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00:16 <@Dagmar> Mystery solved
00:16 <@Dagmar> I've had an issue for awhile now with it sounding like some of my mp3s were encoded with a few seconds clipped off the end
00:16 <@Dagmar> It's been driving me mad because I am ridiculously detail-attentive about getting them ripped correctly.
00:17 <@Dagmar> *Apparently* there's an issue with the method Android and Google use to detect track length when the file is VBR.
00:17 <@Dagmar> The music player app goes by the _incorrect_ length when playing back the file
00:18 <@Dagmar> ...so it's been just skipping to the next track "on time", which happens to be early.
00:18 <@Dagmar> I got interested enough to go looking after uploading Metallic Spheres
00:18 <@Dagmar> It's two loooong tracks.
00:19 <@Dagmar> There'e a "3D60" enhanced version with those same two tracks, and two other slightly different edits with different lengths
00:19 <@Dagmar> Going into Google Music to make sure it uploaded correctly, I saw two entirely different from everything track lengths showing up
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01:16 < RangerZ> hmm... so AMD is coming out with new SOC
01:16 < RangerZ> I'm curious to see what their power TDP is
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02:56 <@Dagmar> lol http://www.jrn.com/newschannel5/news/Mysterious-ATM-Shows-Up-In-Corn-Field-288203401.html
03:00 <@Dagmar> RangerZ, Evilpig: http://www.att.com/maps/wifi.html <-- muuuch better list of streetpass locations
03:44 <@Dagmar> Jesus 378/1097 pieces
04:51 < aestetix> Silly question: is it worth it to read all of Plato's dialogues?
04:51 < aestetix> Or just the famous ones.
05:01 <@Dagmar> Read the famous ones and decide for yourself.
05:01 < aestetix> That's what I've been doing.
05:01 <@Dagmar> Man... Some dude got all bent out of shape when I updated the capitalization of the track tiles for Syro on Discogs.
05:01 < aestetix> In between my conversations with Bahhumbug ;)
05:02 <@Dagmar> Rough luck for him that Discogs actually has a specific rule for that
05:02 <@Dagmar> Dude wanted to cite "...I care because you do"'s titles, but those are meant to be language words, although nonsense words.
05:03 <@Dagmar> These ain't words http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Syro#Track_listing
06:12 < RangerZ1> http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/12/7530573/obama-legislation-consumer-student-data good
06:12 < RangerZ1> TPP bad
06:13 < RangerZ1> "fast track approval" is now going to be an issue
06:13 < RangerZ1> hopefully we can get enough republicans (and more importantly democrats) to vote against it, to stop this travesty of a trade deal
06:14 <@Dagmar> http://yls8.mtheall.com/ninupdates/3ds_nzonehotspots.php?version=v15360
06:14 <@Dagmar> Handy!
06:16 < RangerZ1> http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/12/nyregion/new-york-police-officers-are-quick-to-resort-to-chokeholds-inspector-general-finds.html
06:16 < RangerZ1> ....you don't say...
06:16 < RangerZ1> nice find Dagmar
06:19 <@Dagmar> Parsed straight out of the latest firmware, too
06:20 <@Dagmar> Goddamn GameFreka.
06:20 <@Dagmar> Now there's Pokemon you have to *sneak up on*
06:23 <@Dagmar> I supose the trade-off is that they've also given us an in-game way to see if we've gotten all the POkemon in a given area
06:24 < RangerZ1> lol, nice
06:25 < RangerZ1> yeah, I honestly don't think I'll buy another pokemon game, there are just so much to the game now, that its like 'wtf'
06:26 < RangerZ1> and they don't really 'explain' anything b/c its like "you should just know this 'common sense' stuff"
06:26 < RangerZ1> lol
06:27 < RangerZ1> #LivingIn2015problems I went to watch a movie, and I have it on DVD, and then I realized I don't have anything in the living room that can watch DVDs, and my desktop doesn't even have an optical drive anymore...
06:27 <@Dagmar> hehe
06:27 <@Dagmar> Nadia has all these DVDs which are not widescreen versions.
