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00:16 < RangerZ> Dagmar: did you setup your military and make then drop all tools, etc and fight bare handed?
00:24 <@Dagmar> This is spring of year 2.
00:25 <@Dagmar> I think the goblins had one helmet and one breastplate and the usual crap weapons
00:25 <@Dagmar> My guys had their malachite swords and a few pieces of armor
00:25 <@Dagmar> Not one goblin dead
00:25 <@Dagmar> They'd spent half of fall and all of winter in training
00:26 <@Dagmar> ...or at least, my five "spare" gnomes did
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00:26 <@Dagmar> So yes, they were armed and lightly/sortof armored
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00:30 < RangerZ> wow
00:30 < RangerZ> nvm, thought you said year 1
00:31 < RangerZ> yeah... thats a bit much
00:31 <@Dagmar> It was the start of spring year 2
00:31 <@Dagmar> ...and yeah, three of them shouldn't be able to kill _everyone_
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00:41 <@Evilpig> i'll have to spin up a new game and try
00:41 <@Evilpig> my existing one is working fine
00:43 < RangerZ> i generally skip the bronze/malachite weapons/armor stage, and just have everyone 'way of the gnome' it until bronze
02:51 <@Dagmar> Neffi: Way to cut straight to the core of the matter
03:09 <@Dagmar> I figured it out
03:09 <@Dagmar> Build with cat turds.
03:10 <@Dagmar> I've actually been hitting stone and then bulding everything over with it.
03:11 <@Dagmar> ...and it wasn't helping that I was zerging the crafting tree, so by the spring of year 2, I'm usually making fancy gemmed necklaces
03:11 <@Dagmar> At a kingdom worth >10,000 already, the goblins being their A-list players
03:11 <@Dagmar> s/being/bring/
03:12 <@Dagmar> that appears to be precisely the wrong thing to do at that stage.... so... building everything out of cat turds now
03:13 <@Dagmar> I think I'll just stick with stone weapons for now.
03:14 <@Dagmar> Making weapons out of metal also lets the goblins boost up
03:14 <@Dagmar> One weapon.  No no.
03:15 <@Dagmar> Another contributing factor was me prospecting all the dirt
03:15 <@Dagmar> I wound up with a shitload of nearly useless tin bars
04:33 < RangerZ> ahh
04:43 < RangerZ> http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/01/01/nypd-asks-public-for-help-identifying-assault-suspect-turns-out-to-be-a-cop-video/
04:43 < RangerZ> because NYPD needed more 'good PR'
04:44 < RangerZ> .... at some point... you feel bad for them... they are horribly abusing their power because the only people who go into being a cop now are people who wanted to bust heads in the first place... but even they need a better PR manager...
04:44 < RangerZ> lol
04:46 < RangerZ> http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-nypds-work-stoppage-is-surreal-20141231?page=2
07:36 <@Dolemite> mr0ning, be0tches and h0ez!
08:11  * aestetix hugs Dolemite 
08:13 <@Dagmar> I think it's just insane.
08:13 <@Dagmar> Like, clinically insane.
08:13 <@Dagmar> "We're mad because you won't let us abuse the citizenry, so to get even, we're going to stop abusing the zitizenry."
08:14 <@Dagmar> Who knew that giving someone a scolding and a waggling finger could be so effective!
08:18 <@Dagmar> RangerZ: " One is an ongoing bitter argument about race and blame that won't be resolved in this country anytime soon, if ever"
08:18 <@Dagmar> Cue 347th chorus of "It's a class problem, not a race problem"
08:19 <@Dagmar> Not only are people battling a symptom of the problem, instead of the actual problem, the symptom is not one that can be cured anytime soon
08:19 <@Dagmar> Hence why the media repeating to drone on and on that it's a race problem, in lockstep with one another, is so deplorable
08:20 <@Dagmar> Keep everyone focused on the birdie and they'll never get anywhere on the actual problem and everyone who is in power, stays in power.
08:22 <@Dolemite> First Friday of the month.  First month of the year.  Too bad there aren't any other 2600 folks around here so that I could go to a meeting. :P
08:22 < aestetix> Dagmar: I think they care more about the ad impressions they are getting
08:23 < aestetix> Dolemite: what about jonnyx and anarchival?
