--- Log opened Wed Jan 07 00:00:39 2015
00:00 < RangerZ> I need someone to go through the bible(s) and find quotes that promote hacking...
00:00 <@Bahhumbug> Yay.  More batshit crazy religiotards.
00:01 < RangerZ> I'll setup a church...
00:01 < RangerZ> "its our religion"
00:02 <@SuMo_D> http://www.iflscience.com/health-and-medicine/man-born-two-penises <<<< This
00:02 <@SuMo_D> did you guys see this?
00:03 <@SuMo_D> NSFW
00:03 <@SuMo_D> you might not want to see it
00:03 <@SuMo_D> but dude
00:03 <@SuMo_D> this!
00:10 < oddball> RangerZ: First time I've heard of a church promoting MMA, but it's not unusual for a church to support a traditional martial arts school.
00:10 < RangerZ> but _traditional_ all have a focus on mental/pysical/meta-physical/etc
00:11 < oddball> Or a traditional MA school to be run by a guy that feels the need to use the school to promote the power of Christ.
00:11 < RangerZ> and not 'just beat the shit out of your oponent, 'however you can'
00:11 < oddball> Yeah.  MMA is bascally "get into a cage and beat the snot out of each other."
00:12 < RangerZ> I've taken karate and other stuff for 'after school' when I was young, and Self Defense for my undergrad
00:12 < RangerZ> and even -that- talked about the artform, the history, etc
00:15 < _NSAKEY> That double penis story smells like a hoax.
00:19 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: its not that unthinkable, its more unlikely that they didn't just cut it off when he was born like they do most hermaphradites
00:20 < RangerZ> (apparently its not nearly as uncommon as you'd think)
00:20  * RangerZ forgets figures offhand, but 'not' super rare
00:21 < RangerZ> also, who is this Paul McCartney guy the Internet is blowing up about?
00:22  * Bahhumbug twitches
00:22 <@Bahhumbug> Ignorant fucks.
00:22 <@Bahhumbug> The stupidity and ignorance of the internet at large never fails to amaze me.
00:22 < RangerZ> if you don't know... McCartney and Kanye West doing mashup, and west's fans asked who he was
00:22 < RangerZ> lol
00:23 < RangerZ> nah
00:23 < RangerZ> I barely know his name
00:23 < RangerZ> I don't like the beatles
00:23 <@Bahhumbug> ...
00:23 <@Bahhumbug> I sure as fuck hope you're kidding.
00:23 < RangerZ> I just don't
00:23 <@Bahhumbug> If not...
00:23 <@Bahhumbug> I don't care if you like them or not.
00:23 < RangerZ> nope, I'm not a fan
00:23 <@Bahhumbug> You should know who the fuck they were.
00:24 < RangerZ> he's the only one I can even name
00:24 <@Bahhumbug> ...
00:24 < RangerZ> sorry, lennan *
00:24 < RangerZ> them two
00:24 <@Bahhumbug> What the fuck is wrong with you?
00:24 < RangerZ> I don't care about music
00:24 <@Bahhumbug> You suck.
00:25 < RangerZ> ehh
00:25 <@SuMo_D> I agree with Nahhumbug on this one
00:25 <@SuMo_D> Bahhumbug
00:25 < RangerZ> why should I care about a band from 50 years ago?
00:25 < oddball> My favorite are the ones that state that Kanye's great for giving an unknown the publicity and he's going to have a big career.
00:26 < RangerZ> I don't think their music is enjoyable
00:26 <@Bahhumbug> Because without them music as you know it today would not exist?
00:26 < RangerZ> well then I should hate them, and blame them for beiber
00:26 <@SuMo_D> oddball me too lol
00:26 < RangerZ> lol
00:26 <@Bahhumbug> Yep.  You suck.
00:27 < RangerZ> no, your arguement does, but you don't want to admit it
00:27 <@SuMo_D> Even Ozzy Osbourne Godfather of Metal, credits the Beatles
00:27 < RangerZ> of course, they were big
00:27 < RangerZ> if someone else was big, ozzy would have credited them
00:27 < oddball> Of course, these are probably the same asshats who bitche about "some old white dude on stage" when the Grammy's gave him a lifetime achievement award.
00:27 <@Bahhumbug> oddball: Ignorant fucks
00:28 < RangerZ> I pissed off the fucking buss of 1/2 blacks when Michael Jackson died, and I said "anyone cares?"
00:28 <@Bahhumbug> That sums every last one of them up.
00:28 < RangerZ> hell, at least his started crossing racial boundries
00:28 < RangerZ> from black to white...
00:28 < oddball> Wait... McCartney was Beatle?  I just know him as the frontman for Wings. :p
00:28  * RangerZ presses the rimshot button 
00:28 <@Bahhumbug> You really don't know wtf you're talking about.
