--- Log opened Fri Jan 23 00:00:13 2015
00:12 <@oddball> but.... cameras must be in everything!
00:13 <@Evilpig> everything?  are you sure?
00:13 <@Evilpig> I don't think a camera will be all that effective inside a vajankle
00:16 < dfused> giggity
00:16 <@oddball> Someone will do it.
00:16 <@oddball> And hook it up to a live web feed and charge money for it.
00:17 < dfused> yup
00:19 < aestetix> Evilpig: http://www.gothamair.com/
00:19 < PigBot`> Title: fly-by-design (at www.gothamair.com)
00:19 < aestetix> this is fucking cool
00:22 < aestetix> oh fuck me really?!
00:22 < aestetix> you have to install a fucking app to use it?
00:29 <@Evilpig> hehehe I just added a mime to opendcim.
00:30 <@Evilpig> I don't know what dolemite is gonna say about that
00:30 -!- K4k__ [~K4k@23.31.151.141] has joined #se2600
00:30 < aestetix> well the mime won't say anything
00:31 <@Dagmar> "A datacenter so quiet you can hear a mime fart."
00:34 -!- K4k__ [~K4k@23.31.151.141] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
00:35 <@Evilpig> https://github.com/samilliken/openDCIM/blob/254d6ab6d1dd17f706c7052f3d7e971152690366/images/mimesearch.gif
00:35 < PigBot`> Title: openDCIM/mimesearch.gif at 254d6ab6d1dd17f706c7052f3d7e971152690366 · samilliken/openDCIM · GitHub (at github.com)
00:36 < aestetix> klixa: do you find testosterone to be a turn-on?
00:38 <@Evilpig> wow.  not that I expect different from these ratings.  http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/mortdecai/
00:53 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@69.137.107.2] has joined #se2600
00:53 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o RangerZ] by ChanServ
01:04 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mBJRmQN3Mo HAHAHA... god... we can only hope...
01:04 < PigBot`> Title: Pope Francis: Climate Change is Real and I Enjoy Messing With Rush Limbaugh? - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:11 <@RangerZ> great take on the MSFT win 10 press conf. for most of us https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=beny_-IJAyE
01:11 < PigBot`> Title: Microsoft Windows 10 Press Conference - Jan. 22nd, 2015 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:16 -!- InfoSecDog [~user@c-50-155-6-109.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has quit []
01:44 < aestetix> vagina
01:51 <@klixa> aestetix: that's a strange question... the testosterone one
02:07 -!- rattleX [~rattleXx@104.207.192.98] has joined #se2600
02:10 -!- rattle [~rattleXx@tor/regular/rattle] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds]
02:21 <@Dagmar> Let me guess.
02:22 <@Dagmar> byte second1Value = (byte) (relevantTime % 60 / 10) actually converts relevantTime to a byte before doing the modulus and division
02:23 <@Dagmar> ...which, seeing as how relevantTime is generally at least a short from 0-629999, could be a problem
02:23 <@Dagmar> New way to fail learned... moving on
02:37 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@69.137.107.2] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
02:41 < aestetix> klixa: why?
02:42 < aestetix> since testosterone is masculine, and you like men, I figured you like testosterone
02:57 -!- Bahhumbug [jrd@serentos/admin/jrd] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
03:05 -!- Bahhumbug [jrd@serentos/admin/jrd] has joined #se2600
03:05 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o Bahhumbug] by ChanServ
03:43 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600
03:44 -!- dasunt [~dasunt@192.249.59.215] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds]
03:45 -!- dasunt [~dasunt@192.249.59.215] has joined #se2600
04:01 < aestetix> hmm
04:01 < aestetix> https://www.grc.com/vpn/routing.htm
04:01 < PigBot`> Title: GRC | OpenVPN HOWTO Guide: Routing vs Bridging (at www.grc.com)
04:01 < aestetix> according to this, I DO want bridge mode
04:01 <@Dagmar> According to the presence of the string 'grc' you're about to fuck up
04:01 < aestetix> haha
04:18 < RangerZ> so... it looks like '  root@nashville2600.org' no longer works
04:18 -!- klixa [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fabwwldqseydenrb] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
04:18 < RangerZ> also, I just bombarded the email lists with the written request for the books, and 'written contracts' for nashville2600
04:26 <@Bahhumbug> nashville2600.org has been dead for some time I believe.
04:26 <@Bahhumbug> And +1 for the written demand.
04:53  * aestetix hugs Bahhumbug 
07:38 <@Dagmar> Aha
07:38 <@Dagmar> Now i know what was going wrong
07:39 <@Dagmar> ...and I've no idea how to fix it
07:50  * Bahhumbug does humanity as a whole a favor and stabs aestetix in the nuts
07:51 <@Bahhumbug> Note To Self: When adding a host to backuppc ensure that there is a config file for it present in /etc/BackupPC/pc limiting what it will backup.
07:51 <@Bahhumbug> It kinda sucks when a single host that should be ~1.4 - ~1.5 gig decides to dump 167G of data.
07:52 <@Dagmar> wheeee
07:52 <@Dagmar> You know any java?
07:53 <@Dagmar> I can now--probably--express my problem coherently
08:13 <@Bahhumbug> Heh, no.  I've never had any inclination to learn java.
08:13 <@Dagmar> Shucks.
08:13 <@Dagmar> You'll appreciate the pain in my ass this is tho'
08:13 <@Dagmar> So like, these home screen widgets all hang off a common thread
08:14 <@Dagmar> ...and the update function that updates the display is "static" so that the thread won't instantate extra copies of it if more than one widget is put on the screen
08:14 <@Dagmar> ...well, more than one copy of the same widget.
08:14 <@Dagmar> That's perfectly reasonable since they should all update the same way
08:14 <@Dagmar> However...
08:15 <@Dagmar> I'm actually initializing some variables to special values to represetnt that no update has taken place before so every element on the screen should get updated
08:15 <@Dagmar> They're _also_ being made common to all threads
08:15 <@Dagmar> ...so when the onUpdate is called, it sets those variables to what it pushes to the display
08:16 <@Dagmar> ...and the next instantation of the widget sees _those_ values and thinks the display has already been updated.
08:16 <@Dagmar> ...and apparently you can't directly access a non-static variable from outside the class from within a static class.
08:17 -!- noogums [~n00gums@24-196-6-151.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has joined #se2600
08:19 <@Bahhumbug> Nothing about java surprises me.  I may not know the language, but I _do_ know many that make a (good) living off of it and I wouldn't trust the overwhelming majority of them to tie their own shoes without injuring themselves.
08:19 <@Bahhumbug> (This is not a reflection upon _you_)
08:20 <@Bahhumbug> s/java/php/
08:20 <@Dagmar> I can recognize when my shoes are on my ears.
