--- Log opened Wed Jan 21 00:00:11 2015
00:16 < RangerZ> Synx|hm: hows your hat wearing freedom
00:17 < RangerZ> b/c honestly thats the first reason I've had any curiosity as to how any NFL team has won/lost in the past few years...
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00:37 < aestetix> ok jesus
00:37 < aestetix> is there ANY way to install ios7 on a system with ios8?
00:37 < aestetix> jailbroken or no?
00:38 < RangerZ> http://www.redmondpie.com/how-to-downgrade-ios-8-to-ios-7.1.2/
00:38 < PigBot`> Title: How To Downgrade iOS 8 To iOS 7.1.2 | Redmond Pie (at www.redmondpie.com)
00:38 < RangerZ> www.lmgtfy.com
00:38 < aestetix> all the links say no
00:39 < aestetix> from that link
00:39 < aestetix> "Update x1: Apple has now stopped signing iOS 7.1.2. You can no longer downgrade your device to this firmware."
00:39 < RangerZ> ahh
00:39 < RangerZ> well then, "fuck you" from apple
00:39 < RangerZ> lol
00:39 < aestetix> yep
00:40 < RangerZ> "http://lifehacker.com/downgrade-from-ios-8-to-ios-7-1-2-while-you-still-can-1637650142"
00:40 < RangerZ> "Update: As of September 27th, Apple has stopped signing iOS 7.1.2, so this proces no longer works, as expected."
00:40 < RangerZ> that sucks
00:40 < RangerZ> people say "Android isn't open source" , but there are ROMs out there....
00:41 < RangerZ> the problem with Android's phones is that the manf. are assholes with bootloaders
00:41 < RangerZ> but -not- the OS itself
00:41 < aestetix> I am really unhappy
00:41 <@Dagmar> I certain;y seem to be able to download it
00:43 < RangerZ> http://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/iosapps/how-downgrade-from-ios-8-ios-7-reinstall-ios-8-3522302/?p=2
00:43 < PigBot`> Title: How to delete iOS 8 from your iPhone or iPad and reinstall iOS 7 - How to - Page 2 - Macworld UK (at www.macworld.co.uk)
00:44 < RangerZ> this came out -after- the day Apple stopped signing iOS
00:44 < aestetix> Downloading it is not the issue.
00:44 < aestetix> It's getting it to work.
00:48 < RangerZ> welcome to why I never bought an iOS device
00:50 < RangerZ> but that link I posted has a 'hard way' which requires a jailbreak tool, etc
00:50 < RangerZ> which is what I'm guessing you'd have to use
00:50 < aestetix> the worst part is all the assholes saying "just buy a better system"
00:50 < aestetix> I'm like how about having softare that doesn't force me to spend $300+ every year
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00:59 < aestetix> RangerZ: I haven't been this pissed off in a while. I didn't realize just how awful Apple isl.
00:59 < RangerZ> its not just apple
00:59 < aestetix> Windows isn't even this bad.
01:00 < aestetix> oh?
01:00 < RangerZ> they just make it so -obvious- that they are being dicks
01:00 < aestetix> It just works [unless you step outside the party line]
01:00 < RangerZ> all the manf. basically HATE the idea of you installing your own software
01:01 < RangerZ> so they try to lock down the -bootloader- since android itself is like 'whatever man'
01:03 <@Dagmar> They're convinced they've got warranty claims where people have violated the warranty by overclocking the CPU
01:04 <@Dagmar> ...which frankly, is probably the case with some phones.
01:04 <@Dagmar> Also, malware has a difficult time getting a footing if it can't gain root privs
01:04 <@Dagmar> ...but there *is* some lag there, because SElinux does a pretty good job of keeping that in check
01:05 <@Dagmar> HOWEVER< there's plenty of idiots who brick their phones and send them back saying "It just broke.  Is this still under warranty?"
01:05 <@Dagmar> I know two people who've done that in the last 12 months.
