--- Log opened Sat Jan 10 00:00:41 2015
00:16 < RangerZ> holy fuck... http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/witnesses-claim-2000-people-were-killed-in-a-boko-haram-assault-that-destroyed-a-town-9969252.html
00:16 < RangerZ> _TWO THOUSAND_
00:22 < RangerZ> also... the NYPD slowdown is ending
00:22 < RangerZ> sadly
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01:37 <@CRasH180> I hope I am not getting sick. Now, is not the time to get sick
01:38 <@CRasH180> damn it. Time for some airborne
01:38 <@CRasH180> I'm out
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09:46 <@Dagmar> Evilpig
09:47 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: Found a bug with prosthetic arms... if a gnome loses the prosthetic hand from their prosthetic arm, they're basically stuck without a hand until they get the arm chopped off again.
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13:55 < RangerZ> Dagmar: I can't wait for MSFT to buy gnomoria too... that way we can get some creep and pigs in there... lol
13:55 < RangerZ> or just creepy pigs....
13:56  * RangerZ won't ping him, and will just wait for his comment...
14:01 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: MSFT will never buy Gnomoria.  It's too complex a game
14:02 < RangerZ> they bought minecraft
14:02 < RangerZ> I think they like cubes
14:02 < RangerZ> never know...
14:02 < RangerZ> lol
14:02 <@Dagmar> They bought minecraft because it's considered a vewy simple sandbox game, like virtual LEGOs but without the fail LEGO did
14:04 < RangerZ> lol
14:04 < RangerZ> https://imgur.com/goUCqMc
14:06 <@Dagmar> Its just amazing how shit Andromo is
14:07 <@Dagmar> THey're getting an obscenity-laced email as we speak
14:07 <@Dagmar> Do NOT ask me to login to your site to request that you stop mailing me, and then require my password a second fucking time before you'll let me change that
14:09 < RangerZ> http://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/heroic-muslim-man-saved-jewish-hostages-during-paris-siege-by-hiding-them-in-chiller-9970051.html
14:09 < RangerZ> thank god he didn't hide them in a giant oven
14:10 < RangerZ> I think Irony detectors world wide would explode
14:13 < _NSAKEY> The internet would break.
14:14 <@Dagmar> Three minutes I'm on wtitter and I've already sent three hateful tweets
14:14 <@Dagmar> Is it any wonder I don't normally use it
14:14 <@Dagmar> Fuck stupid people
14:15 < _NSAKEY> Hahaha. Twitter can be fun though.
14:15 < _NSAKEY> You just need to follow people like thegrugq and ignore the stupid people as much as possible.
14:18 < aestetix> _NSAKEY: so ignore most of twitter?
14:18 < aestetix> if my ignore keyword list gets any longer I might have to index it
14:18 <@Mirage> I personally opt for ignoring all those stupid messaging things
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14:20 < RangerZ> I have twitter, but only so that I could get updates about class cancellations (because my one prof would send out a tweet if class was cancelled)
14:20 < RangerZ> because thats about the only logical use of that platform
14:20 < RangerZ> "having discussions" is such a joke
14:21 < aestetix> whats your twitter name
14:21 <@Mirage> yeah, 'cause email is too hard.
14:21 < RangerZ> Mirage: twitter sends to phones via text message
14:22 < RangerZ> this was back in 08 or so, and not everyone had a smart phone
14:22 < RangerZ> and in NE Ohio... you want to know as soon as possible that a class is cancelled... b/c we all basically drive to school...
15:01 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: Exactly.
15:12 < RangerZ> I find it a lot easier to just not -read- twitter
15:12 < RangerZ> twitter is only a broadcast medium
15:12 < RangerZ> I just don't "listen" lol
15:38 <@Dagmar> The 140-character limitation makes the medium amenable to the types of people I think should be killed.
