--- Log opened Tue Jan 20 00:00:11 2015
00:00 < RangerZ> its like a 200 pg book
00:00 < RangerZ> they just fluffed it up to 3 movies
00:00 < RangerZ> I wouldn't have cared if they split it into 2 parts even...
00:01 < aestetix> I've read the book
00:01 < RangerZ> if they didn't make it a full year between the parts
00:01 < aestetix> well it was over 10 years ago, but still
00:01 < aestetix> Maybe his next 9 hour trilogy will be Jabberwocky or something
00:04 < _NSAKEY> Has anyone seen the new Hobbit yet?
00:05 < _NSAKEY> The stuff that was left over for the movie that's in theaters now took up less than 5 pages in The Hobbit, if I remember correctly.
00:07 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: I believe it's closer to 325 pages.
00:07 <@Bahhumbug> But stil not 8723648234 hours worth of material.
00:07 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: how did they manage that?
00:07 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: sure, I just guessed, I didn't look it up, but yeah
00:07 < aestetix> Is it just really fucking slow? Did to invent a bunch of dialogue that wasn't in the book?
00:08 <@Bahhumbug> Neither did I; I've just read that, and the rest of Tolkien's primary works, a dozen or so times.
00:08 < RangerZ> aestetix: no, brand new characters, parts pulled in from a bunch of short stories tolkien also wrote, etc
00:08 < aestetix> what
00:08 < aestetix> Did they change the story significantly?
00:08 < RangerZ> apparently
00:08 <@Bahhumbug> Yes.
00:09 < RangerZ> I haven't watched any of them yet
00:09 < RangerZ> I was going to wait for them to hit redbox, lol
00:09 <@Bahhumbug> Legolas, for instance, is not referenced in _The Hobbit_.
00:09 < aestetix> So it's not The Hobbit so much as what you get when you throw a bunch of Tolkien stories into a bowl and mix it together?
00:09 <@Bahhumbug> It's _The Hobbit_ with some creative license.
00:10 < RangerZ> http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/19/pope-francis-says-he-wants-to-address-joint-session-of-congress-republicans-should-be-terrified/
00:10 < PigBot`> Title: Addicting Info Pope Francis Says He Wants To Address Joint Session Of Congress, Republicans Should Be Terrified (at www.addictinginfo.org)
00:10 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: I haven't watched the new movie, so I don't know.
00:10 < aestetix> I haven't watched any of them.
00:10 < _NSAKEY> But they added stuff that's mentioned in RangerZ's link.
00:10 < aestetix> I also only saw the first LotR movie
00:10 <@Bahhumbug> You suck.
00:10 < RangerZ> ohh wow... I'd LOVE to see the catholic republicans's response to the Pope's address to congress
00:10 < _NSAKEY> Gandalf, for example, just disappears and re-appears at important times with little to no explanation.
00:11 < _NSAKEY> In the movies, they show what he's doing.
00:11 < _NSAKEY> Which is kind of cool, but not in the books at all.
00:11 <@Bahhumbug> Not in _that_ book.
00:11 <@Bahhumbug> His escapades are described in the trilogy, however.
00:11 < _NSAKEY> They also invented a female elf (Played by the woman who played Kate in Lost) in order to have a love triangle, probably at the insistence of some suit at the studio.
00:11 < aestetix> I guess I could re-attempt the trilogy.
00:11 < RangerZ> apparently Gandalf is basically an Angel, in that universe, but not really explained in those stories
00:11 < aestetix> The writing was just so bad, IMHO
00:12 < _NSAKEY> Bahhumbug: Correct, but that's not the point here.
00:12 <@Bahhumbug> He's Ainur.
00:12 <@Bahhumbug> All the Wizards are.
00:12 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: You would have to read some of the other books. Gandalf is pretty much a demi-god.
00:12 < _NSAKEY> That's over-simplifyig it, but that's probably the best way to describe him.
00:12 <@Bahhumbug> It's accurate.
00:13 <@Bahhumbug> You need to read _The Silmarilion_ to get the full story.
00:13 < RangerZ> yeah, I've listened to the audio books of hobbit/LotR, but honestly I don't really remember much
00:13 < _NSAKEY> Sauron is also just a henchman for Melkor, who was that universe's Lucifer figure.
00:13 < RangerZ> I'll probably sit down and READ them all at some point, after I graduate
00:13 <@Bahhumbug> Melkor was a Bad Ass.  Sauron is a putz in comparison.