06:27 < RangerZ1> eww
06:27 <@Dagmar> We watched a couple of movies at her place and I was like "it's edited to fit what now?"
06:28 <@Dagmar> "Oh it's 4 by 3?  How quaint"
06:28 < RangerZ1> the problem is the fucking 'panning' they do, it makes them look so fucking jaring
06:28 <@Dagmar> I have seriously not seen that warning in years
06:28 < RangerZ1> yeah, neither have I
06:31 <@Dagmar> The early purchaser bonus is a _ahiny_ pokemon with it's own megastone, and it has "Hold Back" the typical "don't kill that I want to catch it" ability
06:36 <@Dagmar> Heh.  No one needs to hold the exp share item anymore either
06:40 < RangerZ1> I dunno, I was listening to IGN's nintendo podcast on youtube (perhaps I should get a good podcast android client/linux client... etc...
06:40 < RangerZ1> but... anyways... i was listening to them talk about pokemon X and explain it to someone who played red
06:41 < RangerZ1> and I only played Blue and X
06:41 < RangerZ1> and I was like... ok... its not just me...
06:46 <@Dagmar> Well, most of the stuff that's not explicitly explained by some wandering NPC is stuff that can be ignored
06:57 <@Dagmar> So far no Phil the Picture Guy
07:29 <@Dagmar> RangerZ1: Did you ever use _headphones_ when you played?
07:57 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: at 1097 you're missing puzzles still.  i'm currently at 1371/1382
08:07 <@Evilpig> cheerleader tamsin, yum
08:09 <@Evilpig> http://whatamidoingwitmylife.tumblr.com/post/107866715323
08:18 <@Evilpig> http://instagram.com/p/xtFSj3LR3t/
08:18 <@Evilpig> wow...
08:26 <@Evilpig> all the cute you'll ever need in one place.  http://fuckyeahbabyanimals.com/
08:37 <@Dagmar> I don't get hte instagram one
08:37 <@Dagmar> Oh wait
08:38 <@Dagmar> I actually try to use Tinder so I don't find crazy women to be surpring anymore
08:39 <@Evilpig> the instagram one made me lol
08:57 <@Dagmar> I think my favorite Tinder meme was the "murdererbob" pic
08:57 <@Dagmar> OkCupid surveyed their users to find what their worst worry was, and for women it was that they would meet a murderer/rapist
08:58 <@Dagmar> ...for men, it was they were afraid they'd meet a fat chick.
08:58 <@Dagmar> I suspect this was an on-boarding survey, because there's no need to be afraid
08:58 <@Dagmar> You WILL see fat chicks
08:58 <@Dagmar> Just get comfy with the idea that it's going to happen.
08:59 <@Dagmar> Now I basically "play" Tinder like a 5-minute web game
08:59 <@Dagmar> Launch.  Swipe left and right madly for a few seconds, done.
09:00 <@Dagmar> Possibly the most disturbing thing is that the app clearly indicates these women are "nearby" somehow
09:02 <@Evilpig> I thought it was supposed to be gps based
09:02 <@Evilpig> ?
09:02 <@Dagmar> Yes.
09:02 <@Dagmar> It tells you "8 miles away" and so forth
09:02 <@Dagmar> As to the "recent photo" thing... lol
09:03 <@Dagmar> I should seriously take a selfie with a newspaper in front of me and see what happens
09:03 <@Evilpig> you'll get mocked for reading a newspaper
09:03 <@Evilpig> i'll mock you for using a real newspaper
09:03 <@Dagmar> Yeah but it's the "classic" way of validating the recentness of a photo
09:05 <@Evilpig> alright where hte fuck is my coworker...
09:05 <@Evilpig> she was supposed to be starting m-f today
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11:30 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
11:36  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
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13:03 < aestetix> well fuck
13:03 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/CENTCOM
13:09 <@Evilpig> their twitter account has been cracked?
13:12 <@Evilpig> and that account has now been suspended
13:12 < aestetix> dude
13:12 < aestetix> several high ranking members of the military... their personal phone numbers and addresses were posted
13:12 <@Evilpig> lol
13:12 < aestetix> that's not going to end well
13:12 <@Evilpig> sucks for them
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13:45 < RangerZ> anyone have keybase?
