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00:35 < aestetix> RangerZ: your internet sucks
00:47 <@Dagmar> 8D https://www.facebook.com/video.php?v=10153046168583945&fref=nf
00:47 < PigBot`> Title: Comments (at www.facebook.com)
00:48 <@Dagmar> This is tewtelly irresponsible use of technology.  I *approve*
01:03 < aestetix> I think I figured out the primary issue being the college debacle.
01:04 < aestetix> We have a generation of kids who have been told they need to go to college, but not why.
01:04 <@Dagmar> It's so they can grow up to be proper slaves.
01:04 < aestetix> Well there's that too.
01:50 < aestetix> oh wow
01:50 < aestetix> http://valleywag.gawker.com/now-some-assholes-are-taunting-the-pro-diversity-people-1680013510
01:51 < aestetix> ToleranUX (like UNIX, but with more Toblerone and Tolerance) is the world's first UNIX-like operating system kernel that adheres to the 21st Century modern tenants of Equality, Inclusiveness, and Tolerance.
01:51 < aestetix> This is the world's first operating system kernel by FEMINISTS, for FEMINISTS.
01:51 < aestetix> what the fuck
01:52 < aestetix> https://github.com/The-Feminist-Software-Foundation/ToleranUX
01:52 < aestetix> this is the stupidest thing I have ever seen
01:53 <@Dagmar> I'm sure it will leave out access controls because everyone is equal.
01:53 < aestetix> https://github.com/The-Feminist-Software-Foundation/ToleranUX/commit/0e9d99a129497f1a5abf4fcaf7eb524377de75cb
01:53 < aestetix> yep
01:54 < aestetix> oh I see it's a troll
01:54 < aestetix> that's the only explanation
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01:57 < aestetix> klixa: https://github.com/The-Feminist-Software-Foundation/ToleranUX
01:57 < aestetix> enjoy
01:57 <@klixa> lol no; i don't like equality
02:03 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: It took you this long to figure out it was a troll?
02:04 < _NSAKEY> You not only can't math, but you can't logic either.
02:04 < aestetix> No, I'm tired and the article was clickbaity.
02:15 <@klixa> i am so sick of this fucking network...its being invaded by stupid reddit and hipster fags
02:16 < aestetix> which network?
02:16 <@klixa> freenode
02:16 < aestetix> having issues in another channel?
02:16 <@klixa> always
02:17 < aestetix> or are you mocking me :p
02:17 <@klixa> i was deopped in one chan for asying 30 year old men shoudlnt invite 13 year old girls t the channel
02:17 <@klixa> and then after being deopped...suddenly i have all tehse people trying to start fights with me in yet another channel because no one thinks for themselves
02:18 <@klixa> aestetix: i always have issues, because... i dont post lolcats or reddit links
02:18 <@klixa> and whatever the fuck else all these aspie faggots do
02:18 < aestetix> If I want to see reddit links I can go to reddit
02:19 < aestetix> Whereas if I want to ask questions about goat porn and anal sex I come here
02:20 <@klixa> you're still better than those peopel, which is sad :/
02:20 < _NSAKEY> klixa: It's freenode. It's pretty much a breeding ground for the kind of people who constitute the cancer that is killing IRC.
02:21 <@klixa> it wasnt' always like this tho :(
02:22 < aestetix> klixa: can you share a log of it?
02:22 < aestetix> I wanna know what reddit irc looks like
02:22 <@klixa> aestetix: well, reddit irc is difefrent than the issues i just, had...if you wanna see reddit irc, join a reddit chan
02:24 <@klixa> i was in a pregnancy chan... until i relaised it was an extension of a reddit chan, and none of those women knew ANYTHING about computers
02:24 < aestetix> heh
02:24 < _NSAKEY> One thing I've found is that any network which doesn't cloak IPs by default is usually pure cancer.
02:24 < _NSAKEY> It's a good rule of thumb to live by.
02:24 <@klixa> one person was all "my extenal hard drive is for a mac and i have a pc so i cant use it" and i spent an hour telling her she could and how to...and she was too dumb to follow simple directions
02:24 < aestetix> that reminds me of the irc channel for a hackerspace I was involved with
02:25 < aestetix> the hackerspace got overrun by a bunch of idiot fauxminists, who proceeded to come into the irc channel
02:25 <@klixa> _NSAKEY: i dont think i have ever been on one that cloaks by default
02:25 < aestetix> and boy was *that* fun
02:25 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Did they watch Hackers and think that they could pop gibsons and skate through traffic lights?
02:25 < aestetix> they actually held a meeting one night IRL discussing what might be standards for the IRC channel
02:25 <@klixa> i have been on austnet, effnet, oftc, freenode, and some other one that i cant remeber
02:25 < aestetix> I was like "uhh..... it's fucking irc"
02:26 < _NSAKEY> oftc isn't as bad for some reason, I just have no reason to go there.