08:20 <@Bahhumbug> hah
08:20 -!- n00gums [~n00gums@24-196-6-151.dhcp.leds.al.charter.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
08:24 <@Dagmar> I think it's a pretty good analogy for where I'm at with this
08:24 <@Dagmar> I'm wearing the shoes.  They're just not being worn on the parts I want them.
08:24 <@Dagmar> So... I'm getting closer.
08:40 <@Bahhumbug> heh
08:41 <@Bahhumbug> (Excuse response delays.  I am on the phone with a client that's about to get unloaded up just before I terminate our business arrangement.
08:41 <@Bahhumbug> s/up/on/
08:50 <@opticron> Dagmar, so you're having problems accessing non-static members/functions from static members/functions of the same class?
08:50 -!- PeteDaGuru [~PeteDaGur@66-169-24-35.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has joined #se2600
08:51 <@opticron> or...wait, can't access non-static members of class A from static methods of class B
08:57 <@Dagmar> I'm keeping everything in one class just to keep my sanity
08:58 <@Dagmar> But... my far more intelligent question is this... how the fuck do I ensure it instantates a new set of default-bearing variables every time the widget is instantated
08:59 <@Dagmar> Surely I don't make hte entire class static
08:59 <@Dagmar> Two copies of the widget should have two separate copies of the variables that store what it's displayed
09:00 <@Dagmar> I'm not about to do some crazy getImageViewResource stuff
09:00 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure that would be a lot more CPU blown than just checking a simple byte value
09:01 <@Dagmar> It's that they presently share the same value across instances that's burning me
09:03 <@Dagmar> I'm setting them up inside the main class (unimaginatively called 'ExtraFancyWidget') and then trying to use them down inside ExtraFancyWidget.updateAppWidget
09:04 <@Dagmar> It's called per instantation, so I really should be using per-instantation variables
09:04 <@Dagmar> However, if I set it static, the entire thing tells me to bugger off
09:05 <@Dagmar> ...becuase then it can't access the non-static members in the parent scope anymore
09:08 <@opticron> does the static function not have a reference to the instance in question?
09:09 <@opticron> I know it doesn't have "this", but to get to those members, you'd have to pass it the instance it's supposed to be accessing
09:10 <@Dagmar> o.O
09:10 <@opticron> which kind of defeats the point of making it static
09:11 <@opticron> unless the static function is being used as a callback and the instance is being provided as a generic Object data blob that your static function knows is its enclosing class type
09:11 <@Dagmar> I was under the impression there was a way to define variables that would be instantated with a default value, per instantation
09:12 <@opticron> yeah, those are non-static members
09:12 <@opticron> but you can't get a hold of those unless you have a class reference to pull them out of
09:13 <@Dagmar> Well, what we have to work with is the following:
09:13 <@Dagmar>         Log.v("pels", "cycleindex is " + Byte.toString(cycleIndex))";
09:13 <@Dagmar> no wrong paste
09:14 -!- K4k__ [~K4k@130.207.218.197] has joined #se2600
09:14 <@Dagmar> updateAppWidget(Context context, AppWidgetManager appWidgetManager, int appWidgetId)
09:14 <@Dagmar> Those are what gets passsed down
09:14 <@Dagmar> ...and I've no idea which of them are instantation-specific yet
09:15 <@Dagmar> I supose I could leave that function public and declare the outside things static but that seems too easy
09:17 <@Dagmar> RemoteViews views = new RemoteViews(context.getPackageName(), R.layout.extrafancy); <-- this happens early on, and as best I can tell, context is what it's hanging it's unique name off of
09:17 -!- K4k__ [~K4k@130.207.218.197] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
09:17 <@Dagmar> ...because thankfully it doesn't go updaring all the widgets from just one call into views
09:18 -!- K4k__ [~K4k@frontend.gtri.gatech.edu] has joined #se2600
09:22 <@Dagmar> I thought I was on the right track when I started hunting down someone else clock widget example that actually did some configuration
09:22 <@Dagmar> ...but no... they call some sharedconfiguration thing which is a long road to being global
09:28 <@Dagmar> I think for the moment I'm just going to tell people to not put more than one on the homescreen at a time until Iv'e gotten this figured out
09:28 <@Dagmar> It's still a beta so *shrug*
09:36 <@Dagmar> I'm going to put the last bits of "shiny" into place and then worry about concurrency
09:40 <@opticron> Dagmar, looking at the appwidgetmanager, you'll probably want to use getAppWidgetOptions with the provided ID to store instance-specific information
09:41 <@opticron> and updateAppWidgetOptions
09:41 <@Dagmar> Hmm....
09:41 <@opticron> you can shove pretty much anything into a Bundle
09:42 <@Dagmar> That's a bunch tho
09:42 <@Dagmar> er bundle
09:42 <@Dagmar> I mean it'll probably work, but it won't be simple and I could swear there really should be a way for an instantation to take on a private copy of global variables
09:42 <@Dagmar> ...since every other language on the planet can do that
09:43 <@opticron> it sounds like widgets are a special, stupid case for android/java
09:43 <@opticron> because I know that normal java classes don't have this problem
09:43 <@opticron> and by special/stupid, it's probably being used as a singleton or something
09:44 <@Dagmar> I'll probably wind up putting this on github once I've beaten the most egregious messes out of it
09:45 -!- PeteDaGuru [~PeteDaGur@66-169-24-35.dhcp.gnvl.sc.charter.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving.]
09:45 <@Dagmar> UNtil them I'm just keeping it local because it would take me longer to answer emails containing questions about why I did such and such dumb thing than it will take me to get circle back around and fix them
09:46 <@Dagmar> I am freely using switch statements where a more complex array construction would be more compact, just because I am still not sure if I'm only doing the 1-2 things in each case
09:46 <@Dagmar> ...becuase I can.
09:46 <@Dagmar> Heh
09:47 <@Dagmar> Also when something breaks I have a small number of large, simple pieces instead of a large number of small, exceptionally fiddly pieces
09:48 <@Dagmar> ...and I would rather not crash my phone anymore.
09:48 < Synx|hm_> wtf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEG-ly9tQGk
09:48 <@Dagmar> I already found a few things that cause a race condition which reboots the entire goddamn phone.  hehhehe
09:48 < PigBot`> Title: Lars Andersen: a new level of archery - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
09:50 <@Dagmar> Also, because of the way I'm avoiding updating views when I don't need to, half the display is basically a binary representation of stuff
09:51 <@Dagmar> ...but not a straightforward binary... A sequence like 1 1 1 1 1, 1 1 1 1 0, 0 1 1 1 0, 0 1 1 0 0, and so on, which as an array (4, 12, 14, 30, 31) would be *completely* gnomic without comments
09:54 <@Dagmar> Also if I put it up on github now, some asshole is likely to steal it and put it up on the play store with ads or something equally bullshit
10:07 < Synx|hm_> damn it you are on to me
10:07 -!- Synx|hm_ is now known as Synx|hm
10:08 < Synx|hm> Dagmar: i dont have the mental capacity this morning to scroll up and read, what you making?