01:05 <@Dagmar> Both... mentally challenged, IMHO
01:06 < RangerZ> if they didn't make you have to go through BS to install software, etc... then it wouldn't be as big a problem
01:06 < aestetix> how do you brick your phone
01:06 < aestetix> I mean back up your system and restore it if its broken
01:06 < RangerZ> easy, your system isn't designed FOR you to be able to update
01:06 < RangerZ> and you accidently do something wrong
01:07 < RangerZ> or you install an OS that lets you run your CPU overclocked
01:07 < RangerZ> and you burn out the chip(s)
01:08 < aestetix> yep
01:08 < aestetix> I'm having issues with my ipad
01:08 < aestetix> and one of the reasons I want to do this is to troubleshoot
01:08 < aestetix> well plus I hate ios8
01:10 < aestetix> RangerZ: Dagmar I don't think this is for malware protection
01:10 < aestetix> I'm pretty sure they deliberately make iOS8 require faster hardware to force you to buy a new ipad
01:11 < RangerZ> not really, its just how OSs develop over time
01:11 < RangerZ> they require more ram
01:12 < aestetix> sure, which is why it makes sense to be able to use older software on older hardware
01:12 < RangerZ> "sense"
01:12 < RangerZ> hahahaha
01:13 < aestetix> you're right
01:13 < aestetix> apple makes $en$e
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01:20 <@Dagmar> There was a lecture online about this.
01:21 <@Dagmar> ...by one og the guys who basically invented programming.
01:21 < aestetix> about apple?
01:21 <@Dagmar> No, about the progressive inefficiency of software over time
01:21 < aestetix> ahh
01:22 < aestetix> You mean like how my system has 16 gigs of ram and keeps running out of memory?
01:22 < aestetix> which is absolutely absurd
01:22 <@Dagmar> Yes, because now the software we run goes through about fifteen different levels of abstractions before doing anything
01:23 <@Dagmar> Piling confusion on top of madness on top of hubirs
01:23 <@Dagmar> er hubris
01:24 <@Dagmar> Richard Feynman I think it was
01:25 <@Dagmar> ...or someone very much on his level
01:25 < RangerZ> aestetix: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zfkWwGH3No you had been discussing this
01:25 < PigBot`> Title: The Guaranteed Basic Income & the Libertarian Dilemma (w/ Karl Widerquist) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:26 <@Dagmar> It's *somewhere* in my G+ feed
01:26 <@Dagmar> The guy made me feel proud to be making an effort to be concious of what I'm actually asking a computer to do
01:28 <@Dagmar> Damn now I want to watch it again
01:29 <@Dagmar> Ah!  Erlang
01:29 <@Dagmar> That was it
01:30 < aestetix> Joe Armstrong?
01:30 <@Dagmar> It was Joe Armstrong I think
01:30 <@Dagmar> Mr. Armstrong says a few things in the first few minutes that make it clear he understands computers in a deep and arcanely profound way
01:31 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKXe3HUG2l4 ?
01:31 < PigBot`> Title: "The Mess Were In" by Joe Armstrong - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:31 <@Dagmar> Yes.  That's it
01:32 <@Dagmar> I just found it myself
01:32 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: What are you doing that maxes out 16 GB of RAM regularly?
01:34 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euC7iHJ8rHw HAHAHA
01:34 < PigBot`> Title: Teen Caught Posing As A Doctor For A Full Month - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
01:34 < RangerZ> and yes... FL... of course
01:34 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: Chromium.
01:35 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Stop trolling.
01:35 < aestetix> ?
01:35 < RangerZ> he just had 300 tabs open
01:35 < _NSAKEY> Do you have dozens of tabs open at all times or something?
01:35 < aestetix> heh...
01:35 < _NSAKEY> s/dozens/hundreds/
01:36 <@Dagmar> People just don't understand caching
01:36 < _NSAKEY> I've got 16 GB of RAM, too.
01:36 < _NSAKEY> 2 instances of chromium (incognito and regular) with a bunch of tabs open, plus firefox.
01:37 < _NSAKEY> Throw in a few virtual machines...
01:37 < _NSAKEY> ... and I'm still not in dire need of more RAM.
01:37 < aestetix> What OS?
01:37 <@Dagmar> I have 16Gb so I don't have to give one f**k
01:37 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Linux.
01:38 < _NSAKEY> Oh, and I'm running bitcoin-qt, so there's 1GB of RAM taken up right there.
01:38 < RangerZ> so I just was reminded of something, that will put a shit-eating grin/smirk on everyone else's face too... Aaron Barr and HBGary Federal, lol...
01:47 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: What about them?
01:47 < RangerZ> just the entire drama with anon, etc
01:48 < RangerZ> saddest part is that both Barr and HBG F. made out in the end
01:48 < RangerZ> but it was amusing to watch as it unfolded
02:00 < RangerZ> http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/01/republican-five-sotu-responses.html
02:00 < PigBot`> Title: Instead of 1 Awkward SOTU Response, GOP Offers 5 -- NYMag (at nymag.com)
02:00 < aestetix> man
02:00 < aestetix> life in the US fucking sucks
02:01 < aestetix> or at least in the bay
02:01 < aestetix> Outside the bay, do companies value loyalty?