08:23 <@Dolemite> Although I'm sure I could talk to the Knox Makers group about having meetings there.  Since we've got such a strong, community oriented maker group that's pretty much where all of the folks have migrated to.
08:23 <@Dolemite> aestetix: They are in Nashville.  I am not.
08:25 < aestetix> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0UZPm20BOw
08:25 < aestetix> that video shows that there are some really special people in the world
08:28 < aestetix> also how the hell does a woman not know she's pregnant right before giving birth
08:29 <@Dolemite> Sadly, a lot of women simply don't know even the basics about their bodies.
08:39 < aestetix> Also the dad in that video
08:39 < aestetix> it's just.... do you really think she's getting super fat in just a few months?
08:40 <@Dolemite> Well that's all a re-enactment
08:40 <@Dolemite> So none of the people in that video were the real people involved
08:41 < aestetix> well yes
08:41 < aestetix> so your'e suggesting it was not a faithful re-enactment?
08:41 <@Dolemite> It could be pretty close to the mark
08:42 <@Dolemite> But there are cases where chubby girls don't realize that they're pregnant and simply pop one out.  I knew of one in High School that was surprised as anybody that she was pregnant.
08:43 <@Dolemite> And I did know people in High School (yes, I grew up in the country) that thought you couldn't get pregnant if the girl was a virgin
08:43 < aestetix> She can't get pregnant. As long as she remains a virgin.
08:43 <@Dolemite> So thinking you can't get pregnant if you do it standing up isn't a stretch
08:44 <@Dolemite> Ok, pedantic ass, they thought that a girl couldn't get pregnant the first time she had sex
08:47 < aestetix> Evilpig: is your sister a ginger? Because I think I found a video of her
08:55 < aestetix> I guess you don't want to see it
09:16 <@Dolemite> I doubt he's even awake yet
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10:11 < Synx|hm_> happy new year everybody]
10:18 <@CRasH180> Happy New Year!
10:59 < aestetix> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Windows-10-Preview-Removes-Floppy-Disk-Drive-Support-468177.shtml
10:59 < aestetix> the best part is this drew enough blowback that they added in support
10:59 < aestetix> who the fuck uses floppies anymore
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12:02 < aestetix> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8811019
12:02 < aestetix> This explains why the crackdown on remote work in the bay area is happening.
12:02 < aestetix> Paul Graham likes it and a bunch of startups baiscally worship him as a god.
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12:25 <@Evilpig> I wonder how long it take for the tv db to update
12:26 <@Evilpig> I just added this so it wouldn't show up at tbd anymore.  http://thetvdb.com/?tab=episode&seriesid=259570&seasonid=603588&id=5076920&lid=7
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13:09 < RangerZ> https://vine.co/v/OwlizHpAtZM lol
13:09 < RangerZ> [When you're at the game with your side dude and realize you're on TV.]
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13:17 <@oddball> By the way: I'm probably not going to be at the meeting tonight.  Dementia's in town for Fred's funeral and we're going to hang out.
13:18 < aestetix> so when are you announcing the Ada Initiative as the PhreakNIC 19 keynote?
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13:26 < sasquatc4> oh /. with your monthly story on how theater attendance is down, no shit when people can watch at home on their own projector with picture and sound that is just as good as in a theater
13:27 < sasquatc4> especially when after some food it will cost 20/person
13:30 < _NSAKEY> Slashdot has barely been worth visiting since Taco retired.
13:31 < sasquatc4> yea, its just embedded in my daily morning routine of reading a couple forums and then scanning /. for anything interesting
13:32 < _NSAKEY> I know the feeling.
13:33 < _NSAKEY> Soylent News suffers from some of the same problems, but they're magnified a bit due to its small size.
13:34 < _NSAKEY> It seems to have around the same number of rabid anti-tor shills who come along and spread tinfoil across every tor story, for example.
