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00:04 <@Dagmar> That they were making a generic barebones chassis available that can be easily populated with the customizable components
00:04 <@Dagmar> Apparently you just unscrew that ball piece to expose the 2.5 drive bay, RAM, and possible SSD
00:08 <@Evilpig> they have made a nice new one lately to go along side the circus show there.  http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16883218041&cm_re=ZBOX-EN760-P-_-83-218-041-_-Product
00:08 <@Evilpig> $600 isn't bad either
00:08 <@Evilpig> i5 with a gtx860 video.
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01:17 <@Dagmar> pfft.
01:17 <@Dagmar> Took me six minutes to realize that my recording looked like it was misisng red for a reason
01:36 < RangerZ1> http://www.wired.com/2015/01/fcc-chairman-hints-big-shift-network-neutrality/
01:37 < RangerZ1> unless its re-re-classified as title 2... nothing good is going to happen
01:37 <@Dagmar> I've been hearing rumors all week that we might like the outcome
01:37 <@Dagmar> http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/01/title-ii-for-internet-providers-is-all-but-confirmed-by-fcc-chairman/
01:38 < RangerZ1> nice
01:38 < RangerZ1> we need it
01:38 < RangerZ1> other fucking countries are declaring it a _human right_
01:38 <@Dagmar> Yes.  If they want the internet to continue to grow, this is required
01:38 < RangerZ1> we might as well call it a _utility_
01:41 < RangerZ1> Google fiber would be all but instantly confirmed for nashville
01:41 < RangerZ1> hell... part of me wishes I could just gather people from -this- channel and build our own ISP
01:41 < RangerZ1> lol
01:43 <@Dagmar> lol
01:43 <@Dagmar> This Person of Interest episode is pretty funny
02:04 < RangerZ> You mean France?
02:05 < RangerZ> lol
02:05 < RangerZ> apparently the younger man who was named... was -in class- at the time of the shooting... and turned himself in to police
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03:21 < RangerZ> [Fox News: How Do We Know They're Bad Guys If We Can't See Their Skin Color?]
03:21 < RangerZ> .......
03:22 < RangerZ> not even going to link the video...
03:27 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: I found the video.
03:27 < RangerZ> well I gave the 'exact' title
03:28 < RangerZ> but yeah...
03:28 < _NSAKEY> Had my fingers crossed that the guy would have a heart attack on-air while saying we should continue militarizing cops further.
03:29 < RangerZ> part of me wants the onion to just post fox news clips
03:30 < RangerZ> unedited, in whole
03:30 < RangerZ> as 'parody'
03:30 < _NSAKEY> ... And of course a white blonde woman is the one who plays the race card...
03:30 < _NSAKEY> You would get DMCAed out of existence.
03:30 < RangerZ> nope
03:30 < RangerZ> its parody
03:30 < RangerZ> its so self-parody that they don't even get it
03:31 < _NSAKEY> That doesn't mean they wouldn't bombard you with DMCAs just to censor you, even if it was temporary.
03:31 < RangerZ> just post the video like he did in this video
03:31 < RangerZ> just the title
03:31 < RangerZ> you _CAN_ ignore DMCA takedowns
03:31 < RangerZ> its just that youtube has a bad DMCA takedown system
03:32 < _NSAKEY> Youtube's DMCA takedown system is bad because the studios have direct access to it.
03:32 < RangerZ> and they audio thing
03:32 < _NSAKEY> Also, DMCAs can't be ignored because of safe harbor provisions.
03:32 < RangerZ> thats not true
03:32 < RangerZ> you CAN ignore it
03:32 < _NSAKEY> If you want to be able to ignore DMCAs, get a server and a domain from a country that doesn't care.
03:32 < RangerZ> but you don't get instant legal protections
03:33 < RangerZ> DCMA are NOT legal orders
03:33 < RangerZ> they are only legal documents
03:33 < RangerZ> they have 'weight' but you -can- ignore them, but you should only do that when you feel you have a legal right to do so
03:33 < _NSAKEY> Still, it's been extensively documented that the only safe way to treat them is to take the content down and do a counter notice.