02:02 < RangerZ> depends
02:02 < RangerZ> do they have a union?
02:02 < RangerZ> lol
02:02 < aestetix> haha
02:04 < RangerZ> but thats why I'm doing ~11 years of univ.... so that I can get a job with stability
02:04 < aestetix> around here you basically hop jobs every 2 years
02:04 < aestetix> if that
02:04 < RangerZ> yeah, fuck that nonsense
02:04 < RangerZ> I worked at gamestop 2x that
02:04 < RangerZ> _gamestop_
02:06 < RangerZ> my grandfather had a 40+ year relationship with one employer, which he worked with on and off
02:07 < aestetix> I would love that.
02:07 < aestetix> But that doesn't exist anymore.
02:10 < RangerZ> I dunno, I think if you made a company that put a 45hr work CAP on employees a week, with 2 week _minimum_ vacation, you could easily pay less than what that "costs" you, and probably pay a good 10~20% less than other companies
02:11 < RangerZ> because I'm sure there would be _good_ employees that would want that job, etc
02:13 < RangerZ> but... I don't know if/how that would work in the bay
02:14 < RangerZ> but you could probably 'pull' bay-ers away from the bay easily enough with offers like that, hell... i KNOW that works
02:14 < RangerZ> we have several sillyValley companies that have moved to downtown youngstown
02:15 < RangerZ> b/c they can pay 70k/yr and people come out ahead compared to 120~140k in SF
02:17 < RangerZ> a NICE house mortgage costing ~1000$/mo vs ...rent in SF... HAHAHA
02:18 < aestetix> 70k a year would put me in poverty
02:21 < RangerZ> avg house cost in my hometown $88,300 ....
02:21 < RangerZ> and they aren't bad homes
02:23 < RangerZ> median, not avg.... but still, normal township with ~50k people, with houses, apartments, townhouses, etc
02:23 < aestetix> At this point I think the US is just fucked.
02:23 < RangerZ> aestetix: not really , just the bay
02:23 < RangerZ> if you moved 30min in any direction, you'd better off
02:23 < RangerZ> lol
02:24 < RangerZ> ok... maybe a bit more time b/c of cali traffic
02:24 < RangerZ> but you get my point, lol
02:25 < RangerZ> because honestly, the shit you describe is fucking foriegn to most people
02:25 < aestetix> really? employers fucking over employees? insane turnover?
02:26 < RangerZ> ohh no, thats common
02:26 < RangerZ> BUT...
02:26 < RangerZ> the pressure
02:26 < aestetix> the pressure?
02:26 < RangerZ> hold on, brb
02:27 < aestetix> haha are you going to wank off
02:27 < RangerZ> no, i was trying to NOT pay attention to the GOP response to the SOTU, but she was so annoying I couldn't pay attention , lol...
02:28 < RangerZ> turned that shit off
02:28 < RangerZ> but, what I meant was 'yes, the core ideas of companies fucking people over, etc exists, but there isn't as much OMG WTF BBQ pressure on people all the time'
02:30 < RangerZ> aestetix: You'll probably be shocked to know that I make less than 30k/yr
02:30 < RangerZ> and can live on my own, have a 2bd/1.5bath apt, a car payment, etc.
02:30 < RangerZ> I'm not really 'saving' much each month, but its possible
02:31 < aestetix> I make more than twice that, and I have to worry about my bank account redlining each month.
02:31 < aestetix> And I do *not* have a lavish lifestyle.
