even a rifled barrel
22:25 <@Dagmar> It's a freakin' Sun
22:26 <@oddball> But that's what the James Bond "swirly" is
22:27 <@oddball> And... well... that looks a lot more like the inside of a rifled barrel than a sun.
22:27 <@Dagmar> Either way, I say it's high time we sent the Special Snowflake Committee after those fuckers
22:27 <@Dagmar> .. means "Witness"
22:28 <@Dagmar> In this case, it's supposed to be a stylized iris
22:28 <@Dagmar> Decidedly _not_ a gun barrel
22:28 <@Dagmar> Either way, let's send some angry femininsts after those dipshits for how terribly the entire francise objectifies women
22:28 <@oddball> heh
22:31 < _NSAKEY> So wait, are feminists the Special Snowflae Committee, or is that the name for the group that jumpstarts the controversy you wish to manufacture?
22:32 <@oddball> I believe feminists are a subset of the latter.
22:33 < _NSAKEY> But is the Special Snowflake Committee the group sending the feminists after the James Bond franchise owners, or the feminists themselves?
22:33 <@oddball> ...yes?
22:35 < _NSAKEY> I think we're getting different meanings from Dagmar's statement.
22:35 < _NSAKEY> The group doing the sending would be us.
22:35 < _NSAKEY> Are we (collectively) the special snowflake committee?
22:36 <@Dagmar> Nope
22:37 <@Dagmar> ...and #shotsfired because I just suggested such outright on G+
22:50 < RangerZ1> speaking of... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TgcqqbWLgA
22:50 < PigBot`> Title: FL Cops Use Mugshots of Black Men For Target Practice #UseMeInstead - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
22:53 <@Dagmar> Is that even legal?
22:53 <@Dagmar> I know they sure as hell won't let you do that at a legitimate shooting range
22:55 < _NSAKEY> It's always illegal when the police do it, no matter how tasteless.
22:55 < RangerZ1> its FL
22:56 < RangerZ1> "legal"
22:56 < RangerZ1> haha
22:56 < _NSAKEY> Just look at the news.
23:00 <@Bahhumbug> No, it's not even close to being legal.
23:00 <@Bahhumbug> People need be terminated over that
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23:18 <@oddball> Legal? yes.
23:19 <@oddball> In any way appropriate? no.
23:20 <@sdodson_> Yeah, I don't understand why it'd be illegal.
23:20 < aestetix> if you want a good laugh
23:20 < aestetix> do a youtube search for "yc demo day"
23:21 <@sdodson_> 5 years ago I learned to never click on a link aestetix posts. Now he's trying to convince me to search for things?
23:21 <@oddball> sdodson_: Because it's scandalous, and therefor should be illegal in people's minds.
23:21 < aestetix> sdodson_: what happened 5 year sago?
23:22 <@oddball> Dagmar: In fact, there are some "legitimate" ranges that will sell you targets that have photos of "bad guys" on them.
23:22 <@sdodson_> aestetix, 5 years ago was pretty arbitrary, but take it as a marker for when you discovered linkshorteners and thought it was cool to continously goatse folks
23:23 <@Dagmar> Yeah but... specific people?
23:23 <@Dagmar> That seems like a "terroristic threat" to me
23:23 <@oddball> Well, they won't sell them to you.
23:24 < _NSAKEY> oddball: Don't they sell stuff like that at gun shows?
23:24 <@oddball> yep
23:24 <@oddball> Hell, I think I've seen targets with Obama on them at gun shows.
23:25 <@oddball> Right nect to the "obama fucks pigs" T-shirts.
23:26 <@oddball> Dagmar: I will admit that it won't help you if you're shooting up a picture of your ex-girlfriend, and she decides that you're stalking/wanting to hurt her.
23:26 < _NSAKEY> I quit going to gun shows when he won, because Goodman's started having an ATF booth and I figured it was just a matter of time before they started watching everything more closely.
23:27 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: I'll be down at the news conf. send me a text if you're going
23:27 < _NSAKEY> I never bought anything too interesting (Mostly books/manuals to help with insomnia), but it seems like that behavior would stand out to those types.
23:28 <@oddball> _NSAKEY: They only had a booth there a couple times.  I think they got tired of being called terrible names to their faces.
23:28 < RangerZ1> thank god the ATF finally has a head
23:28 <@oddball> and... well... a complete lack of illicit activities.
23:28 < RangerZ1> so it can actually do work now
23:28 < _NSAKEY> Hahahaha.
23:28 < RangerZ1> hehe
23:28 < _NSAKEY> They tried offering me their only copy of the ATF regs. I declined.