15:38 < RangerZ> https://twitter.com/righteouscoder I barely ever use it, and I don't even bother reading the people I "follow"
15:39 < RangerZ> RighteousIndignation was too long for a twitter-name, lol
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15:45 <@Dagmar> So apparnetly the key to getting golem cores is to turn off autosaves and just leave the goddamn thing running for 2 years while you nap
16:04 <@Dagmar> Of course, that brings mants, since I haven't stabilized food production yet
16:05 <@Dagmar> ...but that's okay, two prosthetic arms, three hands, two legs, and a foot later... everyone's happy
16:28 < RangerZ> Dagmar: I always have too much yak milk, which I wish I could setup to be -destroyed- after a certain amount, or sold... lol
16:29 <@Dagmar> I'm going to start shrinking my livestock herds
16:29 <@Dagmar> I have plenty enough leather for everyone to wear it now, and the ogres are a nice source of leather.
16:30 <@Dagmar> I have had to _buy_ iron ore from vendors
16:30 <@Dagmar> ...but at least all those bones are being useful for something other than building.
16:30 <@Dagmar> I'm at -64 now... still haven't found any damn iron deposits
16:31 < RangerZ> ohh I always set the game up custom to have shallow and MORE metals
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16:44 <@Evilpig> I can't seem to get my gnomes to use the new arms and legs
16:45 <@Evilpig> I have two fuckers just limping around and they won't take a a new leg
16:48 < RangerZ> you have a a doctor?
16:48 <@Evilpig> and a hostpital
16:48 < RangerZ> do they need to be 'put on' in a hospital?
16:48 < RangerZ> <<that was just a "logical" guess
16:48 < RangerZ> lol
16:48 <@Evilpig> I dunno.  I have a 10 bed hospital set up, two dedicated doctores
16:49 <@Evilpig> doctors*
16:50 <@Dagmar> No, if they lose the foot off a prosthetic leg they won't replace it
16:50 <@Dagmar> Fun.
16:51 <@Dagmar> Otehrwise so long as you've got a hospital and a medic, it's automatic
16:51 <@Evilpig> my dudes are both missing right legs
16:51 <@Dagmar> Yeah so just make them some copper legs
16:51 <@Evilpig> i'll just let it run some more and see if he fixes it up
16:51 <@Evilpig> I've got bronze replacement limbs good to go
16:51 <@Dagmar> I figure they won't bleed if the cheap copper ones get knocked off, so I don't care
16:52 <@Dagmar> I may try to make bronze limbs and see if the guys missing a _hand_ off their prosthetic arm will upgrade them
16:52 < RangerZ> i save the copper for bronze, and use the malacite for tools/etc
16:53 < RangerZ> i _really_ wish you could save build queues and stuff
16:53 < RangerZ> not just military
16:57 <@Dagmar> I keep getting 0 gnomads...
16:58 <@Dagmar> ...despite their being 140 seats in my great hall and shitloads of statues
16:58 <@Dagmar> Something ie wedged
16:58 <@Dagmar> I just doubled the size of the thing.
16:58 <@Dagmar> Still 0 gnomads.  :/
16:59 <@Dagmar> My best source of imported people right now appears to be automatons, of which I have four... and three leftover cores
16:59 <@Dagmar> They can cut the hell out of some trees
16:59 <@Dagmar> Heh
17:00 <@Dagmar> Seriously... Great Hall is worth just over 40k by itself.
17:00 <@Dagmar> I'll have to Google a bit later... more gnomes should have shown up pretty quick
17:00 <@Evilpig> bah.  mine is only up to 32k
17:05 <@Dagmar> I have seven types of stone available, so I made seven sets of ten tables and 20 chairs
17:05 <@Evilpig> mine are all apple wood
17:05 <@Dagmar> ...and I have covered the entire floor in ceramic tile, and the walls are wood paneled smooth blocks
17:06 <@Evilpig> I haven't prospected any stone yet to make tile
17:06 <@Dagmar> ...and the entire room has statues all around it, some in silver, bronze, and malachite
17:06 <@Dagmar> I've been prospecting the dirt
17:21 < aestetix> god
17:21 < aestetix> mac os is a fucking memory hog
17:22 <@Evilpig> yup
17:22 < aestetix> How did it get so popular when it is a bloated piece of shit
17:29 < aestetix> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2055345/In-pieces-Worlds-biggest-jigsaw-puzzle-collapses-photographers.html
17:29 < aestetix> sucks to be that guy
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17:36 <@Shadow404> Evilpig: check out my login ip :)
17:37 <@Shadow404> 190.167.198.156
18:04 <@Dagmar> Helpful thing... corpse stockpile wherever, but limb stockpile on the surface near your entrance so you'll see if when any suspicious gnome limbs start showing up
18:06 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK0v1T4KS4Q
18:07 < aestetix> oops
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18:42 < RangerZ1> http://torrentfreak.com/chilling-effects-dmca-archive-censors-itself-150110/ so this sucks and is stupid
18:47 <@Dagmar> Figured out why my ambassadors were leaving.