02:32 < RangerZ> mine is close, but since I started having bills auto withdrawn, etc... I have caught up
02:33 < RangerZ> my biggest problem was paying 'on time' because I would just forget to pay them, so 5$ fee here, etc, adding up
02:33 < aestetix> My fucking water bill alone is over $100 every two months
02:34 < RangerZ> but i caught up, and haven't had any issues really
02:34 < RangerZ> water is 20$/mo
02:34 < RangerZ> part of rent
02:34 < RangerZ> electric is 50$/mo except when using AC, then it goes up to ~110$/mo or so
02:35 < RangerZ> but thats 'on average' including 90 degree temps or more outside
02:38 < RangerZ> but my point is, I could make ~ this much, working at gamestop
02:38 < RangerZ> or retail
02:38 < RangerZ> hell vandy starting wage is 50k or something
02:38 < RangerZ> of the lowest wage jobs
02:39 < RangerZ> and 80k~90k for researchers
02:39 < RangerZ> and I'd keep my lifestyle similar to what it is now, and just have a net increase of ~50k extra a year
02:39 < RangerZ> even if I double my lifestyle, thats 20k extra/yr
02:58 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVNC6dAeeyA&t=9s
02:58 < PigBot`> Title: "I have no more campaigns to run…I know, because I won both of them." (C-SPAN) - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:58 < RangerZ> The Obama -Mic Drop- moment
02:58 < RangerZ> hehe
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07:46 <@Dagmar> dafuq
07:47 <@Dagmar> My mom is due to have surgery today at 1pm... in this part of town http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/news/Donelson-Water-Main-Break-Affects-Customers-Hospital-289272121.html
07:47 < PigBot`> Title: Water Main Break Affects Customers In Southwest Davidson Co. - NewsChannel5.com (at www.jrn.com)
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09:26 < Synx|hm_> damn it linkedin, thanks for telling my entire professional network and almost every single person that works at my company that ive registered for a career fair and am looking for a new job
09:43 <@Evilpig> lol
09:43 < Synx|hm_> meh f it, time they know if they dont start valuing their employees people are going to leave
09:46 < dfused> well...lnkedin is for social networking.
09:49 < Synx|hm_> true its a grey line i guess, dont post too much detail to people that need not know, not that im advocating bailing ship without any warning, ive already spoken to my mgmt about my position
09:58 <@Mirage> Evilpig: Weird Al will be in Nashville on a Sat, so you should fly down for the show.  Might be the same or cheaper than that one in NYC
10:02 < Synx|hm_> Mirage: this saturday!? hrm
10:03 <@Mirage> no, not THIS Sat..A Sat
10:03 < Synx|hm_> oh lol
10:20 <@Evilpig> uh oh.  we have a company wide announcement at 12:30
10:21 <@Evilpig> notice going out two hours before... that can't be good
10:21 < dfused> you're all fired!
10:21 <@Mirage> Just the gingers//
10:21 <@Evilpig> damnit!  that can't happent today.  i've already planned how I want that to go down and it ends with the phrase "will you hand me my pants, please"
10:21 < dfused> hah
10:22 < Synx|hm_>  haha, im in a company all call myself at the moment
10:22 < Synx|hm_> so far i still have a job
10:22 < Synx|hm_> im waiting for the part where they show my linkedin updates
10:22 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm_: does that happen at many meetings?
10:23 < Synx|hm_> Evilpig: the firings or the linkedin updates?
10:23 < Synx|hm_> its a small company (300 people) no they dont show linkedin updates im just being silly
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10:23 <@Evilpig> the linked in updates
10:23 <@Evilpig> I mean if they're gonna go over yours they can at least go over my twitter updates too
10:24 < Synx|hm_> and the firings they happen a few weeks prior to these meetings and keep it hush hush then at the meeting the ceo says a few words along the lines of "so we lost some people, moving on"
10:24 <@Evilpig> we had one of those emails this morning that ended with "These decision are never made easily or quickly, and this is no exception.  If you have any questions about how we are moving forward from here with his responsibilities, please let me know.  I will be in touch personally with those directly affected by this change. "
10:25 < dfused> wow....how cookie cutter
10:25 <@Evilpig> it had another line naming the person but I left that out
10:25 <@Evilpig> it did come from an HR drone
10:25 < dfused> I have emails that are almost word for word from that
10:25 <@Mirage> Damnit, ya'll invoked the name of the beast...so it sent me an "Updated Endorsements" notification.   Stop it!.
10:25 < dfused> lol
10:26 <@Evilpig> Mirage: I can invoke the name of another beast.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czb_CZfWko8
10:26 < PigBot`> Title: I Prevail - Blank Space (Taylor Swift) - Punk Goes Pop Style Cover - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
10:26 < dfused> I love those.... it gives me a chance to phsychologically torment those I know will feel guilty for not returning endorsements.... damn drones
10:28 <@Mirage> http://metro.co.uk/2015/01/16/nsfw-calling-all-foot-fetishists-the-vajankle-is-the-sex-toy-for-you-5025206/
10:28 <@Mirage> note it says "NSFW" in the url
10:29 <@Evilpig> in very tiny letters
10:29 <@Evilpig> so it's only a little nsfw
10:29 <@Dickie> Ooo... vajankle
10:30  * Dickie writes that down
10:30 <@Mirage> lol...this is great: http://metro.co.uk/2015/01/20/a-photographer-has-created-serial-killer-barbie-and-shes-one-scary-doll-5029481/
10:30  * Mirage isn't suprised Dickie took note of that.