02:26 <@klixa> there was an ep of #'s one time that showed irc, and had everyone typing in l33t and using irssi
02:26 <@klixa> Numbers*
02:26 <@klixa> oftc is usually dead
02:28 <@klixa> this is the only channel i have been on here that you can say whatever you want wihtout getting people threatening to ban you and powertrip on you
02:28 <@klixa> powertripping*
02:29 < aestetix> except for Bahhumbug
02:29 <@klixa> does he  threaten to ban people?
02:29 < aestetix> well no
02:29 < aestetix> he actually does :p
02:29 <@klixa> other than "crazypants" i have never seen anyone banned
02:30 <@klixa> and hell, even with her, she was crazy for months before anyone finally took action
02:30 < _NSAKEY> He also threatens to forward aestetix's chats to opers.
02:31 <@klixa> to which opers? ones in here?
02:31 < _NSAKEY> Freenode opers.
02:31 <@klixa> lmfao
02:31 <@klixa> man, hes just like those people then
02:31 <@klixa> freenode ops dont care at all
02:31 <@klixa> staff, rather
02:32 < aestetix> unless you say DCC SEND startkeylogger 0 0 0
02:32 < aestetix> oh wow that didn't trigger a warning
02:32 <@klixa> thats hwo they are tho...instead of confronting people and arguing back or something, they act passive aggressive...and hold grudges
02:32 < aestetix> uhhhh
02:32 <@klixa> to me, everyday on irc is a reset
02:32 < aestetix> that's fucking stupid
02:32 <@klixa> like, i dont care who pissed me off yesterda
02:33 < aestetix> right
02:33 < aestetix> as I said, "it's irc"
02:33 <@klixa> im like thta irl too
02:35 <@klixa> well, with most people... i dont like my stepmother...but shes evil
02:37 < aestetix> so maybe the passive aggression isn't just a california thing?
02:37 <@klixa> not at all...its a worldwife phenomena
02:38 <@klixa> worldwide*
02:38 < aestetix> ugh
02:38 < aestetix> just like the uptalk crap
02:39 <@klixa> uptalk?
02:39 < aestetix> that's where you say something but end it as if you're asking a question
02:39 < aestetix> IMHO its an indication of insecurity
02:39 < RangerZ> not anymore
02:39 < RangerZ> its just habbit
02:39 <@klixa> im trying to wonder if i ever uptalk
02:39 < RangerZ> from so many people doing it
02:40 < RangerZ> you do
02:40 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQWej-hMiZI
02:40 < RangerZ> its a natural thing to do, just not as common (they think) as it used to be
02:40 < PigBot`> Title: Uptalk in Public Speaking - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
02:40 <@klixa> i think it would dpeend the tyoes pf things you are saying
02:40 <@klixa> like whether it was a sign f insecurity or not
02:42 <@klixa> RangerZ: i duno, im wtaching that vid, and i dont think i do that much
02:43 < RangerZ> I don't think I do it much, but thats because I talk kinda monotone ...lol
02:43 <@klixa> i rarely talk to people, but my most recent interaction was today, and me telling an apple store manager that they look for any excuse they can not to honor a warranty and how it annoys me
02:43 <@klixa> he ended up giving me a 50% discount
02:44 <@klixa> my major flaw, is i try to be assertive and end up being aggressive
02:44 <@klixa> like, i get annoyed and start getting a little mean... i have toruble staying clam
02:44 < RangerZ> ....no....
02:44  * RangerZ backs away slowly
02:44 < RangerZ> ;)
02:45 <@klixa> being pregnant makes it worse...im irrational as fuck most days
02:46 <@klixa> the only time i uptalk is if someone asks me a question and i answer but am sure of the answer
02:46 <@klixa> to the best of my knowledge anyway
02:48 < RangerZ> I only do it when I do my hogan's heroes impression ... "I know _nutTing.."
02:49 < RangerZ> lol
02:49 <@klixa> that's so perverse
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04:10 < RangerZ> https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10915315_10152658799838549_5474944600881036831_n.png?oh=0ad5694cc18d8fc358d91c79ca6c4350&oe=55250739&__gda__=1428939823_127a9b39c62cf202d4dc16abb768f6cb
04:11 < RangerZ> http://tinyurl.com/phawx5d short version
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07:32 < Synx|hm> so tired
07:32 <@Dickie> so sexy
07:32 <@Dickie> Life is hard
07:32  * Dickie gyrates
07:37 < Synx|hm> hah
08:40 < Synx|hm> im going to vomit
08:41 < Synx|hm> i just ripped massive ass on a conf call without being on mute
08:41 < Synx|hm> doh
09:30 <@Dagmar> You passed wind on a conf?
09:30 <@Dagmar> Big deal.
09:30 <@Dagmar> Let us know when you secure a hooker while you're on a conf.
