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01:05 < RangerZ1> "While this court is cognizant and sensitive to concerns about terrorism, being located less than a mile from the 9/11 site, and having seen firsthand the effects of terrorist destruction, nonetheless, the hallmark of our great nation is that it is a democracy, with a transparent government," she wrote in her decision last month.
01:05 < RangerZ1> gotta love judge remarks like that
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01:38 <@Dagmar> Two different people responding to my Steam forum post saying all four woods have the same base value now
02:03 < RangerZ2> thats good, b/c honestly, I found birch to be ugly, lol
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02:45 <@Dagmar> Well... my options were go to the goth night, or to go a house music thing at 12th and Porter so I took a quick nap before getting ready and making a decision
02:45 <@Dagmar> Verdict: My bed is warm
03:39 < RangerZ1> http://blogs.msdn.com/b/vbteam/archive/2015/01/10/we-re-moving-to-github.aspx
03:40 < RangerZ1> thats amusing
03:40 < RangerZ1> also, Dagmar I made a similar decision today... I was going to do some running around/ go to the stores...etc...  nah
05:27 < RangerZ1> you're fucking kidding me
05:27 < RangerZ1> https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/13871
05:28 < RangerZ1> Rust "hello world" contains Lovecraft quotes
06:07 <@Dagmar> Aha!  You *can* tell them to remove the damaged limb
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09:46 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: how?
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17:29 <@Shadow404> nothing like pushing the hotel bed clear across the room during sex, finishing, then gwt a knock on the door for a noise complaint handed out by security
17:30 <@Shadow404> hehe
17:31 < aestetix> Shadow404: I thouught you couldn't cum
17:34 <@Shadow404> takes forever on zoloft but it is possible
17:34 < aestetix> does butt play help?
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17:39 <@Shadow404> not without lube, but we didnt pack any
17:42 < RangerZ> Shadow404: don't play along with his games
17:42 < RangerZ> unless he brought lube
17:42 < RangerZ> lol
17:43 <@Shadow404> heh
17:46 < RangerZ> and even then... charge him a lot
17:47 <@klixa> Shadow404 is the new corydon for aestetix
17:47 < RangerZ> nah, even worse
17:47 < RangerZ> he plays with aestetix on portal 2, etc
17:47 <@klixa> yeah, but at least when i imagine Shadow404 having sex i dont wanna vomit
17:48 < RangerZ> and will with half life 3 that our lord and savior GabeN has yet to clap his hands and impart upon us.
17:48 < RangerZ> Peace be his name
17:48 < RangerZ> -_- lol
17:48 < aestetix> klixa: when you thnk of me having sex you want to vomit?
17:48 < RangerZ> corydon
17:49 <@klixa> yeah ^^
17:49 <@klixa> aestetix: nah, you're hot... not vomiting required
17:49 < aestetix> ^_^
17:49 < aestetix> you don't think corydon is hot?
17:50 <@Bahhumbug> Apparently you do by the way you asked that.
17:50 <@Bahhumbug> Coming out soon?
17:50 <@klixa> aestetix: no i don't. but its more so about his in depth detailed description of anal sex.
17:50 < aestetix> klixa: you're not into anal?
17:51 <@klixa> no
17:52 <@Bahhumbug> You didn't answer my question.
17:52 < RangerZ> he's stated he's bisexual before IIRC
17:58 < RangerZ> which... lets not hate him because of that, but instead of his actual personality, lol
17:59 < aestetix> klixa: so I should not use the words corydon and snausages in the same sentence?
17:59 <@klixa> i guess...i dunno
18:00  * klixa is distracted by stupid computer issues atm
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18:18 <@Evilpig> don't lie.  you're distracted by your attraction to me
18:18 <@Evilpig> it's understandable
18:19 <@Bahhumbug> Evilpig: You watch Covert Affairs?
18:24 <@klixa> Evilpig: i didn't want them to get jelly
18:24 <@Evilpig> negative
18:25 <@klixa> anyway tho, wtf.. i have 2 identical iphones both synced to my macbook itunes.... when i hook both up to a windows pc one charges and lets me browsw  file system and one wont and i cant figure out why
18:26 <@klixa> i restored the phone...no change
18:26 <@Evilpig> you sure they're on the same version of ios?