10:30 <@Evilpig> Mirage: i'm passing that around work immediately!
10:31 <@Mirage> Evilpig: which?  vajankle or barbie?
10:35 <@Evilpig> vajankle
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10:36 <@Evilpig> I should have looked closer.  How much are those and where can you buy them?  are they cheap enough for gag gifts?
10:36 <@Evilpig> i'd love to send that to some unsuspecting people like my brother
10:37 <@Evilpig> ouch.  nope.  I've spent that kinda dough on jokes before aka 2d rattle but $179.00 USD is a hard pill to swallow
10:38 <@Dickie> the lulz command it
10:40 <@Mirage> Evilpig: https://thescene.com/watch/buzzfeed/how-to-properly-pet-animals
10:41 <@Mirage> So has Corydon officially shunned the channel forever?
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10:49 <@oddball> I think so, yes.
10:50 <@oddball> He's told me that he got tired of dealing with Bahhumbug
10:54 < Synx|hm_> oh tay, my blood pressure is so high from this company meeting, i can hardly type from shaking with anger happy day
10:54 < Synx|hm_> going to step away from the desk for a few
10:56 <@oddball> oof
11:00 <@Mirage> oddball: I would have thought that he'd finally gotten tired of dealing with aestetix
11:02 <@oddball> I think that's also part of it.... but, frankly, I remember Corydon being on that level in here for years.
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11:42 < Synx|hm_> so at the end of the company all call someone asked the ceo why the new PTO policy (no more tracked time off, just get your time off approved and take what you feel is needed, no max time, no accounting of it, no cary over limits)... CEO tab danced around it for about 10min saying how forward thinking we are and its the right thing to do etc... then new HR VP gets up and forgets they are talking to the en
11:42 < Synx|hm_> tire company and not just the board of directors and says, we got rid of the old policy so we would not have to pay people accrued time off when they are fired or seperate
11:42 < Synx|hm_> holy smokes did that incite rage in the crowd
11:44 <@opticron> yep...reduction of fiscal liability
11:45 < Synx|hm_> i get it but holy crap to just out it like that, i guess its a wake up call no matter what they say they are not looking out for you as the employee's best interests, nor should they be, they have investors to look out for
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11:52 < sasquatc4> it also puts more pressure on employees not to take time off
11:52 < sasquatc4> now you dont have a fixed amount of time that == money
11:53 < sasquatc4> so if your taking time off it can be looked down upon as frivolous, so if you have a bunch of workaholics around you there will be pressure not to do it
11:53 < Synx|hm_> yup... "look synx you took off 3 weeks last year..." me, "but you dont have a policy you said thats ok and i work hard" mgr: "i know but can you see how it looks, sasquatc4 only took of 1 week last year and thats because of a family emergency, we are going to have to let you go synx"
11:55 <@Evilpig> in a meeting and someone says "it's only $5,000 that's the cheap part"
12:25 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING
12:26 <@shapr> turns out there's a new French startup that claims to be a cross between tinder and linkedin
12:26 <@shapr> and it's shapr.net
12:26 <@shapr> and everyone thinks it has the twitter username of @shapr
12:26 <@shapr> but that's me!
12:26 <@shapr> sooo much twitter spam
12:26 <@shapr> also, who thought a one night business stand was a good idea?
12:28 < Synx|hm_> shapr: start posting as them
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12:28 < Synx|hm_> then sell advertising space on your twitter
12:28 < Synx|hm_> win win
12:30 <@shapr> haha
12:30 <@shapr> good idea :-P
12:49 < aestetix> http://blog.ameliagreenhall.com/post/what-it-was-like-to-co-found-model-view-culture-with-shanley-kane
12:49 < PigBot`> Title: Amelia Greenhall on scriptogr.am (at blog.ameliagreenhall.com)
12:50 <@shapr> aestetix: I thought you were tired of hearing about shanley?
12:50 < aestetix> But I love watching fireworks.
13:07 < aestetix> http://www.adweek.com/adfreak/hilarious-ad-imagines-how-awesome-facebook-would-have-been-1995-162433
13:20 < aestetix> http://news.microsoft.com/windows10story/ I am watching things
13:20 < PigBot`> Title: Windows 10: The Next Chapter (at news.microsoft.com)
13:20 < aestetix> this
13:20 < aestetix> it's gross
13:21 < aestetix> windows has gone all instagram
13:49 < RangerZ> the page?