13:45 < RangerZ> i got an alpha invite, and honestly haven't kept up with it
13:45 < RangerZ> keybase.io
13:48 < aestetix> I do, but I don't use it
13:48 < aestetix> s/dont'/wont/
13:49 < aestetix> they practice unsafe security
13:49 < RangerZ> ?
13:49 < RangerZ> its a public key repo
13:49 < RangerZ> who cares?
13:49 < RangerZ> is this the one who 'by default' allows you to create a key on their server?
13:49 < aestetix> yes
13:49 < RangerZ> and store the private key
13:49 < RangerZ> ohh
13:50 < RangerZ> I still say thats not a problem
13:50 < aestetix> I said I won't use it. I didn't say you can't :p
13:50 < RangerZ> 1) don't use that feature 2) it 'does' make some sense
13:50 < RangerZ> but... it shouldn't be 'default'
13:50 < aestetix> uhhhh what's the point of using encryption if a 3rd party has your key
13:51 < RangerZ> whats the "point" in LastPass then?
13:51 < RangerZ> easy... "improved security" for _most_ people
13:52 < RangerZ> OnePass is better for _us_ since it isn't online
13:52 < aestetix> lastpass never has full access to your stuff,
13:52 < RangerZ> but lastPass being online has features thare are really nice too, being able to 'share' a folder of passwords easly
13:52 < aestetix> which is why if you forget your lastpass master password you're fucked
13:52 < RangerZ> nope
13:52 < RangerZ> you can reset password now
13:53 < aestetix> what?
13:53 < aestetix> the master password?
13:53 < RangerZ> "your password"
13:53 < RangerZ> yep
13:53 < aestetix> then how the hell do they secure things
13:53 < RangerZ> easy
13:54 < aestetix> the whole point of your master password was to encrypt your stuff so they couldn't access it
13:54 < RangerZ> its secure via block cypher
13:54 < aestetix> what?
13:54 < RangerZ> but... they can re-encrypt your data if you lose your password
13:54 < RangerZ> lol
13:55 < RangerZ> (ignore the implications of that)
13:55 < RangerZ> lol
13:55 < aestetix> uhhhh
13:55 < aestetix> so your passwords can be subpoenaed?
13:56 < RangerZ> of course
13:56 < RangerZ> it would be illegal to make a system where it couldn't
13:56 < aestetix> when did they make that change?
13:56 < RangerZ> been a long time
13:56 < aestetix> because their old model was you forget your password you're screwed
13:56 < RangerZ> I made this _exact_ arguement when keybase was last in the news
13:57 < RangerZ> in that it helps MOST people
13:57 < RangerZ> b/c MOST people use the same password for everything, etc
13:57 <@oddball> RangerZ: I believe that there's current some serious contention about that.
13:58  * RangerZ shrugs
13:58 <@oddball> Since Apple has stated that they can't decrypt iPhones now.
13:58 < RangerZ> thats not true
13:58 < RangerZ> I don't believe it
13:58 < aestetix> so basically, USG can issue a gag order NSL onto lastpass, collect all the passwords, and no more privacy?
13:58 < RangerZ> b/c it has police backdoors
13:59 <@oddball> RangerZ: They're claiming that the new OS doesn't.
13:59 <@oddball> and the cops are pissed
14:00 < _NSAKEY> Device encryption hardly matters ifeverything is backed up remotely and is a warrant away from being in police hands.
14:00 < RangerZ> oddball: NSL can _force_ apple to say that
14:00 < RangerZ> even if it isn't true
14:00 < RangerZ> sure... State police won't have access
14:00 < RangerZ> but Feds will probably
14:01 < RangerZ> and Apple would WANT to say that either way, b/c of PR
14:01 < RangerZ> its TOO easy to slide that logic into the SOC and just keep it there
14:02 < RangerZ> I'm a firm believer that unless you make your own FPGAs into whatever you want... that it has a backdoor
14:02 < RangerZ> lol
14:03 < RangerZ> one of my research interests was to 'figure out how to tell if a chip has been altered' and basically... you can't
14:03 < RangerZ> same sorta problem as the "halting problem"
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14:06 < aestetix> somewhat related question
14:06 < aestetix> is there any way to basically dd an ipad?