10:13 <@Dagmar> A huge mess.
10:13 <@Dagmar> :)
10:13 <@Dagmar> Actually, once I get this last bit mostly working I'll stick the thing up on my webserver
10:14 <@Dagmar> I'm sure there will be plenty in it for experienced java developers to frighten children with
10:17 <@Dagmar> OKay... this might not make the phone catch fire.  Let's find out!
10:19 <@Dagmar> Wow.
10:19 <@Dagmar> That _totally_ didn't work.
10:22 <@Dagmar> I was imple,enting some stuff to make what amounts to a series of lights go out over time
10:22 <@Dagmar> Every damn one of htem just disappeared
10:28 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
10:55 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]
11:01 <@Dagmar> It seems updateAppWidget is somehow static whether I like it or not
11:01 < Synx|hm> my brain hurts, what is this android dev? what you coding in?
11:02 <@Dagmar> Yes.
11:02 <@Dagmar> I just got "erro: non-static variable outerblobsShwoing cannot be reference from a static context" even though I have declared it public
11:03 <@Dagmar> When I started dumping both the caching value and the current value to the log, and seeing zero continually show up although I'm setting the cached value to match the current one after an update, it got my attention
11:07 -!- klixa [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xklqvbvhsxbdqkio] has joined #se2600
11:07 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
11:14 <@Dagmar> Okay.  Simple question:
11:14 <@Dagmar> How do I get a local copy of a class variable into a method?
11:14 <@Dagmar> Like within class bigThing I've defined someValue to be 32.
11:15 <@Dagmar> ...and I've got bigThing.someFunction which needs a local copy of it
11:18 <@Dagmar> I suspect new() is in some way involved
11:20 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@DHCP-129-59-122-54.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has joined #se2600
11:20 <@Dagmar> There you are
11:22 <@Dagmar> For hilarity: http://dagmar.isamotherfucking.ninja/~dagmar/SepticlockWidget/app/src/main/java/surrealestates/septiclockwidget/ExtraFancyWidget.java
11:25 <@Dagmar> I think I'm just going to let the thing update every element of the display every damn time for now
11:26 <@Dagmar> It'll be inefficient, but at least it will work
11:38 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has joined #se2600
11:43 <@Evilpig> RangerZ: wanna place bets on you getting a constructive response?
11:44 -!- dfused [~dfused@64.203.232.38.dyn-cm-pool-36.pool.hargray.net] has quit []
11:45 <@Mirage> I'm fairly confident that it will be met with quiet disregard.
11:46 <@Evilpig> guess I should connect up to the vpn for all team
11:46 <@Mirage> Unless Corydon is still the treasurer...I think he'll realise the fact that the information should be open to any/all members.
11:46 < RangerZ> Mirage: he is
11:46 <@Evilpig> he is, but he's also in that group that was hiding it in the first place
11:48 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: I just threw out all the attempted caching
11:48 <@Dagmar> I have no idea wTF I'm doing with this scoping yet
11:48 < RangerZ> ahh, yeah, java scoping 'can' be painful
11:48 <@Dagmar> 'can'
11:48 <@Dagmar> lol
11:48 < RangerZ> especially when using singletons
11:49 <@Evilpig> I don't even want to think about scoping and singletons
11:49 <@Dagmar> Well, I'm pretty sure after ripping all that out, the entire thing will more or less work now
11:49 < RangerZ> hehe... you should have seen his repsonse to things I said in PM last night... "YOU SAY 'IN ORDER'...."
11:49 < RangerZ> I could have imagined the look on his face at the time
11:50 < Synx|hm> fucking hackaday... lists cool project links to rando libs guy uses in project but only to a fucking youtube video of him pushing buttons, i have to wait till the end of the fucking video to get a picture of a github url jesus
11:50 < Synx|hm> how about you take a bit more time while writing that blog post fucker
11:50 <@Evilpig> they got you to watch their entire video and generate their ad revenue
11:51 <@Evilpig> post worked.
11:51 < RangerZ> ad revenue only cares if you 'watch' the ad
11:51 < RangerZ> but ... 'youtube has ads?' ?
11:51 < RangerZ> lol
11:51 < Synx|hm> adblocker and youtube center for the win
11:51 <@Evilpig> taking time to click the button tot close the ad counts
11:51 <@Evilpig> but yes adblocker ftw
11:53 <@Dagmar> After I remove a feature from the list, this will be 1.0
11:54 <@NotLarry> ok, someone is complaining that I have an office in the hospital and an office on the University campus...
11:57 -!- dfused [~dfused@64.203.232.38.dyn-cm-pool-36.pool.hargray.net] has joined #se2600
11:57 <@NotLarry> Someone at work comes up and tells me the joke his 16 year old daughter told him about the guy frozen to absolute zero, which I know the joke, so I tell him to tell his daughter being a nerd was ok because there are 10 kinds of people in this world and he didn't get the joke.
12:02 -!- K4k__ [~K4k@frontend.gtri.gatech.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
12:09 <@Mirage> NotLarry: If it were me, I'd just be complaining that you had an office.
12:18 -!- K4k__ [~K4k@frontend.gtri.gatech.edu] has joined #se2600
12:19 <@Evilpig> ARRRRRRGGGGGG!!!!! fuckin' useless middle management cunt
12:19 <@Evilpig> yesterday the thing asked me the width and dept of a computer rack to put a shelf in it
12:20 <@Evilpig> 1) wtf? we use _STANDARD_ 19" equipment racks
12:20 <@Evilpig> 2) she was sitting right next to one and had a tape measure ON THE FUCKING DESK NEXT TO HER
12:21 <@Evilpig> I sent out an email with the serial numbers, asset tags, current locations, and their connections for four switches titled "Switches for C405 and C410"
12:21 <@Evilpig> she hit me up this morning asking if the switches listed in that email were racked for testing...
12:22 <@Evilpig> her words "did you rack those for neteng to test something?"
12:22 < Synx|hm> 'nope sure didn't'
12:22 <@Evilpig> She responded to the email describing what they were and what they were for!
12:23 <@Evilpig> I'm beyond flabbergasted right now.  I just cannot fathom how someone can operate in technology, formerly as a tech, and have so little clue as to what the fuck is going on!