00:13 < aestetix> Was Tolkien religious? I know CS Lewis was...
00:13 < RangerZ> He was a Prof. or Religious Studies
00:13 <@Bahhumbug> Just like Shelob is a wimp compared to Ungoliant.
00:13 < RangerZ> wasn't he?
00:13 < _NSAKEY> Bahhumbug: I used to tell people back in high school "Sauron's just a two bit pimp next to Melkor."
00:14 <@Bahhumbug> Indeed he is.
00:14 <@Bahhumbug> Melkor was the original Bad Ass.
00:14 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Yeah, he was a devout Catholic, which is fun to bring up whenever religious fundamentalists try to say his works are somehow evil.
00:16 <@Bahhumbug> _NSAKEY: http://ur1.ca/jh95q
00:16 < PigBot`> Title: #171745 Fedora Project Pastebin (at ur1.ca)
00:16 <@Bahhumbug> I have a thing for Tolkien :)
00:16 <@Dagmar> Soo... The Pope wants to talk to COngress?
00:16 <@Dagmar> I'm going to need a lot of popcorn
00:16 < _NSAKEY> This guy's anti-troll protection is a joke.
00:17 < _NSAKEY> Anyone who knows how to View Source won't have trouble.
00:17 < _NSAKEY> Bahhumbug: Oh, wow. And here I am, naming random VPSes after precious metals.
00:18 < _NSAKEY> Or jus <whatever it's doing goes here>.abigisp.com
00:19 <@Dagmar> I used to go to the grocery store and put a couple of quarters into one of those sticker machines.
00:19 <@Dagmar> I'd put the sticker on the case and name it whatever that was.
00:20 <@Dagmar> YOU CAN'T PUT STICKERS ON A VM THO
00:20 <@Bahhumbug> cirdan = squid, morannon = firewall, ungoliant = web, illuvatar = puppet, feanor/luthien = media servers, mithrandir/palantir = mail, rumil = backup server, elrond/theoden = misc internal services/nfs/dhcp/tftp/etc
00:21 < _NSAKEY> Bahhumbug: Are you planning on having a jump box to manage them all named sauron?
00:21 <@Bahhumbug> frodo is my jump host :)
00:22 <@Bahhumbug> My zone file for gerdesas.com. is completely littered with Tolkien-based host names; there are bunches that are no longer in service.
00:22 <@Bahhumbug> (Yes, I slack at pruning the old crap)
00:30 <@Dagmar> Oh hell
00:30 <@Dagmar> The hillbilly shootout that killed the Springfield elementary school principal...
00:30 <@Dagmar> THe owner of the Springwater is the guy who survived
00:33 <@Dagmar> He was her brother
00:39 <@Bahhumbug> I live under a news rock lately.  Springfield TN?
00:39 <@Dagmar> Yeah
00:40 <@Dagmar> There was apparently a family dispute that resulted in her brother opening fire
00:40 <@Dagmar> Everyone involved is >60 years old
00:40 <@Bahhumbug> @google springfield tn shooting
00:40 <@Dagmar> So, her brother shot everyone, and then Cantrell managed to get to his car and get HIS gun and shot her brother and killed him
00:40 < PigBot`> Bahhumbug: Error: "google" is not a valid command.
00:40  * Bahhumbug kicks PigBot` in the face
00:41 <@Bahhumbug> Wow.
00:41 <@Dagmar> http://www.tennessean.com/story/news/local/williamson/spring-hill/2015/01/18/spring-hill-elementary-school-principal-shooting-deaths/21954173/
00:41 < PigBot`> Title: Family dispute led to shooting deaths, police say (at www.tennessean.com)
00:42 <@Bahhumbug> Thanks.  Reading.
00:43 <@Bahhumbug> Ahh, Spring Hill.
00:43 <@Dagmar> All those redneck places sound alike
00:44 <@Bahhumbug> Heh.  Spring Hill = GM manufacturing; Springfield = ... something.
00:44 <@Dagmar> The bongwater is kind of legendary
00:44 <@Bahhumbug> My wife has Cantrell's on her side of the family.  I wonder if there is a relation.