23:28 < RangerZ1> but its such a congressionally crippled agency, that it barely has the manpower for 1/5th of its mandate
23:28 < _NSAKEY> Didn't want anyone getting the wrong idea.
23:29 <@oddball> You mean like telling people that holding certain guns the wrong way makes you a felon?
23:29 <@sdodson_> They got that tobacco on lockdown though!
23:29 < RangerZ1> it'll be ATMF soon enough
23:29 < RangerZ1> taxing marijuana
23:29 <@sdodson_> Yeah, meat...
23:29 <@sdodson_> oh
23:29 <@sdodson_> i kid
23:29 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ1: Does part of their mandate involve enabling things like the gunwalker scandal?
23:29 <@oddball> It needs to be disbanded.
23:30 < RangerZ1> _NSAKEY: actually yes, b/c they are crippled by federal law into not being allowed to act in states like NV where state laws prevent them from doing so
23:30 <@oddball> bullshit
23:30 < RangerZ1> ATF basically has no power in NV when it comes to guns
23:31 < RangerZ1> which I agree is bullshit
23:31 <@oddball> So, insteead, they tell gun stores to sell guns to bad guys, and then try to close down the shops for selling to bad guys?
23:31 < RangerZ1> and the entire gun smuggling thing is a comedy of errors
23:31 < RangerZ1> oddball: the GOP house investigation on that found that the ATF didn't do anything improper
23:32 < RangerZ1> and i'm SURE they were "fair and balanced" on the topic
23:32 <@oddball> Then why did the gun shops that they tried to close down win in court?
23:32 < RangerZ1> were _mistakes_ made, yes, but not intentional
23:32 <@oddball> bullshit
23:32 < RangerZ1> personally I don't know/care, just thats the congressional POV on it
23:33 <@oddball> What about the "stings" where they managed to lose machine guns and try to railroad mentally handycapped guys?
23:33 < RangerZ1> just that it doesn't 'jive' with what the National Rifle-manufacturers Association would like ... *shrugs*
23:34 <@Dagmar> We'll soon find out how anxious the dipshit lawers are to sue people
23:34 <@Dagmar> I just linked this out on G+ https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0cz5CYBDqDkR01Cd1RjbDhKY3M/view?usp=sharing
23:34 < PigBot`> Title: Shonin Anomaly Logo.svg - Google Drive (at drive.google.com)
23:34 < RangerZ1> again, thats a different case, that I'm not aware of, so I can't speak about it
23:34 <@oddball> Hell, I'll not saying that their function doesn't need to be done, just that the agency is so fucked up that it needs to be fired and the responsibility needs to be given to the FBI.
23:35 < RangerZ1> perhaps if they weren't underfunded every year and _literally_ leaderless for 7 years... it wouldn't be so bad
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23:36 <@oddball> If it was due to them not doing anything, I might agree with you.
23:36 <@oddball> I'm talking about absurd actions that they have taken.
23:36 < RangerZ1> 'absurd' = the legal loops they have to jump through to do their jobs too
23:37 <@oddball> bullshit
23:37 < RangerZ1> what is it.... more states allow felons to have guns than vote...
23:37 <@oddball> learn something beyond the talking points from the Huffington Post.
23:37 < RangerZ1> fuck the huffington post
23:37 <@oddball> ummm.... how's that?
23:38 <@oddball> There's a federal law stating that if you're a felon, you're not allowed to have guns.
23:39 < RangerZ1> "nonviolent felons in Minnesota state law provides that a felon can legally own a gun as soon as they have finished serving their sentence. In Louisiana, state law provides that after a "cleansing period" of 10 years in which a felon has not been convicted of an additional felony, their right to own a gun may be reinstated."
23:39 < RangerZ1> etc
23:39 < RangerZ1> federal law allows each state to define what a 'felon' is
23:39 < aestetix> That's interesting. I didn't know a federal law could remove a right explicitly granted by the constitution.
23:40 < RangerZ1> felons don't have all constitional protections
23:40 < RangerZ1> didn't you know that?
23:40 < aestetix> Such as?
23:40 < RangerZ1> you can be declared an enemy combatant
23:40 < RangerZ1> and executed by drone
23:41 < aestetix> I don't think you need to be a felon to get that :p
23:41 <@oddball> You also lose the right to vote, as RangerZ1 alludedd to.
23:41 < aestetix> oddball: states control that, not federal.
23:41 < RangerZ1> even in FEDERAL elections
23:41 <@oddball> Some states have mechanisms to possibly get your rights restored, but..
23:41 < aestetix> Uh, IIRC there are two states that allow felons to vote while they are in prison.