14:06 < RangerZ> Keybase.io is also a Keybase client, however certain crypto actions (signing and decrypting) are limited to users who store client-encrypted copies of their private keys on the server, an optional feature we didn't mention above.
14:06 < RangerZ> On the website, all crypto is performed in JavaScript, in your browser. Some people have strong feelings about this, for good reason.
14:06 < RangerZ> hmm
14:07 < RangerZ> so JS based crypto isn't 'terrible'
14:07 < RangerZ> aestetix: used to be
14:07 < RangerZ> it was a _firewire_ based connection
14:07 < RangerZ> so full DMA
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14:08 < RangerZ> thunderbolt allows you the keys to the house too
14:09 < RangerZ> thunderbolt/firewire/ etc with DMA make a system insecurable
14:09 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/puffnfresh/status/554707755777277953
14:09 < RangerZ> I blame Evilpig
14:11 <@Evilpig> I would do such a thing
14:12 < RangerZ> especially if that a-hole you 'love' told you to do it
14:12 < RangerZ> and you have 'cover'
14:12 < RangerZ> "he told me to do it"
14:16 < aestetix> who is the asshole he loves
14:16 <@Evilpig> the fuckbag in neteng
14:17 < aestetix> do you have a new houseplant?
14:18 <@Evilpig> nah. just some really indecisive coworkers that make life harder than it should be
14:19 < RangerZ> wanted him to ..what... move half the data center in one shift, b/c it would only take 4 hours..?
14:19 < RangerZ> or something stupid like that, like 52 hour cabling, if he made one cable a minute, etc
14:20 <@Evilpig> wanted us to move 3x 500lb+ devices in a single shift and they all had to be mounted 1U above the floor and it was too low for the server lift...
14:20 <@Evilpig> the cabling.. we won't even discuss that nonsense
14:21 < aestetix> don't trip
14:21 < aestetix> Evilpig: you could just have tumblr use aws. That would make things easier.
14:22 <@Evilpig> we use some, not sure that is public knowledge but we do
14:22 < aestetix> lol
14:22 < aestetix> what do you store there? the cat photos or the porn?
14:24 <@Evilpig> aestetix: http://engineering.tumblr.com/
14:25 < aestetix> that's on aws?
14:26 <@Evilpig> if they have it talked about publicly it will be in there somewhere
14:26 <@Evilpig> that's where the put the shit they want to talk about
14:26 <@Evilpig> and apparently interns too
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15:10 < RangerZ> aestetix: My bet is that most big sites have AWS setup as and running some just for nothing other than overflow and backup alt.
15:11 < RangerZ> some of the research going on in the DOC group is actually about how to make transitioning between data centers instant and seamless
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15:48 < aestetix> HAHAHAHAH
15:48 < aestetix> https://www.pinterest.com/source/barracks.marines.mil/
15:48 < aestetix> thats right. The US military has a Pinterest account
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16:15 < RangerZ> of course, they _invented_ the internet
16:15 < RangerZ> and have a full 1/256-th of all IPs
16:15 < RangerZ> any 36.*.*.*
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16:55 <@Evilpig> test 1,2,3
16:57 < aestetix> fail
16:57 <@Dickie> SHUT THE HELL UP
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16:59 <@NotLarry> Dickie: Your capslock is on.
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17:01 <@Evilpig> you're almost useless to me dickie
17:01 <@Evilpig> slack on the other hand is being completely useless right now
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17:02 <@Dickie> At least I'm pretty.
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17:18 <@NotLarry> Dickie: Your autocorrect is broke again.
17:18 <@NotLarry> Ok, I'm gonna strap on some leather and
17:18 <@NotLarry> drive home in the rain.