18:26 <@klixa> yes
18:26 <@klixa> same model, same version, same everything
18:26 <@Evilpig> some kind of security setting in windows ?
18:26 <@klixa> if anyhing it would have to be in the phone, because the pc works with one phone
18:27 <@klixa> i have looked through all phone settings, so either i am missing something, or i need to use applecare
18:27 < RangerZ> or an android phone
18:27 < RangerZ> lol
18:27 < RangerZ> itunes is the reason I don't use an iphone
18:28 <@klixa> the samsung note is niiiiice
18:28 <@klixa> RangerZ: im not having an issue with itunes
18:28 <@klixa> im having an issue with it showing up as a win 8 device and charging
18:28 <@klixa> i dont have itunes installed on the pc at all
18:29 <@Evilpig> klixa: same cable?
18:29 <@klixa> same cable
18:29 <@Evilpig> does the one that doesn't allow you to browse files show up under device manager?
18:29 <@Evilpig> open device manager, then plug the phone up to see if it changes
18:30 <@klixa> yeah im checking
18:30 <@Evilpig> maybe it is showing up like an unknown device for some crazy reasy
18:30 <@Evilpig> reason
18:32 <@klixa> no unkown devices showing up
18:32 <@klixa> what i dont get is another phone and ipad owrk on that computer and the phone that wont work works on my mac
18:32 <@Evilpig> a known device show up?
18:32 <@klixa> nothing seems to show up...im googling to see where i should find it, like under what subheading
18:32 <@Evilpig> is it showing the phone like it does your other one? under mobile devices or whatever
18:33 <@Evilpig> just plug your other one up.  :P
18:33 <@klixa> it shows up in device manager
18:34 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGOb63p59BM [Biometric Toys Connect With Your Lover ...& Their Heartbeat?] lol... *shark jumped achievement unlocked*
18:34 <@klixa> as an apple iPhone
18:34 <@klixa> ok i fixed it
18:34 <@klixa> thanks
18:34 <@Evilpig> I'm taking credit for that
18:34 <@Evilpig> i'll bill you
18:34 <@klixa> lol, well having me check device manager made me go ahead and click update driver
18:34 <@klixa> which is what fixed it...btu you led me there, so you can have credit
18:35 <@Evilpig> and teh bill.  dont' forget the bill
18:36 < RangerZ> klixa: just offer to clean his house or cook him dinner
18:36 < RangerZ> cook him a pork roast
18:37 <@klixa> hehe
18:37 < aestetix> or suck his dick
18:39 < RangerZ> just go visit him on white day
18:39 < RangerZ> March 14th**
18:39 < RangerZ> aka "steak and a blowjob day"
18:43 <@klixa> i thought that was feb 14
18:44 <@klixa> guess not...tho i have heard vday called steak and bj day too
18:44 <@klixa> lol @ http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/14/steak-and-blow-job-day-today-march-14_n_2869619.html
18:45 <@klixa> "eak and Blow Job Day” is the White History Month of holidays; the type of delusional push back based on the idea that men are being asked to do TOO MUCH. Attention S&BJ Day fans: Every day is Steak and Blowjob Day."
18:45 <@klixa> steak*
18:46 <@klixa> i was not aware men get steak and bj's EVERYDAY... were you all?
18:47 < RangerZ> "white day" is what its called in japan
18:47 < RangerZ> where males give gifts back to the women who gave them chocolates on valentines day
18:47 < RangerZ> (yes women give the chocolate in japan)
18:47 <@klixa> i dont celebrate vday
18:47 < RangerZ> also... girls are the ones who are generally suppose to confess
18:48 < RangerZ> thats a LOT better situation than the US's
18:48 < RangerZ> lol
18:48 <@klixa> are men the subimssive ones there?