12:23 <@Evilpig> btw.  www.nbcsports.com/ads
12:24 < Synx|hm> Evilpig: you should see the telecom world it blows my mind when i deal with clients who are the lead unified communications engineers at their organization and dont have a clue what the hell they are doing
12:25 < Synx|hm> then outsourced offshore qa testers that dont even have a basic understanding of VoIP *facepalm*
12:26 < Synx|hm> i've delivered training to clients onsite where it has been 100% offshore outsourced workers who were so clueless i got to last day of training of 2 week long session, and they all asked questions from day one
12:28 <@Evilpig> this person is the "site lead" she's stopped doing any of the work and now has no clue what is going on outside of what has been planned to be done
12:30 <@NotLarry> Mirage: That is exactly why we don't have your kind of people around here, logic.
12:32 <@NotLarry> Synx|hm: What kind of telephony?
12:32 < RangerZ> NotLarry: I'm surprised you haven't put your bike into one of those "offices"
12:33 <@NotLarry> RangerZ: ok, now seriously, I'm working in two different data centers for two different companies.
12:34 < Synx|hm> NotLarry: i do telephony performance load and regression testing, we have software that can emulate x (think thousands) of IP phones in Cisco, Avaya, Genesys, generic SIP etc and place and receive calls and report on voice quality and other performance metrics, also deliver calls via pstn
12:35 <@NotLarry> Synx|hm: you pee phones?  I pee urine...
12:35 <@NotLarry> sorry, watched the website is down yesterday, been looking for that.
12:35 < Synx|hm> NotLarry: also IVR testing and backend CTI testing
12:35 <@NotLarry> Damn it, I can't even get drug testing here.
12:36 <@Evilpig> if you can't get tested, how will you know if they are working right or not?
12:36 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@DHCP-129-59-122-54.n1.vanderbilt.edu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
12:38 < Synx|hm> im so confused
12:38 < Synx|hm> what the fuck are we talking about here
12:41 < dfused> toasters
12:42 < Synx|hm> k cool just making sure im on the same page
13:19 <@Dagmar> wheeee
13:27 -!- K4k__ [~K4k@frontend.gtri.gatech.edu] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.0.1]
13:27 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has joined #se2600
13:37 -!- cyberanger [cyberanger@swissknife/adak/infocop411] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
13:39 <@Mirage> It's only 12:38?  Damn, today is just crawling by..
13:39 -!- cyberanger [cyberanger@2600:3c02::f03c:91ff:fe84:1c0] has joined #se2600
13:41 <@Dagmar> MAYBE FOR YOU
13:42 <@Dagmar> I just had to generate another 400 image giles
13:42 <@Dagmar> er files
13:42 <@NotLarry> Dagmar: I see the meth is working well...
13:42 <@Dagmar> Meth would probably make this easier
13:42 <@Dagmar> ...but, seeing as how five months ago I would have fallen asleep at the keyboard twice by now for trying this, I'd say I'm improving.
14:30 < Synx|hm> good idea/bad idea? use my pfsense firewall as the cert authority for all services in my lan/vlans?
14:30 < Synx|hm> im tired of clicking through chrome unknown CA messages when using vcenter etc
14:36 <@Mirage> your own vcenter at home?
14:38 < Synx|hm> i have my entire home core on a single ESXi host including pfsense as my layer3 router and wan firewall
14:38 < Synx|hm> and yes i have vcenter setup for managing all of these vm's
14:38 <@Mirage> If you're doing things at home (or internally at work) and want to have "trusted" certs, it's _always_ a good idea to create and use your own CA.
14:38 < Synx|hm> 10Gbe virtualized backups to a zfs pool is heavenly
14:39 <@Mirage> That way you just trust the ca cert for your internal CA and everything else just falls into place.
14:39 < Synx|hm> just need to deploy a freeradius vm that support yubikey for 2factor vpn
14:40 < Synx|hm> ya thats the plan just wanted to make sure hosting the CA on pfsense wasn't stupid for some reason i couldn't think of
14:40 <@Mirage> Never done it, but i doubt there'd be an issue with it.
14:46 < Synx|hm> the new vcenter 5.5 web client is tits
14:46 < Synx|hm> so happy to get rid of the vsphere thick-client for every day use
14:46 < Synx|hm> can even manage and launch console from my chromebook
14:59 < aestetix> this is epic
14:59 < aestetix> http://ascii.textfiles.com/archives/4546
15:01 <@shapr> VAINA
15:02 <@shapr> !ud vaina
15:35 -!- RangerZ [~rangerz@c-69-137-107-2.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #se2600
15:48 -!- klixa [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xklqvbvhsxbdqkio] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
15:49 -!- K4k [~K4k@unaffiliated/k4k] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds]
15:55 < RangerZ> if anyone wanted a majora's mask 3DS , gamestop has more
15:55 < RangerZ> you have to go an prepay
15:55 < RangerZ> and*
16:07 < RangerZ> http://tinyurl.com/n3gfgef Free Chipolte on Monday (you get free coupon on Monday) , thought you might be interested
16:07 < PigBot`> Title: Free Chipotle burritos next Monday, January 26, 2015 - newsnet5.com Cleveland (at tinyurl.com)
16:24 <@Mirage> Synx|hm: sorry, I like the thick client
16:25 < Synx|hm> not when shit goes really bad and you dont have any windows boxes around ;)
16:25 < Synx|hm> but i keep it around, it has its uses
16:28 <@Dagmar> I see one thing hasn't changed
16:28 <@Dagmar> People writing Java documentation--or what they feel to be documentation--still like to show off their big words
16:33 < Synx|hm> 800Mbps write speed over NFS to my ZFS pool aint too shabby
16:41 -!- klixa [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ntxzeabapzzjekub] has joined #se2600
16:41 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o klixa] by ChanServ
16:45 < aestetix> klixa: so the reason I ask about testosterone is I find it a turn-off
16:46 < aestetix> so girls with beards are a no go for me :p
16:46 <@klixa> :(
16:46  * klixa shaves
16:46 < aestetix> and I was wondering if girls find it attractive
16:46 <@klixa> it was just weird because I mean it's not like I know the testosterone level in a male
16:47 < aestetix> yeah but you can tell right?
16:47 <@klixa> well I prefer angular over curvy faces
16:47 <@klixa> I like facial hair
16:47 <@klixa> I don't like body hair tho...
16:48 <@klixa> I prefer active and competitive over weak and lazy
16:48 < aestetix> you can tell if a guy has lots of it versus someone who doesnt right?
16:48 <@Dagmar> *facepalm*
16:48 < aestetix> what
16:48 <@Dagmar> I just had stackoverflow accuse me of being bots
16:48 < aestetix> haha
16:48 <@Dagmar> lol
16:48 < dfused> doh
16:48 <@Dagmar> Fuck me for actually reading explanations
16:48 <@klixa> I can tell if someone is masculine
16:49 <@Dagmar> At least it just threw a captcha at me
17:03 <@Dickie> I like women
17:03 <@Dickie> The womaner the better
17:04 <@Dickie> I intend to scientifically prove that 4:00 to 5:00 on work days is actually longer than one hour
17:07 <@Bahhumbug> Dickie: Solution: Go home at 3.