03:34 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: thats not true either, its a FUD arguement that is out there
03:34 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: its 'best' if you business is hosting OTHER people's content
03:35 < _NSAKEY> And anyone being smart about sending takedowns is going to ignore you and go straight for the hosting company.
03:35 < RangerZ> but if you host your own content, there hasn't really been a lot of cases, one way or the other
03:35 < _NSAKEY> If I was an evil megacorp (Since corporations are people!), that's what I would do.
03:35 < _NSAKEY> Screw sending YOU anything.
03:35 < RangerZ> just form a LlC
03:35 < RangerZ> LLC*
03:35 < _NSAKEY> It's more entertaining to go after your hosting company.
03:36 < _NSAKEY> Like I said, the only way to really prevent that is hosting in a US country that doesn't care at all.
03:36 < RangerZ> yeah
03:36 < RangerZ> or host your own shit
03:36 < _NSAKEY> Still, upstream providers have to be dealt with.
03:37 < RangerZ> ISPs have purposely avoided DMCA takedowns though
03:37 < RangerZ> b/c they don't want to be legally 'involved' one way or the other
03:37 < RangerZ> lol
03:37 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: That probably wouldn't stop some of the more rabid lawyers out there from trying.
03:37 < RangerZ> ohh no, it hasn't
03:38 < RangerZ> CREDO in particular has told the lawyers to GTFO
03:38 < RangerZ> Also... there was an ISP out west that did the same...
03:39 < _NSAKEY> Qwest told the NSA to kill itself in a fire over what lead to the illegal wiretapping scandal in 2007/2008.
03:39 < _NSAKEY> All the other ISPs rolled over like good little lemmings.
03:39 < RangerZ> there was another one too
03:40 < RangerZ> let me google, brb
03:40 < _NSAKEY> Regarding that exact scandal, QWest is the only one I remember who had any back bone.
03:41 < _NSAKEY> The big warning sign for me that Obama wouldn't be any different from the rest of the politicians came when the bill to give the telcos retroactive immunity was passed.
03:41 < _NSAKEY> Hillary Clinton was still in the race at the time, and both of them and McCain voted yes.
03:42 < _NSAKEY> DMCAs really aren't all that interesting.
03:42 < RangerZ> think its https://www.sonic.com
03:42 < _NSAKEY> What I'd like to see, is some company get a National Security Letter and say "Fuck you, this shit is illegal. We're publishing this without any redactions and hopefully helping the terrorists win. Do something about it."
03:43 < RangerZ> 40$ gigabit internet 'intro rate' but still
03:44 < _NSAKEY> Oh, I remember these guys now.
03:44 < _NSAKEY> You're right.
03:44 < _NSAKEY> They were small so they didn't get mentioned a lot, but you're right about them.
03:45 < RangerZ> yeah
03:45 < RangerZ> only like 10 cities in Cali even now
03:45 < _NSAKEY> Didn't they get mentioned for their stance against illegal surveillance when the Snowden docs started leaking?
03:46 < RangerZ> so... introduced a female friend of mine to Nerd-core Rap (Dual Core)(Intx80 and Remmy) and she really liked it... so that was amusing
03:46 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: yeah
07:42 < aestetix> hi
07:50 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:51 <@Dolemite> RangerZ: What about some 2 Skinnee J's?  Not current, but definitely groundbreaking in terms of nerdcore.