18:48 <@Dagmar> Apparently in addition to an expensive room, they want "privacy" sometimes, and privacy means you can't have their room area designated to overlap with the door.  Go figure.
18:49 < aestetix> wow
18:49 < aestetix> http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jan/09/screenwriters-heavy-handed-script-editing-pushing-talent-out-of-film
18:49 < aestetix> thsi explains a lot
18:52 <@Dagmar> Evilpig: I've seen no sign there's any difference between any of the wood types.
18:52 <@Evilpig> apple is more expensive
18:52 <@Dagmar> There apparently _used_ to be, and there's still a lot of parts of the wiki that needs to be updated.
18:52 <@Dagmar> All four planks are worth 1.
18:53 <@Evilpig> just make an apple table then make any other type
18:53 <@Evilpig> the apple table is worth more
18:55 <@Dagmar> Finely crafted apple wood table: 60
18:55 <@Dagmar> Orange Wood table: 40
18:55 <@Dagmar> Only differnce is the usual quality modifier
18:55 <@Evilpig> birch cabinet.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/819o7io07k3wd7d/Screen%20Shot%202015-01-10%20at%206.55.14%20PM.png?dl=0
18:55 <@Evilpig> apple wood cabinet.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/wvyc4dbhhljsyk7/Screen%20Shot%202015-01-10%20at%206.55.04%20PM.png?dl=0
18:55 <@Evilpig> both regular quality
18:58 <@Evilpig> so... currently.  applewood furniture is more expensive
19:00 <@Dagmar> Nope.
19:00 <@Dagmar> I just cranked out four cabinets.
19:00 <@Dagmar> Birch came out poorly crafted at 54.
19:00 <@Evilpig> there's the screen shot.  right there
19:00 <@Dagmar> The other three were all finely crafted, worth 90.
19:01 <@Dagmar> Holy shit there's Gnomoria cards now
19:04 <@Dagmar> However the hell you find them, I just pushed all four screenshots up into Steam flagged friends only.  You should be able to see them.
19:05 <@Dagmar> I have _never_ seen the difference in wood types change the item value... only the quality.
19:05 <@Dagmar> This isn't the first time I've looked into it, either.
19:05 <@Evilpig> well there are my screen shots showing the difference
19:06 <@Dagmar> It was apparently changed about the time I originally got the game.
19:06 <@Evilpig> clearly apple is more expensive.  if you can get lucky and get a good quality piece it will be higher still
19:06 <@Dagmar> I have four screenshots.  I win.  ;)
19:06 <@Dagmar> All three finely crafted cabinets are worth 90.
19:26 < RangerZ1> dagmar birch is worth more, than pine, then the others
19:26 < RangerZ1> like 8:5:3 or something like that
19:28 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1xIGfVFb-U
19:28 < aestetix> this looks pretty good
19:28 < RangerZ1> http://www.gnomoriawiki.com/wiki/Items#furniture hmm looks like the values have been updated
19:31 < RangerZ1> this spring they were like what I said, which kinda annoyed me, b/c I wanted my furniture to be pine, not birch
19:31 < RangerZ1> (looks wise)
19:34 <@oddball> I may need a shirt with this print: http://www.spoonflower.com/fabric/1583625
19:34 <@Dagmar> RangerZ1: You sure about that?  You should be able to view my screenshots on Steam which show otherwise
19:35 <@Dagmar> Originally, the fruit woods were worth more, but it's not been that way in a long time
19:37 < RangerZ1> yeah, I'm sure
19:37 < RangerZ1> b/c it pissed me off
19:37 < RangerZ1> I was using fruit for making coal, etc
19:37 < RangerZ1> that -or- the wiki was fucked
19:37 < RangerZ1> which is possible
19:37 <@Dagmar> Then explain how I just had three different cabinets come out with the same value
19:37 <@Dagmar> The wiki is, as far as I know, wrong.
