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03:47 < RangerZ> Happy New Years
03:47 < RangerZ> CRasH181: jesus man... You'd think you were on my network
03:47 < RangerZ> lol
03:48 < RangerZ> I'm wondering if your name would mutate into... Turk182.. if we left it alone long enough... lol
03:48 < RangerZ> (bad 80s comedy, but I like it because of its humor)
03:51 < RangerZ> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1103987/ anyone seen this? any good? Leverage was on TNT
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04:22 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: I watched the entire series twice. It's pretty good.
04:22 < _NSAKEY> Expect to roll your eyes at the technical scenes, but that's to be expected.
04:22 < RangerZ> ehh
04:22 < RangerZ> I don't mind that
04:23 < RangerZ> like the math in Numb3rs
04:23 < RangerZ> 'sure... what he said is 'somewhat' right...'
04:23 < RangerZ> but 'whipping it up' would take weeks and weeks, not the few hours he was suppose to have, etc
04:23 < _NSAKEY> It's less atrocious than Scorpion on that front.
04:23 < RangerZ> haven't seen it
04:24 < RangerZ> mostly the only US tv I watch is cable news
04:24 < _NSAKEY> If you watch the first couple of episodes of Leverage and don't like it, you won't like the rest of the series.
04:24 < _NSAKEY> The quality is pretty consistent throughout its run.
04:25 < RangerZ> I didn't even know what a "honey boo boo" was until they did a news story on her mom dating a child pedo or something... and then I looked it up... and a smart part of my childhood cried at what happened to The Learning Channel
04:25 < _NSAKEY> Leverage has that same sort of thing with the cons.
04:25 < _NSAKEY> There's one episode where they pull off a wire con in some ridiculously short amount of time.
04:26 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, all of those channels are garbage now.
04:26 < _NSAKEY> The Discovery Channel's the same way.
04:26 < RangerZ> history at least does 'somewhat' better
04:26 < RangerZ> (I'd flip it on when bored sometimes)
04:27 < RangerZ> back when I had cable TV for a little while myself, or when visiting home, etc
04:29 < RangerZ> I thought it was bad with 'the little people' or w/e it was called with the family of midgets
04:29 < RangerZ> but ugh...
04:34 < _NSAKEY> Does anyone here have experience with prosody?
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06:28 < aestetix> http://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/politics/2014/12/08/iowa-digital-smartphone-drivers-license/20114979/
06:34 < RangerZ> good fucking luck with that
06:35 < RangerZ> can't wait to see how many bouncers/etc accept it
06:35 < RangerZ> b/c you could sell a fake app for GOOD money
06:35 < RangerZ> "Need to make your age a few years younger or older?... Buy our app for 19.99"
06:36 < aestetix> who the hell is going to hand their phone over to a police officer and let them take it back to their car
06:37 < aestetix> I'm also curious if it caches things, or makes a call to the DMV api
06:37 < aestetix> Which means if you get pulled over and the API is down.... oh boy.
06:37 < RangerZ> it said 'vault'
06:37 < RangerZ> so I'm guessing it does have some storage on it
06:38 < aestetix> I'm also interested in what permissions it requires you to grant it
06:38 < RangerZ> on iphone, none
06:38 < RangerZ> lol
06:38 < RangerZ> do they even have permissions yet?
06:38 < RangerZ> << not a glib question, serious
06:38 < aestetix> uh
06:38 < aestetix> does that mean iphones grant full permissions by default?
06:38 < aestetix> becaue that would be law enforcement's wet dream
06:39 < RangerZ> they had no concept of 'permissions' in the first place
06:39 < aestetix> then how do you grant an app access to things like your contacts
06:39 < aestetix> does it just have that access automatically?
06:39 < RangerZ> "Only Notifications and Location Services require user permission, which is automatically asked to the user the very first time your application attempt to use the corresponding API."
06:40 < RangerZ> aestetix: you don't "grant" permission
06:40 < aestetix> oh god
06:40 < aestetix> so an app can access your contacts, SMS, call history, etc?