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08:44 < aestetix> http://sixcolors.com/post/2015/01/the-macbook-air-returning-to-its-roots/
08:44 < aestetix> apparently Apple is ditching the power connector
08:51 <@opticron> that's fun
08:51 <@opticron> since USB3.1 can do 100W
08:56 <@opticron> if they really moved the power button to the position of the escape key, that's going to suck
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09:13 < aestetix> aww such a polite penis: http://i.imgur.com/JMWr1CN.jpg (nsfw)
09:14 < RangerZ> i dunno... I think Apple is going to slump here soon... the macbooks are just too expensive for the OS-tax they have
09:15 < RangerZ> I'd love to 'try out' OSX on my work-laptop
09:15 < aestetix> well the fact that they are betting a bunch of things on a fucking watch
09:15 < RangerZ> also, him calling 1800$ laptop 'mainstream' is amusing
09:16 < aestetix> I imagine the watch is gonna cost like $300
09:16 < aestetix> that's a rather expensive fashion statement
09:16 < RangerZ> they are only mainstream for a few groups of people (I happen to be surrounded by them as an academic), but I realize how expensive they are
09:17 < RangerZ> if they were smart, they would make it like 2,000$
09:17 < RangerZ> and make it NICE
09:17 <@Dagmar> lol @ system requirements
09:17 < RangerZ> because 300$ hits that 'ehh' price point for yuppies
09:17 < RangerZ> its like the 5k$ "i'm rich" app that was on iphone
09:17 < aestetix> I just don't like having a watch that is 1. expensive 2. needs software updates 3. might crash
09:18 < RangerZ> you don't have a smart phone
09:18 < RangerZ> you don't count
09:18 < RangerZ> literally... you're not the target market
09:18 < aestetix> the same applies to phones :p
09:18 < aestetix> are you getting an apple watch?
09:18 < RangerZ> fuck no
09:18 < RangerZ> I have 0 iCrap
09:18 < aestetix> do you want one?
09:18 < aestetix> and more important will your family want one
09:18 < RangerZ> no
09:19 < RangerZ> my 'family' = me, legally
09:19 < RangerZ> << just did taxes, lol
09:19 < aestetix> ok do you know any normal folks who will want one
09:19 < RangerZ> s/normal// , and even then no
09:20 < RangerZ> wearables need to recharge too often
09:21 <@Dolemite> Did you see info about the unannounced-yet-seen-at-CES LG watch?
09:21 < RangerZ> no
09:22 <@Dolemite> It's pretty fucking sweet....   and of all things, runs on webOS
09:22 <@Dolemite> but it's a wearable for Android
09:22 < RangerZ> ohh
09:23 < RangerZ> the one that unlocks your car for you
09:23 < RangerZ> for Audi
09:23 < RangerZ> perhaps
09:23 <@Dolemite> http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-audi-watch-android-wear-webos
09:23 < RangerZ> but I don't want my -car key- running out of battery
09:23 <@Dolemite> yes
09:23 < RangerZ> lol
09:23 <@Dolemite> Then don't rely on your watch instead of your car keys
09:26 <@Dagmar> What if you accidentally swallow it?
09:26 <@Dolemite> You're likely to choke and die
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09:27 <@Dagmar> Then perhaps we should be _encouraging_ the mac fanboys
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09:29 <@Evilpig> a metal mariachi cover band...  http://metalachi.com
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09:39 <@Dagmar> Damn indev
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09:39 <@Dagmar> I've got a Gnomoria save that's crashing when I try to buy iron ore
09:39 <@Evilpig> that sucks
09:45 <@Dagmar> I have a very sneaky idea... if I can get my hands on some golem cores.
09:46 <@Evilpig> did he release the automaton update?
09:46 <@Dagmar> In the indev branch
09:47 <@Evilpig> don't have access to that on the macbook
09:47 <@Dagmar> Golem cores are supposed to be dropping--golems just don't spawn very often
09:47 <@Evilpig> you could insta spawn them before pretty easily
09:47 <@Dagmar> ...but if golems don't need to eat, I don't see any reason why I can't get one with the mining skill and just basically... bury them.
09:48 <@Evilpig> heh
09:48 <@Dagmar> Failproof village.
09:48 <@Evilpig> skeletons and beetles would probably kill a single golem
09:48 <@Dagmar> They'd have to be able to reach it first.
09:48 <@Evilpig> and eventually other golems since you weren't picking up your ore
09:49 <@Dagmar> Meanwhile, there's a _chance_ the next batch of arrivals would be able to clear things out
09:49 <@Dagmar> ...since hte most deadly thing is a mant invasion
09:50 <@Dagmar> Whoohoo!  Got one
09:51 <@Dagmar> Thankfully it doesn't require one to build a full set of prosthetic limbs
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09:55 <@Dagmar> I just moved all my raw stone up to near the training grounds, and then undefined the stockpile.