00:29 < RangerZ> no, I do know enough, to not care, thats the difference
00:29 <@Bahhumbug> You don't know enough or you wouldn't make idiotic statements like the black to white one.
00:29 < RangerZ> music is not a big part of my life, like it is for a lot of people
00:29 <@SuMo_D> oooooooh.... I lived in NYC when MJ passed.... yeah everyone cared... I think Brooklyn has an official MJ day
00:29 <@Bahhumbug> But I will just let you stew in your ignorance.
00:30 < RangerZ> I'm not saying OTHER PEOPLE SHOULDN'T CARE, I'm just saying I don't
00:30 <@SuMo_D> CARE DAMN IT!
00:30  * SuMo_D puts the crazy pants on 
00:30 <@Bahhumbug> It's not a question of your caring or not, it's a point that you make ignorant statements.
00:31 < RangerZ> I care about steve jobs, steve woz, bill joy, etc more
00:31 <@Bahhumbug> If you don't know about it, don't talk about it as if you do.
00:31 < oddball> Next you'll be telling me that you don't know who Quincy Jones is.
00:32 < RangerZ> I never said I was completely ignorant of the matter, I did take music courses, for a combined 15 years
00:32 <@Bahhumbug> You didn't say it.  I did.
00:32 < RangerZ> and thats factually inaccurate
00:32 <@Bahhumbug> [23:28:10] <RangerZ> hell, at least his started crossing racial boundries
00:32 <@Bahhumbug> [23:28:17] <RangerZ> from black to white...
00:32 <@Bahhumbug> Nope.  Not inaccurate at all.
00:32 < RangerZ> it was a fucking joke
00:32 < RangerZ> jesus
00:33 < RangerZ> but MJ's music WAS useful for starting to cross racial boundries for what people listened to
00:33 < RangerZ> to get young white people to listen to a black muscian
00:33 <@Bahhumbug> As were any other 100 performers of his time and 15-20 years previously.
00:34 <@Bahhumbug> If you knew the history of rock you would understand why I say that.
00:34 < RangerZ> "but the beatles were so big, everyone should know everything about them, but MJ was the biggest at the time... so what?"
00:34 <@Bahhumbug> s/rock/pop and pop-culture music
00:34 <@Bahhumbug> That might be more accurate.
00:34 < RangerZ> you can't have your arguement cake and eat it too
00:35 < RangerZ> whatever... I still don't think its that important for people to care about the beatles, especially people born 30+ years after they were together
00:36 < RangerZ> if you like to sit and enjoy music and take an appreciation for it, great
00:38 < RangerZ> also, insulting others doesn't really help your cause (notice I never insulted you, so even if someone leans towards your point of view, they will be turned off by the way you make the point)
00:38 <@Bahhumbug> Yeah, I am so overly concerned about that...
00:40 < _NSAKEY> Bahhumbug is right about black musicians and rock n roll.
00:40 < _NSAKEY> Rock n roll wouldn't exist without black musicians from the previous decades spreading their influence.
00:40 <@Bahhumbug> Blues, anyone?
00:41 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: Think of it in terms of evolution.
00:41 < _NSAKEY> Except instead of organisms, you have musical styles.
00:41 < RangerZ> ohh I'm well aware
00:42 < _NSAKEY> You could equate the Beatles with Genghis Khan in a way, except with less rape and death.
00:42 < RangerZ> but that doesn't mean I personally have to care about a group, I'm not denying that they were lucky that they filled an open hole at the right time/place
00:43 < RangerZ> They were very talented and skilled
00:43 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: I dunno about the 'less sex' part
00:43 < RangerZ> lol
00:44 < _NSAKEY> sex != rape
00:44 < RangerZ> you Men's Right's Activist
00:44 < _NSAKEY> Haha.
00:44 < _NSAKEY> There's a pretty huge difference from being some hot musical act and having girls drop their panties for you...
00:44 < RangerZ> crazypants said that any penetration sex was a rape (and yes, I consider her stupid as fuck)
00:45 < _NSAKEY> ... and being the leader of the Mongols, and killing almost everything in your path and raping everything else.
00:45 < RangerZ> yeah... thats a horrible stance that I think actually harms rape victims
00:46 < RangerZ> but Genghis Kahn 'won' the game of 'life'
00:46 < RangerZ> no matter how horrible his methods
00:46 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, having a huge chunk of the population in his former area being descended from him is pretty impressive.
00:55 < RangerZ> apparently the guess is that everyone on earth is within 50th cousin of each other
00:57 <@Bahhumbug> You're telling me that I am a cousin of gutter slime like weev?
00:57 <@Bahhumbug> Fuck that.  Time to eat a bullet.
00:57 <@Bahhumbug> Oh wait.  He's subhuman.
00:57 <@Bahhumbug> All's good.
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01:08 < RangerZ> Dagmar: I think you probably missed the most important point about the meeting you, me, and dru were at...