17:11 < RangerZ> Dickie: the ether extends the time-dialation because of the neutrinos interacting with the tachyon rays
17:11 < RangerZ> Star Trek TNG proved that somewhere in season 2 or 3
17:12  * Dickie runs a level 2 diagnostic
17:13 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: So... Fun thing I came across this morning
17:13 < RangerZ> oh god...
17:13 < RangerZ> I'm scared..
17:14 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: Apparently, my expectation that I could use globally scoped variables was wrong
17:14 < RangerZ> in java... generally true ;)
17:14 < RangerZ> in Android, almost always true
17:14 < RangerZ> in widgets, OMG WTFBBQ
17:14 < RangerZ> ;) hehe
17:14 <@Dagmar> Well, _obnoxiously_ true in this case, since I was counting on being able to cache some values in prep for following invocations
17:15 <@Dagmar> I finally noticed that they were *always* showing up with their default initialized values
17:15 <@Dagmar> EXCEPT in one higly hilarious case
17:16 <@Dagmar> For whatever reason, the variables I was caching the time broken into digits was caching great
17:16  * Mirage guesses that its when they don't
17:16 <@Dagmar> In fact, it was sharing between instances of the widget
17:16 <@Dagmar> So, when I thought I was having the event gobbled up by the first reciever, I wasn't
17:17 <@Dagmar> ...becuase the first instance would go update all those variables, and when the second instance did it's thing, it would think the display had already been updated, so it would do nothing.
17:20 <@Dagmar> I completely do not like the way this environment works, so far
17:21 < RangerZ> yeah... I'm not a fan of android studio at all
17:21 < aestetix> https://medium.com/message/we-should-all-step-back-from-security-journalism-e474cd67e2fa
17:21 < PigBot`> Title: We Should All Step Back from Security Journalism — The Message — Medium (at medium.com)
17:21 <@Dagmar> Oh the IDE I have no problems with
17:22 <@Dagmar> What I have problems with is that everything written about this stuff seems to assume _you already know it_
17:23 < RangerZ> intelleJ seems fine, just I don't like the "helpful guides and tools" they added in... which hide things, and make me go 'wtf is this shit' when something that 'was' auto-magically working before with the new build system no longer works, etc...
17:23 < RangerZ> Dagmar: yeah...
17:23 < RangerZ> sit down... and let me tell you a story...
17:23 < RangerZ> (think thats close to decard cain's quote)
17:24 < RangerZ> Doug had to call Doug Lea... the guy who WROTE the java concurency library, to figure out wtf was going on
17:24 < RangerZ> because all other documentation was obtuse and/or contradictory
17:24 <@Dagmar> I don't doubt it
17:25 < RangerZ> the two of us, and sr. researcher from optio labs were trying to figure out how certain locking mechanims were 'meant' to be used
17:25 < RangerZ> and it took us 2+ days
17:25 <@Dagmar> Surely...
17:25 < RangerZ> and then he just called
17:26 <@Dagmar> So, for what I need to do, I basically need to store a trivial amount of information between invocations
17:26 <@Dagmar> ...and I keep getting steered twards SharedPreferences
17:26 <@Dagmar> That can't be the right thing to use
17:30 <@Dagmar> I'm sure there's some goddamn datastructure I can stick things onto, if I can just _find_ it
17:30 <@Dagmar> They can't have been so dim as to design this so that users can't stick things directly onto whatever it's useing as it's instance id
17:33 < RangerZ> yeah
17:33 < RangerZ> they are the right thing to use
17:34 < RangerZ> shared prefs. is a 'simple' DB
17:34 <@Dagmar> Doesn't it _write to storage_?
17:34 <@Dagmar> Call me a purist but this shoudln't leave volatile RAM
17:36 < RangerZ> shared prefs is kinda "magical"
17:37 < RangerZ> http://developer.android.com/guide/topics/data/data-storage.html#pref
17:37 < PigBot`> Title: Storage Options | Android Developers (at developer.android.com)
17:37 < RangerZ> not really 'magical', but it allows you to store a small hashtable of key/value pairs, in persistent storage, that you don't have to manage
17:37 < RangerZ> stored 'along with' your app's internal storage
17:43 <@Dagmar> Yeah but still, it's inappropriate for this data
17:43 < RangerZ> its actually really easy to use, but then you'd have issues where 'every' widget would have the same values
17:43 <@Dagmar> It's not a "preference" of any sort.  It doesn't even bear relevance to the user
17:43 < RangerZ> 'what is it then' ?
17:44 < RangerZ> blue or green?
17:44 <@Dagmar> WhaT I'm looking to do is essentiall cache session information tied to the widget's instantation
17:44 <@Dagmar> There's got to be a way to at least attach it to the data structure of the parent somehow
17:44 < RangerZ> and if blue, then the counter fucks with them by putting in letters instead of numbers sometimes?
17:44 < RangerZ> or counting backwards every 5th second
17:45 < RangerZ> hehe
17:45 <@Dagmar> ...and as I understan it shared prefs would exist between reboots, which would be mad
17:45 <@Dagmar> Oh believe me
17:45 <@Dagmar> I've already had two people ask me about "themeing" it
17:45 <@Dagmar> I'm like, WTF
17:45 <@Dagmar> IT'S WHOLE REASON FOR EXISTANCE IS TO LOOK LIKE PART OF THE GAME
17:46 <@Dagmar> It's not meant to be "user configurable"
17:46 <@Dagmar> I'm actually considering... IF I can get the fucker working with 0 wasted cycles... to go poke someone at Niantic and say "You know... it would be really swell if we had a way to poll global MU counts easily over say, plain HTTP."
17:47 <@Dagmar> Then make _everyone's_ counter match the color of the faction in the lead
17:47 <@Dagmar> If I makd a enl/res config option, I will not be held responsible for if some counters mysteriously become five minutes slow during anomaly events
17:47 <@Dagmar> 'cuz that would be too, too funny
17:48 <@Dagmar> I'm still trying to wrap my head around what the exact nature of the context IDs are, because I *think* I can probably, maybe, get away with creating a package and stashing the values in there
17:49 <@Dagmar> I don't need any of this to survive the process exit
17:49 <@Dagmar> For a moment I contemplated actually using getImageViewResource and comparing resource IDs
17:49 <@Dagmar> ...but that seems rather counter to the goal of _not burning CPU as fast as possible_
17:51 <@Dagmar> I gotta get the hang of the way scope works before I can try the next stunt
17:51 <@Dagmar> ...quietly obtaining player inventory.