18:48 < RangerZ> no, but social constructs are very different than here
18:49 < RangerZ> males displaying emotion (love in particular) wasn't common
18:49 < RangerZ> even now, men giving roses to their wives in public... makes the news
18:49 <@klixa> germans were like that too
18:49 < RangerZ> hell there was a NPR thing about it... sometime in 2014 that I remember, I think spring
18:50 <@klixa> my father would be 86 now and he was german, and he never expressed love, affection etc
18:50 < RangerZ> was he a nice person?
18:50 < RangerZ> or just emotionally cut off?
18:52 <@klixa> being reserved like that made him seem harsh... but i guess he was nice
18:53 < RangerZ> well thats good
18:53 < RangerZ> b/c someone could seem that way and just be a dick too
18:53 < RangerZ> lol
18:53 <@Dickie> Can't show emotion.
18:54 <@Dickie> Someone will exploit it
18:54 < RangerZ> s/someone/Dickie/
18:54 < RangerZ> ;)
18:55 < RangerZ> or s/someone/Mrs.Dickie/
18:55 < RangerZ> lol
18:56 <@Dickie> Emotion is a display of vulnerability
18:56 <@Dickie> Can't be havin' that
18:58 <@Dickie> Also, I have a naturally sarcastic tone of voice and it's hard to express sincerity
18:58 <@Dickie> It's exasperating
19:10 < RangerZ> try poetry
19:10 < RangerZ> lol
19:12 < aestetix> roses are round, violets are flat, if Shadow404 is wanking, there's probably scat
19:22 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q3ybIW2MGQQ Dagmar you'll enjoy this convo
19:23 < RangerZ> they are talking about Destiny, and haven't played MMOs before
19:35 < RangerZ> reminds me of ...what was it ... burning crusade in WOW where people had spent hundreds of hours playing... and then they go into a new zone... and the 'common' items are better than their 'omg super elite' items
19:55 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lluSIbRlBhA HAHAHA
19:55 < RangerZ> [Want to be a Hacker?]
20:13 < aestetix> learn python and join a startup, right?
20:21 < aestetix> ok so
20:21 < aestetix> RangerZ: remember that chat about an app versus a website
20:21 < aestetix> what about releasing a firefox/chrome plugin?
20:22 < aestetix> It serves the function of pushing the code off to an api, but doesn't require a phone
20:29 <@Dagmar> Thanks to shitty sites like Andromo, you can have an app that _is_ a website
20:29 < aestetix> basically I'm starting to wonder if there is a market for something that converts an app into a regular website so people without iphones can use it
20:31 < aestetix> the thing is
20:31 < aestetix> I know there are tools that let you design for iphone and android
20:31 < aestetix> it seems natural they'd also be able to make them for web
20:37 <@Dagmar> There is not going to be a sane way to do it
20:37 <@Dagmar> ...not without an emulator.
20:38 <@Dagmar> ...and that's not necessarily going to be sane
20:38 < aestetix> Basically, in my view the point of the internet is to allow everyone to have access to ideas and services.
20:38 < aestetix> Balkanizing things into apps to make money kills that point.
20:38 <@Dagmar> Then you've got it backwards
20:39 <@Dagmar> If someone's made a website into an app, attempting to find a way to run the app inside a webpage is just dumb.
20:39 < aestetix> I guess a good question is.... are web devs or iOS devs more expensive?
20:39 < aestetix> I had thought it was iOS
20:39 <@Dagmar> iOS devs
20:40 < aestetix> Then why the hell do companies claim it's too expensive to have both
20:40 < aestetix> When you can hire a web dev and use a tool to turn the website into an app
20:40 <@Evilpig> because you can double duty your ios dev
20:40 <@Dagmar> Theyd have to hire both
20:40 <@Evilpig> we have both
20:40 <@Dagmar> They tend to just hire one or the other
20:40 < aestetix> So hire a web dev and do the double thing to get the business off the ground enough that you can afford to hire an iOS dev
20:41 <@Dagmar> Also there's the general tendency of management to refuse to believe anyone is capable of doing more than one thing
20:41 < aestetix> Or is that illogical.