00:44 <@Dagmar> ...if for no other reason that the place is so tiny it's a wonder the Fire Marshall allows them to have more than two customers at a time
00:45 <@Bahhumbug> heh
00:45 <@Dagmar> Dude my apartment is bigger
00:46 <@Bahhumbug> Haha
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02:18 < aestetix> god
02:18 < aestetix> fucking apple
02:18 < aestetix> ios is proving to be a huge PITA
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02:37 < aestetix> ok fuck apple
02:38 < aestetix> looks like I'm gonna have to jailbreak this thing
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02:59 < RangerZ> wait...
02:59 < RangerZ> that fucking edit of the hobbit has a torrent file on that site
03:02 < RangerZ> Warner Bros. sure wouldn't like that
03:02 < RangerZ> though it _is_ a derivitive work....
03:02 < RangerZ> wouldn't be surprised if it gets taken down fairly quickly
03:04 < _NSAKEY> The fact that it will get taken down is a given.
03:04 < _NSAKEY> It's not a matter of if, but when.
03:07 < RangerZ> yeah
04:06 < aestetix> ugh
04:14 < RangerZ> so my female friend out in SF was kinda pissed I was praising sarkesian
04:14 < RangerZ> ...for being a great troll...
04:14 < RangerZ> LOL
04:15 < RangerZ> but lets be honest, she's either really unknowledgeable about video games, and has a crap researcher, or she is purposely being intellectually dishonest in a lot of her videos
04:16 < RangerZ> which if that is true, she's purposely doing it to agitate conservatives and to make them attack her (great way to make money/get fame, btw)
04:17 < RangerZ> I think she's brilliant
04:17 < RangerZ> I kinda wish I had thought of doing it (well having a female friend do it through 'my' LLC, etc, lol...)
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09:00 < Synx|hm> morning peeps
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09:18 <@Dickie> I read that as "menstrual peeps" due to some letters line-jumping on me
09:21 <@Dagmar> grrrr
09:22 <@Dagmar> I go to the trouble of making all these font stamps perfectly the same height... and then Android randomly decides some of them need to be resized when displaying them
09:22 < Synx|hm> ha
09:24 <@Dagmar> This is just evil
09:26 <@Dagmar> I get the feeling that perhaps it's making some dim witted decisions because there's some transparency involved
09:27 <@Evilpig> this is fucking evil.  http://club2.nintendo.com/program-notice/
09:27 < PigBot`> Title: Nintendo.com - Club Nintendo Program Notice (at club2.nintendo.com)
09:27 <@Evilpig> damn nintendo
09:27 <@Evilpig> I was 10 points away from platinum this year and they're shutting the shit down for a new program and not transferring existing status.
09:27 < Synx|hm> haha
09:29 <@Dagmar> Now the question is, will you be able to enter those game codes again with the new loyalty program
09:30 <@Evilpig> no
09:30 <@Dickie> email them some swear words and empty threats
09:30 <@Evilpig> all new codes
09:30 <@Evilpig> http://en-americas-support.nintendo.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/2275/p/52
09:30 < PigBot`> Title: What Is the Special Gift that Elite Status Members Are Awarded? | Club Nintendo | Nintendo Support (at en-americas-support.nintendo.com)
09:30 <@Evilpig> so here are the rewards for this year
09:31 < Synx|hm> Evilpig: you have a wii u? what games you play so much?
09:31 < Synx|hm> i gave away my ps3 this xmas to a nephew (of the past 6 years or so ive had it ive played maybe 2 games on it, mostly just for blurays) and i almost never play my wii
09:31 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm: I have a 3ds, a wii u, and a wii
09:31 <@Dickie> Skylanders
09:32 <@Evilpig> ^
09:32 <@Evilpig> fuckin' skylanders
09:32 < Synx|hm> wife doesn't like the lego games :( so im waiting until the kiddo is few years older so i can play with him
09:32 <@oddball> Evilpig: I just read about them closing the rewards club down.  Didn't know that they were replacing it with a new one.
09:33 <@Evilpig> I didn't either til just now.  came up in tumblr game chat
09:34 <@Evilpig> at least they are giving all current members flipnote studio 3d.  which kinda blows but at least it's something
09:42 < Synx|hm> wait is this skylanders game with actual action figures?
09:43 <@Evilpig> yes
09:43 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm: https://www.dropbox.com/s/pgcsqq23c2eegxo/2015-01-06%2012.40.40.jpg?dl=0
09:43 < Synx|hm> holy jesus
09:44 < Synx|hm> you play this online or at home multiplayer?