13:49 < RangerZ> or the OS itself?
13:49 < RangerZ> << hasn't watched the video yet
13:50 < aestetix> the OS
13:50 < aestetix> the whole bit I watched was talking abotu sharing screenshots of things with your friends
13:50 < aestetix> apparently windows 10 has a built in activity feed
13:51 < RangerZ> as long as you can turn that shit off
13:51 < RangerZ> lol
14:07 <@Evilpig> https://s3.amazonaws.com/ksr/assets/003/168/677/186b414fb9551c7c6717aee4e1d20c44_large.png?1421865853
14:07 <@Evilpig> that exploding kittens game has generated 2 million in just over 24 hours
14:09 < sasquatc4> whaaaaa
14:09 < sasquatc4> win10
14:09 < sasquatc4> holographic shit
14:09 < sasquatc4> that is bonkers
14:10 < sasquatc4> screw all the apps and what not, that right there, is awesome
14:13 < aestetix> http://cruelestoptouts.tumblr.com/
14:13 < PigBot`> Title: The Cruelest Opt-Out Forms (at cruelestoptouts.tumblr.com)
14:13 < Synx|hm_> sasquatc4: damn it what did i just miss?
14:16 < sasquatc4> yea, like the coolest shit ever
14:16 < sasquatc4> i had been thinkin about an occulus when they are released but maybe not now
14:17 < sasquatc4> http://live.arstechnica.com/windows-10-consumer-preview-release-event-the-next-chapter/
14:17 < sasquatc4> theres the ars liveblog
14:17 < sasquatc4> start at around 11:39
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14:48 < RangerZ> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2475487,00.asp
14:48 < PigBot`> Title: GamerGate Targets Launch Online Abuse Support Network | News & Opinion | PCMag.com (at www.pcmag.com)
14:48 <@shapr> SHAZAM
14:48 < RangerZ> they called their Anti-Harassment Task Force ... Crash Override
14:49 < RangerZ> Why not just call it ... Zero Cool ?
14:49 < RangerZ> or ... Emmanuel Goldstein
14:50 < RangerZ> or more likely .... Acid Burn ... hehe
15:01 < aestetix> Dr. Doom
15:01 <@shapr> SJW FTW
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16:09 < sasquatc4> hah oh naive employees, had some training on the new performance appraisal process
16:10 < sasquatc4> some dude who was like 50 was all surprised that 'rankings' had already been done a month ago and that PA's have no effect, while all the younger employees were surprised someone didnt know that by now
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16:38 <@Mirage> sasquatc4: yeah, the holographic stuff looks cool...if it's real
16:38 <@Mirage> I doubt Microsoft will do it..they'll wait until someone else beats them to it, then buy that company and rebrand the product
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17:26 <@Mirage> Damn, I didn't watch long enough...supposedly they _have_ done it.
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17:47 < sasquatc4> yea
17:47 < sasquatc4> they had actual physical demos and various tech places got previews back in october
17:48 < sasquatc4> im just hoping it also gives you some sort of interface to your actual pc instead of just being some sort of standalone thing, if it does all the holo stuff plus gives me like a virtual dual/triple monitor setup of games/video running on my pc Im sold
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19:52 < aestetix> So one of the primary jobs of a manager is to handle stress, right?
19:54 <@Evilpig> no.  they create it
19:54 < dfused> delegate
19:56 < aestetix> haha
19:56 < aestetix> Evilpig: by projecting it?
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21:14 <@RangerZ> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2015/01/silk-road-trial-fbi-reveals-whats-on-ross-ulbrichts-computer-in-open-court/
21:14 < PigBot`> Title: Silk Road trial: FBI reveals what’s on Ross Ulbricht’s computer, in open court | Ars Technica (at arstechnica.com)
21:15 <@RangerZ> eww.... years of chat logs... 'the books', org-charts...
21:15 <@RangerZ> he's going to be hung up and put on display by the gov't
21:17 < _NSAKEY> That's just stupid.
21:17 < _NSAKEY> He pretty much deserves the life in prison they're going to give him for the murder-for-hire schemes, just for being such an idiot.
21:18 <@RangerZ> my friend is/was friends with Blake Benthall, the 2.0 operator
21:18 <@RangerZ> and he's facing life in prison too
21:19 <@RangerZ> I told her that he (DPR) was stupid for keeping all that data on his laptop
21:20 < _NSAKEY> There isn't a single legitimate reason for keeping all of that stuff.