20:42 <@Evilpig> I want some icecream
20:42 < aestetix> So the moral of the story is these companies suck at being companies and want to do things that seem cool
20:42 <@Dagmar> Yup
20:43 <@Dagmar> You wanna see how these things happen?  Go make a free account with Andromo
20:44 <@Dagmar> They've got all this infrastructure and stuff for "MONETIZING YOUR INCREDIBLE APP"...
20:44 <@Dagmar> ...and almost nothing in the way of reasons to actually use that shit becuase the result is always crap.
20:44 <@Dagmar> Their site lets you _click your way_ into creating an app, using their website
20:44 <@Dagmar> ...and I'm surprised Google hasn't sent someone to set their offices on fire for what it means for the Play store
20:45 < aestetix> That sounds like Frontpage for apps
20:50 < aestetix> Dagmar: also, that means if Andromo has a security issue, it could be implemented into all the apps created by it
20:56 <@Dagmar> Yeah that's assuming the apps can do anything important.
20:56 <@Dagmar> Seriously.  Take a look at their site.
20:56 <@Dagmar> About the fanciest thing you can do is make a menu
20:58 <@Dagmar> I couldn't even find a way to feed the thing actual code.
20:58 <@Dagmar> When I say it turns a website into an app, it's probably more accurate to say that it turns a handful of web _pages_ into an app.
20:58 <@Dagmar> Like, if you need a dancing hamster to present someone with a map coordinate, it'll do that.
20:59 <@Dagmar> It's like a Weebly for apps, but without the usefulness.
20:59 <@Dagmar> Weebly sites tend to at least be functional.
20:59 < aestetix> dynamic pages?
21:07 <@Dagmar> Go look at the site
21:07 <@Dagmar> The answer to almost every question you're going to ask is "No, it can't do that"
21:17 <@Dagmar> I <3 McKay's
21:18 <@Dagmar> Got a copy of Orbital - Work 1989-2002 on the cheap, media is nearly perfect, and it still has the sheet of stickers in it
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21:37 < _NSAKEY> McKay's is the best.
21:46 <@Dagmar> Well, except their vinyls section
21:47 < _NSAKEY> I always go straight to the computer and the history aisles, and ignore everything else.
21:48 < _NSAKEY> The computer aisle isn't as fun as it used to be, but I still scored a current edition of Unix in a Nutshell for $3. It was in good shape except for a pretty bad tear on the back cover.
21:49 <@Dagmar> I buy electronic books.
21:53 <@Evilpig> just in case you guys haven't seen this yet.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1Qmctlj2Vk
21:53 <@Dagmar> Sooooo not airsafe
21:53 <@Dagmar> lol
21:54 <@Evilpig> I have no idea what you're talking about.  lol
21:54 <@Evilpig> still cracks me up when they get the dude from green jello in there
21:54 < RangerZ1> thats nothing compared to growing up in an Irish Catholic family...
21:55 <@Evilpig> the number one comment on that
21:55 <@Evilpig> just made me lol
21:55 < RangerZ1> HAHA
21:55 < RangerZ1> yeah...
21:57 < RangerZ1> http://motherboard.vice.com/read/silk-road-reloaded-i2p This has got to suck for the guy who setup silk road 2.0
21:57 < RangerZ1> my friend just went to his g/f's place today to console her and what not... (girly stuff I kinda stopped listening) lol
22:00 < RangerZ1> feel 'bad' for him, that he got caught
22:01 < RangerZ1> but if you're going to do that much crime, you gotta be willing ot pay the time (yes, butchering of famous movie line)
22:09 < oddball> One of those things you gotta do.