19:38 < RangerZ1> honestly the 'buggyness' was more of a reason for me stopping when I did
19:38 < RangerZ1> if its playing better, I might try it again
19:38 < RangerZ1> the -no- trading partners at 50k... kinda sucked... 0 wool, etc.
19:41 <@Evilpig> RangerZ1: I can give you a copy of this save and you can see if it is working right for you
19:41 <@Dagmar> The wiki is still frelled.  It talks about selecting cat pictures that don't exist
19:41 <@Dagmar> Can't make an account, or I'd go on the discussion page about the wood types and ask there
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19:43 < RangerZ2> aestetix: look at The Lone Ranger, it was 'blah', the reviews were 'blah', the ticket sales in the US were 'blah', but the movie was profitable for the studio, b/c of China and other over-sees viewers (made like 25% more in ticket sales than cost of movie
19:44 < RangerZ2> Hollywood is only lucky that Bollywood doesn't make more English films (and expect that to start)
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19:45 <@Dagmar> I just posted in the Steam forum for it and we'll see
19:45 <@Dagmar> I have never seen the wood type affect an item's value
19:45 <@Dagmar> Not even once
19:48 < RangerZ2> dunno
19:51 < RangerZ2> will be interesting to see the response either way
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19:57 < RangerZ1> http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/george-zimmerman-arrested-aggravated-assault-weapon-n283586
19:59 <@Evilpig> duh?
19:59 <@Evilpig> that's one of those headlines that you knew was coming eventually
19:59 <@Evilpig> going back to the first time around... "he got out of his vehicle and followed the kid..."
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20:19 <@Evilpig> here's my gnomoria save if you want to try it to see what's wrong with yours.  https://www.dropbox.com/s/8r5k8s5ondeqosd/world02.sav?dl=0
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20:26 < RangerZ1> aestetix: I think its the writer's guild fault
20:26 < RangerZ1> certain labor uinions, that one in particular, got cozy with the companies they were suppose to be 'working against' for the 'rights of those in the union'
20:27 < RangerZ1> a writer being unable to remove their name is ajoke
20:27 < RangerZ1> but if you -want- to work in hollywood, you HAVE to join the writer's guild or the stagehand's guild (for that side of the industry), etc
20:50 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: Evilpig do you get any special drops from beetle and spider ?
20:54 <@Dagmar> lol I don't let those spawn if I can help it
20:55 <@Evilpig> I haven't ever seen a spider
20:56 <@Evilpig> and nothing special from beetles but I haven't seen them in a while either
21:09 < RangerZ1> Dagmar:
21:09 < RangerZ1> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZV1wfXipv0 up to 2km range with range extender
21:10 < RangerZ1> Parrot Beebop Drone
21:33 <@Dagmar> Is that the fish-eye lens one that's smaller?
21:33 <@Dagmar> My brother has that now I think
21:33 <@Dagmar> It does 1080
21:47 < aestetix> wow
21:47 < aestetix> http://imgur.com/a/Z5mEB
21:47 < aestetix> this is astonishingly fucked up
21:49 <@Dagmar> Dayum
21:50 <@Dagmar> Dude is thorough.
21:50 <@Dagmar> er... was.
21:55 < aestetix> ok time to torrent a movie through my phone
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22:02 < aestetix> ok ffs seriously
22:02 < aestetix> http://www.sprig.com/
22:02 < aestetix> please tell me why this has to be a fucking app
22:02 < aestetix> is it too hard to make a website?