09:44 <@Evilpig> you have to have more than one person to be multiplayer... that makes it more sad now that I type it out
09:45 < Synx|hm> so big gulp cup full of code red and your self make the party? :)
09:45 <@Evilpig> minus the code red
09:46 < Synx|hm> common code red is the shit! actually do they still even make that?
09:47 < Synx|hm> im going to have to watch a video of this once the wife leaves, it looks fun
09:47 < Synx|hm> is it like board game type of play?
09:48 < Synx|hm> does wii u play wii games btw?
09:48 < Synx|hm> super paper mario was the shit!
09:52 < Synx|hm> wtf is an amiibo
09:53 < Synx|hm> god im out of touch
09:53 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm: yes it does
09:54 <@oddball> Synx|hm: it's basically the Nintendo branded version of the Skylander figs.
09:58 < Synx|hm> lovely time for my headset to be dead, yearly goals meeting with the bobs
09:59 < Synx|hm> where i tell them my only goal is finding new employment ;)
10:01 <@oddball> Ok... a friend of mine has just proved that he is, indeed, more manly than me.  Here's his the video of his throw that got him first place in the caber toss: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPeUXIFqXOs
10:01 < PigBot`> Title: 2015 Central florida Scottish highland games - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
10:27 < Neoteric> does anyone know anyone at Poliana ? they're based in nashville
10:27 < Neoteric> and i would sorta assume some large interection between them and nashville lug
10:43 < Synx|hm> Evilpig: rando question, i assume these are just rfids (skylanders) can you just copy them into tags and bring your players to other peoples houses without having to take the actual pieces?
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10:55 <@Evilpig> Synx|hm: they're encrypted, otherwise i'd assume so
10:56 <@oddball> I was thinking that someone had cracked them.
10:57 <@opticron> http://gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/42659/how-do-the-skylanders-figurines-work
10:57 < PigBot`> Title: How do the Skylanders figurines work? - Arqade (at gaming.stackexchange.com)
10:58 <@opticron> ther are several links there
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11:05 <@Dagmar> RFID you can copy
11:05 <@Dagmar> ...at least _normal_ RFID you can copy
11:06 <@Dagmar> These appear to be capable of some bidirectional processing.
11:06 <@Dagmar> Bring one to the next 2600 and we'll check it out with our phones.  :)
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11:25 < RangerZ> Evilpig: http://weirdal.com/tour/
11:25 < PigBot`> Title: Tour | "Weird Al" Yankovic (at weirdal.com)
11:29 < RangerZ> you can buy tickets now for the NYC stop already
11:30 < RangerZ> (only one you can, so it makes me wonder if they would sell out first, despite it being a full 'music festival')
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11:57 < aestetix> http://www.datalove.net/citizen-four-movie
11:57 < PigBot`> Title: Datalove! <3 Citizen Four [movie] (at www.datalove.net)
12:20 <@Evilpig> and teh stupidfest continues this morning
12:20 < aestetix> you should all watch that movie
12:25 < aestetix> oh boy
12:25 < aestetix> http://pastebin.com/3jAQARCy
12:25 < PigBot`> Title: My Statement - Shanley - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
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12:37 <@shapr> good morning?
12:47 <@Dagmar> aestetix: Her suffering is a thing of beauty
12:47 <@Dagmar> lollolol
12:48 <@Dagmar> ...but seriously the bitch should just shut up.
12:49 <@Dagmar> She tried to do something dickish just to put a feather in her cap and failed, not only did she fail but she got called out on it, and now people are very understandably furious with her.
12:49 <@Dagmar> She should just suck it up, and take it as a sign that she should not be a toxic asshole.
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14:51 <@Evilpig> Bah!  the one time weird al is coming near me it's a damned music festival and the tickets are $260 each
15:05 <@oddball> ouch
15:05 <@Evilpig> http://www.eventbrite.com/e/the-governors-ball-music-festival-2014-tickets-9469121397
15:05 < PigBot`> Title: The Governors Ball Music Festival 2014- Eventbrite (at www.eventbrite.com)
15:06 <@Evilpig> I saw the "initial" payment and thought "oh that's not bad" until the "initial" part registered then it hurt
15:08 <@oddball> $260... with a $25 "fee" and $15 for shipping.  The fuck?
15:10 <@oddball> So... reality is that it's a $300 ticket.