09:30 < Synx|hm> haha will do
09:31 <@Dagmar> To put this another way... unless you're using Google Video Hangouts that focuses on a speaker, no one will ever know it was you unless you tell them
09:33 < Synx|hm> lync, and yes it does focus on who is speaking
09:33 < Synx|hm> but what ever im not worried about it ;)
10:04 < Synx|hm> someone else on comcast try and watch this
10:04 < Synx|hm> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5wlldFkBelg&feature=youtu.be
10:05 < PigBot`> Title: Seabs fight - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
10:05 < Synx|hm> i cant watch a single you tube video this morning
10:17 < Synx|hm> oh its fucking chrome
10:18 < Synx|hm> loads fine in ie
10:31 <@Shadow404> anyone have experience or recomend any of these open source video editors? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_editing_software#Free_and_open-source
10:31 < PigBot`> Title: List of video editing software - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
10:31 <@Shadow404> vlmc doesnt have any downloads availabel right now, that would of been my goto
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12:52 < RangerZ> Shadow404: what do you need to do?
12:52 < RangerZ> I've used a few of those
12:55 < RangerZ> becuase each of them has their own advantage, use case, etc
12:56 < RangerZ> like virtualdub is used to add subtitles, to do timings FOR subtitles, etc
12:57 < RangerZ> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenShot_Video_Editor is what I used to edit the videos I was making for youtube
12:57 < PigBot`> Title: OpenShot Video Editor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (at en.wikipedia.org)
12:59 < RangerZ> b/c I wanted something on linux, and i didn't want to buy Adobe subscription, etc
13:02 <@Evilpig> how bad is this gonna be? http://www.fandango.com/blackhat_178055/movieoverview
13:02 < PigBot`> Title: Blackhat (2015) | Fandango (at www.fandango.com)
13:02 < RangerZ> Evilpig: I've seen trailers... looks bad
13:03 < RangerZ> looks like a 'good movie', but bad 'hacker movie'
13:03 <@Evilpig> so it shoudl be a good action movie but the hacker side is gonna make me cringe
13:03 < RangerZ> thats my guess
13:04 <@Evilpig> guess I'll be findingout around 3
13:05 < RangerZ> I just rewatched Hackers
13:06 <@Evilpig> arf arf arf
13:06 < RangerZ> at least he won't be wearing a google glass in 1995... and have a 3D image, etc
13:12 <@Evilpig> I wonder if anyone cited that as prior art on google's glass patent. surely they filed one for it
13:20 <@Shadow404> yeah, i dont think i would enjoy blackhat, i just watched the trailer with the gf and i was like nope
13:20 <@Shadow404> RangerZ: i settled on just using windows movie makers, took a while for it to format from my contour camera cause it was like 1.5gb video file i needed to trim off 25 minutes of dead video on
13:21 <@Shadow404> i left the camera recording by accident at one point during my trip
13:21 < RangerZ> ohh
13:21 < RangerZ> then you should have converted it first, then edited
13:21 < RangerZ> well...
13:21 < RangerZ> ehh
13:21 < RangerZ> WMM used to suck for speed
13:22 < RangerZ> won't know anymore
13:22 <@Shadow404> even on a quad core it still sloooowww
13:22 < RangerZ> openshot might be better
13:22 <@Evilpig> by accident... you mean trying to make home porn without her realizing it
13:22 <@Shadow404> but i just played games on the other window while it did its thing
13:22 <@Evilpig> or you made the porn and didn't feel like getting up to turn it off
13:23 < RangerZ> Evilpig: he was still tied down
13:23 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: a little column a, a little column b
13:23 <@Shadow404> and a little column c (ranger)
13:24 < RangerZ> but yeah, setup FFmpeg based encoder (open shot, or w/e) if you need 'faster' encoding
13:24 < RangerZ> if you ever need to do that quicker (aka... PornHub wants the video faster)
13:24 <@Shadow404> heh
13:25 <@Shadow404> tbh, it was snorkeling with sharks and stingrays
13:25 <@Shadow404> i forgot to turn off the camera when i got out of the water and put it back into the dive bag without turning it off
13:25 <@Evilpig> so he was wearing a snorkel and going down on her?  or he was wearing a sharkfin and same thing
13:25 < RangerZ> god damn hun... even pornhub doesn't have that kind of porn
13:25 <@Shadow404> hahaha
13:26 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: hey, dont shun swim pron
13:26 <@Shadow404> http://no-water-required.tumblr.com/
13:26 < PigBot`> Title: No Water Required (at no-water-required.tumblr.com)
13:26 <@Shadow404> thx pig for hosting that
13:26 <@Evilpig> i'm all for swim pr0n but not with you in it
13:26 < RangerZ> your girl is welcome thou, is what he's saying
13:27 <@Shadow404> i have a few pics i can upload to fit that category i just linked with her in it
13:45 <@Evilpig> http://ruindays.com/#pricing
13:45 < PigBot`> Title: Ruin Days (at ruindays.com)
13:45 <@Evilpig> there's more than one of these services
13:45 <@Evilpig> lol
14:06 < RangerZ> so, I have to re-up my domain, who is a good registar now a days?