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17:30 < RangerZ> NotLarry: good luck, hopefully it doesn't hail like Dagmar loves to drive home in ;)
17:38 < aestetix> yay I have internet again
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17:56 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: +1
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20:01 <@Evilpig> I should order a little dinner
20:19 < RangerZ> s/little/pork, bacon, and\/or ham/
20:22 < aestetix> ok so
20:22 < aestetix> do you guys think it is possible for someone to be the CEO and the head of the engineering team at the same time?
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20:30 < RangerZ> aestetix: sure, why not
20:30 <@opticron> aestetix, I think that depends on the company
20:31 < RangerZ> yeah, and their management style
20:31 < RangerZ> and you said "possible"
20:31 < RangerZ> not "easy" or "usual"
20:31 < aestetix> like the size of the company?
20:32 <@Evilpig> with a smaller company I think that is entirely plausible
20:32 < aestetix> IMHO, the CEO has one responsibility: keep money coming in
20:32 < RangerZ> I'd say its probably easiest with small or really large companies
20:32 < aestetix> what is small to you?
20:32 <@opticron> I agree with Evilpig
20:32 < RangerZ> like Jobs
20:32 < RangerZ> small is technically under 50 employees
20:32 < RangerZ> large is over 5k
20:33 < RangerZ> but 'small' in this case, probably around the same
20:34 < RangerZ> but it really depends more on their leadership style and the 'company' itself
20:34 < aestetix> So if a company is like 40-50 employees it's not really possible?
20:34 < RangerZ> aestetix: its quite common for PhDs to do just that
20:34 < RangerZ> I know of 4~5 companies from ISIS alone that do that
20:35 < aestetix> lol
20:35 < aestetix> does it help them plan the next attack? :p
20:35 < RangerZ> and they have roughly... 20~40 employees each
20:35 < RangerZ> that I'm aware of
20:36 < aestetix> I guess the question is.... IMHO those roles are both full time, meaning that if someone tries to do both, they wind up doing both half-assed
20:36 < RangerZ> not really
20:36 < aestetix> you don't think CEO is a full time job?
20:36 < RangerZ> no, actually
20:36 < RangerZ> not a good one
20:37 < aestetix> what do you think a CEO does?
20:37 < RangerZ> but I come at it from a non-MBA persepctive
20:37 < aestetix> I would say that CEO is more than a full time job
20:37 < RangerZ> township and country executives are generally part time jobs
20:37 < RangerZ> legislatures in most states are 'part time'
20:38 < aestetix> That's different from a tech CEO
20:38 < RangerZ> yeah, but you shouldn't have your CEO killing themselves either
20:38 < aestetix> you've been to the bay area right? :p
20:38 < RangerZ> SHOULDN'T
20:38 < RangerZ> lol
20:39 < RangerZ> your business should be able to survive the 'bus'
20:39 < aestetix> the bus?
20:39 < RangerZ> "what happens if someone gets hit by a bus when crossing the road tomorrow"
20:40 < aestetix> oh
20:40 < RangerZ> and if you want to build a 'good' company, even the CEO should be replacable (even if you are the CEO)
20:40 < RangerZ> b/c if build a system (be it a company or anything else) that colapses when you aren't around... you'll never get a break
20:41 < RangerZ> perhaps this is anti-SillyValley theory
20:42 < RangerZ> but if you build a company like that, then 1) you lessen your own burden 2) you build a stronger company 3) you have happier employees who don't feel over stressed 4) you allow people *yourself included* to take vacations
20:43 < aestetix> RangerZ: you apparently haven't worked in America lately.
20:43 < RangerZ> Ohh I have, I just think that this is the ideal you should work towards
20:43 < aestetix> That involves long term planning.
20:43 < RangerZ> and yes, I realize it would be hard to get TO that
20:43 < RangerZ> yep
20:44 < RangerZ> PM
20:45 <@Dagmar> You are mistaken.
20:45 <@Dagmar> Management invariably feels themselves to be invaluable and indispensible at all times, therefore they do not need to consider what happens if they are removed from the equation.
20:46 <@Dagmar> No measures to make them replaceable will ever originate from management.