17:51 <@Dagmar> There are *so* many wonderful things I could do if I could get at that programmatically
17:52 <@Dagmar> Picture this... Two players, two inventories, teo seaprate locations, lots of keys
17:52 <@Dagmar> Wouldn't it be _nice_ to be able to immediately work out which keys you have in common with another player in order to drop a field into place
17:57 < RangerZ> Dagmar: if you REALLY want to fun, we could create an invisible activity, that creates mouse events
17:58 <@Dagmar> Nope
17:58 <@Dagmar> 1. Requires root
17:58 < RangerZ> then 'auto-plays' blue accounts
17:58 < RangerZ> and dumps all keys
17:58 <@Dagmar> 2. I will not do bots.
17:58 < RangerZ> it wouldn't be a 'bot'
17:58 <@Dagmar> "Mind of god" on the other hand, I consider _tewtelly_ on the table
17:58 <@Dagmar> Well, I'm certainly not creating malware
17:59 < RangerZ> would just detect when the phone has been off for 4 hours... then start up the phone, start up ingress, and then dump all their keys
17:59 <@Dagmar> The data is probably flagged private to the app's class, but I susepct I can probably get at the db it uses
17:59 < RangerZ> hell... you could make the GPS think they are all at one place... THEN dump 100s of people's keys
17:59 <@Dagmar> Not my style
17:59 <@Dagmar> If I wanna screw with them, I'll do it in proximity
18:00 < RangerZ> I wouldn't actually do it, but thinking about it, is amusing
18:00 <@Dagmar> The way a phone determins if a wifi connection is internet-capable is pretty simplistic
18:00 < RangerZ> yeah, the ingress info is private
18:00 < RangerZ> otherwise it would have a content provider
18:00 < RangerZ> with standard APIs
18:00 <@Dagmar> I'm pretty sure with a little work on the pi I could create a "distraction" device that would look for phones quietly inquiring about ssids and then become them
18:01 < RangerZ> ohh... thats wrong
18:01 < RangerZ> but ...ohh so right
18:01 <@Dagmar> No, it's _effective_
18:01 <@Dagmar> It would bring all non-whitelisted clients on devices which have wifi enabled to a halt for _just_ long enough
18:02 <@Dagmar> It would absolutely be _evil_
18:02 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIbJpPqOSGs so this Wii U first person arena shooter actually looks REALLY fun
18:02 < PigBot`> Title: Splatoon Rewind Theater - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:02 < RangerZ> hmm maybe 3rd person
18:02 < frosty> I sense ingress.
18:02 < RangerZ> yeah, is 3rd
18:03 <@Dagmar> frosty: Quite possibly
18:03 <@Dagmar> There's a couple of dirty smurfs here I'd like to spank
18:03 <@Dagmar> One is unbalancing things
18:03 < RangerZ> and not in a sexy leather way
18:04  * frosty hides
18:04 <@Dagmar> The dude is botting inveotory
18:04 <@Dagmar> ...and there may be a second one doing it as well, but I'm not sure yet
18:04 < frosty> Is it that hard to hack things?
18:04 <@Dagmar> Well, it's a matter of rare items are rare
18:04 <@Dagmar> ...unless you have a bot that hacks all day and all night.
18:05 <@Dagmar> I have no problems maintaining a full inventory of high level stuff and 700 keys besides, however, last week I watched a guy ADA 31 portals
18:05 < frosty> Still only a limited number of hacks in a certain time frame. Of course if they just leave it running even waiting thru that 8 hours between....
18:05 < frosty> 31 ADA... I'm going to be sick.
18:05 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm like, "No.  That represents a ludicrous number of hacks which would have gotten him the black hacker badge."
18:06 <@Dagmar> He does not have it or anything resembling it
18:06 <@Dagmar> ...and he somehow blows about 200 L8 bursters just about every morning
18:06 <@Dagmar> That's doable if you're a fiend about it but represents more time than I think he's actually putting in
18:07 < frosty> so we're not talking just scripting hacking stuff, we're talking actually messing with the inventory.
18:07 <@Dagmar> The only time I've ever seen someone with that many was directly related to duping
18:08 <@Dagmar> No, I think they've got some bot accounts that they're using to supply with
18:08 < frosty> aaah multiple accounts+auto hacking = insane profit.
18:09 < frosty> That is quite unfair.
18:09 -!- sdodson__ [~Scott@2606:a000:110d:c03b:5528:4d33:5352:4a12] has joined #se2600
18:09 -!- mode/#se2600 [+o sdodson__] by ChanServ
18:09 <@Dagmar> Either way, we're kind stomping them in the dirt on the west side of town because they don't understand triangles
18:09 <@Dagmar> Like, they can blow our shit off the map three times a day, but we actually just go put fields back up
18:11 < RangerZ> triangles are hard man...
18:11 < RangerZ> all those sides
18:11 < frosty> a^2+b^2="I don't want to drive that far"
18:12 -!- sdodson_ [~Scott@2606:a000:110d:c03b:5528:4d33:5352:4a12] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
18:12 <@Dagmar> So _don't_
18:12 <@Dagmar> I collect keys _all the damn time_
18:12 < frosty> Gotta get there to blow it up... Or are you GPS spoofing frog?
18:12 <@Dagmar> So, right now, I'm two keys short of having three for two specific portals very far apart with an open lane
18:12 < frosty> (only kidding!)
18:12 <@Dagmar> I don't have to spoof
18:13 <@Dagmar> My car gets 36mpg
18:13 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm in a high population area
18:13 <@Dagmar> If I drove between these two points it'd be about 20 minutes
18:13 < RangerZ> https://i.imgur.com/9yxsWml.jpg
18:13 < frosty> That's fair.
18:13 < RangerZ> JFKFC
18:13 <@Dagmar> But since I've already got most of the keys I can just run out to point 2, link to point 1, then head to a nice cluster of portals about 20 minutes north
18:14 <@Dagmar> LInk back to both portals, goto next portal, link back again, goto next portal, link back again
18:14 <@Dagmar> 30kMU
18:14 <@Dagmar> That we are stacking fields in high population areas is why we stay ahead in this cell
18:15 <@Dagmar> ...while the smurfs obsess with blowing things up and barely manage 50% coverage in the areas they "control"
18:15 <@Dagmar> ...but I'm totally into the idea of automatching inventory with other players
18:16 <@Dagmar> It would be a _crushing_ advantage during the next anomaly
18:16 < frosty> Yeah, none of us bother with stacking things around here. Heck most of the links are out in left field. a^2+b^8 even.
18:16 <@Dagmar> I hate acute triangles
18:17 < dfused> you prefer ugly ones?
18:17 < dfused> derp derp
18:17 <@Dagmar> There's three major avenues in and out of the core of Nashville, and we've got two or more guys going down each of them every day
18:18 <@Dagmar> So if you know what keys someone has on a route that parallels yours, you can slap down nearly right triangles all the way down it
18:19 < frosty> I made a portal out that way a while back...