01:09 < RangerZ> the "a little social engineering goes a long way" was batshit... but him saying that YOU have 'smoked too much pot' was really the most amusing part of it, lol
01:19 <@Bahhumbug> RangerZ: You demanded to see the financials, yet?
01:40 < _NSAKEY> Bahhumbug: That came up after the meeting, when we all went to eat.
01:40 < _NSAKEY> Corydon gave a ballpark of what's owed, but said he would have to crunch the numbers to get an actual total.
01:40 <@Bahhumbug> Sigh...
01:41 < _NSAKEY> Just under $6,000, if memory serves.
01:42 <@Bahhumbug> Owed to whom?
01:42 <@Bahhumbug> Vendors?
01:42 <@Bahhumbug> McElroy?
01:42 < _NSAKEY> I think mostly Andrew.
01:42 < _NSAKEY> There was a lot of conversation happening at once.
01:42 <@Bahhumbug> So much for a bail out.
01:42 <@Bahhumbug> So effectively the organization is broke.
01:43 <@Bahhumbug> All due to a single person.
01:43 <@Bahhumbug> Way to fucking go.
01:43 < _NSAKEY> I recall hearing something about jonnyx working some of it off with commercials for andrew's company.
01:43 < _NSAKEY> Like, he gets in front of a camera and sells it, and part of it gets forgiven.
01:43 <@Bahhumbug> Doesn't matter.  Broke is broke.
01:44 <@Bahhumbug> And this is the same dipshit that got voted in for another term because people have no spines.
01:46 < _NSAKEY> It's going to be interesting to see how things go.
01:46 < _NSAKEY> A few people in this channel made reference to "Hurricane Elonka."
01:46 < _NSAKEY> She very nicely asked to see the books.
01:47 <@Bahhumbug> Pretty sad when no one local had the balls to demand it.
01:47 < _NSAKEY> Oh, just about everyone at the table wanted to see it too.
01:47 <@Bahhumbug> They had months and months and months to demand it.  They never bothered to do so.
01:48 <@Bahhumbug> There is a whole lot of talk from a whole lot of people but not a spine among 'em.
01:48 < _NSAKEY> Well, I distinctly recall Dagmar and RangerZ saying they wanted to see the books, and they were nearest to me at the place where we all ate.
01:48 <@Bahhumbug> After you are blown off repeatedly you stop asking and you start demanding or you start taking matters into your own hands and getting various agencies involved.
01:48 <@Bahhumbug> Again, lack of spine.
01:49 < _NSAKEY> I was under the impression that it had been asked before the January meeting.
01:49 <@Bahhumbug> It had been asked repeatedly.  And it had been repeatedly ignored.
01:49 < _NSAKEY> (Keep in mind, December was my 1st meeting.)
01:49  * Bahhumbug nods
01:49 < oddball> Bahhumbug: Nope.  I asked for financial info several times.  Was ignored/blown off or excuses were made.
01:49 < _NSAKEY> Being too new for anyone to consider me part of any problems is nice.
01:50 <@Bahhumbug> YOu asked.
01:50 <@Bahhumbug> And you accepted the blow off.
01:50 <@Bahhumbug> You had legal recourse to demand to see those financials.
01:50 <@Bahhumbug> As did everyone else.
01:50  * Bahhumbug shrugs
01:50 < oddball> Yes.  Because I was going to pay to get a lawyer involved.
01:50 < RangerZ> we gave him until next meeting, so as to not be a dick about it
01:51 < RangerZ> after that, then going to talk to a lawyer
01:51 <@Bahhumbug> "not to be a dick"....  Really?  That's the line you want to use?
01:51 < RangerZ> yes
01:51 <@Bahhumbug> You had MONTHS to get to see the books.
01:51 <@Bahhumbug> Meeting after meeting.
01:51 < RangerZ> and we didn't ask, and now we've given verbal instructions to make the books available next meeting
01:51 <@Bahhumbug> And you don't need a lawyer.  You need the state.
01:51 < RangerZ> if you don't like the timeline show up and do it yourself
01:51 < oddball> I don't have the money to pay for lawyer for a bullshit org that's cirling the drain.
01:52 <@Bahhumbug> You didn't need a lawyer.
01:52 < RangerZ> otherwise stop bitching
01:52 <@Bahhumbug> They are tax-exempt.
01:52 <@Bahhumbug> And you're dues payers.
01:52 <@Bahhumbug> You have a legal right to see the books.  It's this little thing called a law.
01:52 <@Bahhumbug> Fuck it.  Spineless.
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01:53 < RangerZ> also a little thing called... we care, but not enough to go out of our way to do these things
01:53 < RangerZ> plus the contract was already signed, nothing would have been 'improved' to see the books the day BEFORE the con
01:54 <@oddball> Honestly, I spent most of last year trying to stop giving a shit about the org, since I was fairly certain it was going to be a train wreck that killed the con.