14:06 < RangerZ> I haven't been keeping up on it, etc
14:09 < RangerZ> and plus the new gTLDs hav probably shaken things up, etc
14:09 <@Evilpig> I still use netsol for $10 a year
14:10 < RangerZ> google is 12$
14:10 < RangerZ> with private reg
14:10 < RangerZ> which is why I was wondering if other places were trying to compete, etc
14:10 <@Evilpig> i'm anti-private reg
14:11 <@Evilpig> that's some bullshit
14:12 < RangerZ> i agree
14:12 < RangerZ> BUT
14:12 < RangerZ> if its an option, i'd choose it
14:12 < RangerZ> b/c fuck everyone else, if i'm going to get screwed, lol
14:43 < RangerZ> hmm... netsol wants 35$/yr
14:48 <@Evilpig> only for rubes
14:48 <@Evilpig> you call them and they'll drop it to $10
14:48 <@Evilpig> i'm out.  headed to the movies
14:57 < RangerZ> say hi to JILL and ROSIE for Shadow404
14:58 < RangerZ> he misses them ;)
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16:46 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRtS_jRvxr8 this is some BULLSHIT
16:46 < PigBot`> Title: How Cops Destroy Careers If Theyre Held Accountable - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
16:46 < RangerZ1> cops shouldn't get to decide which DAs get to work on cop abuse of force cases
16:51 <@oddball> but it's just a few bad apples!
16:52 <@oddball> That's why Officer Roid Rage in Ohio was fired!  Oh... wait... the "good cops" he worked with donated their vacation time so that he was still paid while the police union succeded in getting him his job back.
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17:24 < RangerZ1> oddball: the thing is... I was a _member_ of the youth police academy
17:24 < aestetix> that was fucking annoying
17:24 < aestetix> I had a nightmare where I was in a feminist training class
17:24 < RangerZ1> I'm a big supporter of the police in the abstract
17:24 < RangerZ1> I knew lots of police, etc
17:24 < RangerZ1> but, DARE is a joke
17:24 < RangerZ1> and 'ok' thats just our national policy
17:25 < RangerZ1> but these abuses, killings, etc... are just fucking pissing me off
17:25 <@oddball> DARE is one of those things that looks good on paper.
17:25 < RangerZ1> yeah
17:25 < RangerZ1> when I saw the stats on 'stop and frisk' i had to be against it to be logically consistant
17:26 < RangerZ1> b/c I'm against laws that 'hurt' minorities/poor by "accident"
17:26 <@oddball> The thing with the abuses, killings, etc is that the "good cops" need to turn their backs on the bad cops... not circle the fucking wagon.
17:26 <@oddball> s/wagon/wagons
17:27 < RangerZ1> like voter ID laws that accept CCW/hunting IDs, (that don't even have photos in most states) but not state univ. IDs that DO have photos
17:27 <@oddball> Fact is that the average honest citizen fears the presence of cops.  That needs to change.
17:27 < RangerZ1> yep
17:28 < RangerZ1> so I was reading into the "Lead Theory of Crime"
17:28 < RangerZ1> basically when we stopped lead in paint, and lead in gas... ohh look crime dropped
17:28 < RangerZ1> and it does in every nation that does
17:28 < RangerZ1> b/c lead in blood drops IQ by 5~10 points
17:28 <@oddball> Where has there been a voter ID law passed or proposed that wants more than a voter's registration card, but doesn't mandate it to be a photo ID?
17:28 < RangerZ1> Ohio
17:29 < RangerZ1> PA
17:29 < RangerZ1> WI
17:29 < RangerZ1> i 'think' NC
17:29 <@shapr> GOOD AFTERNOON
17:29 < RangerZ1> (states I have family associations with)
17:29 < RangerZ1> lol
17:29 <@oddball> huh... thought those required photo ID
17:29 < RangerZ1> nope
17:29 < RangerZ1> CCW in Ohio isn't photo
17:29 < RangerZ1> just a piece of paper
17:30 < RangerZ1> the "key" is an "experation date"
17:30 < RangerZ1> univ IDs almost never have "expiration dates"
17:30 <@oddball> Well, that's stupid.  There's zero purpose to go beyond the voter's registration card without the photo part.
17:30 < RangerZ1> yep
17:31 < RangerZ1> which is why I'm against laws like that
17:31 < RangerZ1> I'm -fine- with voter IDs
17:31 < RangerZ1> but they should be free
17:31 < RangerZ1> and easy to get
17:31 <@oddball> Well, universities are also in this weird space where they're sort of state run, and sort of not.
17:31 < RangerZ1> in ohio, they are 100% state ran
17:31 < RangerZ1> no excuse
17:31 < RangerZ1> state board of regents is a state cabinet level 'seat' (many seats as a collective)
17:32 < RangerZ1> and they 'run' all the state Univ.
17:32 <@oddball> Right, but the schools are allowed to do things that a government body isn't typically allowed to do when dealing with the students.
17:33 < RangerZ1> such as?
17:33 <@oddball> Restrictions on what students can do/say.
17:33 < RangerZ1> Univ. Teachers _CAN_ sleep with students
17:33 < RangerZ1> lol
17:33 < RangerZ1> ohh don't worry
17:34 < RangerZ1> we've given that right to the states now too
17:34 < RangerZ1> -_-
17:34 < RangerZ1> for 'any citize'
17:34 < RangerZ1> not just students
17:34 < RangerZ1> they are called "free speech zones"
17:34 < RangerZ1> the one in nashville, for the state gov't,  is right outside the days inn near the stadium
17:34 <@oddball> yep
17:35 < RangerZ1> for the city gov't it is outside the mcDs on broadway
17:35 < RangerZ1> lol
17:35 < RangerZ1> oddball: PM
17:35 <@oddball> But I remember there were things in the rules of the state school I went to that they claimed they would enforce off campus.