09:55 <@Dagmar> My _weak_ fighters have axe/hammer over 75 now
09:56 <@Dagmar> I'm about to start training squads in unarmed combat, because apparently if you get _dodge_ up they can become pretty untouchable
09:57 <@Dagmar> Now if I can just figure out why the ambassadors leave sometimes
10:03 < RangerZ1> so standoffs in Paris now...
10:04 < RangerZ1> took hostages at grocery store, and 'apparently' Kouachi brothers have been caught?
10:05 < RangerZ1> http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/01/09/reports-hostages-paris/21487027/
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10:10 < RangerZ1> Thats what this channel needs.... Another "Mike"
10:11 <@Evilpig> speaking of mike...  just saw the latest mike tyson mysteries...  ROFL
10:13 < aestetix> What is Mike Tyson mysteries
10:13 < aestetix> do I even want to know
10:14 < RangerZ1> "what is he mumbling"
10:15 <@Dagmar> That you can never really know a man until you've tasted his ear.
10:16 < RangerZ1> glad corydon isn't here for aestetix to ask if that is correct
10:18 <@Evilpig> mike tyson mysteries is a show on cartoon network that is what you get when you make scooby doo but starring mike tyson and the mystery team becomes a ghost, a korean girl, and a pigeon
10:19 < RangerZ1> ...
10:19 < RangerZ1> thats it... we've ran out of ideas...
10:20 < RangerZ1> someone at cartoon network just played fucking madlib
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10:27 < RangerZ1> http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/01/08/2329200/russia-says-drivers-must-not-have-sex-disorders-to-get-license russia banning gays from driving
10:28 < RangerZ1> ohh wait, not 'gay' but everything else they don't like...
10:30 <@CRasH180> I do not understand what one has to do with the other
10:30 <@CRasH180> sexual disorder vs driving?
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10:34 < RangerZ1> its russia and putin is cow-towing to the church
10:35 < RangerZ1> thats all
10:35 < RangerZ1> my russian friend has lived here like 10 years, and still doesn't 'get' why gays exist
10:37 < RangerZ1> I think its more of a 'never thought about it' topic for her than her not like them, b/c she doesn't she knows any, etc.
10:37 <@Dickie> I'm like that with Jews.
10:37 < RangerZ1> but back in russia... same as here... religious peer-pressure
10:39 < RangerZ1> hell gays only have the right to marry in most states b/c of our 'pesky' constition
10:39 < RangerZ1> lol
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11:02 <@Dagmar> Heh learned something amusing the other night about the Cookeville Ingress players...
11:02 <@Dagmar> ...apparently they have no faith in their ability to glyph.
11:03 <@Dagmar> I suggested that perhaps "Drunkgress" should involve glyphing, and if you don't get all the glyphs right, you take a shot.
11:03 <@Dagmar> They looked at me like I'd said we should drink soap from the hand dispenser.  Heh
11:29 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zIjH5mcwAU
11:29 < aestetix> conclusion: russians suck at driving
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11:31 <@shapr> GOOD MORNING
11:41 < RangerZ> stop yelling
11:44 < aestetix> Good morning Bahhumbug
11:45 <@eryc> AUTOMATE EVERYTHING. FUCK YOUR JOB.
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12:32 < RangerZ> eryc: I'm automating -other- professors
12:33 < RangerZ> -_-
12:34 <@Dagmar> I'm just automating tree farming.
12:34 < sasquatc4> wtf, how did over the past week my office mate just decide to start eating with his mouth open
12:34 < sasquatc4> and always something crunchy
12:34 < RangerZ> sasquatc4: could be they have dental issues arising
12:34 < RangerZ> http://abcnews.go.com/International/charlie-hebdo-attack-suspects-dead-hostage-safe-french/story?id=28105639
12:35 < sasquatc4> could be
12:35 <@Evilpig> 404sites.tumblr.com
12:37 < RangerZ> sasquatc4: or Evilpig paid them to torment you
12:37 < RangerZ> apparently he does that, because "a little social engineering goes a long way"
12:39 <@Dagmar> Golem cores do _not_ drop often.