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22:20 < RangerZ1> but if he got ALL his money taken
22:20 < RangerZ1> then thats his fault
22:21 < RangerZ1> should have distributed his money into crypto protected online stashes, etc
22:25 < aestetix> fucking sprint
22:36 < aestetix> So here's an interesting question
22:36 < aestetix> I keep hearing hooplah about diversity
22:36 < aestetix> what advantages does diversity actually bring though
22:37 < RangerZ> lots
22:38 < RangerZ> think of having an industry with nothing but silicon valley people in it
22:38 < aestetix> yes but
22:38 < RangerZ> diversity doesn't mean 'just' race
22:38 < aestetix> having a bunch of folks who are the same culture and just happen to be female or black is not useful
22:38 < RangerZ> its better than all males
22:38 < RangerZ> who are WASP
22:38 < aestetix> no it isn't
22:38 <@oddball> But it makes people feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
22:39 < RangerZ> no, it really is
22:39 <@Dagmar> I agree with aestetix
22:39 < RangerZ> b/c they _won't_ come from the same background
22:39 < RangerZ> b/c they won't come from the same culture
22:39 <@Dagmar> If a bunch of people are racially diverse, but they all think and act alike, they are effectively _not_ diverse.
22:39 < RangerZ> even the whitest black guy I know, who went to my HS, is still _black_
22:39 <@Dagmar> That's only cosmetic diversity.
22:40 < RangerZ> I'm also in favor of eventually getting rid of 'quotas' too, but only once we've reached parity with socioeconomic conditions
22:41 < aestetix> The only thing quotes bring is resentment.
22:41 < RangerZ> not true
22:41 < aestetix> I'm actually pretty sure quotas were created by white people who felt guilty.
22:41 <@Dagmar> No.
22:41 < RangerZ> quotas aren't the real issue though, and are commonly the scapegoat by racists
22:42 <@Dagmar> Quotas were _demanded_ by minorities
22:42 < RangerZ> the problem with quotas, is NOT the quota, it is the reaction from white males about the quota
22:42 < aestetix> Dagmar: but the concept... who created it?
22:42 < RangerZ> google it
22:42 < RangerZ> I'm not sure either
22:42 < aestetix> Maybe I've just been watching too much Thomas Sowell
22:42 < aestetix> a black man who is very opposed to affirmative action
22:42 <@Dagmar> Minorities.
22:42 < RangerZ> but it 'does' work for certain areas, such as education, etc
22:43 <@Dagmar> Quotas fail to recognize that there are serious cultural differences that may be affecting candidates.
22:43 < RangerZ> and TX's arguement that if it allows the top 10% from every school into state univ. that it isn't racist.... b/c our schools are aleady so segregrated, that we'll get ~10% blacks b/c 10% of our schools are black majority....
22:43 < RangerZ> doesn't really help
22:44 < RangerZ> also, aestetix, "diversity programs" got my to berkeley too
22:44 < aestetix> RangerZ: woudl you agree that there's such a thing as "black culture"?
22:44 < RangerZ> b/c I am a first generation college graduate (or was going to be, at the time), from an economically depressed region, so I have unique insights , etc
22:44 < aestetix> ID I would argue that Obama is black but is part of white culture
22:45 < aestetix> IE
22:45 <@Dagmar> I think that perhaps that is not demonstratably correct.
22:45 < RangerZ> head of the harvard law review, etc
22:45 < RangerZ> he was certainly part of 'rich' culture
22:45 <@Dagmar> There is that
22:45 < aestetix> Dagmar: he speaks like a harvard professor.
22:45 <@Dagmar> Yeah, and so do I at times.
22:45 < RangerZ> but yes, different races have different cultural legacies
22:45 <@Dagmar> ...but it doesn't make me "white"
22:46 < aestetix> His language is not littered with "nigga"
22:46 <@Dagmar> ...and I'd like to point out that white people are not allowed to have a culture.
22:46 <@Dagmar> ...because that's racist or something.
22:46 < aestetix> Which if you go down the street in Oakland, you'll hear that word quite a lot.
22:46 < RangerZ> aestetix: and I'd argue thats not 'black' culture, thats 'poor' culture
22:46 < aestetix> RangerZ: but poor white culture is different from poor black culture
22:46 < RangerZ> yes, it is
22:47 < RangerZ> b/c poor whites embrace white trashyness
22:47 < aestetix> and black culture in general seems to hate the "white man"
22:47 < aestetix> which btw is one of the reasons "divserity" doesn't work
22:48 < RangerZ> no, one of the reasons diversity doesn't work is b/c of the field you are in too, has a stupid # of males applying and so few females, that quotas are hard to even fill....