01:54 < RangerZ> we needed to see the books after the con
01:56 < RangerZ> there is a time to get the books, and 'after' the con is it
01:56 < RangerZ> plus what oddball said, why bother with it if you think its going to die
01:57 <@Bahhumbug> Because you're a fucking dues paying member that should care enough about it to have demanded to see the books _before_ the contract was signed.  This is going back as far and even further than that.
01:57 < RangerZ> there is nothing we can do to stop the president from signing a stupid contract
01:57 <@Bahhumbug> This isn't something that just popped up in the past 2 months, RangerZ.  This is going back to early summer.
01:58 < RangerZ> and it wouldn't have mattered to see the books then
01:58 < RangerZ> it would have mattered to see the -contract- before it was signed
01:58 < RangerZ> but once it was, it was too late
01:58 <@oddball> And we were constantly told that we would see the contract before it was signed... and then it was signed... and we still didn't see it.
01:58 < RangerZ> and honestly... even if we DID see it then... it wouldn't have mattered
01:58 < RangerZ> nothing would have changed
01:59 < RangerZ> except us telling MORE people to NOT come to the con, and being more in debt, lol
01:59 < RangerZ> honestly the org would have been better to die at the prev. con, and then be reborn
01:59 < RangerZ> but dink was too nice to dru/corydon
02:00 < RangerZ> ohh wait... and himself
02:00 <@Bahhumbug> You had recourse.  You have an organizational treasurer.  That role has the power to prevent officers from running amok with organizational funds.
02:00 < RangerZ> since he would have been legally liable too
02:01 <@Bahhumbug> I agree with you on that.  It should have died.
02:01 <@oddball> Bahhumbug: Um.. the treasurer was/is Corydon
02:01 <@Bahhumbug> Or at least taken a year or so off to get shit straightened out across the board, including the alleged "improper" by-laws.
02:02 <@Bahhumbug> Yep.  I don't like the guy, but he's honest.  And if he actually knew what was going on I suspect things would have been curtailed quite early.
02:02 <@Bahhumbug> If he did know, he should be removed from office as he failed his fiduciary responsibility to the organization.
02:02 <@Bahhumbug> And I really don't think that of him.
02:03 <@Bahhumbug> Who knows, maybe I'm wrong.
02:03 <@oddball> He was also the one that stated that it was his opinion that only the officers should be able to see the contract.
02:03 <@Bahhumbug> And how much of that was parroted from your blundering leader?
02:03 <@Bahhumbug> We know, for an absolutely fact, that he was parroting Dru's bs back to this channel.
02:03 <@Bahhumbug> But yeah, you bring up a good point.
02:03 <@Bahhumbug> Hell, maybe he was complicit.
02:09 <@oddball> Well, as much as I would love to continue a subject that makes my blood pressure rise, it is 1am.  I'm going to bed.
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02:58 <@Dagmar> Bahhumbug: I would like to point out that RangerZ is correcct.  There's not a fucking thing we could have done about Dru, even during the summer, because he was basically lying to us and misrepresenting things the entire time.  We had to give him the benefit of the doubt.
02:59 <@Dagmar> You can be assured in February I'm probably going to be accused of being a giant dick because I have nothing but bad things to say about hte idea of trying to hold a second 'con in fucking march
03:00 <@Dagmar> It's a stupid idea in a long string of stupid ideas, most of which are coming from one person who will handily claim that my opinion is biased because "I don't like her"
03:00 <@Dagmar> Unfortunately for her, my "not liking her" is based on historical misdeeds and dumb fuckin' ideas
03:01 <@Dagmar> ...and for the record, I didn't tell other people not to go to PN.  I said, if and only if I was asked, that I was not going and why.
03:01 <@Dagmar> No one gets to hide behind the excuse that people were "telling others not to go"
03:06 < RangerZ> but Dagmar, you smoked too much pot ;)
03:06 < RangerZ> hehe
03:07 <@Dagmar> Yeah, the kid gloves have been taken off and burned.
03:07 <@Dagmar> It's time to start calling people delusional assholes to their faces when they act out
03:07 < RangerZ> but yeah... Feb's meeting will be 'interesting'
03:08 < _NSAKEY> I'm strongly considering getting some of these for Feb's meeting: http://www.amazon.com/Eclipse-Glasses-Certified-Viewer-filters/dp/B00712I3JA
03:08 <@Dagmar> It'll probably be a complete shitfest
03:08 <@Dagmar> ...but I'm tired of watching the dumb shit go on without making someone suffer for it
03:09 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: doesn't help with _expolosions_
03:10 < RangerZ> will need welding helmet at least
03:13 < _NSAKEY> With the way chats have been going recently, anyone who goes to J&J's after the Feb meeting is going to need one of these: http://www.amazon.com/Demron%C2%AE-Full-Bodysuit-Hazmat-Suits/dp/B007Z42GCY
03:16 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMDxIUkV2-M Razer's OSS & OSHW VR headset
03:16 <@Bahhumbug> Wasn't it^Wshe 'sposed to have walked away from the whole thing?  Didn't it^Wshe get all pissy with Dru and McElroy and burn those bridges as well?  Isn't it^Wshe moving somewhere?