12:39 < RangerZ> Dagmar: do you need golem cores for automata?
12:41 <@Dagmar> Yes.
12:41 <@Dagmar> One per.
12:45 <@Dagmar> I'm thinking that they'll make pretty good guards when equipped with guns
12:45 < aestetix> god
12:45 < aestetix> magento .... why do they use mysql tables for EAV storage
12:45 < RangerZ> or as a phalanx of dual shielded blockers... infront of those gunners, lol
12:49 <@Dagmar> Nah... I have a walkway with pits on each side as my entry point, and an elevated walkway over and to each side of that so they can maintain line of sight without being at risk of getting hit
12:50 <@Dagmar> If I can get more of the damn things I'll give 'em some guns and put them on patrol up there.
12:59 < RangerZ> nice
13:02 < RangerZ> I made a kingdom, and by year 4 I had 0 trading partners
13:02 < RangerZ> I'm hoping it was just bugged
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13:03 <@Dagmar> That's based on kingdom worth
13:03 < RangerZ> you're suppose to start with 1 though
13:03 <@Dagmar> You have to go into the Diplomacy screen and request and ambassador.
13:03 <@Dagmar> s/and/an/
13:03 < RangerZ> I know
13:03 < RangerZ> I was up to 50k value, no options there
13:03 <@Dagmar> Give 'em a room of their own and traders show up pretty quickly
13:03 < RangerZ> yep
13:03 <@Dagmar> Oh that's messed up
13:03 < RangerZ> I've gotten it to work in other games
13:04 <@Dagmar> At 50k you should have a second friendly kingdom showing up
13:04 < RangerZ> yeah
13:12 < RangerZ> which is why I stopped playing for a long time
13:13 < aestetix> so dumb question
13:13 < aestetix> how big of a business is jewerly
13:13 < RangerZ> big
13:13 < aestetix> really
13:13 < RangerZ> billions easy
13:13 < RangerZ> "how big" i dunno, but 'not small'
13:13 < aestetix> so someone with a store selling diamon rings and such can make bank?
13:14 < RangerZ> easy
13:14 < aestetix> I just.... I have no desire for that stuff, seems like a bunch of shiny trinkets
13:14 < RangerZ> dimonds are basically worthless
13:14 < RangerZ> debears has _created_ a market for them
13:15 < aestetix> all I know about diamonds is from that movie
13:15 < aestetix> blood diamond
13:15 < aestetix> actually aren't they useful for cutting things?
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13:20 <@opticron> aestetix, and as an abrasive additive for very small/crushed diamonds
13:24 <@Dickie> Daaaaaaa bears
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13:41 < Warcop> industrial diamonds are pretty damn important
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15:36 < aestetix> my internet has been out for 2 hours
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16:57 < aestetix> RangerZ: do you think Jimmy Stewart would be a member of the GOP today?
16:57 < RangerZ> was he a racist?
16:57 < aestetix> I have no idea.
16:58 < RangerZ> hmm born near IUP...
16:59 < RangerZ> [Following the assassination of Senator Robert F. Kennedy in 1968, Stewart, Charlton Heston, Kirk Douglas and Gregory Peck issued a statement calling for support of President Johnson's Gun Control Act of 1968.]
16:59 < RangerZ> he also backed Dole
16:59 < RangerZ> which means the GOP wouldn't have him
16:59 < RangerZ> regardless of _his_ opinion
16:59 < aestetix> Wasn't Dole the GOP candidate in 1996?
17:00 < RangerZ> yeah, but DOLE would have been a good president
17:00 < RangerZ> I don't agree with him on a lot, but he was compitent
17:00 < RangerZ> so therefore the GOP -NOW- wouldn't have him
17:00 < aestetix> The GOP wants someone who is incompetent?
17:01 < RangerZ> did you watch the GOP primaries in 2012?