22:48 < RangerZ> lol
22:48 < RangerZ> but about heritage differences, people can learn to appreciate and adopt parts of other cultures
22:48 < RangerZ> what the fuck do you think christmas in the USA is now
22:48 < aestetix> No, it's because it's full of folks who are whitebred suburban idiots who have never had to work a day in their lives
22:48 < aestetix> And cannot handle conflict at all
22:49 < RangerZ> german trees, dutch elves, an italian priest/saint
22:49 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Don't forget Roman gift giving.
22:49 < aestetix> RangerZ: is that why nobody is allowed to say christmas anymore?
22:49 < RangerZ> thats bullshit too
22:50 < RangerZ> that really isn't the case, and who the fuck cares one way or the other
22:50 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Anyone who actually objects to "christmas" being said needs a giant cup of STFU.
22:50 < RangerZ> i wished a jew merry christmas, and specifically said I know you're a jew, but thankfully christ was born in the summer, and christmas is nothing but a secular holiday in the USA
22:50 < RangerZ> lol
22:50 < aestetix> RangerZ: so do you think forced diversity makes a place safe?
22:50 < RangerZ> 'safe', not in oakland
22:50 < _NSAKEY> There are multiple holidays clustered around that time of the year, so "happy holidays" seems safe.
22:51 < _NSAKEY> I personally see things like "happy holidays" as a reaction to the realization that there are more holidays than just Christmas in December.
22:51 < RangerZ> I don't _set out_ to piss (all....most....a majority....some....a few...) people off
22:51 < RangerZ> lol
22:52 < RangerZ> i wished the _indians in my research group_ a merry christmas
22:52 < RangerZ> and they are all hindu
22:52 < RangerZ> not b/c or religion
22:52 <@Bahhumbug> The obvious solution is to stop celebrating the farce of a "holiday".
22:52 < RangerZ> but b/c of 'christmas is a NON RELIGIOUS HOLIDAY'
22:53 < RangerZ> aestetix: I'm ALL in favor of eventually getting rid of quotas, and the SCOTUS has said that we will eventually
22:53 < RangerZ> but... how do we promote people not being racists bastards ?
22:53 < RangerZ> lol
22:54 < RangerZ> we're in fucking #SE2600... the 'south' is where they went to war to be racists
22:54 < RangerZ> paft of me wishes they had won, and we'd have 2 US's
22:55 < aestetix> I kind of wish that too.
22:55 < aestetix> Not because I like slavery
22:55 < RangerZ> let the dumb fucks who want to be racists bigots be racists bigots, and let them not collect taxes b/c they don't want to pay for minorities to go to school, etc.
22:55 < aestetix> But because it gave the federal government way too much fucking power
22:55 < RangerZ> no
22:55 < RangerZ> let the asshats have their confederacy, and let the rest of the civilized world move on without them
22:56 < RangerZ> aestetix: The problem isn't the the federal gov't has too much power, its that the power it has is so hamstringed, that it isn't able to actually make things better in a lot of ways without jumping through 1000 hoops
22:57 < RangerZ> integrating the schools, is a perfect example where federal power should allow that easily
22:57 <@Bahhumbug> I'm all for reeducation of racist douchebags using ball-bats.
22:58 < RangerZ> part of me wants to let like Miss. and Alybammy split off and just not give them any federal dollars
22:58 < RangerZ> "red" states are the biggest 'takers' of federal dollars, where as blue states give the most
22:59 < RangerZ> then with those tax dollars Miss and Al don't get anymore, we help people re-locate out of the state
22:59 <@Bahhumbug> You're making assumptions that such relocation would be feasible.
22:59 < aestetix> RangerZ: that was the complaint with the New Deal too
23:00 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: it would be, there are tons of parts of the country with low population density
23:01 < RangerZ> if we treated those people like political refugees, we can send them to places where we have 'spare' like... most of NV
23:01 <@Bahhumbug> You're making assumptions that people want to leave their families behind.  You're making assumptions that the new ostracized states will just let people leave.