03:16 < RangerZ> apparently its slightly behind the rift, but leap motion on front... so hand tracking without controller
03:17 < RangerZ> we'll see if she shows up, "supposedly" she's done with nlug too... but who knows... its like getting rid of a poltergiest... sometimes it takes a few priests working together... lol
03:18 <@Bahhumbug> She's an officer of nlug now I believe.
03:18 <@Bahhumbug> Because same issue... not enough people show up to ensure the lunatics don't run the asylum.
03:18 <@Dagmar> Sometimes you just have to burn the place down and build a new one without the curse.
03:19 <@Bahhumbug> I'll bring the accelerant.
03:20 <@Dagmar> NLUG should have never adopted a position of tolerance
03:21 <@Bahhumbug> Frankly... NLUG should have been disbanded years ago.
03:22 <@Bahhumbug> Membership is slim; there is little advocacy happening these days as well.
03:22 <@Dagmar> There would probably be more people showing up if they weren't freely allowing BSD people to speak
03:22 <@Bahhumbug> It's not been truly a _linux_ group since for as long as I've been in TN.
03:22 <@Dagmar> That dilution was I think one of the main causes of attendance droop
03:23 <@Dagmar> I don't have a problem with say, FreeBSD, but I've no more interest in sitting through a presentation on it than I am interested in sitting through a presentation on Microsoft Shitpoint
03:23 <@Dagmar> er Sharaepoint
03:24 <@Bahhumbug> I can't argue that.
03:24 <@Bahhumbug> Kevin tried to get things back on track and without him as President for the 2 or howwver many years he held the position I am quite sure that NLUG would be no more at present.
03:36 <@Dagmar> Android Studio is kinda pretty
03:37 < RangerZ> yeah
03:38 < RangerZ> but i'm so fucking pissed at it
03:38 < RangerZ> you can't write java code and android code in it
03:38 < RangerZ> you have to pick android only in AS
03:38 < RangerZ> so I'm going to intelleJ's IDEA 14 C.E.
03:38 < RangerZ> which has the 'same' fucking plugin
03:39 < RangerZ> which can handle like _every_ language
03:39 <@Dagmar> Well, I'm trying to not make things unnecessarily difficult for myself
03:39 < RangerZ> thats the thing, its just as easy
03:39 < RangerZ> lol
03:40 < RangerZ> but yeah, I'm still not pleased with the way AS doesn't even let you install the java plugins,etc...
03:40 < RangerZ> lol
03:40 < RangerZ> but I'm out... night
03:42 <@Dagmar> Bizarre.
03:42 <@Dagmar> AS says there's an update available.  The update is only 3Mb.
03:43 <@Dagmar> I think it's trying to trick me
03:43 <@Dagmar> It was like an 800 Mb download
03:43 <@Dagmar> (AS, that is)
04:18 <@Dagmar> wtf stockpile do prosthetic limbs go into.... pfft.
04:20 <@Dagmar> Finally found it
04:32 <@Dagmar> Interestingly, my tinker is still going despite having researched prosthetic limbs
04:32 <@Dagmar> I guess artificial gnomes themselves are next
04:38 <@Bahhumbug> Marvel's Agent Boobs, err, Agent Carter might be a winner.
04:39 <@Dagmar> Possibly
04:39 <@Dagmar> I just find it amusing they're doing a spinoff of a spinoff
05:01 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/GaryGJohnson/status/552626951513726976
05:01 < aestetix> no
05:01 < aestetix> that's offensive to any vim user
05:01 <@Dagmar> hahahahahaha
05:03 < aestetix> I think apple is too smart to do that
05:03 < aestetix> but I could see one of the shitty laptop places making that keyboard
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07:23 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
07:58 <@Evilpig> aestetix: I can see them doing that
08:06 <@Evilpig> I have to go into one of the secure rooms this morning because it is currently theorized that someone unplugged one of our external links yesterday
08:10 <@eryc> take pics of the nsa collection boxes while you're in there
08:11 <@Evilpig> you know I can't do that.  then I won't exist like they don't
08:19 <@Evilpig> https://github.com/alevchuk/vim-clutch/blob/master/README.md
08:19 <@Evilpig> LOL that is hilarious
08:24 <@Dolemite> That deserves a kickstarter more than the potato salad guy
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08:52 <@eryc> https://vine.co/v/M0g0qnd7d66
08:52 <@Evilpig> wtf
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09:56 < RangerZ> Dagmar: https://twitter.com/search?q=BlueLivesMatter
09:56 < RangerZ> I thought it was smurfs tired of Dagmar .... until I realized it was cops tired of Blacks thinking that they mattered
10:09 < dasunt> That's a comedic way of putting it.