06:40 < RangerZ> no
06:40 < RangerZ> no public API for those ;)
06:40 < RangerZ> (actually thats not true eitehr...)
06:40 < RangerZ> but _this_ is why I've used android since it came out
06:40 < RangerZ> lol
06:41 < RangerZ> android DOES have permissions for all of these things
06:41 < RangerZ> iOS has added permissions over the years
06:41 < RangerZ> but I'm not sure what all it is up to now
06:42 < RangerZ> ....so it appears iOS 6 has added the feature to turn off access to your contacts
06:45 < RangerZ> but yeah... its a wet dream for cops, etc...
06:45 < RangerZ> I'm not against 'digital' version of the DL
06:46 < RangerZ> but... I'd rather have an isolated device that ONLY handles that, or have the ability to send a encrypted copy of my DL to the cop via NFC
06:47 < RangerZ> actually... I think thats a much better scenario... 'give' the cop your DL info, insurance info, registration, etc... all at once digitally
06:48 < RangerZ> and they can just look to see if you match your picture(and car) and the rest is handled digitally
06:54 < RangerZ> plus... then we can hack it (with rattle's help) to make Shadow404 wanted in 4 states for indecent acts with christmas blow up baloon santas
07:13 < aestetix> RangerZ: don't forget his "butt play barbie" collection
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07:25 < RangerZ> nah, thats legal in GA
07:25 < RangerZ> (might be why he lives there...)
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07:40 < RangerZ> so buying the PS Vita, and having a membership to PS+ has been the best thing for getting good games for 'free' (after PS+ membership)
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08:03 < RangerZ> so... I have legit question... how do you protect yourself against DDOS? if you were SONY/MSFT (who Lizard Squad took down on Xmas)
08:39 < aestetix> RangerZ: rate limiting... packet recognition.... ip range blocking.... have a bunch of servers....
08:40 < RangerZ> so nothing 'new' ?
08:40 < aestetix> not really
08:41 < aestetix> I mean it all depends on the threat model
08:41 < aestetix> IE is someone buying up a bunch of ec2 instances for this? Or is your attack coming from a work that infected a few thousand windows machines
08:42 < aestetix> You can also use nginx instead of apache which responds to GET requests way way way faster :p
08:44 < aestetix> speaking o which
08:44 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/iparedes/status/549963061713702912/photo/1
08:47 < RangerZ> i honestly have no clue how Playstation or Xbox Network 'actually' work
08:47 < RangerZ> but I'm thinking lizard squad just bought botnet access
08:48 < aestetix> I can also suggest SONY has *none* of the things I just mentioned :
08:48 < aestetix> :p
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08:50 < RangerZ> xbox has access to the azure network
08:50 < RangerZ> so I would HIGHLY bet they use that, or a clone of it
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09:01 < aestetix> http://www.npr.org/2014/12/29/372485968/transcript-president-obamas-full-npr-interview
09:04 < RangerZ> they released the video FYI
09:04 < RangerZ> they just cut it into two parts,
09:07 < aestetix> the video is included there
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09:45 < RangerZ> ok... so I'm looking to change linux distros and curious... is there one NOT switching to systemd?
09:45 < RangerZ> well... one _worth_ using
09:47 < aestetix> hahah
09:47 < aestetix> https://twitter.com/ElissaBeth/status/550659141866631168
09:49 < RangerZ> aestetix: yeah posted that a few days ago
09:49 < RangerZ> was making the rounds on facebook, lol
09:50 < aestetix> I figure it's fine, it's just a more nuanced interpretation of "play" doh ;)
09:53 < RangerZ> I really don't want to have to move to BSD... but it looks like every major distro other than gentoo/arch/slack is using systemD
09:54 < RangerZ> and I'm just waiting for the 0-day from hell to fuck every systemD system :/
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12:33 < aestetix> "I like my women like I like my hard drives: FAT, 16, and corrupted."