21:20 <@RangerZ> and she asked me what my "criminal mastermind" self would have done... I linked her to SOP practices for data security, shamir's secret sharing, etc
21:20 < _NSAKEY> It makes great popcorn material, and the books that come out in the next couple of years will be gold.
21:20 < _NSAKEY> But the guy is an idiot.
21:21 <@RangerZ> intellegent... but not 'smart'... he got lazy, and complacent
21:25 <@RangerZ> if you're making 'that' much money
21:25 <@RangerZ> you can afford to be smarter
21:33 < _NSAKEY> He was never smart about it in the first place. That's the thing.
21:33 < _NSAKEY> Did you ever read the original criminal complaint?
21:33 <@RangerZ> no, i did look for the charges, and found it
21:35 <@RangerZ> but really all I cared about was total years charged, etc
21:35 < _NSAKEY> He advertised it on some bitcoin forum with an acccount that was tied to his real name.
21:35 <@RangerZ> both 1.0 and 2.0 have _life_ in prison charges
21:35 <@RangerZ> or did
21:36 < _NSAKEY> At one point he made a post that said to e-mail him at a gmail like rossulbricht@gmail.com from that same account.
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21:36 <@RangerZ> honestly the news reports about them, seem to not really care about details
21:36 <@RangerZ> lol
21:36 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, the man doesn't take the idea of the drug market being permanently disrupted very lightly.
21:36 < _NSAKEY> They can't just kick some heads in in the black part of town, put some drugs on the table, and pretend they're making a difference in cases like both Silk Roads.
21:37 < _NSAKEY> It's a lot of internet detective work to nab some big sellers and the "kingpins," who are just glorified brokers and don't have any drugs they can put on a table for a press conference.
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21:41 <@RangerZ> yeah, which is why I'm afraid for (my friend and her mutal friends of both 2.0 and his g/f ... really, b/c I don't personally care about either of them) the gov't just putting ALL this on, so that they can hang 2.0 out to dry with life-sentence
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21:42 < _NSAKEY> I will be surprised if the 2.0 guy actually gets life. For one, he's apparently cooperated.
21:43 < _NSAKEY> Two, he didn't (To the public's knowledge) try to hire a hitman 6 times.
21:43 < _NSAKEY> Three, which ties into point 1, the first DPR is going to trial and they won't be kind to him for taking up their time.
21:44 <@RangerZ> yeah
21:44 <@RangerZ> i dunno
21:44 <@RangerZ> either way, its not a great idea to do that shit
21:44 <@RangerZ> lol
21:44 <@RangerZ> get 1$ usd, then just walk away
21:45 <@RangerZ> 1$m*
21:45 <@RangerZ> lol
21:45 < _NSAKEY> I'm really curious about how they actually caught both of them.
21:45 < _NSAKEY> The government told at least one lie today. Let me find it.
21:47 < _NSAKEY> I can't find it, but they mentioned the sellers-only section for high volume, trusted sellers.
21:47 < _NSAKEY> Claiming they got IPs from yet, yet it had a .onion address.
21:47 < _NSAKEY> That automatically means that the only IP they could possibly get from the logs is 127.0.0.1.
21:47 <@RangerZ> ehh
21:48 <@RangerZ> things like that I just 'hand wave' away
21:48 < _NSAKEY> So either the seller site that was mentioned was a hidden service and they only got localhost as the IP, or it wasn't and they got real IPs.
21:48 < _NSAKEY> It can't be both at once.
21:48 < _NSAKEY> Unless it was made available both ways.
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21:50 < _NSAKEY> Even then, the government still lied because it claimed that page was only accessible as a hidden service.
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21:52 < RangerZ1> or TOR isn't secret for the US gov't... which in and of itself isn't outside the realm of possibilities (possibly b/c of owning the node itself... OR... something being installed on his comptuer that they don't want to admit, etc)
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21:55 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ1: Given all the Snowden leaks, plus the obvious rookie mistakes he made left and right, I'm inclined to think tor isn't the way they got to him.
21:55 < RangerZ1> yeah
21:55 < RangerZ1> http://www.wsj.com/articles/google-to-sell-wireless-service-in-deals-with-sprint-t-mobile-1421887967
21:55 < PigBot`> Title: Google to Sell Wireless Service in Deals With Sprint, T-Mobile - WSJ (at www.wsj.com)
21:55 < RangerZ1> well well well....