10:12 < RangerZ> dasunt: I've got cops in the family, and was even part of the youth police academy, but I'm sicked by 1) actions 2) reactions of the cops recently
10:12 < aestetix> hahahhaah
10:12 < aestetix> blue lives matter
10:12 < aestetix> that's great
10:12 < aestetix> I assume it means smurfs
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10:12 < RangerZ> no
10:12 < RangerZ> cops
10:13 < aestetix> that needs to be trolled then
10:14 < RangerZ> for once... yeah... b/c when I heard the hashtag, the first thing I envisioned was smurfs
10:14 < RangerZ> lol
10:14 < aestetix> oh better yet
10:14 < aestetix> #greenlivesmatter
10:14 < aestetix> and have pictures of kermit
10:15 < aestetix> thank you internet
10:15 < aestetix> http://bluebuddies.com/gallery/Regular_Smurfs/jpg/20123_Policeman_Smurf_Variations.jpg
10:16 < aestetix> should I twittr this
10:16 < aestetix> I'm really happy to see the narrative becoming more inclusive: http://bluebuddies.com/gallery/Regular_Smurfs/jpg/20123_Policeman_Smurf_Variations.jpg #BlueLivesMatter
10:16  * Bahhumbug sighs
10:16 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: what's wrong?
10:16 < RangerZ> you need to add bluelivesmatter to it, else they won't see it
10:17 < aestetix> it is
10:17 < aestetix> I guess I need to rephrase it
10:17 < aestetix> "I'm really happy to see the #bluelivesmatter narrative"
10:17 < RangerZ> ohh
10:17 <@Bahhumbug> There needs to be a ratified PunchInTheFaceOverIP protocol.
10:18 < aestetix> RangerZ: I'm really happy to see the #BlueLivesMatter narrative becoming more inclusive: http://bluebuddies.com/gallery/Regular_Smurfs/jpg/20123_Policeman_Smurf_B.jpg
10:18 < aestetix> how's that
10:18 < RangerZ> if we're going to have him in the channel, we might as well focus him for 'less stupid' than he normally is... and this at least some political implications
10:19 < RangerZ> amusing
10:19 < RangerZ> http://images.moviefanatic.com/iu/t_full/v1364991209/avatar-blue-aliens-1.jpg
10:19 <@Bahhumbug> He's like a cockroach; he won't go away on his own.
10:19  * Bahhumbug &
10:20 < aestetix> Bahhumbug: *hug*
10:21  * Bahhumbug grinds aestetix underfoot like a roach
10:21 <@Bahhumbug> Stop highlighting me, twink.
10:23 < RangerZ> dasunt: if they had started using #AllLivesMatter, I would have backed them 100%
10:23 < RangerZ> but 'only' blue... :/
10:23 <@Evilpig> Fuck all the rest of you #OnlyMyLifeMatters
10:24 < RangerZ> no... #onlyYourBaconMeatMatters
10:25 < aestetix> man he really hates me
10:28 < RangerZ> b/c you are purposely a dick, and keep pinging him
10:29 < RangerZ> honestly, he takes it too personally, but you're a troll 1) in general 2) to him in particular, if you just stopped your asshatery towards him, you'd be better off
11:04 < dasunt> RangerZ: #BlueLivesandThosePowerfulEnoughToSueUsMatter
11:04 < RangerZ> :/
11:05 < dasunt> Of course that's a narrow generalization.  It forgets that lives that would make very bad PR if killed also matter.
11:05 < RangerZ> I still like people's reactions to the video of the white woman telling the cops off and telling them to GTFO basically because they were harrassing the black guy whocomes to clean their houses for the past 20 years
11:06 < RangerZ> black people were like ...wtf... how can she do that... why isn't she being shot...
11:06 < RangerZ> (they were in a really nice neighborhood, etc)
11:06 < RangerZ> and she was a laywer
11:06 < RangerZ> lool
11:11 < dasunt> Yep.  White, well dressed, female.  She's immune.
11:14 <@Evilpig> RAPE!
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11:25 <@shapr> good morning?
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11:55 <@shapr> I get weird Google results for "most muscular programmer".
11:55 <@shapr> I suddenly want to teach The Rock to write Python.
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12:13 < aestetix> http://theboldandthebeardiful.com/pages/67bodyodor.html
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12:22 < dasunt> shapr: The question is why you'd be searching for those terms in the first place.
12:23 <@shapr> The most muscular programmer is probably some capoeirista in Boston or Silicon Valley.