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17:45 < aestetix> free speech zones originated in I think the 60s or 70s
17:45 < aestetix> although they started coming back in 2003
17:45 < RangerZ1> with bush
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17:45 < aestetix> right
17:45 < RangerZ1> b/c ALL of bush's ppl were from the 60s/70s
17:45 < RangerZ1> look at a documentary of the people around Nixon, and its like wtf...
17:46 < RangerZ1> wolfowitz, chaney, rumsfeld...
17:47 <@oddball> And with most of those types of things, Obama got into office and decided "this is a great thing!"  Just proof that people need to remember that they need to think how they would feel if "the other side" was able to do x.  'Cause you're not going to be in power forever.
17:52 < RangerZ1> http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2013/01/lead-crime-link-gasoline
17:52 < PigBot`> Title: Americas Real Criminal Element: Lead | Mother Jones (at www.motherjones.com)
17:52 < RangerZ1> I keep reading that article, so facinating to me
18:03 <@Dagmar> Call them what they are
18:03 <@Dagmar> "Tyranny pens"
18:09 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yEICcpM28OE jesus...
18:09 < PigBot`> Title: Poor Kids Arrested By Philippines Before Pope Francis Visit - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:09 < RangerZ1> WWJD
18:09 < RangerZ1> how about GIVE THE KIDS HOMES ?
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18:13 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OftnXxA_t-I at first... I thought this was stupid... BUT...
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18:13 < PigBot`> Title: New Law Requires Gender Neutral Bathroom Signs - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
18:13 < RangerZ1> but... if the entire restroom only has one place to go... there is no reason to have a sign
18:14 < RangerZ1> plus having 2 bathrooms that are 'single' is stupid, plus it lets you take your kids to the bathroom, ignoring gender, etc
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18:24 <@Dagmar> By the way... _Automata_ is now on Netflix
18:27 < aestetix> RangerZ1: I don't like having stalls period.
18:27 < aestetix> I don't care if it's a male or female next to me, I really don't want to listen to their business.
18:29 < aestetix> oh wow
18:29 < aestetix> http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/01/17/i-taught-shanley-kane-how-to-troll-and-im-sincerely-sorry/
18:31 < aestetix> so much for shanley
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19:03 < RangerZ> aestetix: breitbart is a joke site though
19:03 < aestetix> Doesn't matter
19:03 < RangerZ> the onion accidently gets more stories right than they do
19:04 < aestetix> that just linked shanley to weev
19:04 < RangerZ> they have -made up- stories before
19:04 < aestetix> But shanley confirmed this was true on her twitter stream
19:04 < RangerZ> she did?
19:04 < aestetix> yes
19:04 < RangerZ> i should have said 'she' did?
19:04 < aestetix> in a very... not so nice manner
19:04 < RangerZ> ohh so it WAS her
19:04 < aestetix> basically she's having a public meltdown
19:04 < RangerZ> lol
19:05 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/shanley/status/556548411386646528
19:05 < PigBot`> Title: Shanley on Twitter: "At least I fucked weev in shame and private unlike the EFF, TechCrunch, the NY Times and all the rest of your favs." (at twitter.com)
19:06 < aestetix> there's a lot more
19:06 < aestetix> but yeah
19:06 < RangerZ> hmm
19:06 < aestetix> The sensible thing to do IMHO would have been to go radio silent for a while
19:06 < aestetix> Let it blow over
19:06 < RangerZ> nope
19:06 < RangerZ> not on twitter
19:07 < RangerZ> you have to play the victim card
19:07 < aestetix> But she's already been doing that.
19:07 < RangerZ> you'll cut your supporters in half, but they will be 3x more fervent
19:07 < aestetix> But I mean
19:07 < aestetix> the fact that she admitted she dated weev
19:07 < RangerZ> so what about Linux ?
19:07 < aestetix> lends a lot of credibility to the story
19:08 < RangerZ> yeah, i get your point
19:08 < RangerZ> i never said they 'always lie' but you gotta be careful with their stories
19:08 < aestetix> Apparently she was leading a group of fauxminists to try to get Linus deposed as head maintainer of the Linux kernel
19:08 < RangerZ> for what?
19:08 <@Dagmar> Insanity.
19:08 < RangerZ> he fucking _invtented_ the fucking kernel
19:08 < aestetix> For being a dick, apparently.
19:08 < aestetix> Right.
19:08 < RangerZ> ofcourse he's a dick
19:08 < RangerZ> he's _linus torvolds_
19:08 < RangerZ> lol
19:08 < aestetix> so basically what happened
19:08 <@Dagmar> No, TdR is a dick.