23:42 < RangerZ1> also the 'law' was more of a 'each state will promise to pass a law doing what we want, and in doing so, will get paid"
23:42 < RangerZ1> as most federal laws are
23:42 < aestetix> oh ok
23:42 < aestetix> like the drinking age
23:42 <@oddball> And, well... the Fed can pass whatever laws they want, but unconstitutional laws might get struck down by the courtts.
23:42 < aestetix> Tell that to South Carolina :p
23:43 <@oddball> There's a shit ton of laws that have been passed under the premiss of interstate commerce, for example.
23:43 < aestetix> yep
23:43 <@Dagmar> Ah the joys of app publishing.
23:43 < RangerZ1> which have all been upheld
23:43 < aestetix> Stemming from the Lochner case, iirc
23:43 <@oddball> And, well, the states are also restricted to the US constitution due to the 14th amendment.
23:44 < RangerZ1>  felons may petition the U.S. Attorney General's office, but the AG has since delegated this responsibility to the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), which has been forbidden by Congress since 1992 to fund the processing of such applications [sources: ATF].
23:44 <@oddball> Oh, and the 2nd amendment is a special one that lawmakers have tried desperately to ignore through the years.
23:44 < aestetix> hahaha
23:45 <@oddball> Or try to argue that it meant that it granted the state the right to own weapons.
23:45 < RangerZ1> not the state, the state militia ;)
23:46 <@oddball> Which just makes no damned sense.
23:46 < RangerZ1> BUT one of the very first laws the pilgrams ever passed was a ban on firing your gun within the city limits
23:46 < RangerZ1> and on rules for storing/limiting black powder
23:46 < aestetix> Because the pilgrims are such a role model for freedom
23:46 < aestetix> THey passed someo f the most puritan restrictive laws ever
23:46 < aestetix> And proceeded to not enforce any of them
23:46 < RangerZ1> well, it helps knick away the idea that 'we never had rules on guns in US'
23:47 <@oddball> Well, as long as you were one of the right types of people, they wouldn't enforcce them.
23:47 < RangerZ1> cannon ownership was struck down by the _first_ supreme court
23:47 < RangerZ1> b/c cannons were too dangerous
23:47 <@oddball> please cite that.
23:47 <@Dagmar> There *should* be restrctions on stori~ng black powder.
23:47 <@Dagmar> People make stupid decisions about where to store household cleaning products, for pete's sake
23:48 <@oddball> Because you can buy a period cannon now without any background checks, etc.
23:48 <@Dagmar> ...although I will admit that possibly accidentally releasing a load of mustard gas into the neighborhood is almost as bad
23:48 <@Dagmar> oddball: ...and as MythBusters has shown us, there are absolutely no restrictions on making them at home.  :)
23:49 <@Dagmar> No matter _what_ your track record for blowing shit up for giggles might be.
23:49 <@oddball> heh
23:50 <@oddball> People should be damn glad that the government hasn't tried to treat the rest of the constitution like it has the 2nd amendment.  Especially the bit about freedom of speech.
23:51 <@oddball> "oh, sorry, the founding fathers would have never been able to imagine the internet."
23:51 <@Dagmar> Well, not without calling in John Dee on a consult
23:52 <@Dagmar> ...and maybe perhaps giving Benjamin Franklin a very _strong_ dose of a tranquilizer first.
23:52 <@oddball> heh
23:53 < RangerZ1> In cases in the 19th Century, the Supreme Court ruled that the Second Amendment does not bar state regulation of firearms. I can't find the case name, but it was over Mass's banning of private ownership of cannons (IIRC)
23:53 <@Dagmar> Well, today's analog of that still stands.
23:53 <@Dagmar> Private citizens are not allowed to own nuclear weapons.
23:53 < RangerZ1> nope, they just have @femFreq.... twitter handles
23:54 < RangerZ1> much more dangerous
23:54 < RangerZ1> hehe
23:54 <@oddball> The ones that I'm aware of early on were quite the opposite.  They ruled that the state has the right to regulate weapons that weren't "of military purpose."
23:55 <@oddball> Hell, our navy was originally rented fromm rich guys/companies that owned ships that had canons to defend themselves from pirates.
23:55 < RangerZ1> Vanderbilt did the same in Civil War
23:55 <@oddball> So... I'm pretty sure you're mistaken.
23:55 < RangerZ1> he wanted to donate his fleet to fighting those traitorous southern bastards
23:55 < RangerZ1> ;)
23:56 <@oddball> Earliest wapons case I'm aware of was dealing with a ban on bowie knives.
23:58 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2Cyk-WcvfE
23:58 < PigBot`> Title: DAC Information Workshop January 18, 2015 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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