21:02 < RangerZ> Dagmar: I was talking more as a person who is setting up their own company, to be lasting, and NOT something SV sets up, lol
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21:06 < RangerZ> also... I enjoy watching Rachel Maddow talk about Anonymous, b/c she actually tries to explain that its not a 'single group'
21:06 < RangerZ> compared to Fox, etc..
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21:14 <@SuMo_D> ello room
21:16 < aestetix> vagina
21:16 <@Evilpig> SuMo_D: I have a cookie
21:17 < RangerZ> aestetix: be a human being at least some times
21:17 < RangerZ> jesus
21:17 < RangerZ> lol
21:17 <@SuMo_D> vagina aaaaaaaand cookies
21:17 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: Hello
21:17 <@Evilpig> oh and my sister is pissed off.  her water broke this morning, she'd had an epidural, she was 3cm around 4 hours ago and nothing is moving...
21:17  * RangerZ tips hat in gentlemanly manner
21:17 <@SuMo_D> so... weird science is going through a revival?
21:17 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: weird science the movie & tv show?
21:17 <@Evilpig> weird science the movie?  it ever went away?
21:18 <@Evilpig> I just watched the movie last month it seems like
21:18 <@SuMo_D> awww sucks for her evilpig but congrats on almost being an uncle to another spawn
21:18 < RangerZ> Evilpig: just tell her my mom went throu 49 hours of labor
21:18 < RangerZ> she'll feel better that it isn't there yet
21:18 < RangerZ> lol
21:18 < RangerZ> or...scared of what could come
21:19 <@Evilpig> her kid has stubborn longwisch dna.  she's in for a long one
21:21 < RangerZ> SuMo_D: what did you mean 'weird science' ?
21:22 <@Dagmar> o.O
21:22 <@Dagmar> Kids.
21:23 <@SuMo_D> thought it was pretty obvious rangerz
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21:26 < aestetix> http://www.c-span.org/video/?323727-1/president-obama-remarks-internet-security-privacy
21:26 < aestetix> god obama looks tired
21:28 <@Dagmar> Jesus updating the raspberry pi is like the journey of 1,000 steps
21:29 < RangerZ> Dagmar: thats why I just used the one distro I could find that had a fully done image I could dd to the sd card I was using
21:30 <@Dagmar> Well, that's what I did, but now it's time to run an apt-get upgrade
21:30 <@Dagmar> It's been doing this for about 15 minutes now
21:31 <@SuMo_D> I think it took me over an an hour to install ruby on a pi once....
21:31 <@SuMo_D> just sayin
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21:31 <@SuMo_D> sorry... r &r both it was rails that took forever
21:35 < RangerZ> Dagmar: the CPU is really not that fast
21:36 < RangerZ> its only even able to come CLOSE to video playback at 720p b/c of the SOC having speical hardware h264 decoder
21:36 < RangerZ> plus a lot of memory issues, b/c of read/write speed issues
21:41 <@Dagmar> I'm not using it for that
21:43 < RangerZ> setting up the drone wifi point?
21:43 <@Dagmar> No.
21:43 <@Dagmar> Actually, wondering WTF it did with my directories
21:44 <@Dagmar> Well, shit.  I guess i'll start all this crap over again
21:51 < RangerZ> for something like the RaPi, would something like gentoo actually be worth the hassle?
21:51 < RangerZ> or maybe arch
21:51 < RangerZ> etc
21:54 < RangerZ> http://www.raspberrypi.org/downloads/
21:54 < RangerZ> looks like they've made it a lot cleaner
21:54 < RangerZ> OPENELEC is what I have on mine currently
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22:03 < RangerZ> oh god... France might start Patriot Act discussions tomorrow
22:03 < aestetix> le suck
22:10 <@oddball> I just love the articles I'm tripping across stating that wat happened in France is proof that there needs to be more gun control in the US.
22:14 < RangerZ> nah, just needs more Shielding tech
22:14 < RangerZ> make guns useless
22:14 < RangerZ> -_-
22:17 <@oddball> I'm trying to remember where, but there was a state that was recently talking about joining the ranks of states where owning bullet proof vests are illegal.