19:09 <@Dagmar> Linus is pretty reasonable
19:09 < aestetix> She was attacking Linus, which made weev think he needed to do something about her
19:09 < RangerZ> Dagmar: my friend met him at big embedded conf and had lunch with him, he said he was pretty reasonable too
19:09 < RangerZ> aestetix: ahh
19:09 < aestetix> So weev contacted the reporter, who reached out to shanley to get her side, and that's when she doxxed him
19:09 < aestetix> And now this story comes out
19:09 <@Dagmar> WEll, I've only been watching the guy post for like fifteen years
19:09 < RangerZ> weev or the reporter?
19:09 < aestetix> the reporter
19:09 < RangerZ> fuck her then
19:10 < aestetix> well she didn't dox him
19:10 < aestetix> she publicly posted on twitter a private email from him that included his phone number
19:10 <@Dagmar> You can't really dox Linus
19:10 <@Dagmar> Hell, *I* know where he lives
19:10 < RangerZ> this is why I've called the local police to tell them I might be swatted
19:10 < RangerZ> b/c of live streams on Coursera
19:10 < RangerZ> I need to do that -here- actually
19:11 < aestetix> but yeah, now half the internet thinks Shanley is a white supremicist racist
19:11 < RangerZ> I did it back home when I was doing one
19:11 < RangerZ> I don't even know what -part- of NPD to call... :/
19:11 <@Dagmar> OOO!
19:11 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: QUESTION!
19:11 < RangerZ> ?
19:12 <@Dagmar> Does Android do anything more than just change some pointers around when you call setImageResource on a remote view?
19:12 < aestetix> but yeah IMHO it doesn't matter if weev dumped shanley or the other way around
19:12 < aestetix> she did date him
19:12 <@Dagmar> Cuz I see there's a function for explicitly updating the view that comes after, and I was wondering when it does the actual work
19:13 <@Dagmar> Now that I've got those timers working, I'm eliminating wasted CPU
19:13 < RangerZ> Dagmar: 'on update' is usually when 'work' is done
19:13 < RangerZ> thats a 'general rule'
19:13 <@Dagmar> Well, yeah but within that...
19:13 < RangerZ> but I'd have to look
19:13 < RangerZ> let me look
19:13 < RangerZ> what do you mean 'remote view' ?
19:13 <@Dagmar> When you update an image in an imageview widget, there's two times it _could_ be doing the processing
19:14 < RangerZ> just want to make sure I'm looking at right code
19:15 < RangerZ> which methods are you curious about?
19:15 < RangerZ> it'll cut down my search space
19:15 < RangerZ> lol
19:15 < RangerZ> setImageURI(Uri uri) ?
19:15 < RangerZ> or setImageResource(int resId)
19:15 <@Dagmar> http://pastebin.com/5P5sdL6p let's say, line 99
19:16 < PigBot`> Title: [Java] context - Pastebin.com (at pastebin.com)
19:16 <@Dagmar> Now, down at the end you have to invoke appWidgetManager.updateAppWidget(appWidgetId, views); apparently
19:17 <@Dagmar> ...but basically, I'm going to start caching the values of the digits and just not calling the setImageResource on ones that haven't changed since the last redraw
19:18 <@Dagmar> I came up with a workable way to represnt parts of the septicycle in blocks, so I'm about to double the amount of images involved, so now seems like a good time to cull anything wasting power, like whatever is managing the views not being intelligent
19:18 < RangerZ> few min, let me look at impl. code
19:18 <@Dagmar> ...becuase you *can* just update the data structures that define the view, and not do any rendering until updateAppWidget
19:18 <@Dagmar> ...or rather they could be doing that.
19:19 <@Dagmar> In theory updateAppWidget could also be smart enough to see that parts of the view haven't changed from their previous values
19:20 <@Dagmar> ...but that kind of might be a dangerous assumption
19:20 < RangerZ> Dagmar: caching which 'actually' changed is a very good idea, b/c set...(...) invalidates the view on the 'view tree'
19:20 <@Dagmar> What was fucking me up for awhile was entirely because of my suck at java... trying to get the update reciever into it's own package was pointlessly dumb of me
19:21 < RangerZ> which means it has to be 're-processed' by the display manager's view-tree parser
19:21 < RangerZ> which will just save you battery
19:21 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: OKay, so I definitely need to stop touching that function
19:21 < aestetix> oh wow
19:21 < aestetix> http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-35668.pdf
19:21 < aestetix> Apparently snowden's archive contained malware
19:21 < RangerZ> its not 'heavy' b/c its party of the display tech, BUT , it would add up
19:22 <@Dagmar> For a bit there, Gnome's GTK stuff was making decisions like that
19:22 < RangerZ> and the 'actual' update would probably happen when you call appWidgetManger.updateAppWidget
19:23 < RangerZ> but telling it 'every' resource has 'potentially' changed, is not ideal
19:23 <@Dagmar> I figure that's when it copies it to the scren
19:23 <@Dagmar> ...but for all I know it could be redrawing the entire thing internally each time I setImageResource
19:24 <@Dagmar> I was just wondering *how* badly it might misbehave
19:24 <@Dagmar> I'm about to add a third widget with a lot more blinky going on
19:24 <@Dagmar> ...which will probably deprecate the other two immediately.