12:56 <@klixa> hmmm
12:56 <@klixa> i think if i were comparing women to hard drives, i would talk about the ultra slim ones in ultrabooks
12:57 <@klixa> speaking of those, most tech specs tend to not mention the thickness of a drive...i had to hunt down one because the leave it at 2.5 and very few mention whether its 7mm or 9mm
12:58 <@Evilpig> 2.5" drives are the only ones that have two thicknesses
12:58 <@Evilpig> 3.5" are all the same
13:13 <@Mirage> Don't forget Silent....
13:24 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: I seem to recall Arch switching to systemd, but I've never used it/don't know.
13:27 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: You could maybe look into a Gentoo child distro like Sabayon. They do systemd, but it doesn't appear to be the default. Source: https://www.sabayon.org/article/rolling-out-systemd
13:29 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: There's also the poorly named Debian fork (Devuan), but it's still early.
13:31 < _NSAKEY> RangerZ: I moved a server to FreeBSD just to get myself used to it. After changing the default shell from csh to sh, it's been pretty smooth sailing. You have to add some config lines to manage log rotation with packages like nginx, and for some reason nano breaks up some long lines which makes pasting config changes a pain. Other than that and some dir paths being under /usr/local/, it wasn't a bad switch.
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14:11 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: I'm used to using freebsd actually
14:12 < RangerZ> I used PC-BSD (freebsd child) for a while, and it was the nicest *nix I ever used, but I got out of *nix for a while... then I _had_ to use ubuntu for work...
14:12 < _NSAKEY> PC-BSD is nice, but in my playing around with it in a VM I found that the package manager could be a little weird.
14:13 < _NSAKEY> That being said, it shows a lot of promise as my next desktop.
14:15 < RangerZ> ports is nice, that it compiles the code 'for' your system
14:16 < RangerZ> PC-BSD's PIBs are basically the same as OSX's installation folders
14:16 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, I've read that. It's just that I've never used OS X.
14:16 < RangerZ> it installs every file you need, all dependencies, etc into a single folder, except things for linking
14:17 < RangerZ> so if you want to try something out, you can just install it, and be done with it
14:17 < _NSAKEY> Yeah, and you don't have to risk breaking deps for something else like with Debian.
14:17 < RangerZ> yeah
14:17 < _NSAKEY> Well, Debian with lots of apt-pinning.
14:18 < RangerZ> pbi* not pib*
14:19 < RangerZ> which of course... http://pbidir.com/ is slow as fuck/down right now... lol
14:19 < _NSAKEY> apt-pinning is ok if you're just wanting to use the newest version of iceweasel, but that's about it. Anything more complicated than that tends to lead to a rat's nest of dependencies and the only way forward is to start upgrading entire portions of the system with apt-get -t [branch] install.
14:19 < RangerZ> I never even bothered with all that
14:20 < _NSAKEY> I had to bother with it once.
14:20 < RangerZ> saw the big O of (fuck you) possibilities
14:20 < RangerZ> and said... nah
14:20 < RangerZ> hehe
14:20 < _NSAKEY> Debian squeeze didn't have a version of rtorrent that supported magnet links.
14:20 < _NSAKEY> apt-pinning to testing solved that.
14:20 < _NSAKEY> Testing became wheezy.
14:21 < _NSAKEY> Keep in mind, this was in 2011.
14:21 < _NSAKEY> 3 years later, the box was a horrible mess of dependencies that miraculously worked.
14:22 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: I have like 8 java JDKs installed on my machine....
14:22 < _NSAKEY> Finally I decided to just reinstall the vm since the provider now supports debian wheezy.
14:22 < RangerZ> like 12 android SDKs
14:22 < RangerZ> _rats nest_ ... I'm familiar with...
14:22 < _NSAKEY> I just never bothered looking at what they supported, because the vm didn't give me any trouble.
14:23 < _NSAKEY> They had a RAID array die last summer, and there went 622 days of uptime.
14:23 < _NSAKEY> That sounds terrible.
14:23 < RangerZ> http://www.pcbsd.org/en/download.html has .vdi(s) you can download
14:24 < _NSAKEY> This box has some nightmarish apt-pinning, but that's because I wanted USB 3.0 to work for longer than 10 seconds after logging in.