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22:20 < aestetix> man
22:20 < aestetix> Obama's free community college plan is brilliant
22:22 < RangerZ> why do you say that?
22:22 < RangerZ> politically?
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22:25 < RangerZ> i think the smartest part of it is including associate-level training in trades
22:25 < RangerZ> such as plumbing, carpentry, electric, HVAC, etc.
22:26 < RangerZ> b/c -that- is where the most training can really happen
22:27 < RangerZ> and lowering the cost of attendence for 4 year degrees
22:29 < RangerZ> but I think the -push- for this, is a doctor attempting to fix the symptom, but not the illness, in that income isn't raising for jobs that don't require bachelors/masters/etc
22:31 < RangerZ> this story makes me want to cry... but my prof was telling me that he worked the summers in the steel mills, and was able to afford his tuition/books/room/board/pizza/beer/etc all year long from working 3 months
22:31 <@Dagmar> That's okay.  The republicans are already spinning that this will increase demand for college and drive prices to skyrocket
22:32 <@Dagmar> ...which is just mind-boggling levels of bullshit
22:32 < RangerZ> I don't know if 'universal income' would actually help things because it doesn't account for people who don't already know how to handle the income properly (such as education, etc) or have mental issues/medical issues
22:32 < RangerZ> which will fall through the cracks in a system with 'universal income' and no other programs
22:34 <@Dagmar> One of these days I'll acutally remember I'm battling a trainer and stop wasting pokeballs when I see a pokemon I want
22:36 < RangerZ> lol
22:36 < aestetix> RangerZ: the thing it is really going to attack is the student debt
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22:37 < RangerZ> not if you believe GOP
22:37 < aestetix> What the hell does the GOP know about debt?
22:37 < RangerZ> b/c it will just raise the cost of college for the last 2 years of college
22:37 < RangerZ> aestetix: they add it to federal budget whenever they are in power
22:37 < RangerZ> they know ALL about it
22:37 < RangerZ> lol
22:37 < aestetix> Why would it?
22:38 < aestetix> One of the major contributing factors to tuition prices is Tea Party idiots defunding colleges
22:38 < RangerZ> shhh
22:38 < RangerZ> you have to accept trickle down economics
22:39 < RangerZ> lol
22:39 < aestetix> I wonder if the GOP would be ok with free tuition to bible school
22:40 < RangerZ> no
22:40 <@sdodson_> I assume public education is tax exempt in the same way churches are?
22:41 < RangerZ> because thats what charter schools ARE
22:41 < RangerZ> charter schools are public funding to religious schools basically, in a lot of places
22:41 < RangerZ> but not 'officially'
22:48 <@sdodson_> I donated time at a charter school. It was most definitely not religious.
22:49 <@sdodson_> Me and some other dude deployed a big debian install.
22:49 <@sdodson_> Back when you had to do whatever the hell it was that loaded windows wifi drivers in linux.
22:50 <@sdodson_> ndis or something?
22:50 < aestetix> ndiswrapper?
22:50 <@sdodson_> I try not to remember those dark days.
22:50 < aestetix> how did I remember that
22:51 <@sdodson_> Everything they had was old surplus equipment donated from the university.
22:52 < RangerZ> sdodson_: not all are, thats for sure, and i'm sure some actually want to do good
22:53 < RangerZ> but too many are christian based, and all charters combined, they don't do any better than public schools
22:53 < RangerZ> but they get to choose their students, so they don't choose those students who need the most help
22:53 < RangerZ> or disabled
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23:30 < aestetix> jesus fucking christ
23:30 < aestetix> I took a look at a batch of resumes for potential engineering hires
23:31 < aestetix> two of them actually put "super smash brothers" as skills. independently
23:31 <@Evilpig> I'm going crosseyed from staring at code.
23:31 <@Evilpig> hahah I wonder if I should add that to my resume
23:31 < aestetix> How the fuck does that even begin to be relevant for a programming job
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23:35 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Are you going to be the one interviewing these people?
23:36 < _NSAKEY> Maybe you could ask them that
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