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12:25 <@SuMo_D> shapr you should totally teach the rock to write python
12:26 <@SuMo_D> he would do the best hour of code ever
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12:39 <@SuMo_D> so the shooting in Paris is about 4 blocks from where I used to live
12:39 <@SuMo_D> and about 8 blocks from our office
12:39 <@SuMo_D>  but just talked to them and they say they're ok... still... ugh
12:44  * aestetix hugs SuMo_D 
12:45 <@SuMo_D> thanks aestetix
12:45 <@SuMo_D> its like the Boston bombing all over again
12:45 <@SuMo_D> I used to live close to there too
12:46 <@SuMo_D> so many memories those places, and nobody really caring about that part of town and then .... terrorisim ... and they're in the spotlight its so weird....
12:46 < aestetix> https://www.varnish-cache.org/docs/trunk/phk/http20.html
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12:50 < RangerZ> be careful everyone... http://www.nydailynews.com/life-style/health/binge-drinking-kills-middle-aged-americans-cdc-article-1.2068738
12:55 < aestetix> what does "binge drinking" mean?
12:55 < aestetix> how much drinking
12:57 < sasquatc3> says in there, 5 drinks for a man
12:58 <@Dagmar> Phreaknic.
12:58 < sasquatc3> so it seems like stupid statistic to throw out in an article on alchohol poisoning
12:58 < sasquatc3> id call 5 drinks getting drunk though, not really binge unless i managed to do it all in an hour
13:06 < RangerZ> so they broke the ground on the high speed rail from SF to LA
13:06 < RangerZ> so yuppies can go visit guppies
13:07 < RangerZ> lol
13:07 < RangerZ> but I hope it turns out well
13:07 < RangerZ> so that my great great grandchildren can finally travel like they are in EU or JPN
13:09 <@shapr> neat, snow here
13:09 <@Dagmar> So you can put them on the train to be eaten by ghosts?
13:10 < RangerZ> thats Russia
13:16 <@Dolemite> Anybody remember offhand the wiki formatting for indenting?
13:16 < RangerZ> [i] ?
13:16 < RangerZ> ohh nvm
13:16 < RangerZ> thought you said italic
13:16 < RangerZ> : Single indent
13:16 < RangerZ> :: Double indent
13:16 < RangerZ> ::::: Multiple indent
13:17 < RangerZ> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Formatting
13:17 < RangerZ> and [i] is bbcode anyways*, lol
13:20 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: gamestop is having a skylanders sale on saturday in case you want to take the youngun to blow money
13:21 <@Dolemite> I may inform him of it
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13:22 <@Evilpig> Dolemite: form.e.gamestop.com/ats/msg.aspx?sg1=be0a7d2c6e0ce224458a8ef124db2e1e
13:32 < aestetix> so protip
13:33 < aestetix> if your company offers a bug bounty program, make sure there is someone who has the bandwidth to actually fix the bugs
13:35 < aestetix> or at least let the security guys reporting bugs know you're working on it
13:49 < aestetix> jesus
13:49 < aestetix> SuMo_D: I'm just catching up on the news
13:49 < aestetix> this is bad
13:51 <@SuMo_D> yep
13:52 <@SuMo_D> def not good...
13:52 <@SuMo_D> you know what I remember about that big avenue right next to where it happened? They used to have massive showings of Gendarme on a regular basis
13:52 <@SuMo_D> because it was close to Bastille
13:53 <@SuMo_D> the Gendarme are like the Italian Cabenare - basically national guard with giant machine guns and riot gear with authorization to shoot you on sight
13:57 <@SuMo_D> http://cache.20minutes.fr/photos/2013/02/07/strasbourg-06-02-2013-4484-diaporama.jpg
13:58 <@SuMo_D> basically that... for about a mile on occasion
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15:34 <@shapr> Dagmar: baby it's cold outside
15:35 <@Dagmar> I've got to go away
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16:35 < RangerZ> hehe spring semester ends 4/20... *chuckles likely the only person in here who has never done any drugs at all*
16:44 <@Evilpig> Dagmar: why go away?
16:47 <@Dagmar> Because lyrics.
17:01 <@Dagmar> The new mac keyboard is hilarious
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17:44 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: That wasn't a hoax?
18:20 < RangerZ> http://www.zdnet.com/article/macbook-air-revamp-rumored-to-drop-usb-magsafe-and-thunderbolt-ports/
18:20 < RangerZ> who would need "ports" on a laptop ;)
18:26 <@Evilpig> swapping esc with the power button is just evil
18:26 <@Evilpig> granted you have to hold the power button in on my air for it to do anything but still
18:27 < RangerZ> might as well swap it with the space bar
18:27 < RangerZ> jesus...
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18:28 <@Evilpig> I get to nap for two hours then I need to head back in for a surprise maintenance
18:32 < RangerZ> someone call Evilpig in ~1hr
18:41 < RangerZ> so.... All German Universities are now offering free tuition to all US Citizens...