15:10 <@Evilpig> yup
15:17 <@Mirage> Evilpig: last time I saw him was at Pleasure Island in FL...back in '92
15:17 <@Mirage> About the same time I saw They Might Be Giants for the first time...at the same venue
15:18 <@Mirage> $15 for shipping?!  wtf are they..golden tickets?
16:11 < aestetix> What the hell is the "fee" for?
16:12 < aestetix> If it's a handling fee... apparently it costs more to handle a VIP ticket than a regular one?
16:23 <@Dagmar> For $300 there better be some stick handling of another sort
16:27 <@Dagmar> Soo... this is apparently what The Oatmeal was talking about last night https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/elanlee/exploding-kittens
16:27 < PigBot`> Title: Exploding Kittens by Elan Lee Kickstarter (at www.kickstarter.com)
16:30 <@Dickie> I just backed that
16:30 <@Dickie> $35 gets you the NSFW deck and the regular deck
16:30 <@Dickie> First kickstarter I've ever backed. I have no idea what I'm doing.
16:31 <@Dickie> It funded 100% in 20 minutes and 1000% in < hr, apparently.
16:31 <@Dickie> 1 hr*
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16:35 <@Dickie> Cancelled loot crate, so I have a few bucks this month.
16:35 <@Dickie> had*
16:49 <@Dagmar> Well, he was only asking for $20/order
16:49 <@Dagmar> ...and $10,000 in total.  Pretty easy numbers to hit.
16:51 <@shapr> VAINA
16:57 < aestetix> aaaand I just added "shanley" to my twitter filter
16:57 <@shapr> ?
16:57 < aestetix> I'm sick of seeing posts about her
16:57 <@shapr> oh
16:57 < aestetix> oh wow, Evilpig check this out
16:57 < aestetix> https://invisiblegirlfriend.com/
16:57 < PigBot`> Title: Invisible Girlfriend (at invisiblegirlfriend.com)
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17:48 < aestetix> Evilpig: I have more vpn/networking questions
17:49 < aestetix> I created the bridge just fine, but when I bind it to an interface, that interface becomes unusable.
17:49  * aestetix is confused
17:52 <@Dagmar> OKay.  That's odd.
17:56 <@Dagmar> Clearly it doesn't always realize resources have been updated unless you remove the package first
17:58 <@Dagmar> dafuq
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18:07 <@Dagmar> *derp* it helps when you update the references to the new drawables in the class file
18:15 <@Evilpig> aestetix: what interface?
18:19 < aestetix> I tried to bind br0 to eth0
18:19 < aestetix> is that not correct?
18:20 < aestetix> I could bind it to tap0 (the openvpn interface) but that doesn't make sense to me
18:27 <@Evilpig> what makes up your bridge now?
18:29 < aestetix> I did brctl addbr br0
18:29 < aestetix> and then added it to eth0
18:29 < aestetix> well binded it
18:30 <@Evilpig> did you clear the IP from eth0 first?
18:30 <@Evilpig> ie set it to 0.0.0.0
18:30 < aestetix> wouldn't that kill access to it?
18:30 <@Evilpig> I hate you
18:30 <@Evilpig> let me paste my script ONE MORE TIME
18:31 < aestetix> eth0 = external facing ip address
18:31 <@Evilpig> http://pastebin.com/WQz7AjRt
18:31 < PigBot`> Title: sample bridge script - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
18:32 <@Evilpig> use script
18:32 <@Evilpig> fix IPs to match whatever you're using now
18:32 <@Evilpig> wim
18:32 <@Evilpig> win
18:32 <@Evilpig> I have mine setup in my network config scripts
18:33 < aestetix> right
18:33 < aestetix> I have the interfaces set there
18:33 <@Evilpig> auto br0
18:33 <@Evilpig> iface br0 inet static address 10.0.0.250 network 10.0.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 broadcast 10.0.0.255 gateway 10.0.0.251 bridge_ports eth5 bridge_maxwait 0
18:33 <@Evilpig> that pastebin will let you test it.
18:34 < aestetix> and as I thought, ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 just killed my network connection :p
18:34 <@Evilpig> of course it would
18:34 <@Evilpig> USE THE SCRIPT
18:34 <@Evilpig> as a script
18:34 <@Evilpig> fucking dolt
18:34 < aestetix> ok
18:34 <@Evilpig> it will do it all in one swipe
18:37 < aestetix> killed me again :/
18:38 <@Evilpig> routes correct?