18:20 < frosty> Geeze I see what you mean with all that stacking Dagmar.
18:20 <@Dagmar> I'm sure they ignore mine
18:20 <@Dagmar> frosty: yeah most of the smurfs live out in banjo country so to get those MU counts they have to make fields you can see from space and drive for hours
18:21 <@Dagmar> Keys == ownership
18:21 <@Dagmar> WE do coordinate a little bit and I'd like to turn that up a notch or three
18:23 < frosty> There it is. The portal is at the Optimara African Violet Production Facility. Pretty cool place if you ever want a tour.
18:25 <@Dagmar> I didn't even know it existed.  THey don't seem too interested in giving an address
18:26 <@Dagmar> Ah... North Nashville
18:27 <@Dagmar> https://www.ingress.com/intel?ll=36.198644,-86.760232&z=17&pll=36.198666,-86.760698
18:27 < PigBot`> Title: Ingress Intel Map (at www.ingress.com)
18:28 <@Dagmar> We have to get those two players trained in the fine art of getting out of the car
18:28 <@Dagmar> hehe
18:29 < frosty> Ew, I didn't realize I made the portal that far in there. Wow.
18:29 < frosty> Time for a tour!
18:30 < frosty> Love my little lonely portal surrounded by green!
18:31 < frosty> I'm out. Have fun!
18:37 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQ3OAQSzOXw pornhub insights
18:37 < PigBot`> Title: Why Straight Women LOVE Lesbian Porn - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:37 < RangerZ> lol
18:46 < RangerZ> "why are you going to pornhub on a university network, in your private office?" ...."for science"
18:47 < RangerZ> wait a minute....
18:47 < RangerZ> THAT is why NotLarry has two offices
18:48 < aestetix> ugh
18:48 < aestetix> I hate rockstars
18:48 < aestetix> Like the 19 year old who starts working as a rockstar programmer and then starts trying to override all kinds of things that were in place
18:48 < aestetix> "this is stupid, why aren't we doing this?" or "we really need to get this bit done fast"
18:58 -!- klixa [uid861@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ntxzeabapzzjekub] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity]
19:05 < RangerZ> aestetix: well wtf do you want
19:05 < RangerZ> they put "rockstar" in the fucking job ad
19:09 < RangerZ> that and fucking "full stack"-devs
19:10 < aestetix> RangerZ: full stack meaning javascript AND ruby?
19:10 < RangerZ> I _promise_ you... ther are NO SUCH THING... anyone who tries to focus on all technologies ... does not fully grasp them all
19:10 < RangerZ> LAMP is my understanding of 'full stack'
19:11 < RangerZ> when they want 'a guy' to setup and run their entire website/servers/etc
19:11 < RangerZ> (a girl would work too)
19:14 < RangerZ> YES YES YES
19:14 < RangerZ> SARAH PALIN is running for president
19:14  * RangerZ thanks all the Gods
19:15 < RangerZ> the clown car is getting full and fast
19:23 < aestetix> RangerZ: where did you hear
19:24 < RangerZ> just on msnbc now, but it was half-hearted, not an 'official' announcement just that she's "interested"
19:24 < RangerZ> lol
19:24 < RangerZ> but I am giving her all the emotional support she needs
19:24 < RangerZ> lol
19:26 < aestetix> doesn't Hillary need to announce soon?
19:28 < RangerZ> no
19:28 < RangerZ> i hope she fucks it up, and doesn't get the nomination, that way another female could win
19:29 < RangerZ> elizabeth warren in particular
19:29 < RangerZ> or hell biden...
19:29 < aestetix> I want bill clinton to run again
19:29 < RangerZ> why?
19:29 < RangerZ> you want more NAFTAs?
19:30 < RangerZ> TTP
19:30 < RangerZ> etc
19:30 < aestetix> because he's awesome
19:30 < RangerZ> not really
19:30 < RangerZ> he's a really interesting person
19:30 < dfused> it wouldnt be the same. he wouldnt have the same economical advasor that he had lsat time...
19:30 < dfused> s/advisor/advasor
19:31 < dfused> kant tipe tunite
19:32 < RangerZ> also, his term is what turned the 'current' republican party into what it is
19:32 < RangerZ> 1994 the GOP took over the house for the first time since ww2 or something
19:33 < RangerZ> and then the tea party (which is just the same republican "christian conservative base as aways) is a reaction to Obama
19:33 < RangerZ> god... could you imagine what they would do under _another_ democrat?
19:34 < dfused> meh...we're fucked either way
19:34 < RangerZ> the 'house' is
19:34 < dfused> there is no correcting this ship's course
19:34 < RangerZ> but the senate will be Democratic after the next election
19:35 < RangerZ> and the democrats _will_ win the president
19:35 < RangerZ> GOP's hate of hispanics... solidifies that
19:38 < dfused> again.... religion is to blame  =D
19:38 < RangerZ> our country's biggest issue is that democrats don't grow a fucking backbone
19:38 < RangerZ> democratic policies are -better- policy, but they do shit jobs selling it
19:39 < dfused> tru that... obama's lack of balls has really been pissing me off. ... I mean, look at what boner just pulled and obama wont do jack shit about it. ... it's damn near sedition.
19:39 < RangerZ> and there are 'wedge' issues, such as guns/gays/abortion that certain people vote republican over
19:43 < RangerZ> GOP is great at marketing, but I still haven't been able to get someone to explain to me WHY a business owner would EVER... hire a new employee... until they have more customers than they can fulfill
19:43 < RangerZ> thats the logical falacy of 'trickle down economics'
19:45 < dfused> well...there is the idea of freeing up your time to go out and drive more business. the idea of knowing that there 'will' be more customers but you have to go get them...and cant so long as you keep yourself pinned down with the current ones
19:45 < RangerZ> actually... Sharrod Brown would be a great president/nominee too
19:45 < RangerZ> dfused: that only counts for the 1st employee
19:45 < RangerZ> etc
19:46 < RangerZ> not the 15th
19:46 < RangerZ> you aren't supervising the 16th employee personally
19:46 < dfused> after that its just a pyramid lol
19:46 < RangerZ> pretty much
19:47 < RangerZ> and then you hire the secretary and give her the title "vice president of operations"
19:47 < RangerZ> and the fact that her son looks -an awefully lot- like you... means nothing
19:48 < RangerZ> I mean... I'm not 'saying anything' about my former job
19:49 < RangerZ> nope... none... b/c that could be libel
19:49 < dfused> hehe....bitter?
19:49 < RangerZ> nah, I got out with style
19:49 < RangerZ> purposely burned that bridge, so that I wouldn't slack off with my degree
19:50 < RangerZ> wrote a nice formal letter to the owner, about how what he's asking for isn't possible with the amount of time I have to work on it, and that he should just take my salary and buy a custom CMS for 25k
19:50 < RangerZ> put it into the accountant's office, then went to lunch...forever
19:51 < dfused> lol
19:51 < RangerZ> I went to work as a lab asst. for the dept. and made min. wage... which was 15k/yr on avg...