13:37 <@Dagmar> oddball: Say heya to Sara for me
13:40 <@Evilpig> oddball: grope dem for me
14:18 <@Dagmar> So... someone roofied a friend of mine last night at a bar in Clarksville
14:19 <@Dagmar> So far, she's not talking about burning anyone to the ground, so that's good
14:19 <@Dagmar> She managed to get home with her mom (who she'd gone to a bar with) and started messaging me at about 4am
14:20 <@Dagmar> The $30 bar tab does not match up with how blisteringly hammered she was unless they were drinking shots of Clear Springs
14:20 <@Dagmar> I was sort of looking forward to maybe going out to pound someone into meat paste tonight.
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14:34 < RangerZ> oddball: well sorry to hear about your friend Fred, I'll be going, so i'll let you know what happens, etc.
14:44 <@northrup> Ugh... the VanderBabble just walked into JJ's... sweeet jesus I hope they leave
14:48 < RangerZ> say hi to dementia (I don't think I've met them in person, other than in here)
14:48 < RangerZ> northrup: whats YOUR definition of VanderBabble?
14:49 < RangerZ> b/c I might resemble that remark (or is it ...resent... ) lol
14:49 <@northrup> The Vanderbilt Students that come in and talk rather loudly about the rediculous petty bullshit that is their lives, while everyone else around them is working / reading / typing
14:50 < RangerZ> Also... I talked to the CS grad students that work near me, and a few might be intersted in coming to the meeting
14:50 < RangerZ> ohh thank god... I don't talk about something I don't have ... (a life) *goes to the corner to cry*
14:51 < RangerZ> lol
14:51 <@northrup> LOL
14:51 < RangerZ> but I've found that a lot of that isn't as much vandy as I thought it was too
14:51 < RangerZ> but belmont
14:51 < RangerZ> and the christian schools here
14:52 < RangerZ> lipscomb*
14:52 <@northrup> I used to work at VU, and I think the *most* rediculous conversation I ever overheard as far as Student Life went was a girl on her cell phone in the munchie mart talking to her fathter about how she'd blown through all the money that month on her VUCard, and yeah, another 1,000 bucks would cover her for this month.
14:53 <@northrup> RangerZ: but yes... each have their own flair of "wtf"
14:54 < RangerZ> northrup: what nationality was she? b/c some of the foreigners here are like that, or was she an american
14:54 <@northrup> the DLU kids that have been at DL from first grade through college couldn't find their way out of a wet paper bag, thise kids are fun to observe...
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14:54 < RangerZ> DLU?
14:55 <@northrup> RangerZ: She was american, this was in the early 2000's
14:55 <@northrup> DLU - David Lipscomb University
14:56 < RangerZ> ahh
14:56 < RangerZ> well there is your first problem
14:56 < RangerZ> you worked at Vandy and not as a 1)researcher 2)prof
14:56 < RangerZ> ;)
14:56 < RangerZ> hehe
14:57 < RangerZ> there is a Researcher I position up right now for 75k~85k
14:57 < RangerZ> (At ISIS)
14:58 <@northrup> the way things are going at Vandy, the only way I would ever come back is as part of academics, and even that is iffy...
14:58 < RangerZ> northrup: like I told Dagmar before he left, he should have applied to work as one of the dept's or research institute's techs
14:58 < RangerZ> they are outside VUIT
14:59 <@northrup> no doubt...
14:59 <@northrup> VUIT reminds me of the Orwell quote about the future
14:59 <@northrup> "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face—for ever."
15:00 < RangerZ> ehh
15:00 < RangerZ> I can't really speak about that
15:00 < RangerZ> but thats just IT in general when you have managers that 1) think they know what they are talking about 2) don't really
15:01 < RangerZ> ISIS or ISDE or medical, etc... know they know what they are talking about or know they DON'T know what they are talking about, lol
15:01 <@northrup> True... I think it also comes from a higher up tone as well, an institution that doens't value technology and technology resources, and see's it as a black / magical box for *someone else* to do
15:01 < RangerZ> I've found that kinda refreshing
15:02 < RangerZ> ISIS, etc... has people who _wrote_ the distributed systems we use, the load balancers, etc... so they know what they are talking about, but know that the tech has evolved since 1980
15:02 <@northrup> I like ISIS, I have friends there... but I fear ISIS' time is limited before the eye of Sauron turns upon them as well
15:02 < RangerZ> lol
15:03 < RangerZ> the ITAR _revolt_ of ~2010... has shown campus that they can't take ISIS lightly...