17:01 < RangerZ> LOL
17:01 < aestetix> you mean the clown circus?
17:01 < RangerZ> yeah
17:01 < RangerZ> "In the last years of his life, he donated to the campaign of Bob Dole in the 1996 presidential election and to Democratic Florida governor Bob Graham in his successful run for the Senate.[105]"
17:01 < RangerZ> so he donated to both Democrats and Republicans
17:01 < aestetix> well the thing is
17:02 < aestetix> the political overton window has shifted so much
17:02 < aestetix> that democrats now are basically republicans of the 70s
17:02 < RangerZ> most, yes
17:02 < aestetix> IE nixon would have been considered a democrat today
17:02 < RangerZ> Signed the Clean (Air|Water) Act, Founded the EPA, ended the war in vietnam
17:02 < aestetix> and resigned
17:03 < RangerZ> hell... I'd -let him go for spying- if he did that instead of what bush did
17:03 < RangerZ> lol
17:03 < RangerZ> hell bush -legalized what nixon resigned for- ... his trick was to just spy on EVERYONE
17:04 < aestetix> I'd argue that ford legalized it
17:04 < _NSAKEY> And Carter temporarily shut down what Nixon and Ford got started.
17:04 < _NSAKEY> Reagan resumed it with EO 12333.
17:05 < _NSAKEY> A lot of the NSA's illegal spying operations claim EO 12333 as their authority for existing.
17:06 < _NSAKEY> So when some PR drone says "We have no program which does X under Section 123 of the Patriot Act," that's technically true.
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19:56 <@Shadow404> woot woot, headed to the D.R. tomorrow
19:56 <@Shadow404> ill be sipping margarittas on the beach by 3pm
19:57 <@Bahhumbug> Quick.  Get him on the no-fly list.
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20:05 <@RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_6GGUd5PmY
20:06 <@RangerZ> ASUS Zenfone 2 - 1080p, IPS, Dual SIM, Intel Atom.. Only $200!!! - CES 2015 2GB ram, full 64bit CPU Intel® Atom™ Processor Z3580 
20:06 <@RangerZ> 199 unlocked for 2GB ram version and 299 for 4GB version
20:09 <@RangerZ> if this can dual boot into linux and android... (or just run regular linux stuff on the android OS...
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20:24 <@Evilpig> Shadow404: thanks for the invite dick.
20:27 < RangerZ> what did he invite you to? (something good he didn't invite you to?) (or something bad he -did- invite you to?)
20:47 <@Dagmar> Oooo and it has an SDCard slot
20:47 <@Dagmar> Not a bad phone
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20:48 <@Dagmar> 300mAh battery is a bit meh but still larger than the usual stock battery
20:55 < RangerZ> 3000mAh even
20:55 < RangerZ> lol
20:56 < RangerZ> 3000mAh lithium-polymer, Fast-charging technology
20:57 < RangerZ> not just Li-ion
21:00 < RangerZ> but 4GB RAM, with (what looks to be a full x86-64 CPU), with Android L, and dual SIM...
21:00 < RangerZ> 300$ ?
21:07 < RangerZ> god damn it... it doesn't support sprint network, but does at&t
21:07 <@Dagmar> I like how proud they are of their screen-to-phone ratio
21:07 <@Dagmar> So it's apparently 76% screen, 22% battery
21:07 < RangerZ> supports LTE for AT&T, T-Mobile, and Verizon
21:08 < RangerZ> hmm... uses TDD 41 ... so spring 'does' support that
21:08 < RangerZ> so might be all 4 big
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21:12 < RangerZ> -that- alone would be a great coup d'etat for them
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22:14 < RangerZ> http://www.business2community.com/world-news/anonymous-responds-charlie-hebdo-attack-threatens-shut-jihadist-websites-01120552
22:15 < RangerZ> #OpCharlieHebdo
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23:58 < RangerZ> wow... you can't make this shit up...
23:58 <@Evilpig> ?
23:59 < RangerZ> [“Be Careful About Drinking Around Me,” Cosby Jokes About Rape Allegations During Standup Show] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wdbh9-H32AU
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