23:01 < RangerZ> lol
23:01 < RangerZ> Bahhumbug: obviously the entire plan is a thought experiment and would never really happen
23:02 <@Bahhumbug> Why not just wish for the religiotards to get out of politics in general?  It's got the same chance of succeeding.
23:02 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: do you go into the bathroom to fart if your wife is home?
23:02 -!- mode/#se2600 [+b *!~aestetix@173.203.197.*] by Bahhumbug
23:02 -!- aestetix was kicked from #se2600 by Bahhumbug [Choke on a knife.]
23:02 -!- mode/#se2600 [-b *!~aestetix@173.203.197.*] by Bahhumbug
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23:02 < RangerZ> god damn it aestetix, you're a fucking prick
23:02 <@Bahhumbug> This is news?
23:02 < RangerZ> stop being a fucking agrivator
23:03 < aestetix> RangerZ: so, do you agree with Eisenhower's decision to send the national guard to Little Rock?
23:03 <@Bahhumbug> aestetix: Believe it or not I abhor violence.  But in your case I would make an exception.  You either got beaten daily as a kid and it didn't take or somehow you managed to make it out of childhood without gettng a significant ass-beating.
23:03 < RangerZ> yes, b/c black children deserve the same right to education as any racial group
23:04 <@Bahhumbug> Either way...  stay away from me in real life.
23:04 < aestetix> RangerZ: the thing is, Europe doesn't seem to have nearly the same issues with black racism the US does.
23:04 < RangerZ> HAHAHA
23:04 < RangerZ> you haven't been watching the news have you?
23:04 < aestetix> That's against arabs and muslims, not blacks.
23:04 < RangerZ> nope
23:05 < RangerZ> thats not what I'm talking about
23:05 <@Bahhumbug> If it's not on twitter he's clueless
23:05 < RangerZ> its "africans"
23:05 < aestetix> huh?
23:05 < RangerZ> not "sub-saharan-africans"
23:05 < RangerZ> EU has issues with northern africans
23:06 < RangerZ> crossing the Med. and what not
23:06 < RangerZ> Italy has(had) groups of "minute men" like the US does on its southern boarder... roaming the cities and acting as 'police'
23:07 < RangerZ> busting up Roma, migrants, etc
23:07 < RangerZ> Roma= gypsies (term they don't like, but one you might be more familiar with)
23:09 < RangerZ> also, Blacks in UK don't face the 'same' racism as US or... even Japan
23:09 < RangerZ> hell in japan, racism is legal
23:10 < RangerZ> its more "anyone not japanese, but especially Russians and Blacks"
23:10 < RangerZ> but thats b/c of Japan's history with Russia, and many black US troops had children with japanese women since WWII... and a lot of people don't particularly like that
23:12 < RangerZ> Europe's biggest issues when it comes to $ are generally located in Spain and Greece, where tax dodging has its own terms for -which- tax you are doding or unique words for the 'type' of bribe you paying
23:13 < RangerZ> once money enters a black or grey market, taxes aren't collected and everything starts getting fucked
23:13 < RangerZ> India has the same problem
23:17 < RangerZ> but India has a lot of socio-religious-cultural problems too... but things are never 'simple' when discussing topics such as these
23:21 < RangerZ> when people try to over simplify them, you end up with libertarians, lol
23:47 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xsXM5s3r_10 [Elizabeth Warren: Break Up the Banks to Restore Economy for All]
23:47  * RangerZ swoons at the use of logic
23:51 <@Bahhumbug> I wonder when the Rothschild heirs are going to green light her....
23:53 < RangerZ> apparently they 'have'
23:53 < RangerZ> if she gets in
23:54 < RangerZ> but 'part' of me thinks she'd be better to stay in the senate
23:54 < RangerZ> and knock some heads there, and _change_ the tone/talking points of debates
23:54 < RangerZ> b/c she's already gotten some house dems to (grow some spines) -change their opinions- on the banking measure that was just up... and failed
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