18:38 <@Evilpig> do you have firewall rules pointing at an interface instead of the ip?
18:38 <@Evilpig> brctl show  says what?
18:38 < aestetix> lemme log in and see
18:38  * aestetix sucks at this stuff
18:39 <@Evilpig> show me the script you used, exactly
18:39 < aestetix> I copy pasted what you wrote into a script
18:39 < aestetix> brctl only shows br0 connected to interface eth1
18:39 <@Evilpig> did you use eth2 or eth0?
18:40 <@Evilpig> did you set your correct ip and gateway?
18:40 < aestetix> eth0 and eth1
18:41 <@Evilpig> so you're bridging both eth0 and 1 together?
18:41 < aestetix> no
18:41 < aestetix> well yes sort of
18:41 <@Evilpig> ...
18:42 < dfused> its great reading this while watching reruns of Pinky and The Brain. .....narf.
18:42 < aestetix> I am tempted to just contract this shit out to you :p
18:43  * shapr puts out a contract on vaina
18:43 <@shapr> aestetix: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=vaina
18:44 <@shapr> aestetix: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V%C3%A4in%C3%A4m%C3%B6inen aka Väinämöinen
18:44 < PigBot`> Title: Väinämöinen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
18:46 < aestetix> dfused: the issue is that it's nonintuitive and the documentation sucks
18:46 < dfused> oh I understand the struggle. its just funny watching evilpig's frustration while I hear Brain in the background.
18:47 < aestetix> I've been trying to figure this out for 3 days. The first two I killed the system over and over. The third day, I set up a throwaway system that I could reboot and kill at will
18:47 < aestetix> openvpn's documentation is utter and absolute shit
18:48 < aestetix> and I can usually figure this out by trial and error, but I spent 3/4 of the time getting the system back up :p
18:48 < dfused> oh jeebus.... yeah.
18:48 <@Dagmar> Do you understand _routing_?
18:48 <@Dagmar> 'cuz it sounds to me like you're fucking some stuff up pretty good
18:49 <@Dagmar> The last time I dealt with it, I agree... the documentation sucks.
18:49 <@Dagmar> However, I did not repeatedly lock myself out of my shit
18:49 <@Dagmar> ...which is what happens when you put insane-o bullshit into the routing table
18:49 <@Dagmar> I'm not judging, just pointing things out
18:49 < aestetix> sure
18:50 < aestetix> I understand the idea of routing. I haven't really worked with it much though.
18:50 < aestetix> And that's not much of an issue when there is decent documentation to learn from.
18:50 <@Dagmar> So stick with a simple static host route for now
18:50 <@Dagmar> netmask of 255.255.255.255
18:50 <@Dagmar> Pick any goddamn IP you like
18:50 <@Dagmar> If you fuck that up, it won't affect anything but your magical made up IP address
18:51 <@Dagmar> ...and you can use tcpdump to sniff the vpn interface
18:51 <@Dagmar> If you get the VPN params wrong, it generally just won't connect to the other end
18:51 <@Dagmar> No big deal there
18:52 <@Dagmar> The other way people fuck up is trying to direct * over the VPN interface
18:52 <@Dagmar> You can't _do_ that
18:53 <@Dagmar> It will fail and fail hard
18:53 <@Dagmar> ...because the progression, if you will, is that a packet starts heading out, hits the routing table, and the routing table says it's supposed to go over say... vpn0
18:53 <@Dagmar> vpn0 is a virtual interface that goes through the vpn driver
18:54 <@Dagmar> The VPN driver still has to be able to connect and talk to the remote end of the VPN link
18:54 < aestetix> sure
18:54 <@Dagmar> ...so traffic destined for _that_ IP address _can not_ be included in the netmask the vpn0 interface has a route for
18:56 <@Dagmar> Scrolling up a bit... now I'm worried
18:56 <@Dagmar> I don't bridge that sort of thing
18:57 <@Dagmar> Too much hassle
18:57 < aestetix> well the idea was to set up a vpn so someone could log into the whole network
18:57 < aestetix> and we could disable ssh from the outside
18:57 < aestetix> openvpn's docs indicated a bridge was the best solution for that
18:57 <@Dagmar> OKay well you should only really be worrying about bridging if you want broadcast traffic to go over it
18:58 <@Dagmar> ...and who was just saying the docs sucked?