15:04 < RangerZ> w/e over 1/2 of your research faculty and staff engineers threaten to quit if the ITAR servers are taken out of the building and put in non-itar data center... you get your point across
15:04 < RangerZ> b/c the last prof to _go to jail_ for breaking ITAR _was from TN_
15:05 <@northrup> Heh... that's true.  I think that's how ISIS has lasted as long as it has an ACCRE hasn't in that sense
15:05 < RangerZ> http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-11-01/why-the-professor-went-to-prison
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15:08 < RangerZ> I'm not looking forward to graduating in 1.5~2 years or so
15:08 < RangerZ> _right_ in the middle of the GOP congress's war on science funding... that I KNOW is coming
15:09 < RangerZ> hopefully being able to say that the work we're doing has 'military' use... might help save 'us'
15:09 < RangerZ> but a LOT of research univ. are going to get hit hard(er than they already are)
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15:12 <@northrup> Yeah, I know... which is just sad
15:13 <@northrup> When the university went through the starting exercvises to split from VUMC... "education' was moved from 1st in the mission statement to ... wait for it... third...
15:15 <@Dagmar> It happened earlier than that
15:15 <@northrup> .. true
15:18 <@Dagmar> I've still got a picture of the Mission Statements that were on the walls at the Hill Center
15:24 <@benthemeek> I creating bio for notlarry on the website and need some memory help. He was president 2012 and 2013. Was he vice when Tilghman was president in 2011?
15:24 <@benthemeek> I cant remember for the life of me
15:25 <@benthemeek>  I figure Evilpig or someone else might know
15:26 <@northrup> Ah Dagmar... the Hill Center...
15:27 <@northrup> I moved from the Round Building in the middle of campus to the Hill Center in 1999 when we build the new data center for ACIS ;)
15:28 <@northrup> s/build/built/
15:33 <@northrup> ... damn, I'm old... LOL
15:44 < RangerZ> benthemeek: I think thats right
15:44 < RangerZ> northrup: I think thats right too.. you're all old
15:45 < RangerZ> ok... how 'fucked' is arch linux?
15:45 < RangerZ> I was just trying to help someone on it... and ifconfig and other command(s) aren't there
15:45 <@northrup> pepole still *use* that distro?
15:45 < RangerZ> northrup: we have a guy here who uses it and told a newbie to use it
15:46 < RangerZ> and i'm like... fuck that... just use ubuntu for your FIRST distro
15:46 < RangerZ> and then branch from there if you want
15:46 <@northrup> that's like the gentoo guy telling the newbie "shouldn't be a problem, just read the docs - you'll get it"
15:54 <@Dagmar> Total kingdom worth 4904.  Day 1 of Fall, Year 1.  Three goblins are once again wiping out my gnomes.
15:55 <@Dagmar> New population 5.  Deceased: 7.
15:57 < _NSAKEY> northrup: My experience is that Gentoo's best use is for trolling purposes.
15:57 < _NSAKEY> For example, I had to buy a $300 as an emergency for an office once.
15:57 < _NSAKEY> The Office Depot on Murfreesboro Rd tried hawking the "PC optimization" service.
15:58 < _NSAKEY> I asked the kid if since I'm a Gentoo user (I'm not), if that meant they would custom-compile everything for the box's exact hardware config.
15:58 <@northrup> LOL
15:58 < _NSAKEY> He made some noises, not actual words, and decided he had better hurry up and make the sale.
15:59 < _NSAKEY> His manager was really pissed off about that answer.
15:59 < _NSAKEY> I was told that if I had any problems, I couldn't get a refund.
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15:59 < _NSAKEY> What made it even better is that it was one of those terrible compaqs from ~2010 with a single core sempron and a max RAM capacity of 4 GB.