22:08 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: from steam about your question  "My testing matches yours, all of the wood types have the same values."
22:09 < RangerZ1> aestetix: because apps are EASIER to make
22:09 < RangerZ1> (not really), but its easier to have responsiveness (or appear to have it) than a website
22:10 < aestetix> Aren't most apps just a frame containing javascript and html?
22:10 < _NSAKEY> The real answer: Because, walled gardens.
22:10 <@oddball> because apps are cool
22:10 < aestetix> The only reason I can really see is to give location information
22:10 < aestetix> because apparently entering your address and zipcode is too hard
22:10 < RangerZ1> I don't have stats, but I think thats only true for the really lazy companies trying to make apps that they don't care about
22:11 < aestetix> (typos are a concern, but I assume you have to enter CC information)
22:11 < RangerZ1> look at the marvel "comic" apps
22:11 < RangerZ1> they are not much more than giant PDFs wrapped in a viewer
22:11 < RangerZ1> I think the first one was 800 mb
22:12 < RangerZ1> also, if you make the 'UI' part of the app, you can cut back/down on bandwidth usage, since you only need a REST API webserver
22:13 < aestetix> how about you make a UI webserver
22:13 < RangerZ1> you still have to PAY for that
22:13 < RangerZ1> easier to write an app
22:13 < RangerZ1> and have the work offloaded to the client's "browser" entirely
22:13 < aestetix> if you're that poor, why are you running a company
22:13 < RangerZ1> aka... the app
22:13 < RangerZ1> who said poor
22:14 < RangerZ1> ...cheap...
22:14 < aestetix> greedy
22:14 < RangerZ1> ...american company....
22:14 < RangerZ1> if facebook could install a "site" on your browser, that was a plugin, and it saved them a few MB each visit
22:14 < RangerZ1> they would
22:14 <@oddball> here's a dirty secret: companies are in the business to make money.
22:15 < RangerZ1> but the % saved probably isn't worth it to them, b/c they like to do changes to code daily, etc
22:15 < RangerZ1> "job creators" are people who purchase products
22:15 < RangerZ1> because there are 0 -for profit- companies that will hire a single person more than they need to
22:16 < _NSAKEY> aestetix: GPS coordinates > address/zip code.
22:16 < RangerZ1> same with -leasing cloud instances- , etc
22:16 < RangerZ1> plus what if you don't KNOW your address
22:16 < _NSAKEY> Plus, entering an address/zip doesn't account for moving about, which they would also probably want for whatever reason.
22:16 < RangerZ1> I wandered SF kinda aimlessly when I was exploring it
22:16 < RangerZ1> I doubt I knew the address of any place I was
22:21 < RangerZ1> aestetix: also, apps can work when you don't have internet access
22:21 < RangerZ1> (depending on what the app is suppose to do)
22:21 < RangerZ1> and caching, etc
22:23 < RangerZ1> There are voice recognition, imagine processing, and other (computationally intensive) software that can be 'apps' and not require connectivity
22:24 < RangerZ1> obviously you don't spend much time in rural TN or KY or in other god forsaken places
22:24 < RangerZ1> lol
22:25 < RangerZ1> Google Navigation was (is...sorta...) a perfect example of this... you could cache the entirety of middle TN's google map navigation data on your phone/device and just sync it whenever you 'could'
22:25 < RangerZ1> my tablet made a great GPS device b/c of that
22:31 < RangerZ1> Dagmar: have you noticed that gnomoria has an 'orchestral' music option? lol
22:31 < RangerZ1> feels a bit odd playing a 'cube' game without 8bit music, lol
22:34 -!- sasquatc4 [~sasquatc4@73.181.12.16] has joined #se2600
23:24 < RangerZ1> "The NYPD has a secretive program that uses unmarked vans with X-ray machines designed to detect bombs. ProPublica tried to find out more about it, but the NYPD refused to answer for three years"
23:24 < RangerZ1> cause x-ray machines are 'safe' to point at people/things on the street
23:24 < RangerZ1> http://www.propublica.org/article/judge-orders-nypd-to-release-records-on-x-ray-vans
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