18:58 < aestetix> heh
18:58 <@Dagmar> If you're talking about sending a VPN link across the internet, bridging is probably not going to be very useful
18:59 < aestetix> but if I do it by routing, don't I need to set up routes on every system?
18:59 <@Dagmar> Does the tap interface appear to manifest?  Like, you're getting syslog messages saying it connected and stuff?
18:59 < aestetix> or is that another place the docs are wrong
18:59 <@Dagmar> That depends on how insane you are
18:59 <@Dagmar> If you have separate private netblocks on each end, things are easy
18:59 <@Dagmar> If you have the same private netblock on both ends, you're looking at a world of pain, even without the VPN tunnel
19:00 <@Dagmar> Double NAT is of the debbil
19:00 < aestetix> well the idea is that if I'm a client logged into the vpn, I can connect to say both the staging and prod servers.
19:00 <@Dagmar> Basically, if you look at the routing _without_ the VPN involved and it makes your head hurt, yuo're probably in trouble
19:01 < aestetix> It really shouldn't be that hard.
19:01 <@Dagmar> It's actually not that ahrd
19:02 <@Dagmar> Putting bridging in place is more painful by far
19:02 <@Evilpig> it shouldn't be that hard.  just getting all the routing right is the tricky bit
19:02 < aestetix> If bridging is not required for that, then I'm all in favor of tossing it
19:04 <@Dagmar> Looking at that pastebin link... what were you normally using eth0 and eth2 for?
19:04 <@Dagmar> Please tell me the answer is "nothing"
19:04 <@Evilpig> me?  eth0 might have been external
19:04 <@Dagmar> Nah, aestetic
19:04 <@Evilpig> that's my script
19:04 <@Evilpig> well my test one
19:05 <@Dagmar> Ah okay
19:05 <@Evilpig> eth0 is the shitty onboard nic I have.  eth2 was my external
19:40 < aestetix> today has sucked
19:40 < aestetix> three fires to put out, and two conference calls at the same time :/
19:41 <@Evilpig> surprised this hadn't come to market sooner.  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00NA00MWS/
20:21 < aestetix> man rackspace is something else
20:21 < aestetix> I do not know how they survive as humans
20:21 < aestetix> like the process of using a fork to eat food seems to be too advanced for them
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20:34 < RangerZ> hahaha... fiend has TW Cable... and his 'speed test' results at 69 mbps ... but he can't keep an SSH session open longer than a few seconds...
20:34 < RangerZ> nope... no dropped packets at alll....nope
20:35 < RangerZ> TW says 'there isn't a problem' hehehe
20:36 < RangerZ> takes a lot for me to be glad I have comcast...
20:37 < aestetix> maybe he could run ssh over a dns tunnel
20:42 < RangerZ> it only lasted like 20min for him, but he was so pissed
20:42 < RangerZ> not like he was trying to do an interview over skype or anything...
20:42 < RangerZ> hehe
20:54 < aestetix> http://www.whitehouse.gov/sotu
21:00 < RangerZ> yeah
21:00 < aestetix> wow
21:01 < aestetix> if you look at the crowd in the balcony area
21:01 < aestetix> they all have macbooks
21:03 < RangerZ> i've been debating about getting a macbook
21:03 < aestetix> after my ipad experience I am never buying apple products again
21:04 <@Evilpig> aestetix: i'm not as opposed to apple products as I was since i've had a year to get used to this macbook
21:04 < RangerZ> iOS isn't OSX
21:04 < aestetix> true
21:04 <@Evilpig> they did some things right, and some things that I just want to grab a dev by the neck and squeeze til he shits himself
21:04 < aestetix> ios is a horrible horrible thing
21:04 < RangerZ> core kernel level apparently they are 'close' (supposedly)
21:05 < aestetix> seriously who the fuck are they to tell me I can't install software I legally own
21:05 <@Evilpig> gestures, mostly work and are generally handy
21:05 <@Evilpig> finder... is a giant piece of steaming shit
21:05 <@Evilpig> it's more effective for me to use find on teh command line then open a folder of shit and type "*.jpg" in the search window that you'd assume would just search the window you're fucking looking at
21:06 < aestetix> yep
21:06 <@Evilpig> it generally will give me back email before it will give me something that I was just fucking looking at
21:06 < RangerZ> the fact that entire business models have popped up to sell softare to 'fix' issues with OSX
21:06 < RangerZ> is interesting
21:06 < RangerZ> like finder
21:06 <@Evilpig> if I were apple, I would see that kind of shit meaning this product is a giant failure and shoudl be re-evaluated
21:07 <@Evilpig> the fact that people can even market software as "<blank> is what <mac blank> should have been"
21:07 <@Evilpig> should be a sign
21:08 <@Evilpig> granted there's been shit like that for windows for years too
21:08 < RangerZ> yeah
21:08 < aestetix> ok now we get ready for 10 minutes of speaking and 2 hours of applause
21:08 < RangerZ> but at least MSFT 'tries' to fix them
21:08 < RangerZ> it just fucks up as often as it does good
21:08 <@Evilpig> alot of the fixing stuff in windows was adding new features and stuff
21:08 <@Evilpig> something called "finder" should be able to FIND THINGS!!!