19:24 < RangerZ> think of it the HTML DOM (exactly same principle, the 'view tree' is the DOM), each part of the tree has a bit that says "i'm changed", the 'update...()' method goes through and checks all the views that 'could be' changed, etc
19:26 < RangerZ> widgets work a 'bit' differently than regular apps
19:26 < RangerZ> which is why I wasn't sure what you were talking about at first
19:26 <@Dagmar> Yeah I'm noticing
19:26 <@Dagmar> ...about the widgets
19:28 < RangerZ> which makes sense
19:28 < RangerZ> hell dagmar
19:28 < RangerZ> you should be taking the coursera course on this shit offered right now
19:28 < RangerZ> lol
19:29 < RangerZ> thats all he teaches is UI/UX
19:29 <@Dagmar> There'll be time for that later
19:29 <@Dagmar> I have a slightly different approach to learning
19:29 <@Dagmar> I beat on things until they work
19:29 <@Dagmar> :)
19:29 < RangerZ> I just meant as a resource to find out about a specific item, not 'take the course'
19:29 <@Dagmar> When there's something I need to know, I go learn it.
19:30 <@Dagmar> I tend to *just* bang on code when I'm banging on code, until it's done
19:30 <@Dagmar> If I have nothing to code, _then_ I go watch lectures and so forth
19:31 <@Dagmar> It's a lot easier for me to learn environments and languages when I'm looking at them from the inside than taking a class, anyway
19:32 <@Dagmar> Classes are mainly helpful to people who have no idea what one can do with code
19:33 < RangerZ> I find 'concepts' and 'paradigm shifts' are useful
19:33 < RangerZ> so your first 'functional programming language'
19:33 < RangerZ> etc
19:33 < RangerZ> but anyways, off to dinner
19:34 <@Dagmar> https://github.com/alex/what-happens-when <-- this whole thing is literally what I see in my head when I'm setting up anything that goes over HTTP
19:34 < PigBot`> Title: alex/what-happens-when · GitHub (at github.com)
19:35 <@Dagmar> Not one class was taken to learn any of it.   Heh
19:35 <@Dagmar> I read the fuck out of docs
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19:43 <@Evilpig> oh btw that black hat movie.  HOLY BALLS BAD!
19:43 <@Evilpig> like absurdly bad, not just the tech stuff either
19:44 <@Evilpig> the cake was won about 15 minutes in when they were at the NYSE trying to figure out how a piece of malware got into their system and they guy pulls out a usb fingerprint key and then opens up autorun.inf in vi and shows a decoded packet dump
19:45 <@Evilpig> they repeatedly show PLCs and linux terminals while showing fractions of windows exploits.
19:45 < aestetix> Evilpig: really
19:46 < aestetix> so I shouldn't go see it?
19:51 < aestetix> oh wow
19:51 < aestetix> http://www.spiegel.de/media/media-35663.pdf
19:51 < aestetix> There's backdoor in OpenSSH apparently that embeds a public key into the binary
20:02 < _NSAKEY> That explains the SSH backdoors hinted at during 31c3...
20:02 < aestetix> yep
20:03 < aestetix> I think they did say they were going to release more info in a few weeks.
20:03 < aestetix> How the hell does the NSA fit a backdoor like that into something that's open source?
20:03 < aestetix> Surely someone would have compiled it from source and then compared via bindiff to the public binary
20:03 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Probably very carefully, and with some very clever obfuscation.
20:04 < _NSAKEY> It's probably safe to say that given some of the show stopper bugs we saw last year, that openssh fell the same way.
20:05 < _NSAKEY> Correct me if I'm wrong, but page 2 says that OpenSSH Portable is what got backdoored.
20:05 < _NSAKEY> .. Which probably means that everyone not running OpenBSD is screwed.
20:06 < aestetix> Right.
20:06 < aestetix> I just messaged Leif (one of the authors of the article)
20:06 < aestetix> http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/new-snowden-docs-indicate-scope-of-nsa-preparations-for-cyber-battle-a-1013409.html
20:06 < PigBot`> Title: New Snowden Docs Indicate Scope of NSA Preparations for Cyber Battle - SPIEGEL ONLINE (at www.spiegel.de)
20:06 < aestetix> asking about that
20:06 < _NSAKEY> http://www.openssh.com/portable.html
20:06 < PigBot`> Title: OpenSSH Portable Release for Linux/Solaris/etc (at www.openssh.com)
20:06 < _NSAKEY> No mentions of *BSDs there.
20:07 < aestetix> I'm very tempted to reverse it to see if I can find the key.
20:09 < _NSAKEY> Well, the report was done in June 2012.
20:09 < _NSAKEY> focusing on commits done in the portable code in the months before that would probably be your best starting place.
20:10 < aestetix> brew info openssh
20:10 < aestetix> openssh: stable 6.6p1
20:10 < aestetix> http://www.openssh.com/
20:10 < aestetix> /usr/local/Cellar/openssh/6.6p1_1 (30 files, 3.9M)
20:10 < PigBot`> Title: OpenSSH (at www.openssh.com)
20:10 < aestetix> that does not bode well
20:11 < _NSAKEY> Some of these codenames are great.