18:41 < RangerZ> aestetix: there you go... no excuse to not get a degree
18:42 < aestetix> Well maybe germans won't have boring/stupid/useless degree programs
18:43 < aestetix> American universities are basically a breeding ground for syncophants
18:43 < aestetix> A forum for "discussion" in the form of slightly disagreeing
18:51 < RangerZ> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bthz4rOcwRk LOL
18:52 < RangerZ> Nike Confirms Back To The Future Power Laces Coming This Year
18:52 < RangerZ> aestetix: american _anything_ is a breeding ground for people having to learn how to play the game, otherwise they won't get ahead in life
18:53 < RangerZ> every industry, every culture, subculture, etc... has its rules
18:53 < RangerZ> most undergrad courses are about learning facts
18:54 < RangerZ> what you want is graduate level courses where you can straight out say that you don't agree with your professor and 1) have enough of a background to hold a valid discussion point on the topic 2) the prof will be (in most instances) interested in hearing it
19:26 < aestetix> I know plenty of facts.
19:27 < aestetix> Honestly I could just try to do a masters program or something
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21:15 < RangerZ> but you haven't proven that you are able to do college level work
21:15 < RangerZ> aka... you don't have a bachelors
21:16 < RangerZ> technically I don't think its a requirement, but you'd be hard pressed to find anyone with a masters without a bachelors
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21:58 < RangerZ> http://www.quora.com/Can-I-do-an-MBA-without-having-even-a-bachelors-degree yeah... people with MBAs without bachelors 'do exist'
21:58 < RangerZ> but MBA isn't real degree anwyays....
21:59 < RangerZ> lol (god I wish they didn't make more money than people with biology/physics degress, etc...)
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22:21 < RangerZ> so... Keureg(sp?) is coming out with a 'cold' version
22:21 < RangerZ> so basically SodaStream
22:21 < RangerZ> but it signed deals with Dr. Pepper (and I'm guessing the rest of the big cola/pop brands are coming quickly)
22:26 <@oddball> I'm guessing that it'l also have DRM?
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22:28 < _NSAKEY> oddball: As long as it's comically easy to crack DRM, does it really matter?
22:29 <@oddball> Isn't still technically illegal to defeat DRM... even if it's stupid simple?
22:30 < _NSAKEY> I think so, but what are they going to do about it?
22:30 <@Evilpig> throw you in jail
22:30 <@Evilpig> it's a matter of proof and it isn't that hard to do
22:30 <@Evilpig> it's more a question of if anyone wants to waste the time and money on hte effort
22:30 <@oddball> Then, I'm going to go with "yes, it still matters."
22:31 < _NSAKEY> If the MAFIAA couldn't get dvdjon to go to jail, some coffee machine maker that I never heard of before a month ago doesn't have a prayer.
22:31 <@Evilpig> look at the larger problme of them using DRM to maintain profit rather than protect content
22:31 < _NSAKEY> Still, going after your customers is suicidal.
22:32 <@Evilpig> how many youtube videos are out there now showing people defeating the drm on teh cups?
22:32 <@Evilpig> I call that exhibit a, I rest my case
22:32 < _NSAKEY> Evilpig: No idea. I don't even drink coffee, so it's irrelevant to me.
22:32 < _NSAKEY> I just don't see them suing people over it.
22:33 <@Evilpig> it's irrelevant to you now.  but imagine you're  alawyer and have a basic idea of how much money you can get awarded for a DMCA style claim for breaking DRM
22:33 <@Evilpig> $20,000 right?  it's worth it for you to scour youtube and find someone admitting to defeating it and grabbing the video as evidence
22:34  * oddball cues up the XKCD filk song "It's Fun to Violate the DMCA."
22:34 < _NSAKEY> It's a matter of whether they want the bad press or not.
22:35 <@Evilpig> get a large enough figure out there and you won't have any problem with getting them to say go ahead
22:35 < _NSAKEY> I agree with you in principle, I just don't see it as worth their time to crack down like that.
22:36 < _NSAKEY> They would go after the companies bypassing the DRM I think, not individual customers.
22:44 <@Evilpig> one lawyer to make the initial documents and document current abusers.  after that first court victory you just send a nasty letter to the rest demanding payment based on previous victory.
22:44 <@Evilpig> it's a license to print money while telling your cuntostomer they will pay you or else
22:45 <@Evilpig> it's working well for comcrap, etc with their data caps.
22:49 <@Evilpig> to non-techie folks comcast has managed to convince rubes that the datacaps are there to protect their experience from other users that are using more than their fair share
22:50 <@Evilpig> to the rest of us we know that's bullshit.  keurig just needs a great PR firm that can find their cause to make it palpable and they win
23:12 < _NSAKEY> Wait, there are people who actually believe comcast?
23:12 < _NSAKEY> Other than those getting bribed to believe them?
23:12 <@Evilpig> yes
23:13 < _NSAKEY> That's sad.
23:13 <@Evilpig> never underestimate the power of stupid
23:13 < _NSAKEY> The robot uprising that exterminates humanity can't come soon enough.
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