21:09 <@Evilpig> using spacebar to preview a file, picture, music, movie, whatever...  awesome 
21:09 <@Evilpig> fanfuckingtastic
21:09 <@Evilpig> minimize the folder that contains said media and that thing you were just looking at goes away with the fucking folder.
21:10 <@Evilpig> WHAT?!
21:10 <@Evilpig> wtf were they thinking?  they leave me the preview window but remove the thing that I was looking at
21:11 < RangerZ> ohh, so who wants to bet if we'll have another 'lier' moment tonight?
21:11 < RangerZ> lol
21:13 < RangerZ> I see Obama, Biden, but what is that tangerine doing up there?
21:13 < RangerZ> lol
21:24 < dfused> my ipad was a great productivity device until I found clash of clans and boom beach. ... dammit.
21:24 < RangerZ> dfused: just be glad it doesn't have flash
21:24 < RangerZ> or html5
21:25 < RangerZ> baloon tower defense 5 would eat your life
21:25 < RangerZ> lol
21:25 < dfused> hehe
21:28 < aestetix> wow
21:28 < aestetix> this SOTU is going to piss of the GOP
21:29 <@Evilpig> I like bloon td
21:31 < RangerZ> there is a "republican" and then 2 different "tea party" responses after this
21:31 < RangerZ> wait...
21:31 < RangerZ> no... 4 total I think
21:31 < RangerZ> lol
21:36 < RangerZ> obviously repomen will be the job of the future, to take out electronic organs when pepole can't pay the rent
21:36 < aestetix> haha
21:37 < aestetix> Ok he's doing a New Deal
21:37 < dfused> hah... reminds me of futurama. "What you want gills? ...Great, then you don't need lungs, yes?"
21:38 < dfused> ..sigh.... I watch too much tv
21:49 < RangerZ> ohh he's being a fucking bastard
21:49 < RangerZ> quoting the pope
21:49 < RangerZ> lol
21:49 < RangerZ> to catholic republicans
21:49 < RangerZ> i swear... My wish for this year... the pope addresses a join session of congress
21:49 < RangerZ> LOL
21:49 < RangerZ> THIS pope, that is
21:52 < Synx|hm> good lord hawks are killing coyotes
21:53 < dfused> go hawks!
21:54 < Synx|hm> ya we need the points :) played horrible last two games
21:54 < dfused> oh...well thats good too. I was just hoping actual hawks were attacking coyotes for some reason. I'm all for total animal anarchy! lol
21:55 < Synx|hm> lol
21:56 < Synx|hm> preds are at top of division and 2nd in conference incase anyone cares
22:21 <@oddball> yep
22:22 <@oddball> As, frankly, they should have been last year, but they fucked up.
22:26 < Synx|hm> well they wont be for long, pekka rinne is out
22:27 < Synx|hm> likely another 3-4 weeks
22:29 <@oddball> Right.  Forgot about that.
22:30 <@oddball> By the way, that was an instant sign that I wouldn't like Crazy Pants.  She's a 'Hawks fan.
22:30 < Synx|hm> ha
22:31 < Synx|hm> guy down the road at the booze store said it would be the last time i was allowed in the store with hawks hat on
22:31 <@oddball> You too?
22:31 < Synx|hm> i told him when he wins a cup he can enforce that
22:31 < Synx|hm> i drag my son around in full hawks pjs
22:31  * oddball goes to find his 'Wings gear.
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