16:00 <@Dagmar> I'd have taken that money to a different store just for them trying to say that
16:00 < _NSAKEY> Dagmar: I wasn't buying it for me, and didn't have a choice.
16:00 <@Dagmar> Yeah but "I'm going to take your money, and if this turns out to be non-functional shite, tough luck" is not a way to do buisness.
16:00 < _NSAKEY> The person who made the judgement call was a real asshole, to the point that they would have tried getting me fired just for not coming back with that exact box from that exact store.
16:00 < _NSAKEY> They said I could exchange it, but it was the last one.
16:01 <@northrup> _NSAKEY: so loose / loose on that front
16:01 < _NSAKEY> As far as I know the box still runs just fine, or about as fine as some AMD sempron box that never should have been made can run.
16:02 <@northrup> jesus ... s/loose/lose/ ... and I haven't even been drinking...
16:02 < _NSAKEY> northrup: Yeah. The best part is that the toxic person in question was the one who would be stuck using it.
16:02 < _NSAKEY> I knew it was a turd, and was all too happy to dump it in their lap.
16:02 <@northrup> just.. falling asleep in my jacket (warm spaces and fat guys that work all hours = falls asleep in warm comfy places) LOL
16:03 < _NSAKEY> I haven't really gotten to troll about Gentoo since then.
16:03 <@northrup> The appeal of gentoo, custom compiled binaries for the hardware that you have is a sexy idea in thought... however almost *all* hardware these days is on the same instruction set
16:03 <@northrup> ... and processing power has gotten so cheap... that it's not worth the pain of being in emerge hell
16:04 < _NSAKEY> Although with Windows 10 around the corner, it might be a good idea to dust off one of the Geek Squad shirts I found in an auctioned storage unit and start telling random Best Buy customers that Gentoo is the best operating system ever.
16:04 <@northrup> or better yet just offering for 300 bucks to "speed boost" their computer
16:04 <@northrup> I love that awesome Geek Squad ripoff
16:05 < _NSAKEY> I love that at this point they're just a punchline.
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16:57 <@northrup> I think they've pretty much always been a punchline
17:05 <@NotLarry> wait, there is a meeting tonight isn't there.
17:05 <@NotLarry> ?
17:06 < _NSAKEY> NotLarry: That's what the calendar indicates.
17:06 <@NotLarry> Shite, someone died and I have to go to a service.
17:06 <@benthemeek> Same guy oddball mentioned?
17:06 <@NotLarry> I don't know.
17:07 <@benthemeek> The guy oddball knew sounds like he was a really cool guy. Wish I had had a chance to get to know him
17:11 <@NotLarry> no one I know.
17:15 < RangerZ> NotLarry: I'll be going, so I'll tell you what happens when the slacker secretary doesn't send out the meeting notes ;)
17:17 < RangerZ> lol
17:31 <@benthemeek> Dude
17:31 <@benthemeek> did i forget last month
17:31 <@benthemeek> ?
17:31 <@benthemeek> me goes to look
17:33 <@benthemeek> I sent em
17:33 <@benthemeek> phew
17:33 <@benthemeek> Dru has flu \
17:33 <@benthemeek> wont be there
17:37 <@Dagmar> That'll work for me
17:37 <@Dagmar> I wasn't really looking forward to even having to talk about "why the fuck are we compounding the problem by trying to have a second con?"
17:39 <@benthemeek> It sounds like it will be a pretty cozy little meetings
17:39 <@benthemeek> but that is okay
17:40 <@benthemeek> There isnt going to be a spring con unless some sponsors show up to pay for it. Of that I can assure you
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17:43 < RangerZ> so indigogo has a fixed funding model, we can/should just setup something like that, with different 'tiers' (if that have that)
17:44 <@NotLarry> RangerZ: ask about the money
17:45 < RangerZ> I plan to
17:45 < RangerZ> i'm just saying, there should be a funding model that isn't "where is a whale"
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23:22 <@Mirage> Evilpig: oink!
23:23 < _NSAKEY> At least you're not telling him to squeal...
23:25 <@Dickie> Hi
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23:36 < _NSAKEY> Hello.
23:56 < RangerZ> stop yelling in here
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