14:24 < _NSAKEY> It's still not perfect, but I don't actually use my USB 3.0 external that much.
14:24 < RangerZ> _NSAKEY: comparing official oracle JDKs to openJDK, version 6/7/8...
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14:24 < RangerZ> yeah... it sucks
14:24 < _NSAKEY> I already have PC-BSD in a vm, actually.
14:24 < RangerZ> ahh
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14:25 < _NSAKEY> I'm one of those people who will get the ISO and install it, even if a vdi is offered.
14:25 < RangerZ> I'm just downloading a bunch of ISOs, etc now at work
14:25 < RangerZ> to test stuff out later
14:25 < _NSAKEY> I like knowing what the installer's like before I actually have to deal with it.
14:25 < RangerZ> yeah
14:25 <@klixa> me too, i only get iso's
14:26 < RangerZ> klixa: I thought you only got pregnant...
14:26 < _NSAKEY> I reached a point with Debian in 2010 where I could set it up blindfolded.
14:26 < RangerZ> aren't you pregnant again?
14:26 <@klixa> RangerZ: yes, but that has nothing to do with my vm/iso habbits
14:26 < _NSAKEY> Just because I had done it so many times in VMs.
14:26 < RangerZ> lol.... ehh... I found it amusing, lol
14:27 < RangerZ> klixa: congrats btw, I didn't get to say it to you when I saw it in chat logs
14:27 <@klixa> you have a unique humor :)
14:27 < RangerZ> klixa: I know -_-
14:27 <@klixa> thanks RangerZ
14:27 <@klixa> and in other news i moved to Los Angeles
14:28 < RangerZ> ahh
14:28 < RangerZ> so LA is going to burn...
14:28 <@klixa> well, im not officially  mobed here just yet...in an extended stay motel looking for an apt
14:28 <@klixa> LA cant burn its raining
14:29 < RangerZ> klixa + my one friend out there ... is actually going to school again... ( Guess he realized being an underwear model wasn't a "career" job, lol)
14:30 <@klixa> careers re overrated... he should keep modelling underwear
14:31 < RangerZ> he's been successful at it for a while now... but it doesn't pay well and no health insurance
14:32 <@klixa> speaking of not paying well, i was reading about how much porn actors make per film...often its liek $300 or less
14:32 < RangerZ> same with my ex, she does modeling and now acting, and spending a week  as an extra in capt. america 2, and a week in batman v superman both paid more than 6mo modeling
14:32 <@klixa> i had a friend who was in tv shows here, and he only made $50 a day as an extra
14:33 <@klixa> he was in each show less than a minute, but he said hed send ALL day hanging out while they'd shoot a scene
14:34 < RangerZ> I was going to be an extra on Scrubs, but I couldn't make it out to LA when my friend was directing his eps
14:34 < RangerZ> "my friend" (really just a friend of the family), but still would have been fun
14:41 <@klixa> i have no desire to be filmed...
14:41 <@klixa> i used to be a photogaher, and i love taking pics but hate being in them
14:43 < RangerZ> yeah, I don't mind actually
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15:31 <@Shadow404> woot, s5 active in hand and activated
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20:40 <@Evilpig> http://www.kfvs12.com/story/27743875/police-fl-man-cuts-moms-head-off-to-keep-from-doing-chores
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23:36 <@Dagmar> SOmething's wonky in the combat/spawn code of Gnomoria again
23:37 <@Dagmar> Three goblins spawning in spring of year 2 shouldn't be able to wipe out the entire fortress
23:37 <@Dagmar> Three times attempted, three times, same shit
23:42 <@Dagmar> 21 gnomes versus _three_ goblins that last time.
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23:42 <@Dagmar> There's just no way this is supposed to be happening on "normal" difficulty
23:43 <@Dagmar> I'm just gonna wait for the next pub release before trying this again
23:51 <@Dagmar> Actually, I'mma roll that thing back
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