21:55 < RangerZ1> hehehe
21:55 < _NSAKEY> The NSA could, in theory, do large-scale traffic analysis of the tor network... but doesn't.
21:56 < _NSAKEY> Nobody is really sure why this is the case.
22:01 < _NSAKEY> Found it.
22:01 < _NSAKEY> https://twitter.com/empiricalerror/status/558009706430881792
22:01 < RangerZ1> why 'only' capture the traffic from TOR
22:01 < PigBot`> Title: Dave on Twitter: "Hmm... http://t.co/rpZozyV2F6" (at twitter.com)
22:01 < _NSAKEY> The second paragraph pertains to what I was talking about.
22:02 < _NSAKEY> "user cannot accidently end up on the vendor site." Technically wrong, but practically correct.
22:02 < _NSAKEY> the 78 IPs over a hidden service address part is so wrong that it hurts.
22:04 < RangerZ1> 'ehh'
22:06 < RangerZ1> http://www.sfgate.com/sports/article/Boston-city-workers-can-t-dis-the-Olympics-6031193.php
22:06 < RangerZ1> part of me thinks it isn't worth hosting the world cup or olympics
22:07 < _NSAKEY> I follow at least 1 person on Twitter who is in Boston and doesn't want the Olympics in town.
22:07 < RangerZ1> the problem is, you have to allow them to operate 'tax free'
22:07 < _NSAKEY> Saw a bunch of pictures of past Olympic venues that are just left to rot because of that.
22:07 < RangerZ1> well FIFA, not sure about olympics
22:08 < RangerZ1> plus the 'cost' doesn't really make 'investments'
22:09 < RangerZ1> hell... brazil had laws against drinking at sporting games
22:09 < RangerZ1> and they _had_ to have that law changed
22:09 < RangerZ1> so that bud, could make money
22:18 < RangerZ1> Does anyone local have a macbook pro I can borrow or rent? I want to see how I like OSX/etc before I 1) have (a work one) ordered for me 2) order one myself
22:19 < RangerZ1> or know of where you can rent one cheaply
22:22 <@oddball> I think I've got a mac mini laying around here somewhere that I'm not using.  It doesn't have the most current OS, though.
22:23 < RangerZ1> hmm, thats kinda what I'm wanting to test out
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23:02 < RangerZ> HAHAHA... [ NFL has found that 11 of 12 Footballs were inflated 2psi below league standards... ]
23:03 < RangerZ> ESPN is reporting
23:03 <@Evilpig> I heard about that on the radio this morning
23:03 <@Evilpig> like really?  this is a major concern?
23:04 < RangerZ> apparently it is, b/c in the rain, you can hold/catch the ball MUCH better that way
23:04 <@Evilpig> they were bringing up points of the NFL approved the balls, so when were they actually deflated?
23:04 < RangerZ> apparently they 'were'
23:04 <@Evilpig> pre-checking the air pressure or they didn't check ahead of time and just approved them
23:04 <@Evilpig> and if they were checked then who deflated
23:05 < RangerZ> i dunno
23:05 < RangerZ> its interesting
23:05 < RangerZ> if they were defalted 'after' the inspection
23:14 <@klixa> both terms would benefit tho
23:14 <@klixa> teams*
23:15 < RangerZ> each team uses its own set of footballs
23:15 < RangerZ> ....because reasons....
23:15 < RangerZ> lol
23:17 <@klixa> but teams get tackled by other teams and the balls get taken
23:20 <@klixa> k guess not; I'm reading an article about it catering to retards like me
23:26 <@Evilpig> phone charging, ds charging and downloading.  guess I shoudl crash
23:36  * oddball checks the weather for the weekend
23:36 <@oddball> Looks like I chose a great weekend for a drive up for Detroit!
23:37 <@Evilpig> there is no such thing because you're still going to detroit
23:38 <@oddball> I don't know... going to the auto show
23:38 <@Evilpig> auto show == good   detroit == wtf man
23:39 <@Evilpig> at least you aren't flying into the trippy tunnel of lights
23:39 <@oddball> huh?
23:39 <@oddball> And I'd much rather fly into the airport in Detroit that LeGuardia.
23:40 <@Evilpig> LGA isn't horrid, getting out there is a bit of a bitch.  I normally fly out of newark
23:42 <@klixa> I picked the wrong day to go to Denver tho
23:42 <@klixa> snow, icy streets, bad tires
23:53 < RangerZ> so anyone looked into win10 ?
23:54 < RangerZ> saw some random articles, etc...and other than being free for win 7/8 owners...
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