19:53 < RangerZ> and that got my trip out to UC Berkeley and then that led to my internship here, and my admission here
19:53 < RangerZ> so...
19:53 < RangerZ> I made a good choice, lol (and got super lucky, lol)
19:53 < dfused> aye
19:54 < dfused> I just switched copmanies and got a good raise....which has stifled my push to keep working on my degree. =\
19:54 <@Dagmar> What matters is whether or not you have the power to destroy all those who oppose you.;
19:54 < dfused> lmao
19:54 <@Dagmar> @!#$@#$ semicolon
19:54 < PigBot`> Dagmar: Error: "!#$@#$" is not a valid command.
19:56 < RangerZ> hehe
19:56 < RangerZ> Dagmar: let me guess... been programming lately?
19:57 < RangerZ> I wrote a paper once in Writing 2, where I did that, I put each sentence on a new line, and had a few ';' in there at the end of lines
19:57 <@Dagmar> JUST A LITTLE
19:57 < RangerZ> prof was like...wtf..
19:58 <@Dagmar> I have dicked with AS enough to now be certain what they need to fix is it's dimwitted attempts at concurrency
19:59 < RangerZ> ohh no... that has nothing to do with AS
19:59 < RangerZ> thats just android
19:59 <@Dagmar> "You clicked 'run' twice in a row by accident?  Well, have a brutally mangled set of object files and a small stack of fatal errors, bub!"
19:59 < RangerZ> and the ways they do things are _great_ ... just NOT like other paradigms
20:00 <@Dagmar> If you run make twice in a row from the same directory even it just figures it out
20:01 <@Dagmar> Touch a gradle file?  "I HAVE ALTERED YOUR BUILD ENVIRONMENT.  PRAY I DO NOT ALTER IT FURTHER."
20:01 <@Dagmar> Seriously tho, I need to know if this is possible before I try it because I've had enough of trying to basically fix a running engine with one hand in the dark...
20:02 <@Dagmar> If I create a class file external to the main class, I'll be able to call it and store shit in it from a static method?
20:02 <@Dagmar> I *do* it, but I'm not a fan of "printk exploration"
20:02 <@Dagmar> ...which is what i've been doing with Log.d rather a lot
20:03 <@Dagmar> LOL understatement "Putting data in AppWidgetProvider doesn.t work, since it can be destroyed and recreated by Android at any time. "
20:04 <@Dagmar> Should read: "Putting data in AppWidgetProvider last as long as snow in Death Valley."
20:31 -!- InfoSecDog [~user@c-50-155-6-109.hsd1.ga.comcast.net] has joined #se2600
20:36 < RangerZ> Dagmar: 'yes' you can ' class file external to the main class, I'll be able to call it and store shit in it from a static method'
20:36 < RangerZ> but that might not actually do what you want... but we'll see
20:52 < _NSAKEY> 19:55:22  <@Dagmar> What matters is whether or not you have the power to destroy all those who oppose you.;
20:53 < _NSAKEY> Very true. Even if you don't have that power, you can pit them against each other and let them destroy each other. That's almost more fun.
21:22 -!- RangerZ1 [~rangerz@69.137.107.2] has joined #se2600
21:22 < RangerZ> HAHAHA... got an email today from ATLUS USA [These Balls Aren't Deflatable -- and now up to 60% Off!]
21:23 < RangerZ> its a pinball game sale
21:23 -!- RangerZ1 [~rangerz@69.137.107.2] has quit [Client Quit]
21:32 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGXpUVMsZuc
21:32 < PigBot`> Title: Social Justice Warriors: Why They Made The Game - PAX South 2015 - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
21:32 < RangerZ> IGN trolling hard...
21:32 < RangerZ> the 'game' is called "Social Justice Warriors"
21:33 < aestetix> there's a game called SJW?
21:33 < RangerZ> there is NOW
21:33 < aestetix> haha
21:36 <@Evilpig> that game looks incredibly lame
21:37 < RangerZ> yep
21:38 < RangerZ> but its the fact that it got to PAX
21:38 < RangerZ> and that IGN covered it
21:39 <@Evilpig> surely them being at pax was just a matter of being a vendor like anyone else
21:40 < RangerZ> but one of the seminal works of the the whole of gaming is Depression Quest, a text based game
21:40 < RangerZ> hehehehe
21:41 < aestetix> http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=257887508
21:41 < PigBot`> Title: Steam Greenlight :: Social Justice Warriors (at steamcommunity.com)
21:41 < RangerZ> yeah
21:42 < RangerZ> http://www.desura.com/games/social-justice-warriors drm free version 2.99
21:42 < PigBot`> Title: Social Justice Warriors Windows, Mac, Linux game | Desura (at www.desura.com)
21:55 < RangerZ> so http://www.wsj.com/articles/in-flight-catalog-skymall-files-for-bankruptcy-1422025308
21:55 < PigBot`> Title: SkyMall Files for Bankruptcy - WSJ (at www.wsj.com)
21:56 < RangerZ> awww... what will you giggle at during the flight... other than the robbery of your wallet... lol
22:06 < dfused> laugh at the ppl in coach...mwaahahah
22:07 < RangerZ> fuck you
22:08 < RangerZ> i mean.... no... I do mean fuck you ;)
22:08 < dfused> hehe
22:28 < RangerZ> so did anyone else get the reply from the officers even 'acknowledging' the request for documentation? ... Because its possible that google lost -my- email
22:29 < RangerZ> thats a 'thing' that happens with email still ... apparently
22:39 <@Evilpig> nope
22:40 <@Bahhumbug> I saw nothing.
22:40 < RangerZ> yeah, I figured
22:40 <@Bahhumbug> But I am not in that idiotic FB group so if they responded there I would not see it anyway.
22:40 < RangerZ> just wanted to be crabby
22:40 <@Bahhumbug> Or google+ or whatever it is.
22:40 <@Bahhumbug> googlegroups.
22:40 <@Bahhumbug> I was close.
22:40 <@Bahhumbug> Kinda.
22:41 <@Bahhumbug> I wouldn't hold my breath on a reply, if I were you :)
22:42 < RangerZ> can i hold someone else's breath? hehe
22:42 <@Bahhumbug> You can hold aestetix's.
22:42 <@Evilpig> I was thinking you actually got some type of acknowledgement that they even saw it and you were asking if it went out to other folks.  i'm in on the duh huh now
22:45 < RangerZ> yeah, no
23:10 < RangerZ> jeeeez...us... StarCitizen 70million USD$ in backing
--- Log closed Sat Jan 24 00:00:14 2015