20:12 < _NSAKEY> PITIEDFOOL.
20:12 < _NSAKEY> FUZZYEBOLA.
20:12 < _NSAKEY> Glad to know that whoever was in charge of coming up with the NSA codenames got fired and replaced.
20:13 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: There's a very good chance that the main codebase didn't get doored.
20:13 < _NSAKEY> Think about it. They could pop the box via some other means, then swap out the ssh bin with their version.
20:14  * aestetix nods
20:15 < _NSAKEY> How many people really check all their binaries for differences?
20:15 < aestetix> nobody
20:16 < _NSAKEY> Even if someone did, it's probably safe to say that any box with that backdoored ssh binary is also kitted.
20:16 < _NSAKEY> So, they wouldn't know the difference.
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20:17 < _NSAKEY> In terms of maintaining access, it's really smart. Totally evil and reprehensible, but probably the smartest way to go for what they're doing.
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20:42 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqHyU-PJMhI
20:42 < aestetix> wow
20:42 < PigBot`> Title: Hillary Clinton interview 2014: Edward Snowden, ISIS, drone strikes & womens rights - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
20:42 < aestetix> this is how reporting should be done
20:48 <@shapr> VAINA
21:00 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: https://twitter.com/stribika/status/556547129343488001
21:00 < PigBot`> Title: stribikⓐ on Twitter: "#NSA PANT SPARTY patched OpenSSH versions use an Authctxt struct with an extra flag (defined in auth.h). Shouldnt be too hard to check." (at twitter.com)
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21:19 <@Shadow404> RangerZ1: 1and1.com has been great for the last 3+ yrs
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21:24 < aestetix> ok so anyone here good with music?
21:24 < aestetix> I'm trying to remember a song and I know three facts about it
21:25 < aestetix> a black guy sings it, it has drums, he sings the words "making music", and I heard it on the radio in 2005
21:25 < aestetix> ok four facts
21:25 < aestetix> it was kind of a tribal sounding song
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21:55 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnTWv-TCUPs
21:55 < PigBot`> Title: Extreme Redbull and Milk Challenge - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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22:12 < aestetix> haha
22:12 < aestetix> this is in the c ode for that malware
22:12 < aestetix> <shortDescription>A short description goes here - Something about what this plugin does - I think...</shortDescription>
22:17 <@Evilpig> aestetix: in what?
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22:28 < aestetix> that's the NSA thing I linked earlier
22:31 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: curious, do you work with reversing at all?
22:32 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: No.
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23:18 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jssc6kECBiU gods... this study doesn't appear to have any major issues... BUT even if its only the 13.5% who said they would _RAPE_ a women _if_ they could get away with it... is fucking high #
23:18 < PigBot`> Title: One In Three Men Would Rape If They Could Get Away With It - YouTube (at www.youtube.com)
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23:20 < RangerZ1> but the shittiest part... is the comments saying "TYT is men haters", "watch out for the feminists", "This is absolutely disgusting , this is anti male propaganda in a last ditch effort from the Feminists."
23:20 < RangerZ1> wtf... what happened to my poor little internet
23:20 < RangerZ1> I turn my back on it for a few years to get some degrees... and I don't know what its turned into
23:23 < aestetix> HAHAHAH
23:23 < aestetix> Why does Obama give speeches behind bullet proof glass?
23:23 < aestetix> To protect him from the police.
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23:25 < RangerZ1> :/
23:35 <@Dagmar> hehe
23:46 < aestetix> RangerZ1: you know it's funny
23:46 < aestetix> well more scary
23:50 < RangerZ1> aestetix: the youtube comments on that video?
23:50 < RangerZ1> yes, thats scary
23:50 < aestetix> on what video
23:50 < aestetix> lemme look
23:50 < RangerZ1> the obama thing, yes funny
23:50 < RangerZ1> (b/c its sadly truer
23:51 < aestetix> I wouldn't rape that chick
23:51 < aestetix> But I would fuck her
23:52 < RangerZ1> ana?
23:52 < RangerZ1> ohh yell ya
23:52 < RangerZ1> but they have better on that network
23:52 < RangerZ1> Kim in particular... she's a hot (really) nerd, geek, etc
23:53 < aestetix> wait a second
23:54 < aestetix> what's their sample size?
23:54 < aestetix> like 67?
23:54 < aestetix> I'm wondering how you get 13.7% from that
23:54 < RangerZ1> 73
23:54 < RangerZ1> supposedly
23:54 < RangerZ1> the fucking page won't load properly for me
23:54 < RangerZ1> their 'survey' thing won't go the fuck away
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23:55 < RangerZ1> I'm not going to claim the #s are wrong
23:55 < RangerZ1> but its just more of the youtube reaction
23:55 < RangerZ1> thats pathetic
23:55 < RangerZ1> I 'feel' like a good chunk of it is just trolls
23:55 < RangerZ1> but the other... I feel the stupid dripping off their comments
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